How would you react if PS4's main controller was a tablet?

[QUOTE="Nega3"]

I like the idea of tablets as controllers.

I don't get why everyone is going to skip the console if it happens.

KC_Hokie

I was cynical at first, but it's Nintendo man.

Switch to the xbox...

I would laugh and know in my heart what I already knew Sony can only copy.

In typical Sony style, stealing Nintendo's ideas. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens on the PS4.

I think it would be great!

I really don't understand what gamers have against the potential for games to be better.

I do understand the dislike of the Wiimote. It really isn't suited well for certain genres that are typically found on consoles, and some people just don't like motion controls. I get that.

But how people fail to see the potential of a controller with the standard buttons plus tablet functionality is beyond me.

Could one of you haters please explain what would make it bad?

All I'm seeing is "I would laugh my ass off", "I would avoid the console", "I would wait for a real controller"...

Please give some concrete reasons of what makes this idea bad.

:cool:
Anyway, that's how I would react. I've been doing this for a while so i'm legit at what I do.

Could one of you haters please explain what would make it bad?

All I'm seeing is "I would laugh my ass off", "I would avoid the console", "I would wait for a real controller"...

Please give some concrete reasons of what makes this idea bad.

Wiimotefan

tablets fail hardcore genres for many reasons

1) they in no way contour to your hand. its just flat. so essentially its a keyboard with fewer inputs and without the addition of a mouse for precision

2) aiming by pointing with your fingers in TPS and FPS games is a complete joke

3) racing controls become horrendous

4) anything which involves exploring a 3d environment becomes awkward as hell, due to imprecise movement controls

i could go on.

tablets fail hardcore genres for many reasons

1) they in no way contour to your hand. its just flat. so essentially its a keyboard with fewer inputs and without the addition of a mouse for precision

2) aiming by pointing with your fingers in TPS and FPS games is a complete joke

3) racing controls become horrendous

4) anything which involves exploring a 3d environment becomes awkward as hell, due to imprecise movement controls

i could go on.

arbitor365

I don't think were talking about standard tablets here. Were talking aboult a controller with a touchscreen display. It's not flat and it has buttons.

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

Could one of you haters please explain what would make it bad?

All I'm seeing is "I would laugh my ass off", "I would avoid the console", "I would wait for a real controller"...

Please give some concrete reasons of what makes this idea bad.

arbitor365

tablets fail hardcore genres for many reasons

1) they in no way contour to your hand. its just flat. so essentially its a keyboard with fewer inputs and without the addition of a mouse for precision

2) aiming by pointing with your fingers in TPS and FPS games is a complete joke

3) racing controls become horrendous

4) anything which involves exploring a 3d environment becomes awkward as hell, due to imprecise movement controls

i could go on.

Who said a tablet controller cant have analogs?

Who said the flat design is bad, and even if so, who said it had to be flat?

tablets fail hardcore genres for many reasons

1) they in no way contour to your hand. its just flat. so essentially its a keyboard with fewer inputs and without the addition of a mouse for precision

2) aiming by pointing with your fingers in TPS and FPS games is a complete joke

3) racing controls become horrendous

4) anything which involves exploring a 3d environment becomes awkward as hell, due to imprecise movement controls

i could go on.

arbitor365

1) all reports say it is comfortable, and if you look at pictures of the back it does contour to your hands. The fact that your hands are furthur apart does not affect the ergonomics either, and the controller is not heavy.

2) 3) it has dual analogs for conventional controls, and the tablet can then be used for quick reference of game menus, maps, or whatever else devs can think of.

[QUOTE="arbitor365"]

tablets fail hardcore genres for many reasons

1) they in no way contour to your hand. its just flat. so essentially its a keyboard with fewer inputs and without the addition of a mouse for precision

2) aiming by pointing with your fingers in TPS and FPS games is a complete joke

3) racing controls become horrendous

4) anything which involves exploring a 3d environment becomes awkward as hell, due to imprecise movement controls

i could go on.

D4W1L4H

I don't think were talking about standard tablets here. Were talking aboult a controller with a touchscreen display. It's not flat and it has buttons.

Oh if he thought I meant a standard tablet then of course it would suck! Haha.

i'd say a great move will be to make the ps4 like a tablet, but only playable with a controler. You can connect this tablet to your tv, or just take it with you on the go. That would be amazing! Sorta like a PC with HDMI out

I'd laugh and not really care.

Tablet = Stupid idea

So ps4 = awful controller

The way gaming should go is the wii-mote. The wii-mote actually improves tons of gameplay mechanics over traditional games. What does a tablet improve? It forces you to look at the screen while looking at the tv. It is distracting, it doesn't improve anything, and nearly broken. I can't think of one think that DS does better with two screens. Look at elite beat agents. If it was on one screen instead of two, the game would be better. A tablet is a stupid idea that has made wii-u completely uninteresting to me. Nothing is better with a clunky control that makes the device less interactive.

I think it would be pretty cool. Knowing sony, they would never do that though. I think they learned their lesson from the ps3 about expensive hardware...

It'll probably be better than whatever MS will be doing though next gen. I used to be very biased towards MS, since they had a lot going for them early on. But all this kinect bs is stating to wear thin on me. If they keeping pushing it next gen, I'll be happy to purchase the playstation-U

I still don't understand why people hate the wii-mote. It is by far the most immersive controller ever made. I guess it isn't new or fresh anymore and we have to hae stupid gimmicks nowadays for stuff to sell. First wiifit, next kinect, now wii-u controller.

Tablet = Stupid idea

So ps4 = awful controller

The way gaming should go is the wii-mote. The wii-mote actually improves tons of gameplay mechanics over traditional games. What does a tablet improve? It forces you to look at the screen while looking at the tv. It is distracting, it doesn't improve anything, and nearly broken. I can't think of one think that DS does better with two screens. Look at elite beat agents. If it was on one screen instead of two, the game would be better.

nhh18

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

Tablet = Stupid idea

So ps4 = awful controller

The way gaming should go is the wii-mote. The wii-mote actually improves tons of gameplay mechanics over traditional games. What does a tablet improve? It forces you to look at the screen while looking at the tv. It is distracting, it doesn't improve anything, and nearly broken. I can't think of one think that DS does better with two screens. Look at elite beat agents. If it was on one screen instead of two, the game would be better.

AmazonTreeBoa

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="nhh18"]

Tablet = Stupid idea

So ps4 = awful controller

The way gaming should go is the wii-mote. The wii-mote actually improves tons of gameplay mechanics over traditional games. What does a tablet improve? It forces you to look at the screen while looking at the tv. It is distracting, it doesn't improve anything, and nearly broken. I can't think of one think that DS does better with two screens. Look at elite beat agents. If it was on one screen instead of two, the game would be better.

nhh18

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="nhh18"]

Tablet = Stupid idea

So ps4 = awful controller

The way gaming should go is the wii-mote. The wii-mote actually improves tons of gameplay mechanics over traditional games. What does a tablet improve? It forces you to look at the screen while looking at the tv. It is distracting, it doesn't improve anything, and nearly broken. I can't think of one think that DS does better with two screens. Look at elite beat agents. If it was on one screen instead of two, the game would be better.

nhh18

I still don't understand why people hate the wii-mote. It is by far the most immersive controller ever made. I guess it isn't new or fresh anymore and we have to hae stupid gimmicks nowadays for stuff to sell. First wiifit, next kinect, now wii-u controller.

nhh18

I disagree with your views on the WiiU controller. Maybe I have too much of an active imagination, but I see great potential for it. You dont lose the functionality of a standard controller, but only gain a touch screen that could be used in so many different ways.

As for the Wiimote hate? Its a combination of two things.

1. Most haters never even gave it a fair chance. I remember people had a tough time adjusting to dual analogs, but they simply had to in order to keep gaming and the hate went away. People that don't feel instantly at home with motion controls just run back to what they know.

2. Developers failed. There are only a hand full of games that really show that the Wiimote is in fact an evolution in controls. I remember after my first go with Metroid Prime 3 I went to play a PS3 game and felt so limited. The DS3 just felt archaic. Unfortunately, too many developers treated the Wiimote as a gimmick rather than embracing it and developing software to take advantage.

I think the issue falls on the shoulders of developers more than gamers.

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"] If the PS4 had a Wii type controller as their main controller, I would still skip the PS4. There is a reason I will not being buying the moved bundled PS3 when I get my PS3. I don't like motion controls. If all consoles go that rate, I will stick to PC.D4W1L4H

I'd like to see a stealth game in the vein of MGS3 were you hold the controller in front of you and look "through" it for night vision, thermal vision, binoculars, sniper scope, etc.

This would not only just be cool, but it would free up your other equips/controls for other useful items/weapons, thus improving the game imo.

Of course I'm no game designer, so I'm sure they can think of much better ideas.

I'd be inclined not to buy it; I want a game controller, not a freakin IPAD...

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

Could one of you haters please explain what would make it bad?

All I'm seeing is "I would laugh my ass off", "I would avoid the console", "I would wait for a real controller"...

Please give some concrete reasons of what makes this idea bad.

arbitor365

tablets fail hardcore genres for many reasons

1) they in no way contour to your hand. its just flat. so essentially its a keyboard with fewer inputs and without the addition of a mouse for precision

2) aiming by pointing with your fingers in TPS and FPS games is a complete joke

3) racing controls become horrendous

4) anything which involves exploring a 3d environment becomes awkward as hell, due to imprecise movement controls

i could go on.

I take back what I said about it being a good idea. :o

Well done for changing my opinion.

I'd be inclined not to buy it; I want a game controller, not a freakin IPAD...

Shenmue_Jehuty

How about a game controller with all the same buttons you're used to, plus a touch screen that enables even more functionality? Because that is what we're discussing here, not an IPAD.

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

I'd be inclined not to buy it; I want a game controller, not a freakin IPAD...

Wiimotefan

How about a game controller with all the same buttons you're used to, plus a touch screen that enables even more functionality? Because that is what we're discussing here, not an IPAD.

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

I'd be inclined not to buy it; I want a game controller, not a freakin IPAD...

Wiimotefan

How about a game controller with all the same buttons you're used to, plus a touch screen that enables even more functionality? Because that is what we're discussing here, not an IPAD.

Nice efforts, but give it up man. In SW everyone is a gamer, yet hardly anyone is actually a gamer if that makes any sense. People here have no foresight and just want to live in the now. I really shouldn't bash SW exclusively though. This is just how gamers tend to be these days which is why the industry is so damn stagnant.

Gamers used to want innovation when it was hard to get. Now they wont accept it when its right there for the taking.

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

I'd be inclined not to buy it; I want a game controller, not a freakin IPAD...

sandbox3d

How about a game controller with all the same buttons you're used to, plus a touch screen that enables even more functionality? Because that is what we're discussing here, not an IPAD.

Nice efforts, but give it up man. In SW everyone is a gamer, yet hardly anyone is actually a gamer if that makes any sense. People here have no foresight and just want to live in the now. I really shouldn't bash SW exclusively though. This is just how gamers tend to be these days which is why the industry is so damn stagnant.

Gamers used to want innovation when it was hard to get. Now they wont accept it when its right there for the taking.

I know man, trust me I know lol.

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

I'd be inclined not to buy it; I want a game controller, not a freakin IPAD...

GunSmith1_basic

How about a game controller with all the same buttons you're used to, plus a touch screen that enables even more functionality? Because that is what we're discussing here, not an IPAD.

Its all yet to be seen I guess. I know this much though, I will take the potential for innovative gameplay at the expense of graphics any day. If the Wii U turns out to be a slightly more powerful 360 with a tablet controller then that's fine by me.

Its all yet to be seen I guess. I know this much though, I will take the potential for innovative gameplay at the expense of graphics any day. If the Wii U turns out to be a slightly more powerful 360 with a tablet controller then that's fine by me.

Wiimotefan

even if it means that the wiiu gets left out of the best multiplats like the wii was?

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

Its all yet to be seen I guess. I know this much though, I will take the potential for innovative gameplay at the expense of graphics any day. If the Wii U turns out to be a slightly more powerful 360 with a tablet controller then that's fine by me.

GunSmith1_basic

even if it means that the wiiu gets left out of the best multiplats like the wii was?

Speaking for myslef of course, but yeah. The last time I owned just one gaming platform was the NES. Since then I've owned every relevant console to date. I know Nintendo will make games I like, they always have. I'll probably own the next Sony console as well since they're doing a fine job of offering quality exclusives. Then I have good old PC for the best multiplats (usually). At this point the nextbox is the only one in question for me.

I buy Nintendo consoles primarily for Nintendo games and there are always handful of good 3rd party titles as well. I just play my multiplats elseware.

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

I'd be inclined not to buy it; I want a game controller, not a freakin IPAD...

Wiimotefan

How about a game controller with all the same buttons you're used to, plus a touch screen that enables even more functionality? Because that is what we're discussing here, not an IPAD.

Exactly. Why are people so inclined to thinking that the Wii U controller will function like an iPad? It blows my mind. It has all the standard buttons, plus atouch screen.

I see nothing about wii-u that creates a better experience. All I saw was gimmicky stuff like catching a ball on a wii-u pad. How does that make it more interactive when you are using two hands to move the camera in a certain position. it feels nothing like catching a ball. It is stupid. Plain and simple. I feel like all wii-u could do is silly mini-games and that is about it. What can wii-u do that is better than the wii-mote. The only thing is mapping items and I guess drawing. I could go on and on why wii-mote controller is far superior to it.

I see nothing about wii-u that creates a better experience. All I saw was gimmicky stuff like catching a ball on a wii-u pad. How does that make it more interactive when you are using two hands to move the camera in a certain position. it feels nothing like catching a ball. It is stupid. Plain and simple. I feel like all wii-u could do is silly mini-games and that is about it. What can wii-u do that is better than the wii-mote. The only thing is mapping items and I guess drawing. I could go on and on why wii-mote controller is far superior to it.

nhh18

Oddly enough, you sound just like the people that couldn't see what a Wiimote could be capable of. :(

[QUOTE="Wiimotefan"]

[QUOTE="Shenmue_Jehuty"]

I'd be inclined not to buy it; I want a game controller, not a freakin IPAD...

D4W1L4H

How about a game controller with all the same buttons you're used to, plus a touch screen that enables even more functionality? Because that is what we're discussing here, not an IPAD.

Exactly. Why are people so inclined to thinking that the Wii U controller will function like an iPad? It blows my mind. It has all the standard buttons, plus atouch screen.

lol

*saves pic*

If it's comfortable to use, I wouldn't mind. If not, I'd be looking for alternative controllers if I wanted to get a PS4. I think there might be some good uses for a Wii U type of controller but I have to wait and see and try it out. I'm a bit sceptical though. Their last innovation, the Wii remote and nunchuck, was kiind of fun for a few games, but I prefer a standard controller to be honest. We'll have to see how good the new one is.

It has to be able to stream for it to act as a DS touch screen, TC.ActionRemix

It's different when you stream an entire game to it than say maps, hud info and touch input, I would imagine.

I still don't understand why people hate the wii-mote. It is by far the most immersive controller ever made. I guess it isn't new or fresh anymore and we have to hae stupid gimmicks nowadays for stuff to sell. First wiifit, next kinect, now wii-u controller.

nhh18

Tablet is the natural evolution of the standard DA controller, from purely a technical standpoint. It's a DA + a screen. If you don't think it adds anything then that's your opinion. My opinion is that we can finally play RTS games on consoles and games like Pictionary/Mario Paint can exist.

The Wiimote+nunchuck setup is also available to use, and since there are 90M Wii's scattered around the world, it's possible to make games for Wii U that can only work with WM+. Zelda can still be WM+ mandatory even if the main controller of the system is a tablet.

My point is that both control options can and will exist for at least 5 more years.

Be open minded and think about it. The controller is from a technical standpoint a dualshock, but with an added touch screen. Journalists at E3 said the U-pad feels great.

It doesn't have to include the streaming capability of the Wii U, so let's say you can use up to 4 tablets on each system for the sake of the argument.

It will be used as the second DS screen, showing information such as maps of the entire area without the need to pause the game & more things like drawing strategies or taking notes of things you want to remember in-game.

SuperFlakeman

[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="SuperFlakeman"]

It would actually make RTS games playable on consoles.

razgriz_101

If I ran Nintendo I would break out the check book and hire 3rd party developers to port RTS games, MMOs and RPGs to the Wii U.

your underestimating ninty, look at the n64 it bucked some trends and made probably the first sucessful FPS on consoles with an inexperienced team who used a lot of ingenuity with the hardware and what we knew FPS wise at the time.

And what bout Pikmin? Wii U is just gagging for a pikmin revival.

[QUOTE="AmazonTreeBoa"][QUOTE="nhh18"]

Tablet = Stupid idea

So ps4 = awful controller

The way gaming should go is the wii-mote. The wii-mote actually improves tons of gameplay mechanics over traditional games. What does a tablet improve? It forces you to look at the screen while looking at the tv. It is distracting, it doesn't improve anything, and nearly broken. I can't think of one think that DS does better with two screens. Look at elite beat agents. If it was on one screen instead of two, the game would be better.

nhh18

Controler + Motion Control >>>>> Controler + Touch Screen.

I am hoping Sony goes for Dual Analog + Move for next gen. It will be able to play all the normal games, as well as all the move type games.

[QUOTE="nhh18"]

I still don't understand why people hate the wii-mote. It is by far the most immersive controller ever made. I guess it isn't new or fresh anymore and we have to hae stupid gimmicks nowadays for stuff to sell. First wiifit, next kinect, now wii-u controller.

SuperFlakeman

Tablet is the natural evolution of the standard DA controller, from purely a technical standpoint. It's a DA + a screen. If you don't think it adds anything then that's your opinion. My opinion is that we can finally play RTS games on consoles and games like Pictionary/Mario Paint can exist.

The Wiimote+nunchuck setup is also available to use, and since there are 90M Wii's scattered around the world, it's possible to make games for Wii U that can only work with WM+. Zelda can still be WM+ mandatory even if the main controller of the system is a tablet.

My point is that both control options can and will exist for at least 5 more years.

Splitting the userbase with two controllers is a bad idea.

I would be dissapointed then instead they would just call it the Dualshock tablet.