How much more powerful do you think the PS5 will be compared to the X1X?

Do you think it will be twice as powerful? Three times? More than three times? Or not much more powerful at all? I would think that Sony would want to future proof it so I'm thinking at least 2X. Now I know that there is a lot of speculation about when the system will be announced. I definitely don't think it will be this year, possibly next year. And that would be just a tease, so 2X more I think is acceptable. Your thoughts, SW? How much more powerful do you think the PS5 will be compared to X1X?

If it releases in 2020 as I expect it too then I expect 3x at minimum.

Although a part of me wishes Sony would just go back to completely custom chips like they used too.

It'll be 2021 mid tier mobile phone tech and released in 2022.

Im think 12 or 13 power. Maybe even as high as 15 but not 16. 16 would be to much power for people to handle.

Im thinking 14 is the perfect power sweet spot!

Personally I am quite content on what the PS4 can do right now and the exclusive games offering is well rewarded in it's own right. Sure higher resolution and higher fps are always a good thing but I do enjoy what I have now. Being the most powerful console doesn't always win, Xbox was powerful then PS2 but PS2 had lots of great games to back it up and PS4 continues to be the leading console despite X1X is the post powerful console.

How much powahful will the new XXX be compared to PS Jive? Lots' I tellz ya... Lots. lol :P

Imagine how pissed of owners of the shiny new 4K PSpro would be if the announce a PS5 next year that is twice as powerful and cheaper.

4Q

Also the OP is drivel.

depends on when it releases. i suspect sony is waiting for 7nm anyway.

overall i think we will see a slight change in philosophy. this gen its all been about lots of GPU power and buckets of ram. next gen i think they may put a bit more back into the CPU and have a smaller leap in ram quantity, relatively speaking. i think they wont set aside more than 6GB of ram for the OS either (which is still mad). i suspect they will try to go for around 24GB of ram available to games.

with ryzen now available (and possibly rysen 2 if the PS5 and co are not due for a while) we will probably see fewer but faster clocked CPU cores also. perhaps a 3core/6 thread setup but clocked around 3.5GHz. that would be a huge leap over what the X1X has. maybe a 4core/8 thread. whatever they can fit into the transistor budget.

the GPU is hard to call and is really a question of what they can get for a certain price point. the other issue is memory bandwidth which is a problem with AMDs current GPU architectures. they are really hungry for it. no point going all out on the GPU if memory bandwidth is causing the GPU to stall. thats just a waste of resources. perhaps its something AMD will have improved in by the time the PS5 is due though.

i think the overall objective for the PS5 will be to deliver a big leap in visual fidelity (texture quality, lighting, models etc.) at 4K and 30FPS for their own games. so itll be a case of asking their studios what the PS5 needs to do that.

LOL ?

No idea... I can't predict the future.

Maybe 8-10 tflops?

Xbox One X continues to stress the Sony fannies with their PS4 Pro.

2021:

16 cores 32 threads core cpu at ~2ghz, if they are cheap its going to be 12 core solution.

Ram, its a hard one. If they go with split pools i could see them go for a 16+8 setup. if they don't its 24-32. if they are cheap 16 is going to be the case on this department.

GPU wise it's going to sit at most likely 12-16 tflops. With 16 being the case if next generation gpu's are somewhat a push forwards.

2020:

12/24 core cpu system

16-32gb just on how far they want to push it

12 tflop gpu, i just don't see this getting upped much.

I think focus will be largerly on physx and cpu department.

But who knows really.

Towards the X a lot more specially as they are now capable to actually code for that console instead of being handicapped by the base console as every single game on xbox one x still has to run on xbox one. That will no longer be the solution.

So graphical jump will go upwards big time.

They're all waiting for 7nm so it won't be until 2020.

8 core 16 thread CPU clocked around 2.5 Ghz

16GB Gddr6

12 Tflop GPU

Anything more will be too expensive for casual consumers.

In terms of FLOPS, probably 2-3x.

Sony fangirls still butthurt X1x took a dump on their beloved PoS Pro

PS5 will be somewhere between 2 and 3 times more powerful than Xbox One X, as far as the GPU.

RAM will be at least twice as much, with more than double the memory bandwidth.

And that's not even counting the most important thing of all, the CPU. I'm not sure how many times more powerful it can be than the 8 core 2.3 GHz Jaguar in Xbox One X, but PS5 will certainly use 7nm Zen 2 and either 8core/8threads or 8c/16t, and won't be clocked less than 3.0 GHz.

The earliest PS5 could be released is Fall 2020, if not 2021. It's not coming out in 2019 that's for sure (See this month's NPD results).

@raugutcon: don’t think so buddy. Current console graphics kings only avaible on PS4. No smoke and mirrors or empty promises by a guy named Phil either.

Normally consoles would get GPU's in the RX 580/GTX 1060 price range but that would be a very small leap over the 1X, so they'll probably go for larger gpu's (think vega), assuming that they release in 2020 they have to pick a 2019 GPU and by that time realistically it will be 25-50 percent faster then vega 64.

On the cpu front it will use anywhere between a 4 core to 8 core ryzen, (6-8 being most likely but a 4 core would be a lot cheaper and could push higher frame-rates in some cases due to the increased clock speed so its a definity possibility)

The cpu's will have 0-15% better ipc then the current 2XXX ryzens, and will likely run at 2.5-2.8 Ghz to be able to work with console's tiny case and cooling solution.

So if they are using 2019 hardware it will be:

35% faster then a vega 64 on the gpu front

and on the CPU front it will be 26-35% slower then a non-overclocked 1800x if it has 8 cores in MC tasks.

If its using 2018 hardware which is also somewhat likely:

20-25% faster then vega 64

and on the cpu fron 33-38% slower then a non-overclocked 1800x if it has 8 cores in MC tasks.

These are my best case scenario estimates, but i really think sony can't cheap out on this or else it will be too close to the 1X, so expect a really expensive console (eps. since sony has the market lead)

What would be the benefit of that? What makes matters worse is that it makes it harder for the games to played generations on. The CELL is probably the main reason MGS4 isn't being ported anywhere compared to the rest of the series.

I don't think they're going to go mad with the CPU core count. I think one of the reason current gen consoles have 8 cores, is so they can spread out performance while keeping the clock speed down, lowering heat helping them to achieve their engineering APU aspirations. I bet they'd love to have a a straight quad core i5 in an ideal world.

Considering how weak the PS4 was at launch, I doubt it won't be much more than 1.5x the power of the x1x.

@ArchoNils2: That would be a waste of time as the Pro is close to what X1X can do.

I would say 4x more powerful at most.

Current gen consoles are still showing impressive results, to the point that basically every game looks great, so i don't think we need boosts of 16x more RAM or 10x faster GPUs like we used ro see in past gen jumps.

Oh i hope I'm wrong, it's just what I can see being the case. Especially now that they know they can get away selling the same system a bit stronger again

With the introduction of mid-gen upgrades, we've basically shifted the console space closer to the PC hardware model. Every revision, within and across brands, is going to be closer in power because it's more iterative. If the PS5 releases in 2020, it won't be as big a leap over the PS4 Pro as it will the PS4 (duh), but this also applies to its comparison with the X1X - it simply can't be that huge a leap. The new question consumers will be faced with isn't much different from what we deal with when it comes to GPUs:

"do I want to buy 'this year's new model' or should I wait another revision?"

That's not a bad question to have - it makes it more of an "upgrade when you're ready" situation than "upgrade now because the console manufacturer says you have to and is going to pull the rug out from under you".

I’d imagine that we will see a GPU that has about the same power as a 1070, with a higher clocked 8 thread cpu. Looking at the 1x you can see that the cpu is the bottleneck so if Sony added a gpu that’s just a little bit more powerful with a better cpu I think they’d have a nice size gap between the 1x and Ps5 while still being able to keep prices down. As for ram 16gb will do just fine, 6gb ddr4 paired with 10gb gddr5.

honestly does it really matter? Since the snes, only the ps4 has been the most powerful console to win and to be honest it's not even that more powerful than xbox 1.

The bigger questions is - is the ps5 going to continue to have amazing first party exclusives that will outsell the xbox?

ps1, ps2, wii, ps4 (now that the xbox 1 x is out)...

@boycie: i asure you it'll cost 599.99

Exactly 1.32239x.

This right here, simple detect hardware script runs before hand and the software select the appropriate settings given the hardware.

Until they move to a mature 7nm..... expecting VEGA 56/64 performance within a 150w envelope is not possible .

I don't think the PS5 will be anywhere as powerful as many of you guys suggest. If the PS5 is released in, say, 2020, then it will only be as powerful as a low-to-midrange PC in 2020 and cost 400 USD. Sony will try to copy the success of the PS4 and once again deliver underpowered hardware but it will sell like hotcakes.

Tech is in a strange spot right now. Because of prices and power right now, I dont even think $400 boxes with a substantial advantage over the Pro or X are realistic in 2020. We’re already 1/4 the way through 2018. Dev kits would need to be in a ballpark state right now. And there’s nothing Sony could put together right now that would be a generational leap, (an equal step from PS4 > Pro > PS5) that would be affordable to the masses with a reasonable TDP.

Would be lucky to be twice as strong at $399 in 2 years and even then games won't look vastly different between platforms much like now. Shit looks good enough now as is and most won't notice many of the added graphical embellishments that stronger hardware would allow. Hopefully the power of next gen is flexed on performance as well rather than just visuals as they impress less and less where as improved performance is always noticeable.

but i feel like they can't go with a GPU the size/TDP of the 580 either, because it would be way too close to the 1X's GPU performance.

Why are most of you throwing out specifications that DONT align with any future hardware that AMD plans on release in the next 5 years?...

If the PS5 comes out before 2020:

• Zen Raven Rigde APU/Laptop CPU with 4c/8t being its max and the TDP will have to be low since its a console so it being more than 2.4Ghz is slim. Unless they use two chips on one die to have 2x4cores/2x8t but the core clock would have to be lowered which would be bad for gaming performance.
• 7nm Vega 11 which is meant to replace RX 580 in terms of TDP and price ($200) GPU = 1.5-2x more power than Polaris
• 16GB GDDR6 Samsung

If its after 2020:

• Zen Picaso APU/Laptop CPU its based on Raven Ridge so its still 4c/8t
• 7nm Navi 150w GPU = 2-3x more power than Polaris
• 16GB GDDR6 Samsung

Unless they go with Nvidia, they literaly have nothing but what I posted to use since consoles have a TDP targets to work with. Its going to be a very dissapointing jump... from the X1X.

Also don't look at launch dates of destop parts, since consoles are hard locked in hardware targets 2 years before launch and start production a year before release dates, so a 2019 destop part would make it for a 2020+ console launch they wouldn't have the fabrication yields to reach a simultaneous launch.

Also people thinking Ryzen 2 a full blown destop CPU at 3GH'z and 8c/16t with a tdp of 105w will be in a console?... You guys need to edumacate your shelves.

Who cares? It will produce the same few limited/templated exclusives ... and be inferior multiplats to PC.

wont matter new Xbox will be out around same time and better.

Sony will attempt a PSV instead, like Metal Gear Solid V instead of 5, and it's going to take Vita's place. The head of Sony has experience with the mobile market and he's going to target Nintendo's Switch as the opponent. In other words: it'll be weaker than the Xbox One X.

If PS5 will use the next-gen GPUs that are coming, will be considerable more powerful. I would say 50% more.

Shocking twist, it’ll be weaker. Sony releases a hybrid like the Nintendo Switch.

1000 times!

2019, not dramatically more powerful. 2020, early ray tracing support will put it generationally ahead of the Scorpio.

If 7nm, then I expect 2-3x due to the process and architecture improvements.

I doubt Sony will opt for a system that needs more cooling, probably more like the original PS4 so 3x would be best case scenario probably closer to 2x.

@Valkeerie: lmao you have lost your mind.

One of the cooler prototypes I caught wind of was a design by which Sony could actually future specify the PS5 "Pro" by using a handheld in a dock as a co-processor to the PS5 in much the same way that Crossfire support runs across a PCIE lane/ Crossfire cable. Splitting the spec resources from the beginning of the generation rather than halfway through, and then making the "Pro" as an affordable option to people who are not interested in handheld gaming.

It's healthy sometimes :P

Sony PS5 will be 8tflop GPU, 12-16GB Gddr5, and a 4 core 8 thread cpu running 2.5-3ghz. That will make it 5x more raw tflop performance than PS4, almost 2x than PS4 Pro and more powerful than Xbox one x. People quoting 8 core, 16 thread 3.5 ghz Ryzen 2 cpu, 24GB ram and 12 tflops need to catch a grip, that’s easily £599+

Incremental upgrades going forward on consoles.

2020 somewhere between 2-3 times more powerful.