How much ram do you think 720/ps4 will have?

Predict what you think it will be.

I expect 4GB of GDDR5...

Also,just to remind you,Hermits,our DDR3 RAM sticks may be cheap,but that doesn't apply to consoles,so please,no "but RAM is very cheap" arguments...

Current consoles use Rambus XDR(PS3) and GDDR3(360),both of them are faster than most DDR3 RAM sticks we use in our PCs today,and obviously,more expensive...

PC architecture doesn't need too fast RAM to work properly,so things like PC3-12800 DDR3(1600Mhz) works perectly fine for us,but due to nature of the console architecture,RAM faster than that is required for optimal results,and is significally more expensive that most "regular" DDR3 sticks we use in our PC...

Also, i heard console ram is different because it doesnt power hungry windows. Is 4gb console memory equal to 6gb pc memory?reach3

Not really,console RAM is only significally faster than PC RAM,since integrated console GPUs and CPUs require much higher speeds than discrete PC counterparts...

How much do we need for 1080P games? Or does Ram not have anything to do with that?

How much do we need for 1080P games? Or does Ram not have anything to do with that?

crimsonman1245

Anything less than 2GB is pathetic, 4GB seems to me the sweet spot for a console to target in today's market.

Anything less than 2GB is pathetic, 4GB seems to me the sweet spot for a console to target in today's market.

Basinboy

2-4gb

Enough to save gaming

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

How much do we need for 1080P games? Or does Ram not have anything to do with that?

reach3

1GB. 2GB max.

Considering my PC at the time was running Windows XP with 1GB when the XB360 launched.

2gb I bet. They'll cut costs anywhere, and probably repeat this gen's memory problems

4

2gb I bet. They'll cut costs anywhere, and probably repeat this gen's memory problems

wis3boi

Dear Lord I hope not. Skyrim and Fallout are unplayable on the ps3 so you'd think they would learn from their mistakes.

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

How much do we need for 1080P games? Or does Ram not have anything to do with that?

reach3

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

2gb I bet. They'll cut costs anywhere, and probably repeat this gen's memory problems

Boddicker

Dear Lord I hope not. Skyrim and Fallout are unplayable on the ps3 so you'd think they would learn from their mistakes.

They probably also don't want to sell "powerful" consoles at a loss for three years straight again, but that's me guessing

I'd hope for 4, but I'm always disappointed by total RAM each gen,so I can definitely see 2santoron

All release are NA

NES
2KB x64
October 18, 1985

SNES * gen start
128KB x32
August 23, 1991

N64 * mid-gen
4MB (8mb expansion) x11
September 29, 1996

GC * mid-gen
43MB x 2
November 18, 2001

Wii
88MB
November 19, 2006

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PSX * gen start
2MB x 16
September 9, 1995

PS2 * gen start
32MB x 16
October 26, 2000

PS3
512MB
November 11, 2006

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Xbox * mid-gen
64MB x 8
November 15, 2001

X360 * gen start
512MB
November 16, 2005

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Average increase (since 1991) is 16x more ram from gen start, mid-gen have ~2x the gen start ram, and Nintendo is damn inconsistent and halted any form of normal progress at the Wii.

720/PS4 should have, if they keep up the trend 8192MB of ram. Anyless is skimping.

And I think the reason people think 2gb is so likely is because we don't buy 300-400$ in ram anymore which can buy you 64gb today. Also, a few 'modern' games are able to push past that(2gb), and would be a travesty if Sony/MS went that low.

Current rumors are that Orbis/PS4 will have 2GB or GDDR5; potentially 4GB; while Durango/720 will have 8GB of DDR3.

[QUOTE="santoron"]I'd hope for 4, but I'm always disappointed by total RAM each gen,so I can definitely see 2reach3

[QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

How much do we need for 1080P games? Or does Ram not have anything to do with that?

reach3

No it doesn't dumb dumb

[QUOTE="reach3"][QUOTE="crimsonman1245"]

How much do we need for 1080P games? Or does Ram not have anything to do with that?

BPoole96

No it doesn't dumb dumb

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="reach3"] ram effects it big timereach3

No it doesn't dumb dumb

Unless they're using MSAA(which they don't use much anymore MLAA/FXAA instead), the resolution isn't the main squeeze on the ram.

They cut pixels to cut on render time per frame, not to cut on RAM cost. 'Texture' resolution is lowered for the sake of ram.

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="reach3"] ram effects it big timereach3

No it doesn't dumb dumb

You're thinking of VRAM you silly goose

[QUOTE="reach3"][QUOTE="BPoole96"]

No it doesn't dumb dumb

BPoole96

You're thinking of VRAM you silly goose

Wtf, you're both just plain wrong.

They drop the resolution so they can get more FPS, not so they can save RAM (of any kind)

The difference between a game(this case SC2) at a resolution of 1200x900~ (1080000 pixels) and 1920x1080 (2073600) is only 570MB and 610MB respectively, doubling the pixels and there's not a big ram saving, but there's a noticeable performance increase.

(I play SC2 windowed 'cause I have a giant monitor(32" is giant in my mind) and it's hard for me to play a game where I need to look at so much of the screen when full-screened)

4gb ram i think wholesale is supposed to drop to several dollars in the coming years so why not

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="reach3"] ya it does. if current consoles had more ram, they dev wouldn't have to drop the resolution to sub hd for better performance dumb dumbInconsistancy

You're thinking of VRAM you silly goose

Wtf, you're both just plain wrong.

They drop the resolution so they can get more FPS, not so they can save RAM (of any kind)

The difference between a game(this case SC2) at a resolution of 1200x900~ (1080000 pixels) and 1920x1080 (2073600) is only 570MB and 610MB respectively, doubling the pixels and there's not a big ram saving, but there's a noticeable performance increase.

(I play SC2 windowed 'cause I have a giant monitor(32" is giant in my mind) and it's hard for me to play a game where I need to look at so much of the screen when full-screened)

Then why do GPUs with more VRAM handle higher resolutions better?

I expect 4GB of GDDR5...

Also,just to remind you,Hermits,our DDR3 RAM sticks may be cheap,but that doesn't apply to consoles,so please,no "but RAM is very cheap" arguments...

Current consoles use Rambus XDR(PS3) and GDDR3(360),both of them are faster than most DDR3 RAM sticks we use in our PCs today,and obviously,more expensive...

PC architecture doesn't need too fast RAM to work properly,so things like PC3-12800 DDR3(1600Mhz) works perectly fine for us,but due to nature of the console architecture,RAM faster than that is required for optimal results,and is significally more expensive that most "regular" DDR3 sticks we use in our PC...

Rocker6

The difference between PC ram and 360 ram, is that the 360 combines RAM and VRAM. All gaming PC's have a deticated graphics card(or video random access memory), and deticated RAM. The xbox has a small ammount of vram that is used for everything. The ps3 uses deticated vram like a pc, and has the basic equivilent of ddr2 ram along with GDDR4 for video processes.

Yes the console architecture is desiged to be effective with less RAM. Windows is a RAM hog, but hopefuly future windows will take up less processing power and RAM (not talking about windows 8, we don't talk aout that crap here). I prefer the ps3 design myself with the deticated video RAM, but microsoft already knows what they want. Haven't heard any specs on it tho so anything is possible.

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

You're thinking of VRAM you silly goose

BPoole96

Wtf, you're both just plain wrong.

They drop the resolution so they can get more FPS, not so they can save RAM (of any kind)

The difference between a game(this case SC2) at a resolution of 1200x900~ (1080000 pixels) and 1920x1080 (2073600) is only 570MB and 610MB respectively, doubling the pixels and there's not a big ram saving, but there's a noticeable performance increase.

(I play SC2 windowed 'cause I have a giant monitor(32" is giant in my mind) and it's hard for me to play a game where I need to look at so much of the screen when full-screened)

Then why do GPUs with more VRAM handle higher resolutions better?

Because he doesn't know that resolution applies only to VRAM, not basic RAM :P

[QUOTE="BPoole96"]

[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"]

Wtf, you're both just plain wrong.

They drop the resolution so they can get more FPS, not so they can save RAM (of any kind)

The difference between a game(this case SC2) at a resolution of 1200x900~ (1080000 pixels) and 1920x1080 (2073600) is only 570MB and 610MB respectively, doubling the pixels and there's not a big ram saving, but there's a noticeable performance increase.

(I play SC2 windowed 'cause I have a giant monitor(32" is giant in my mind) and it's hard for me to play a game where I need to look at so much of the screen when full-screened)

wis3boi

Then why do GPUs with more VRAM handle higher resolutions better?

Because he doesn't know that resolution applies only to VRAM, not basic RAM :P

These are in-game.

Over 9,000.

Minimum 2GB

Maximum 4GB

[QUOTE="Rocker6"]

I expect 4GB of GDDR5...

Also,just to remind you,Hermits,our DDR3 RAM sticks may be cheap,but that doesn't apply to consoles,so please,no "but RAM is very cheap" arguments...

Current consoles use Rambus XDR(PS3) and GDDR3(360),both of them are faster than most DDR3 RAM sticks we use in our PCs today,and obviously,more expensive...

PC architecture doesn't need too fast RAM to work properly,so things like PC3-12800 DDR3(1600Mhz) works perectly fine for us,but due to nature of the console architecture,RAM faster than that is required for optimal results,and is significally more expensive that most "regular" DDR3 sticks we use in our PC...

Flavorysoup

The difference between PC ram and 360 ram, is that the 360 combines RAM and VRAM. All gaming PC's have a deticated graphics card(or video random access memory), and deticated RAM. The xbox has a small ammount of vram that is used for everything. The ps3 uses deticated vram like a pc, and has the basic equivilent of ddr2 ram along with GDDR4 for video processes.

Yes the console architecture is desiged to be effective with less RAM. Windows is a RAM hog, but hopefuly future windows will take up less processing power and RAM (not talking about windows 8, we don't talk aout that crap here). I prefer the ps3 design myself with the deticated video RAM, but microsoft already knows what they want. Haven't heard any specs on it tho so anything is possible.

Yes,I know of unified 360 RAM,and split PS3 RAM architectures,but you made some mistakes in the rest of your post...

PS3's XDR is MUCH faster than DDR2 RAM(and most DDR3 sticks too),because Cell requires much larger memory bandwith then PC CPUs,so they're NOT equivalent to each other,and instead of GDDR4,PS3 uses GDDR3 VRAM...

GDDR4 barely ever existed on the market,very few GPUs ever used it,so basically,we jumped from GDDR3 directly to GDDR5 when it comes to VRAM...

2gb or less, nextbox is all about kinect games, not a lot of ram is required.