They don't make expensive hardware, so your habits of forming comparisons to SEGA and Sony can't be meaningful. Also, Nintendo aren't short on money in the slightest.
It has to sell at last 30 million. It will sell almost half that in the first year itself.
You think its gonna sell Wii U total numbers in just a year? What makes you think it will be a big seller?
Nothing tangible. Just a gut feel. It seems to have largely been well received, the marketing seems to be on point, it'll be launching with at least one big game, and as long as it's available for $299 or less, I can see it doing very, very well.
@speak_low: Agreed, diversity is Nintendo's biggest issue with their 1st party titles. They need at least one IP that caters to the Uncharted/Tomb Raider crowd. Not everyone is into platformers like Mario and Donkey Kong.
@immortaldreamcastmasterrace: I was hoping you'd repost this, I'd typed out a whole response to yours and then found out that last thread had been locked. Luckily I'd saved mine:
I'll say it over and over: Nintendo is in direct competition with Sony and MS whether they desire to be or not. Customers walk into a store and see on the shelves a PS4 and its games, a Bone and its games, and Nintendo's systems and their games. They don't waltz into Gamestop, see the (tiny) Nintendo's section right alongside those they proclaim not to be in competition with (with massive sections) and care that Nintendo thinks they're not competing.
For any company to claim they won't fight against those who are after the same slice of market pie they are is a concession of defeat before the battle. Intrinsic to business is competing, because any viable market that is profitable enough for a business to invest heavily in and pursue is going to be fought over fiercely by others. This is just common sense. Nintendo is arrogantly delusional in believing they are somehow exempt from it, and it has (and will continue to) hurt them until they again decide to step into the ring and trade blow for blow with Sony and MS. They can try to create new blue oceans to flee to, but they will eventually be encroached upon (and intimidated out of) by competitors until they are unable to remain in the gaming industry altogether.
Competition isn't synonymous with matching or outspending Sony or MSs' budgets or creating a carbon copy system either as so many say. Nintendo can remain creative and innovative whilst competing, but they need to at least offer an alternative that measures up to expected standards. Consumers aren't going to be understanding if they're not there just because Nintendo doesn't feel the need to keep up.
Nintendo MUST compete, because they already ARE competing, and with their creativity and talent I'm at a loss as to why they constantly try to avoid it. Why the fear? Why not embrace and utilize it to better one's business? Nintendo already has everything they need to put up one hell of a fight.
Over 35 million which is a viable number. I think what drives Nintendo profits is software rather than hardware.
I think with anything above 40million units , which again i think can easily be achieved IF they dont Fup with marketing and price etc etc , will be ok for Nintendo. Anything above 60 will be a huge success and very profitable imho.
And thats because i think theyll sell their console with a profit from the get go ( low spec system , high price because of the fancy stuff ) and as usual software will sell great numbers with a base of 40millions ++ ( Mario , Zelda , another mario , another Zelda , kart etc )
30-40+ hopefully, anything lower is a flop IMO. Also they've lost a lot of consumers due to the rise of mobile gaming (Which this console hopes to bridge that gap).
Its going to come down to marketing. Nintendo needs to capitalize on the fact that Pokemon is back in. Pokemon alone would make this console fly.
@emgesp: It quells the need to purchase 2 devices. Having a unified platform is huge. The cost of the NS will be less no matter what than the Wii U + 3DS currently is at discount prices. Also a Tablet is limited to what is available in mobile gaming, which doesn't compare to Nintendo period. On top of that, even with the cheaper tablets on the market, you would still need peripherals, ie, a controller.
@sonic_spark: The thing is the people who only play on the go won't give a crap about the dock and the people who only play at home won't care about the portable screen and detachable controllers. Why should I pay a premium for something I won't ever use?
it definitely has to do better than the wiiu. i think that can go without saying.
but its not just the sales of the hardware but the sales of the games that are even more important as that is where the profit comes from. the profit margins on console hardware are very thin. so they need to have games out, they need to be consistently excellent and the overall protfolio needs to appeal to more people.
at the end of the day a console does sell on its features, or lack there of. it sells on the games. the PS4 is winning because it has the best version of the multiplats and some decent exclusives and the console costs the same as the X1. the wii won because (believe it or not) it had the games that got peoples attention. same with the PS2 and so on.
if it can pull in 3DS numbers then that will be a decent recovery. a device with the combined library of the wii and DS (in terms of the types of games available) should be able to do that. support from Japanese developers should be strong (this thing should really own japan). western AAA titles will be a write off though but AA titles...they could be of interest.
at the end of the day a device with pokemon, mario games, zelda, xenoblade, monster hunter, bravely default (or games like it), metroid, animal crossing, tales games and so on should do well. its just too japan focused though which will hurt it. i will be very interested to see what the launch line up and the year 1 line up is. it needs to have a good launch (and the best time to try new ideas and/or IP is at a consoles launch also).
the one thing i will say is the reveal of the switch has been far more successful than the reveal of the wiiu. there are questions, sure, but i think people get it. there isnt the complete confusion that came with the wiiu. so its a good start. not as good as the wii but then that's bloody hard to beat.
Don't be lazy. If you have nothing of value to add in this thread then don't bother posting.
Of course you'd want to silence anyone who questions Nintendo's future.
How much of a loss of the install base do you think Nintendo can accept with the Switch coming from the previous gen?
Do you think it has the potential to sell as good, or better than the 3DS, if so explain why.
An area where everyone should be in agreement is with the install base of Nintendo's home consoles which is poor. The only uncertainty is whether or not it can go any lower. In the market as it stands, the company is at rock bottom.
@emgesp: I don't honestly believe that Nintendo will be in a position to ever make strong hardware compared to Sony or Microsoft. There are just too many outside advantages those two companies have on Nintendo.
All I want are quality Nintendo exclusives and perhaps FFXIV on the run for giggles.
yea because people dont carry tablets around... jesus christ your arguements are bad.
This can do everything a CONSUMPTION tablet can.. so don't go BSing me with "buh buh my £800 Surface PRo 3" bs.
@dynamitecop said:
Yeah, this space ship is not going to be the 3DS successor... Carry around your Wii U Gamepad all day, see how that goes, because that is essentially exactly how it's going to be with this stupid thing...
@joebones5000: do you always get predictions wrong? The Switch will sell a minimum of double what the WiiU sold.
I'm thinking its gotta do at least 4x Wii U sales for Nintendo to be somewhat satisfied.
Remember the Gamecube sold 21 million units and Nintendo themselves still called it a disappointment.
I agree though, it shouldn't have a problem outselling the Wii U, but I doubt this will come close to reaching 3DS + Wii U total sales (73 million units).
That's pretty hard to determine, but I'd say that as long as it sells better than the Wii U, it'll be just fine. Nintendo has many other ways of getting revenue if the Switch is below standards (plans for making movies, smart phone games, etc.). All I can say right now for sure though is that it's fairing a LOT better than the Wii U so far with only one trailer.
yea because people dont carry tablets around... jesus christ your arguements are bad.
This can do everything a CONSUMPTION tablet can.. so don't go BSing me with "buh buh my £800 Surface PRo 3" bs.
@dynamitecop said:
Yeah, this space ship is not going to be the 3DS successor... Carry around your Wii U Gamepad all day, see how that goes, because that is essentially exactly how it's going to be with this stupid thing...
Do you actually believe this horse shit? It's going to be a proprietary OS created by Nintendo, in other words minimalistic based upon empirical evidence of generation after generation of operating systems that are bare bones in every degree not to mention compatible with nothing else. Switch won't even approach 1% of 1% of 1% and so on and so forth of what a Windows tablet is capable of doing. Anything that is accessible to a desktop PC is accessible to a Windows tablet, because it is a PC. You have access to literally millions of applications not even gaming related, not to mention hundreds of thousands of Dos applications... Then to put a cherry on top of this, you have access to tens and tens of thousands of video games...
That kind of capability is why people carry tablets around, that level of functionality is what makes it worth it, that is what allows people to deal with the nuisance of hauling something extra and inconvenient around, you can do anything with it... The Switch can do anything a tablet can do? You're out of your mind if you actually believe that nonsense, nothing, and I mean nothing could be further from the truth... It will surf the internet and have a few rudimentary applications like Facebook and Netflix...
All the Switch will do is play games and run a few mainstream applications, that's it, that's why very, very few people will ever tote this thing around... It's too big, too outplayed and lacking too much capability to even be in the same universe as a real tablet, and it's too big to actually fall into the proper categorization of a handheld, it's in no man's land between handhelds and tablets... Total insanity...
@WitIsWisdom: Why do you think its going to be sold out everywhere?
Man... I had a huge post typed out for you and my internet ate it. I added many points, but I guess it all comes down to a hunch from watching the industry very closely for many years.
You can catch a couple of my points in the last long post I made in this same thread.
I have many other reasons as well though. Let's call it an educated guess. If you want more details PM me or I guess I can try to re-type my thoughts if it's that important for you to hear.
I must ask you one thing though.. what are your thoughts? Are you in the "it's going to sell well" boat or the "it's doomed" boat... or perhaps somewhere in between. We already know I'm in the.. "it's going to absolutely KILL IT" boat... and it's not really a guess.. more of a "I'd put money on it" kind of thing. I can see the writing on the wall.. Nintendo has a chance to catch lightning in a bottle for a 2nd time if they play their cards right. Everything is lining up and the timing is perfect. The only question I have is how Nintendo will execute their plans. If done properly and placing advertisement in the right places and continuing to push a Western sales strategy while ALSO bringing what were once handheld only games over.. well, you can forget about it. This will CRUSH the competition.
I have my crow ready if I'm wrong, but lets just say I have a good track record with these type of things and I serve my crow just as fresh.
@FLOPPAGE_50: "The Bone" outsold the Wii U by a good margin though. Maybe you should be more realistic and hope Switch manages to outsell even the Wii U..
I don't know the power of mobile phones that well. The OS is almost like it is from another world. It is different from Macs, PCs and home consoles to me.
Incase you havn't noticed windows tablets are doing S*it because people do no want tablets for serious productivity, or playing PC based applications. There are laptops for that. which are far better suited.
I'm comparing Switch to Android/iOS tablets, because realistically that is far more inline.
@dynamitecop said:
@MBirdy88 said:
yea because people dont carry tablets around... jesus christ your arguements are bad.
This can do everything a CONSUMPTION tablet can.. so don't go BSing me with "buh buh my £800 Surface PRo 3" bs.
@dynamitecop said:
Yeah, this space ship is not going to be the 3DS successor... Carry around your Wii U Gamepad all day, see how that goes, because that is essentially exactly how it's going to be with this stupid thing...
Do you actually believe this horse shit? It's going to be a proprietary OS created by Nintendo, in other words minimalistic based upon empirical evidence of generation after generation of operating systems that are bare bones in every degree not to mention compatible with nothing else. Switch won't even approach 1% of 1% of 1% and so on and so forth of what a Windows tablet is capable of doing. Anything that is accessible to a desktop PC is accessible to a Windows tablet, because it is a PC. You have access to literally millions of applications not even gaming related, not to mention hundreds of thousands of Dos applications... Then to put a cherry on top of this, you have access to tens and tens of thousands of video games...
That kind of capability is why people carry tablets around, that level of functionality is what makes it worth it, that is what allows people to deal with the nuisance of hauling something extra and inconvenient around, you can do anything with it... The Switch can do anything a tablet can do? You're out of your mind if you actually believe that nonsense, nothing, and I mean nothing could be further from the truth... It will surf the internet and have a few rudimentary applications like Facebook and Netflix...
All the Switch will do is play games and run a few mainstream applications, that's it, that's why very, very few people will ever tote this thing around... It's too big, too outplayed and lacking too much capability to even be in the same universe as a real tablet, and it's too big to actually fall into the proper categorization of a handheld, it's in no man's land between handhelds and tablets... Total insanity...
@WitIsWisdom: I'm in the it will do better than the Wii U, but not as well as the 3DS boat. Even if this is priced at $249.99 I can't see it doing any better than say 35 million units give or take. Pokemon, Kart and Smash will pretty much be the reason why the Switch has any success.
Seems people want a cheap and powerful console. I'm not sure that works.
Nintendo could have easily released a console more powerful than the PS4 at a $299.99 price point. We are talking a little over three years difference between the release of these two consoles.
@enzyme36 said:
A new Zelda at launch instantly makes this launch more appealing than the Wii U.
Yeah, but if you own a Wii U you don't have to buy the Switch to play Zelda: BOTW.
@emgesp: and having 3 form factors would had me more interested. Handheld, console, hybrid. All supporting the same software. All priced accordingly to the hardware brought. I like the idea but just like the Wiiu it feels forced upon than choice.
Long as I get monster hunter 5, pokemon, A couple of PG exclusives, splatoon sequel, Pokken Sequel, METROID, A couple of games like wave race, 1080 snow boarding, f zero etc.etc then I'm all for the Switch.
Graphically I'm still content on how Nintendo games look on Wiiu. Mario kart, smash, splatoon are still eye candy to me. Bayonetta 2 looks beautiful still when in motion part from the frame drops just like w101.
I don't know the power of mobile phones that well. The OS is almost like it is from another world. It is different from Macs, PCs and home consoles to me.
Well, Apple likes to brag that their custom ARM SoC is as powerful as a PC's x86. Nvidia's SoC can either match it or outperform it.
Nintendo Switch would have to sell at least as much as the Super Nintendo Entertainment system. 49.10 Million consoles. or a the very least Nintendo 64 level. 32.92 million consoles. It would be great if the Nintendo Switch could sell as well as the original NES at 62.3 Million consoles.
Nintendo has to return to it's former glory days. since there is no way Nintendo Switch is going to reach the fluke numbers of the Nintendo Wii reached at 101.4 million consoles. but if the Nintendo Switch does not go past Nintendo Gamecube lifetime sales of 21.74 million consoles it will be considered a failure. The Nintendo Switch should at least pass Nintendo Wii U sales of 13.2 millions consoles sold.
However compared to Nintendo DS series lifetime sales of 154.8 million or Original Gameboy lifetime sales of 85.1 million. Gameboy Color sales of 32.1 million, Gameboy Advance sales of 81 million. Finally Nintendo 3DS family lifetime sales of 61.3 million units. The Nintendo Switch has to at the very least reach a total of 50 Million lifetime sales for Nintendo to remain in the videogame hardware market.
Since the Nintendo Switch is a home console and portable console hybrid than it is 50 million systems sold or Nintendo is finished. But the switch has to have strong third party support this time. Nintendo videogame devices have sold mostly well. except for Gamecube with just under 22 million and the dismal Wii U with a very bad 13.2 million consoles sold from November 18 2012 to present day October 26th 2016.
The Nintendo Switch could be the last offering from Nintendo. If third party support does not improve.
Most gamers like Nintendo or at the very least don't mind them. The new system is never going to come close to Wii sales but I could see enough people buying it to make it a success. Personally I don't plan on buying one anytime soon. Maybe some time down the road. I have no interest in the mobile aspect of the system.
@WitIsWisdom: I'm in the it will do better than the Wii U, but not as well as the 3DS boat. Even if this is priced at $249.99 I can't see it doing any better than say 35 million units give or take. Pokemon, Kart and Smash will pretty much be the reason why the Switch has any success.
I respect your opinion, but I believe it will do more than twice your prediction. I have a feeling this is actually going to pick up steam as time passes, and will have a great shelf life for sales. This is like the Super Gameboy everyone always wanted, and could easily last well beyond the years of traditional consoles.
Pokémon, Kart, and Smash aren't the only reasons why the Switch will have success in my opinion (Those are just console side games). Let's not forget, Mario, Zelda, Kirby, Metroid, Animal Crossing, Etrian games, Fire Emblem, Harvest Moon, Luigi's Mansion, Monster Hunter, Professor Layton/Phoenix Wright, Sonic, Yoshi, etc. These are ALL games that will now be Switch exclusives that were once only on the 3DS (obviously this list will be a little different). There were over 200 exclusives for the DS. Now THOSE exclusives will be added to the Switch's other bigger exclusives. I don't know... I just feel that they nailed it with consumers on this one, and I guess we will find out soon enough.
Isn't anyone excited for the changes Nintendo has been undergoing for the past year+? While I am very hyped for the Switch, I'm even more enthusiastic that Nintendo's been taking action to change many of the things that've been plaguing them for many years now. The U's failure was symptomatic of a business that was suffering. Droughts, shitty online, poor account, VC. Everyone thinks that the Switch is going to be a system that's operating under the same circumstances that Nintendo was with the U, when in fact major restructuring to many aspects of their business have been made. I'm more excited about this than the actual hardware.
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