How Xbox Live is blatantly better than PSN

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]This post is barely coherent, but I'll bite.

First of all, you can still use your software without going online unless it is a strictly online game.

Secondly, you're going to need to provide a link for the bolded.

Thidrly, it doesn't matter how MS pays for the upkeep and infrastucture of Live. They did built that infrastucture and they do maintain it, so they can charge money for it. That's how a capitalistic society works.

tormentos

That's a whole lot of text considering that so little of it addressed what I said.

There is a simple justification for the fee: MS built the infrascture and thus is entitled to charge for it. It doesn't matter that other companies decide not to. What part of that do you have difficulty understanding?

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Again, why should I take your opinion on what is intelligent and what isn't seriously? Especially when you're angry?

GreySeal9

Angry in front of my monitor? :lol:

Yes. You are very angry and I don't neccesarily blame you for being angry. But my statements about your intelligence are absolutely true and deep down you know that to be the case.

Oh man... You should become a comedian! You would make a great TV show.

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

The flak MS gets for charging for Xbox Live shows how entitled gamers are.

Xbox Live is a service than MS provides. They have every right to charge for it.

GreySeal9

We paid for the games with online multiplayer modes.

The internet that allows us to go online? Yeah we paid for that too.

???

This comment is extreme, to say the least.

No, it isn't. It doesn't matter if you paid for games with online multiplater modes or your internet. Xbox Live is still the infrastructure through which you access online play. MS built this infrastructure and they mantain it, thus they are entitled to charge for it.

Games with online modes/=/your internet/=/Xbox Live.

Then at best you have to say that the service is one that is fabricated from thin air on Microsoft's end. It would be the equivalent of charging people for accessing the internet just for using Windows as their OS.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

We paid for the games with online multiplayer modes.

The internet that allows us to go online? Yeah we paid for that too.

???

This comment is extreme, to say the least.

Gxgear

No, it isn't. It doesn't matter if you paid for games with online multiplater modes or your internet. Xbox Live is still the infrastructure through which you access online play. MS built this infrastructure and they mantain it, thus they are entitled to charge for it.

Games with online modes/=/your internet/=/Xbox Live.

Then at best you have to say that the service is one that is fabricated from thin air on Microsoft's end. It would be the equivalent of charging people for accessing the internet just for using Windows as their OS.

No, it isn't. It is a tangible infrastructure/service.In what way is it fabricated?

Your analogy doesn't really hold up either. When you play on Xbox Live, you are playing via their infrastructure. This is not true of the internet. You cannot separate Xbox Live from online play on an Xbox console. However, you can separate the internet from the Windows OS.

That's a whole lot of text considering that so little of it addressed what I said.

There is a simple justification for the fee: MS built the infrascture and thus is entitled to charge for it. It doesn't matter that other companies decide not to. What part of that do you have difficulty understanding?

GreySeal9

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]That's a whole lot of text considering that so little of it addressed what I said.

There is a simple justification for the fee: MS built the infrascture and thus is entitled to charge for it. It doesn't matter that other companies decide not to. What part of that do you have difficulty understanding?

tormentos

Again, just because Sony has made a business decision not to charge doesn't not mean Microsoft is obligated to do the same.

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

No, it isn't. It doesn't matter if you paid for games with online multiplater modes or your internet. Xbox Live is still the infrastructure through which you access online play. MS built this infrastructure and they mantain it, thus they are entitled to charge for it.

Games with online modes/=/your internet/=/Xbox Live.

GreySeal9

Then at best you have to say that the service is one that is fabricated from thin air on Microsoft's end. It would be the equivalent of charging people for accessing the internet just for using Windows as their OS.

No, it isn't. It is a tangible infrastructure/service.In what way is it fabricated?

Your analogy doesn't really hold up either. When you play on Xbox Live, you are playing via their infrastructure. This is not true of the internet. You cannot separate Xbox Live from online play on an Xbox console. However, you can separate the internet from the Windows OS.

Wait, what is this nonsense you're speaking of? Sony built PSN too and Valve did their work with Steam, yet they are free...

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

Then at best you have to say that the service is one that is fabricated from thin air on Microsoft's end. It would be the equivalent of charging people for accessing the internet just for using Windows as their OS.

GamerwillzPS

No, it isn't. It is a tangible infrastructure/service.In what way is it fabricated?

Your analogy doesn't really hold up either. When you play on Xbox Live, you are playing via their infrastructure. This is not true of the internet. You cannot separate Xbox Live from online play on an Xbox console. However, you can separate the internet from the Windows OS.

Wait, what is this nonsense you're speaking of? Sony built PSN too and Valve did their work with Steam, yet they are free...

So what? Sony has made a decision not to charge. That does not mean that MS should be held to any standard to do the same. In a capitalistic society, companies can charge money for things they built.

Then at best you have to say that the service is one that is fabricated from thin air on Microsoft's end. It would be the equivalent of charging people for accessing the internet just for using Windows as their OS.Gxgear

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

No, it isn't. It is a tangible infrastructure/service.In what way is it fabricated?

Your analogy doesn't really hold up either. When you play on Xbox Live, you are playing via their infrastructure. This is not true of the internet. You cannot separate Xbox Live from online play on an Xbox console. However, you can separate the internet from the Windows OS.

GreySeal9

Wait, what is this nonsense you're speaking of? Sony built PSN too and Valve did their work with Steam, yet they are free...

So what? Sony has made a decision not to charge. That does not mean that MS should be held to any standard to do the same. In a capitalistic society, companies can charge money for things they built.

This is true but Microsoft is in no place for competition when other rivals are providing their online services free of charge.

If they continue to charge for XBL in their next Xbox console, they are done. Consumers aren't dumb enough to continue getting ripped off in the next-generation.

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]Then at best you have to say that the service is one that is fabricated from thin air on Microsoft's end. It would be the equivalent of charging people for accessing the internet just for using Windows as their OS.tormentos

Of course they do. How many times do I have to tell you that what other companies are doing is irrelevant?

Again, just because Sony has made a business decision not to charge doesn't not mean Microsoft is obligated to do the same.GreySeal9

Of course they do. How many times do I have to tell you that what other companies are doing is irrelevant? GreySeal9

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="GamerwillzPS"]

Wait, what is this nonsense you're speaking of? Sony built PSN too and Valve did their work with Steam, yet they are free...

GamerwillzPS

So what? Sony has made a decision not to charge. That does not mean that MS should be held to any standard to do the same. In a capitalistic society, companies can charge money for things they built.

This is true but Microsoft is in no place for competition when other rivals are providing their online services free of charge.

If they continue to charge for XBL in their next Xbox console, they are done. Consumers aren't dumb enough to continue getting ripped off in the next-generation.

If charging for online was something that has the potential to harm them, it would have done so by now.

The reality is that the fee is so small that Xbox gamers really have no problem shelling out the money.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]Again, just because Sony has made a business decision not to charge doesn't not mean Microsoft is obligated to do the same.tormentos

So what?

You're certainly entitled to think Live is a joke.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]Again, just because Sony has made a business decision not to charge doesn't not mean Microsoft is obligated to do the same.tormentos

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]Of course they do. How many times do I have to tell you that what other companies are doing is irrelevant? tormentos

There is absolutely no reason for anyone to give out free gas.

If charging for online was something that has the potential to harm them, it would have done so by now.

The reality is that the fee is so small that Xbox gamers really have no problem shelling out the money.

GreySeal9

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]Of course they do. How many times do I have to tell you that what other companies are doing is irrelevant? GreySeal9

There is absolutely no reason for anyone to give out free gas.

So what?

You're certainly entitled to think Live is a joke.

GreySeal9

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

No, it isn't. It doesn't matter if you paid for games with online multiplater modes or your internet. Xbox Live is still the infrastructure through which you access online play. MS built this infrastructure and they mantain it, thus they are entitled to charge for it.

Games with online modes/=/your internet/=/Xbox Live.

GreySeal9

Then at best you have to say that the service is one that is fabricated from thin air on Microsoft's end. It would be the equivalent of charging people for accessing the internet just for using Windows as their OS.

No, it isn't. It is a tangible infrastructure/service.In what way is it fabricated?

Your analogy doesn't really hold up either. When you play on Xbox Live, you are playing via their infrastructure. This is not true of the internet. You cannot separate Xbox Live from online play on an Xbox console. However, you can separate the internet from the Windows OS.

In what way is it tangible? MS doesn't provide the servers (if there's even one and not P2P), and the interface/infrastructure is an obligatory requirement to use the Xbox hardware in the first place (which you paid for).

PC is just one example out of the many (Android, IOS, PS3, Wii, Linux, DS/3DS, PSP/PSV,...), the fact that the internet can be separate from Windows is completely irrelevant because it is a 100% arbitrary, imaginary "line" that you just created to debunk the analogy.

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="2_Quiet_2_Riot"]

Nah....I'm just a consumer who knows better not to get suckered into an extorting gaming service like Live.

http://bitmob.com/articles/xbox-live-gold-the-indispensable-rip-off

2_Quiet_2_Riot

Rip-off/=/extortion, you mouthbreather.

It is technically extortion. You and that numbnut Game21x are double dumbasses for failing to read between the lines and actually understanding what XBL Gold does.

Try harder.

1. You're FORCED into throwing money away for a subscription fee just to GET ONLINE. While others offer a service for FREE. :lol:
2. You buy a $60 game and if you're on Silver, you're basically "robbed and denied the freedom" of playing the online MP feature, FORCING you, the gamer/consumer to fork that $60 Gold fee, just to GET ONLINE TO PLAY MP :lol:
3. If you're on Silver you CANNOT use those movie streaming Apps, because in order to GET TO THOSE APPs, you're FORCED to pay that $60 Gold fee in ADDITION to some Fees required to play those streaming Apps. Other services require NO FEES just to play those multimedia apps. All you have to pay is the required subscription fee for those multimedia Apps :lol:

Now, I don't know what psychotic mindless cloud 9, LaLa land planet you're from, but to me, as a sane person, that's an example of EXTORTION ;)

It seems you 2 dumbasses, direly need to look up the word extortion.

Also try understanding......HOW TO GET ONLINE ON XBL GOLD & WHAT STEPS ARE TO BE MADE TO GET ON XBL GOLD :lol:

It is technically extortion. You and that numbnut Game21x are double dumbasses for failing to read between the lines and actually understanding what XBL Gold does.

Try harder.

1. You're FORCED into throwing money away for a subscription fee just to GET ONLINE. While others offer a service for FREE. :lol:
2. You buy a $60 game and if you're on Silver, you're basically "robbed and denied the freedom" of playing the online MP feature, FORCING you, the gamer/consumer to fork that $60 Gold fee, just to GET ONLINE TO PLAY MP :lol:
3. If you're on Silver you CANNOT use those movie streaming Apps, because in order to GET TO THOSE APPs, you're FORCED to pay that $60 Gold fee in ADDITION to some Fees required to play those streaming Apps. Other services require NO FEES just to play those multimedia apps. All you have to pay is the required subscription fee for those multimedia Apps :lol:

Now, I don't know what psychotic mindless cloud 9, LaLa land planet you're from, but to me, as a sane person, that's an example of EXTORTION ;)

It seems you 2 dumbasses, direly need to look up the word extortion.

Also try understanding......HOW TO GET ONLINE ON XBL GOLD & WHAT STEPS ARE TO BE MADE TO GET ON XBL GOLD :lol:

2_Quiet_2_Riot

[QUOTE="Legendarycr8ter"][QUOTE="2_Quiet_2_Riot"]

It is technically extortion. You and that numbnut Game21x are double dumbasses for failing to read between the lines and actually understanding what XBL Gold does.

Try harder.

1. You're FORCED into throwing money away for a subscription fee just to GET ONLINE. While others offer a service for FREE. :lol:
2. You buy a $60 game and if you're on Silver, you're basically "robbed and denied the freedom" of playing the online MP feature, FORCING you, the gamer/consumer to fork that $60 Gold fee, just to GET ONLINE TO PLAY MP :lol:
3. If you're on Silver you CANNOT use those movie streaming Apps, because in order to GET TO THOSE APPs, you're FORCED to pay that $60 Gold fee in ADDITION to some Fees required to play those streaming Apps. Other services require NO FEES just to play those multimedia apps. All you have to pay is the required subscription fee for those multimedia Apps :lol:

Now, I don't know what psychotic mindless cloud 9, LaLa land planet you're from, but to me, as a sane person, that's an example of EXTORTION ;)

It seems you 2 dumbasses, direly need to look up the word extortion.

Also try understanding......HOW TO GET ONLINE ON XBL GOLD & WHAT STEPS ARE TO BE MADE TO GET ON XBL GOLD :lol:

2_Quiet_2_Riot

Somebody is angry and butthurt over the truth.

Yes it's an OPTIONAL choice to go on Gold. But that's not my point.

My point is to THOSE that actually WANT TO GO online. They are FORCED or NEEDED or REQUIRED to pay XBL Gold, just to play MP. But why? PC-Nintendo-Sony offer it for free.

Nobody gives out free gas. You have to be suspious on that. Oh wait we already had....... Lol PS3 gamer thinking they are something special.

In what way is it tangible? MS doesn't provide the servers (if there's even one and not P2P), and the interface/infrastructure is an obligatory requirement to use the Xbox hardware in the first place (which you paid for).

PC is just one example out of the many (Android, IOS, PS3, Wii, Linux, DS/3DS, PSP/PSV,...), the fact that the internet can be separate from Windows is completely irrelevant because it is a 100% arbitrary, imaginary "line" that you just created to debunk the analogy.Gxgear

Somebody is angry and butthurt over the truth.

Yes it's an OPTIONAL choice to go on Gold. But that's not my point.

My point is to THOSE that actually WANT TO GO online. They are FORCED or NEEDED or REQUIRED to pay XBL Gold, just to play MP. But why? PC-Nintendo-Sony offer it for free.

2_Quiet_2_Riot

The Xbox Live fee is made apparent to anyone who wants to buy an Xbox 360 and yet, people still buy it. More people have bought it than the PS3, even though the PS3's online is free.

Why is that?

Because Xbox Live holds value to those people.

Why do most multiplayer games like Call of Duty still sell much more on the 360 vs the PS3? If the Live fee was as big a rip off as Sony fanboys continuously claim, this wouldn't happen. The gap between the PS3 and 360 isn't even that big anymore so that's not an excuse that applies here.

But my point in all of this is simple. If Xbox Live wasn't valuable to people, for whatever reason, consumers wouldn't keep paying for it. It's not extortion, it never has been and at this rate, it never will be. Get over it, kid. You are not entitled to free online but if you feel you are, buy a PS3 or get a PC (seriously, Nintendo? :lol: no). Obviously, there's a reason people continue to buy the Xbox 360 even though online is free elsewhere.

[QUOTE="2_Quiet_2_Riot"]

Somebody is angry and butthurt over the truth.

Yes it's an OPTIONAL choice to go on Gold. But that's not my point.

My point is to THOSE that actually WANT TO GO online. They are FORCED or NEEDED or REQUIRED to pay XBL Gold, just to play MP. But why? PC-Nintendo-Sony offer it for free.

The_Game21x

The Xbox Live fee is made apparent to anyone who wants to buy an Xbox 360 and yet, people still buy it. More people have bought it than the PS3, even though the PS3's online is free.

Why is that?

Because Xbox Live holds value to those people.

Why do most multiplayer games like Call of Duty still sell much more on the 360 vs the PS3? If the Live fee was as big a rip off as Sony fanboys continuously claim, this wouldn't happen. The gap between the PS3 and 360 isn't even that big anymore so that's not an excuse that applies here.

But my point in all of this is simple. If Xbox Live wasn't valuable to people, for whatever reason, consumers wouldn't keep paying for it. It's not extortion, it never has been and at this rate, it never will be. Get over it, kid. You are not entitled to free online but if you feel you are, buy a PS3 or get a PC (seriously, Nintendo? :lol: no). Obviously, there's a reason people continue to buy the Xbox 360 even though online is free elsewhere.

[QUOTE="2_Quiet_2_Riot"]

Somebody is angry and butthurt over the truth.

Yes it's an OPTIONAL choice to go on Gold. But that's not my point.

My point is to THOSE that actually WANT TO GO online. They are FORCED or NEEDED or REQUIRED to pay XBL Gold, just to play MP. But why? PC-Nintendo-Sony offer it for free.

The_Game21x

The Xbox Live fee is made apparent to anyone who wants to buy an Xbox 360 and yet, people still buy it. More people have bought it than the PS3, even though the PS3's online is free.

Why is that?

Because Xbox Live holds value to those people.

Why do most multiplayer games like Call of Duty still sell much more on the 360 vs the PS3? If the Live fee was as big a rip off as Sony fanboys continuously claim, this wouldn't happen. The gap between the PS3 and 360 isn't even that big anymore so that's not an excuse that applies here.

But my point in all of this is simple. If Xbox Live wasn't valuable to people, for whatever reason, consumers wouldn't keep paying for it. It's not extortion, it never has been and at this rate, it never will be. Get over it, kid. You are not entitled to free online but if you feel you are, buy a PS3 or get a PC (seriously, Nintendo? :lol: no). Obviously, there's a reason people continue to buy the Xbox 360 even though online is free elsewhere.