How naive are Microsoft to think that they can get away with everything?

Microsoft thinks that just because that they've been successful (or mildly successful) for one console generation (this console generation), means that they can act all cocky & think that their consumers are dumb enough to keep tolerating their bull****. How naive are they? They've just been starting to be relevant in the gaming industry due to Sony's screw-ups this gen. Heck, even Robbie Bach admitted it:

Link.

At least Sony had a relevant reason to be cocky with the PS3 after they won big with the PS1 & the PS2. Microsoft doesn't. They aren't Sony with the PS brand, & MS could easily lose it in a blink of an eye & go back to irrelevancy before the PS2/GC/Xbox 1 era. The Xbox brand may be strong now, but the Playstation brand is still stronger than it.

Sony is justice this gen, and justice always prevails.

Microsoft thinks that just because that they've been successful (or mildly successful) for one console generation (this console generation), means that they can act all cocky & think that their consumers are dumb enough to keep tolerating their bull****. How naive are they? They've just been starting to be relevant in the gaming industry due to Sony's screw-ups this gen. Heck, even Robbie Bach admitted it:

Link.

At least Sony had a relevant reason to be cocky with the PS3 after they won big with the PS1 & the PS2. Microsoft doesn't. They aren't Sony with the PS brand, & MS could easily lose it in a blink of an eye & go back to irrelevancy before the PS2/GC/Xbox 1 era. The Xbox brand may be strong now, but the Playstation brand is still stronger than it.

Shinobi120

I agree for the most part.  However, the fact that MS is backing Xbox makes me think they won't give up easy even if they start pulling big loses. 

oh, so now the herd is outraged by hubris.

i remember a day when you dudes loved that shyt.

next gen starts when we say it does was a sw battlecry for years.

at least they admit it even if the article's from last year. Let's just hope for the best.

Every word in your post is true. The hundreds of millions they will spend on marketing and 3rd party deals will make the XBone a success though.Floppy_Jim

LOL sorry floppy but its crap like that that makes me laugh. MS are successful, and suddenly its just because of money and marketing?  I know theres some truth to what you say - Microsoft have been very good at marketing. But you still need a quality product to market. Consumers can be influenced, but they aren't braindead.

Nobody can say the Xbox One isn't an impressive device. Of course it hasn't catered to core gamers (yet) hence the backlash (not to mention the total mishandling of policies surrounding ownership and all that - the reveal was a disaster really). But what it does do is pretty impressive.

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Every word in your post is true. The hundreds of millions they will spend on marketing and 3rd party deals will make the XBone a success though.RR360DD

LOL sorry floppy but its crap like that that makes me laugh. MS are successful, and suddenly its just because of money and marketing?  I know theres some truth to what you say - Microsoft have been very good at marketing. But you still need a quality product to market. Consumers can be influenced, but they aren't braindead.

Nobody can say the Xbox One isn't an impressive device. Of course it hasn't catered to core gamers (yet) hence the backlash (not to mention the total mishandling of policies surrounding ownership and all that - the reveal was a disaster really). But what it does do is pretty impressive.

Why do you think  it's impressive? 

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[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Every word in your post is true. The hundreds of millions they will spend on marketing and 3rd party deals will make the XBone a success though.Chutebox

LOL sorry floppy but its crap like that that makes me laugh. MS are successful, and suddenly its just because of money and marketing?  I know theres some truth to what you say - Microsoft have been very good at marketing. But you still need a quality product to market. Consumers can be influenced, but they aren't braindead.

Nobody can say the Xbox One isn't an impressive device. Of course it hasn't catered to core gamers (yet) hence the backlash (not to mention the total mishandling of policies surrounding ownership and all that - the reveal was a disaster really). But what it does do is pretty impressive.

Why do you think  it's impressive? 

Because the stuff it could do on an OS level looked pretty neat to me. The controller looks awesome. And the upgrade to XBL with 300 thousand servers meaning dedicated servers for all games (not sure if thats confirmed) and their new matchmaking technology.

Thats whats most important to me. How the online play works. So far we know that from Microsoft. Sony haven't said anything about PSN in that regard.

Microsoft isn't cocky they are about money. The One has the potential to make them a lot of money. You are only looking at this from a gamers perspective which is understandable. From a business perspective the One isn't really a bad idea. They still need to execute it but you can easily see where they are trying to go with it. I just hope they get the games part right because everything else about the console is pretty sweet.NFJSupreme

I still haven't forgiven Microsoft for the failure rate of early and mid gen 360s.

I moved to PC in 2010, but I *might* pick up a ps4 down the road if there is any backwards compatibility (I haven't even touched the ps3 library). I don't need social media and streaming services in every piece of hardware I own. I only watch a few tv series and the occasional movie. HD camera in my living room that can identify people and listen to them? f*ck no. It's even worse if it records you automatically or keeps logs.

By 2015/2016, 4k displays will likely be the equivalent of 1440p monitors right now, and so us pc gamers will again enjoy vastly superior resolutions and frame rates.

What is really keeping me glued to pc is how the XB1/PS4 share similar hardware and that it's very close to what PCs have. I have a feeling that consoles will be noticably inferior right out of the gate this time. And because both systems will use blu ray, this means all around better games assets (I'm hoping pc will finally get decent textures in games).

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LOL sorry floppy but its crap like that that makes me laugh. MS are successful, and suddenly its just because of money and marketing?  I know theres some truth to what you say - Microsoft have been very good at marketing. But you still need a quality product to market. Consumers can be influenced, but they aren't braindead.

Nobody can say the Xbox One isn't an impressive device. Of course it hasn't catered to core gamers (yet) hence the backlash (not to mention the total mishandling of policies surrounding ownership and all that - the reveal was a disaster really). But what it does do is pretty impressive.

RR360DD

Why do you think  it's impressive? 

Because the stuff it could do on an OS level looked pretty neat to me. The controller looks awesome. And the upgrade to XBL with 300 thousand servers meaning dedicated servers for all games (not sure if thats confirmed) and their new matchmaking technology.

Thats whats most important to me. How the online play works. So far we know that from Microsoft. Sony haven't said anything about PSN in that regard.

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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

Why do you think  it's impressive? 

Chutebox

Because the stuff it could do on an OS level looked pretty neat to me. The controller looks awesome. And the upgrade to XBL with 300 thousand servers meaning dedicated servers for all games (not sure if thats confirmed) and their new matchmaking technology.

Thats whats most important to me. How the online play works. So far we know that from Microsoft. Sony haven't said anything about PSN in that regard.

Theres loads of articles about it http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-21-the-xbox-one-controller-still-takes-batteries-but-has-programmable-trigger-feedback

But basically they've made it even more comfortable, the triggers now have their own feedback, D pads improved, no deadzone in analogue sticks

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Every word in your post is true. The hundreds of millions they will spend on marketing and 3rd party deals will make the XBone a success though.RR360DD

LOL sorry floppy but its crap like that that makes me laugh. MS are successful, and suddenly its just because of money and marketing?  I know theres some truth to what you say - Microsoft have been very good at marketing. But you still need a quality product to market. Consumers can be influenced, but they aren't braindead.

Nobody can say the Xbox One isn't an impressive device. Of course it hasn't catered to core gamers (yet) hence the backlash (not to mention the total mishandling of policies surrounding ownership and all that - the reveal was a disaster really). But what it does do is pretty impressive.

Not just that, no. Besides Sony have done just the same; they financially outmuscled Sega with bigger marketing, made big 3rd party deals (GTA III timed) and so on.

Fanboy at it's finest! 

make some THINK you are the best. They hold your pocket all day, all night, all life time

Fanboy at it's finest!k2theswiss

How am I a fanboy for speaking the truth? 

I wonder if Microsoft expected this kind of backlash

[QUOTE="NFJSupreme"]Microsoft isn't cocky they are about money. The One has the potential to make them a lot of money. You are only looking at this from a gamers perspective which is understandable. From a business perspective the One isn't really a bad idea. They still need to execute it but you can easily see where they are trying to go with it. I just hope they get the games part right because everything else about the console is pretty sweet.JamDev

They already do and seem to love it.  Steam is all of these things.  And heavily defended by gamers.

[QUOTE="JamDev"][QUOTE="NFJSupreme"]Microsoft isn't cocky they are about money. The One has the potential to make them a lot of money. You are only looking at this from a gamers perspective which is understandable. From a business perspective the One isn't really a bad idea. They still need to execute it but you can easily see where they are trying to go with it. I just hope they get the games part right because everything else about the console is pretty sweet.FPSfan1985

They already do and seem to love it.  Steam is all of these things.  And heavily defended by gamers.

[QUOTE="k2theswiss"]Fanboy at it's finest!Shinobi120

How am I a fanboy for speaking the truth? 

Oh please enough. Do you think they are just sitting here making these decisions to be like, "Oh ya we are going to screw everyone this gen fo sure!" Listen to what you are saying. Clearly a lot of what they showed was to get casuals and the like excited. At the end of the day this is a business. I know that is hard for people to understand, but thats what it is. They spend millions upon millions if not a billion to get a console out on the market and shareholders hate it. They have to do something to please shareholders. They need to make money and what better way to do it then do it the way they are doing it. If they came out and showed a bunch of games that got all hardcore people on this forum excited it sure as hell wouldn't do much for the other part that is probably bigger in numbers, the casual market. Yes of course from a hardcore or a long time gamer its disappointing that they did not come out with anything that go you excited. BUT it is still early and clearly this was just to show something, anything, and really it was more of a response to Sony's from a few months ago. Lets wait and see what happens instead of just ragging on it. I guarantee half the posers in here that are ragging on the crap that MS is doing they are going to be the first ones to be using said features.

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[QUOTE="JamDev"] I can see MS's thinking, but they are making a mistake. You need to get the gamers on board first, no-one is going to be queuing up to pay $500 for a glorified remote control. The added functionality can be a selling point if you match your competitors products, but gamers won't accept inferior games, restrictive DRM, limits on how they can buy and sell their games, arbitrary paywalls and so on just for the sake of using motion controls to change channel. It will interesting to see how a games console that focuses on everything but games will sell, I think MS have badly underestimated the gamer market and wildly over-estimated the media box market.JamDev

They already do and seem to love it.  Steam is all of these things.  And heavily defended by gamers.

If you really think about it think about it naivety & arrogant are the two words to best describe their thinking.

They have only been involved in console gaming for two gens(and only home systems, unlike competitors) and have come in 2nd & 3rd in sales for those respected generations.

This move(s) are straight up Apple, where they are trying to use monopolistic weight of their company in the field to direct the industry in their favor.

However, as I noted, they are not a monopoly. They are by far not the Apple of gaming & in terms of investment/stake in the industry have the weakest footing of the big 3.

The only way I can see them thinking they could pull this off is if they focus almost exclusively on the US market which would put them at a significant disadvantage in the modern global economy.

I imagine the amount of money they made just off of XBL subscriptions played a large part.

Every word in your post is true. The hundreds of millions they will spend on marketing and 3rd party deals will make the XBone a success though.Floppy_Jim

I guess it had nothing to do with Sony's crappy marketing. 

I imagine the amount of money they made just off of XBL subscriptions played a large part.

catfishmoon23

MS are trying to sell a gaming console with gimmicks, NFL,Kinect, and the TV playback stuff. And they talked so much about exclusive content, and that just leads me to believe they dont have the games one would expect to sell this system. Like say Halo, or gears, and maybe even muliplats are not ready to be reveald yet. Also there shouldn't have been a confusion on how a game is linked to your account. Just makes you look like your trying to hide something. Things may get better at E3, but only if they show actual gameplay from games people want to see. Games from Epic, or 343, and turn 10. 

They are just as naive as Sony when announcing the PS3 at 599 US dollars, with arogant claims how the first five million will buy it no matter if it has games or support of any kind.

Dat Third Console Curse yo.

Microsoft thinks they can emulate Nintendo's strategy by aiming for the casual market. They don't care about core gamers anymore because that audience didn't put the Xbox 360 over the Wii this gen. princeofshapeir

We don;t know most of the details about the console yet.

Microsoft isn't cocky they are about money. The One has the potential to make them a lot of money. You are only looking at this from a gamers perspective which is understandable. From a business perspective the One isn't really a bad idea. They still need to execute it but you can easily see where they are trying to go with it. I just hope they get the games part right because everything else about the console is pretty sweet.NFJSupreme

[QUOTE="JamDev"][QUOTE="FPSfan1985"]

 

They already do and seem to love it.  Steam is all of these things.  And heavily defended by gamers.

FPSfan1985

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="RR360DD"]

Because the stuff it could do on an OS level looked pretty neat to me. The controller looks awesome. And the upgrade to XBL with 300 thousand servers meaning dedicated servers for all games (not sure if thats confirmed) and their new matchmaking technology.

Thats whats most important to me. How the online play works. So far we know that from Microsoft. Sony haven't said anything about PSN in that regard.

RR360DD

Theres loads of articles about it http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-05-21-the-xbox-one-controller-still-takes-batteries-but-has-programmable-trigger-feedback

But basically they've made it even more comfortable, the triggers now have their own feedback, D pads improved, no deadzone in analogue sticks

Be ready for the most colossal fvck up of this generation. I don't know what the fk was Nintendo thinking with their WiiU and if MS was thinking at all is another mystery.silversix_

Microsoft thinks that just because that they've been successful (or mildly successful) for one console generation (this console generation), means that they can act all cocky & think that their consumers are dumb enough to keep tolerating their bull****. How naive are they? They've just been starting to be relevant in the gaming industry due to Sony's screw-ups this gen. Heck, even Robbie Bach admitted it:

Link.

At least Sony had a relevant reason to be cocky with the PS3 after they won big with the PS1 & the PS2. Microsoft doesn't. They aren't Sony with the PS brand, & MS could easily lose it in a blink of an eye & go back to irrelevancy before the PS2/GC/Xbox 1 era. The Xbox brand may be strong now, but the Playstation brand is still stronger than it.

Shinobi120

Ahh... the butthurt. You all are real jelly over the XBox One.

I kinda feel MS is actually going after Apple and google consumers opposed to the gaming market. This will be there undoing 

I kinda feel MS is actually going after Apple and google consumers opposed to the gaming market. This will be there undoing 

guard12

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Every word in your post is true. The hundreds of millions they will spend on marketing and 3rd party deals will make the XBone a success though.RR360DD

LOL sorry floppy but its crap like that that makes me laugh. MS are successful, and suddenly its just because of money and marketing?  I know theres some truth to what you say - Microsoft have been very good at marketing. But you still need a quality product to market. Consumers can be influenced, but they aren't braindead.

Nobody can say the Xbox One isn't an impressive device. Of course it hasn't catered to core gamers (yet) hence the backlash (not to mention the total mishandling of policies surrounding ownership and all that - the reveal was a disaster really). But what it does do is pretty impressive.