How to make a functional FPS on the Wii

Ok this is my take on it. Don't know what You guys think but i'd first try this:
d-pad = movement forward, backward, strafing.
pointing wii-mote = aiming on screen.
tilting wii-mote left/right = turning left/right.

No need for the nunchuk at all.

(You could of course replace d-pad functions with the nunchuks analogue stick for more comfortable movement.)

KungfuKitten

maybe ninty could put another analog stick on the nunchuk \o/Rhubarb9

maybe ninty could put another analog stick on the nunchuk \o/Rhubarb9

[QUOTE="Rhubarb9"]maybe ninty could put another analog stick on the nunchuk \o/peacebringer

[QUOTE="Flipnblack"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

How to make a fuctional FPS on the Wii.

Step 1: Cancel the game on the Wii

Step 2: Make it for the XBOX 360

Step 3: Release another Mario game on the Wii instead.

Tylendal

They can also take it a step further by using the nun-chuck for stance control.Stabby2486

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

How to make a fuctional FPS on the Wii.

Step  1: Cancel the game on the Wii

Step 2: Make it for the XBOX 360

Step 3: Release another Mario game on the Wii instead.

axt113

[QUOTE="axt113"]I think a fixed Reticule would help the issueShinobishyguy

I think a fixed Reticule would help the issueaxt113

[QUOTE="axt113"]I think a fixed Reticule would help the issueNedemis

Bad idea, actually. The screen would be moving with ever twitch of your wrist. You would have to hold the wii-mote VEEEERY still to keep the reticule centered.

A small bounding box sounds the best right now, but it's the Wii, so they might come up with something totally new. Who knows?

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="axt113"]I think a fixed Reticule would help the issueMaelkav

Bad idea, actually. The screen would be moving with ever twitch of your wrist. You would have to hold the wii-mote VEEEERY still to keep the reticule centered.

A small bounding box sounds the best right now, but it's the Wii, so they might come up with something totally new. Who knows?

[QUOTE="Maelkav"]

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="axt113"]I think a fixed Reticule would help the issueaxt113

Bad idea, actually. The screen would be moving with ever twitch of your wrist. You would have to hold the wii-mote VEEEERY still to keep the reticule centered.

A small bounding box sounds the best right now, but it's the Wii, so they might come up with something totally new. Who knows?

It's already been done on Call of Duty on Wii and it's not that good. It is hard to just relax and enjoy the game because the view is always moving a little bit and when the action gets frantic and your moving your hand quickly it just goes all over the place.

The original posters suggestion is still the superior solution IMO.

I assume, as usual, most of you are gonna have to actually try it in practice before you can all see and feel just how much better the new option is than the set-ups that are currently being used...

[QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Maelkav"]

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="axt113"]I think a fixed Reticule would help the issuefreeload

Bad idea, actually. The screen would be moving with ever twitch of your wrist. You would have to hold the wii-mote VEEEERY still to keep the reticule centered.

A small bounding box sounds the best right now, but it's the Wii, so they might come up with something totally new. Who knows?

It's already been done on Call of Duty on Wii and it's not that good. It is hard to just relax and enjoy the game because the view is always moving a little bit and when the action gets frantic and your moving your hand quickly it just goes all over the place.

The original posters suggestion is still the superior solution IMO.

I assume, as usual, most of you are gonna have to actually try it in practice before you can all see and feel just how much better the new option is than the set-ups that are currently being used...

[QUOTE="freeload"][QUOTE="axt113"][QUOTE="Maelkav"]

[QUOTE="Nedemis"][QUOTE="axt113"]I think a fixed Reticule would help the issueaxt113

Bad idea, actually. The screen would be moving with ever twitch of your wrist. You would have to hold the wii-mote VEEEERY still to keep the reticule centered.

A small bounding box sounds the best right now, but it's the Wii, so they might come up with something totally new. Who knows?

It's already been done on Call of Duty on Wii and it's not that good. It is hard to just relax and enjoy the game because the view is always moving a little bit and when the action gets frantic and your moving your hand quickly it just goes all over the place.

The original posters suggestion is still the superior solution IMO.

I assume, as usual, most of you are gonna have to actually try it in practice before you can all see and feel just how much better the new option is than the set-ups that are currently being used...

It has both options. You can change it in the options/control menu, to a fixed cursor, so the reticule never moves from the center of the screen and the camera imediately as you move the Wiimote.

I think it was Call of Duty, but it was one of the WW games anyway. It is definately in there cause I played it on the Wii with both control options and neither felt very intuitive or fun...

This has probably already been mentioned earlier but the main problem with FPS on the Wii is twofold:

1. Holding a Wiimote in the air is not as "stable" as moving a mouse on top of a mouse pad.

2. A Bounding Box is necessary because, unless a mouse, you can't "pick up" the Wiimote when you've turned as far as you can.

To elaborate on the 2nd comment...say you eliminated the bounding box...so your reticle is always center and however you move your Wiimote, your view will move.  How would you do a 360 degree turn?  With a mouse, you move it as far to the side of the mouse pad as it can go...then you pick up the mouse, bring it back to the other side of the mouse pad, and keep moving it until your turn is complete.  With the Wiimote, since it's "always on", if you move it back, your view will move back as well.

 One way around it would be to make it so you have to hold down a button in order to "move".  If the button wasn't held down, then your Wiimote movements don't "register".  This would solve the issue of "shaky screen" as well.  I don't know how hard it would be to get used to holding down a button whenever you wanted to move, but I imagine it wouldn't take too long to master.  Of perhaps flip it around...hold down the button when don't want to move.

This has probably already been mentioned earlier but the main problem with FPS on the Wii is twofold:

 

1. Holding a Wiimote in the air is not as "stable" as moving a mouse on top of a mouse pad.

2. A Bounding Box is necessary because, unless a mouse, you can't "pick up" the Wiimote when you've turned as far as you can.

To elaborate on the 2nd comment...say you eliminated the bounding box...so your reticle is always center and however you move your Wiimote, your view will move.  How would you do a 360 degree turn?  With a mouse, you move it as far to the side of the mouse pad as it can go...then you pick up the mouse, bring it back to the other side of the mouse pad, and keep moving it until your turn is complete.  With the Wiimote, since it's "always on", if you move it back, your view will move back as well.

 One way around it would be to make it so you have to hold down a button in order to "move".  If the button wasn't held down, then your Wiimote movements don't "register".  This would solve the issue of "shaky screen" as well.  I don't know how hard it would be to get used to holding down a button whenever you wanted to move, but I imagine it wouldn't take too long to master.  Of perhaps flip it around...hold down the button when don't want to move.

edward2332

My god!

Do any of you guys actually read the intial posts in these forums?

If you simply move the looking onto the tilt control of the Nunchuck then you don't have to have any kind of bounding box and can freely point/aim/shoot around the screen with the Wiimote. The view would of course move anytime you tilt/rotate the Nunchuck, even a little bit, but that won't be an issue if you have free aiming on the Wiimote because the aiming won't directly affect the view causing the whole screen to shake when you simply try to aim at and shoot someone.

This is a far better solution that what is currently being used IMO.

Move forward, backward, strafe left and right with the Anaolgue Stick.

Look up, down and turn left and right with the Nunchuck Tilt Control.

Aim freely with the Wiimote and fire with B.

It's not that complicated and it would be far better than the bounding box or fixed reticule methods, once again IMO, but of course most of you will disagree until you actually try it, when all of a sudden you will realise it is better and then act like you though it would be all along...

[QUOTE="edward2332"]

This has probably already been mentioned earlier but the main problem with FPS on the Wii is twofold:

 

1. Holding a Wiimote in the air is not as "stable" as moving a mouse on top of a mouse pad.

2. A Bounding Box is necessary because, unless a mouse, you can't "pick up" the Wiimote when you've turned as far as you can.

To elaborate on the 2nd comment...say you eliminated the bounding box...so your reticle is always center and however you move your Wiimote, your view will move.  How would you do a 360 degree turn?  With a mouse, you move it as far to the side of the mouse pad as it can go...then you pick up the mouse, bring it back to the other side of the mouse pad, and keep moving it until your turn is complete.  With the Wiimote, since it's "always on", if you move it back, your view will move back as well.

 One way around it would be to make it so you have to hold down a button in order to "move".  If the button wasn't held down, then your Wiimote movements don't "register".  This would solve the issue of "shaky screen" as well.  I don't know how hard it would be to get used to holding down a button whenever you wanted to move, but I imagine it wouldn't take too long to master.  Of perhaps flip it around...hold down the button when don't want to move.

freeload

My god!

Do any of you guys actually read the intial posts in these forums?

If you simply move the looking onto the tilt control of the Nunchuck then you don't have to have any kind of bounding box and can freely point/aim/shoot around the screen with the Wiimote. The view would of course move anytime you tilt/rotate the Nunchuck, even a little bit, but that won't be an issue if you have free aiming on the Wiimote because the aiming won't directly affect the view causing the whole screen to shake when you simply try to aim at and shoot someone.

This is a far better solution that what is currently being used IMO.

Move forward, backward, strafe left and right with the Anaolgue Stick.

Look up, down and turn left and right with the Nunchuck Tilt Control.

Aim freely with the Wiimote and fire with B.

It's not that complicated and it would be far better than the bounding box or fixed reticule methods, once again IMO, but of course most of you will disagree until you actually try it, when all of a sudden you will realise it is better and then act like you though it would be all along...

[QUOTE="freeload"][QUOTE="edward2332"]

This has probably already been mentioned earlier but the main problem with FPS on the Wii is twofold:

 

1. Holding a Wiimote in the air is not as "stable" as moving a mouse on top of a mouse pad.

2. A Bounding Box is necessary because, unless a mouse, you can't "pick up" the Wiimote when you've turned as far as you can.

To elaborate on the 2nd comment...say you eliminated the bounding box...so your reticle is always center and however you move your Wiimote, your view will move.  How would you do a 360 degree turn?  With a mouse, you move it as far to the side of the mouse pad as it can go...then you pick up the mouse, bring it back to the other side of the mouse pad, and keep moving it until your turn is complete.  With the Wiimote, since it's "always on", if you move it back, your view will move back as well.

 One way around it would be to make it so you have to hold down a button in order to "move".  If the button wasn't held down, then your Wiimote movements don't "register".  This would solve the issue of "shaky screen" as well.  I don't know how hard it would be to get used to holding down a button whenever you wanted to move, but I imagine it wouldn't take too long to master.  Of perhaps flip it around...hold down the button when don't want to move.

edward2332

My god!

Do any of you guys actually read the intial posts in these forums?

If you simply move the looking onto the tilt control of the Nunchuck then you don't have to have any kind of bounding box and can freely point/aim/shoot around the screen with the Wiimote. The view would of course move anytime you tilt/rotate the Nunchuck, even a little bit, but that won't be an issue if you have free aiming on the Wiimote because the aiming won't directly affect the view causing the whole screen to shake when you simply try to aim at and shoot someone.

This is a far better solution that what is currently being used IMO.

Move forward, backward, strafe left and right with the Anaolgue Stick.

Look up, down and turn left and right with the Nunchuck Tilt Control.

Aim freely with the Wiimote and fire with B.

It's not that complicated and it would be far better than the bounding box or fixed reticule methods, once again IMO, but of course most of you will disagree until you actually try it, when all of a sudden you will realise it is better and then act like you though it would be all along...

You obviously don't get it and like I say, you won't until you try it. Then you will agree no doubt but act like it was obvious all along...

The Wiimote has no effect on the steadyness of the view since it just aims the cursor like in an arcade gun game.

Because the aiming and shooting is trully free you won't have to worry about using the look option excessively. You could just aim to the edge of the screen with the Wiimote if there is a guy there.

Even when you do have to look around with the Nunchuck it will be the same as the Wiimote, ecept far less jittery than the pointer, which used different technology. Also you can rest the Nunchuck a lot of the time and still aim freely with the Wiimote which in many situations will be all you need to do, as long as you have the target somewhere within your current view. So look roughly where you want to then stop trying to look/turn with the Nunchuck and use the Wiimote to aim accurately and intuitively.

Well, the best FPS controls would be keybaord/mouse and touchscreen, imo.

So the best controls that can be employed on the Wii would be very similar to that.

As for your tilt suggestion, i think it's very awkward. I mean, read the PoP review, they say the tilting for the camera angles is not good.Pangster007

That's bad implementation not bad set up...

No...I get it...and I see where you're coming from.

And, like I said, it would just make it worse. Tell me...just how would I do a 360 degree turn with YOUR "method"? If the nunchuck works like a mouse...it would be impossible...unless your wrist can spin like a pinwheel. If it works like an analog controller...then you're gonna be faced with issues such as trying to control how fast you turn and how to find out where "center" is. Sorry to burst your bubble...it was a good attempt, though.edward2332

Tell me...just how do you do a 360 degree turn on the N64/PS/GC/Xbox/PS2/Xbox 360/PS3?

The Nuncuck would work like the right analogue stick on any of those controllers except using tilt control in place of the analogue stick; centred = no movement and the more you tilt/turn the Nunchuck the faster you look up, down or turn left and right. It would be little faster but a little more shakey than an analogue stick.

It also understands it's centre just like it can understand it's centre in games like Excite Trucks e.g if you don't tilt it from it's centre the car goes straight or does not lean forward or backward on a jump.

The actual Analogue stick on the Nunchuck would act like the left analogue stick on any of those controllers.

Isn't Alien Syndrome on Wii going to use the Nunchuk tilting as the camera control? If it works there, it should work for other games.bexarath

Indeed, and they say it does work...