I am not a hermit but (Edited)

did you notice that your main fanboyish argument against the pc is price but you are on a pc right now that costed you at least $500 add $300 or $400 dollars you spend on consoles to that and you could have a great gaming pc. And a couple hundred every couple of years to keep it updated. isn't that much

Just to point it out. Again i am not a hermit but i do want that fanboyish argument to stop

EDIT: to all of you who say that you can't get a prebuilt gaming pc for 800 bucks the price of your original pc would be more than 500 most of the time if it is prebuilt. So you can get a good gaming pc or even upgrade to get make a good with the extra 300 to 400 dollars that you would spend on the console.

What about the lemmings that claim PC can't do custom soundtracks?

:lol:
kaos-hero

There is no help for them from me, that is beyond my skill level.

What about the lemmings that claim PC can't do custom soundtracks?

:lol:
kaos-hero

Rofl.....Winamp in the background when im playing Warcraft 3.....alt-tab to change songs.

Did someone actually say that? Typical system wars...

[QUOTE="kaos-hero"]What about the lemmings that claim PC can't do custom soundtracks?

:lol:
BobHipJames

Rofl.....Winamp in the background when im playing Warcraft 3.....alt-tab to change songs.

Did someone actually say that? Typical system wars...

its right next to this thread.

[QUOTE="kaos-hero"]What about the lemmings that claim PC can't do custom soundtracks?

:lol:
BobHipJames

Rofl.....Winamp in the background when im playing Warcraft 3.....alt-tab to change songs.

Did someone actually say that? Typical system wars...

You're right, but PC gamers regularly update their systems more frequently than console-gamers do, which can be downright expensive.princeofshapeir

Most people can't afford to upgrade.. and its not like you need too THAT often. I've had this PC for around two years, it plays all the latest games on max settings and i don't have any plans to upgrade anytime soon, there is no need.

[QUOTE="kaos-hero"]What about the lemmings that claim PC can't do custom soundtracks?

:lol:
BobHipJames

Rofl.....Winamp in the background when im playing Warcraft 3.....alt-tab to change songs.

Did someone actually say that? Typical system wars...

You're right, but PC gamers regularly update their systems more frequently than console-gamers do, which can be downright expensive.princeofshapeir

I just received an e-mail from Newegg....$30 on 2 gigs of DDR2 Corsair RAM after rebate.

8800 WTFpwns consoles....so does an 8600....both are within budget range now.

Core 2 Duos are freaking cheap....

Put them together and you have a console....wait five years when the console cycle refreshes, and get yourself a new PC. PC upgrades are entirely up to you, chap. You choose when you want them, what you want, and how much you want to pay.

And you fail to realize that you can't upgrade a console....you can buy cheap proprietary junk, if you like.

Also, I've been playing the same games on my PC for like....a half-decade.

Warcraft 3, Half Life 2, and all associated mods, maps, etc. Both cost me $50, roughly.

On a console, you're left to replaying the same singleplayer mode or WTFPWNING noobs on multiplayer. As appealing as that is, refreshing a ModDB page is like staring into the face of God. $50 goes no farther than on a PC game. Hell, some of the time, you don't even have to buy the game. Free games, free trials, (.pld[palwpl), (opfqkpfkqwpok), and SourceMods that apply only if you have SourceSDK and a Source game.

I've played dozens upon dozens of mods for HL2.

You buy a $60 game, the manufacturer squeezes some more dough out of you, then laughs when you ask for user-created content. To me, that's as pointless and unfulfilling as it is expensive. I can't even imagine buying Condemned 2 or Rock Band, as much as I'd love to.

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

[QUOTE="kaos-hero"]What about the lemmings that claim PC can't do custom soundtracks?

:lol:
General_X

Rofl.....Winamp in the background when im playing Warcraft 3.....alt-tab to change songs.

Did someone actually say that? Typical system wars...

I laughed....out loud. That was the best.

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]You're right, but PC gamers regularly update their systems more frequently than console-gamers do, which can be downright expensive.BobHipJames

I just received an e-mail from Newegg....$30 on 2 gigs of DDR2 Corsair RAM after rebate.

8800 WTFpwns consoles....so does an 8600....both are within budget range now.

Core 2 Duos are freaking cheap....

Put them together and you have a console....wait five years when the console cycle refreshes, and get yourself a new PC. PC upgrades are entirely up to you, chap. You choose when you want them, what you want, and how much you want to pay.

And you fail to realize that you can't upgrade a console....you can buy cheap proprietary junk, if you like.

Also, I've been playing the same games on my PC for like....a half-decade.

Warcraft 3, Half Life 2, and all associated mods, maps, etc. Both cost me $50, roughly.

On a console, you're left to replaying the same singleplayer mode or WTFPWNING noobs on multiplayer. As appealing as that is, refreshing a ModDB page is like staring into the face of God. $50 goes no farther than on a PC game. Hell, some of the time, you don't even have to buy the game. Free games, free trials, (.pld[palwpl), (opfqkpfkqwpok), and SourceMods that apply only if you have SourceSDK and a Source game.

I've played dozens upon dozens of mods for HL2.

You buy a $60 game, the manufacturer squeezes some more dough out of you, then laughs when you ask for user-created content. To me, that's as pointless and unfulfilling as it is expensive. I can't even imagine buying Condemned 2 or Rock Band, as much as I'd love to.

this man said the truth. My new pc, to replace my 5 years old 3 ghz that coudl still play the majority of the game on medium, only cost me 1100$us including the monitor, the os. Without these things, the cost of my pc would have been around 800$us! Now I can play Crysis on high at 34fps with my new shinny 8800gts that cost me 50$more than a 8800gt.

You're right, but PC gamers regularly update their systems more frequently than console-gamers do, which can be downright expensive.princeofshapeir

Pc gaming is expensive to the average joe, especially if you dont shop online, then you`re hit.Imgangsterdawg

Pc gaming is expensive to the average joe, especially if you dont shop online, then you`re hit.Imgangsterdawg

all gaming is expensive

[QUOTE="General_X"][QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

[QUOTE="kaos-hero"]What about the lemmings that claim PC can't do custom soundtracks?

:lol:
BobHipJames

Rofl.....Winamp in the background when im playing Warcraft 3.....alt-tab to change songs.

Did someone actually say that? Typical system wars...

I laughed....out loud. That was the best.

yeah that guy is retarted.

[QUOTE="Imgangsterdawg"]Pc gaming is expensive to the average joe, especially if you dont shop online, then you`re hit.l-_-l

Hi Joe.

I use my PC to play older games, mostly the great RPG's and dungeon crawls of the 90's. I can eat up alot of free time playing real high quality games, and not worry about upgrading or messing around with my PC.

I dont really care much for playing current gen games on PC's. Im not a big fan of KB/M controls in action/shooter games, and random bugs and crashes annoy me. I'm prolly going to get a whole new PC with next years tax return, and depending on whats out for PC then, I may buy a few more modern PC games.

You're right, but PC gamers regularly update their systems more frequently than console-gamers do, which can be downright expensive.princeofshapeir

[QUOTE="Imgangsterdawg"]Pc gaming is expensive to the average joe, especially if you dont shop online, then you`re hit.l-_-l

[QUOTE="princeofshapeir"]You're right, but PC gamers regularly update their systems more frequently than console-gamers do, which can be downright expensive.l-_-l

[QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="Imgangsterdawg"]Pc gaming is expensive to the average joe, especially if you dont shop online, then you`re hit.Imgangsterdawg

I just upgraded , or rather, bought a new PC today. Oh, it has a quad core amd cpu, 3 gig of ram and and ok ATI HD2400 video card, vista, etc, etc.... $750 worth of hardware and its still inferior to my 360 and ps3. It cant even play the demo of COD4 at a decent resolution without it turning into a slide show. I will never use it for gaming.Videodogg

How much was the video card man?

Oh and is it a new install of vista?

[QUOTE="Videodogg"]I just upgraded , or rather, bought a new PC today. Oh, it has a quad core amd cpu, 3 gig of ram and and ok ATI HD2400 video card, vista, etc, etc.... $750 worth of hardware and its still inferior to my 360 and ps3. It cant even play the demo of COD4 at a decent resolution without it turning into a slide show. I will never use it for gaming.MozillaFirefox7

How much was the video card man?

Oh and is it a new install of vista?

Its a pre-built system, fresh install of vista, from Circuit City. I know the video card is a lower end card, but most hermits in here claim 360 or ps3 cant even match a budget pc...and this is not a budget pc.

[QUOTE="Imgangsterdawg"][QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="Imgangsterdawg"]Pc gaming is expensive to the average joe, especially if you dont shop online, then you`re hit.Riki101

[QUOTE="MozillaFirefox7"]

[QUOTE="Videodogg"]I just upgraded , or rather, bought a new PC today. Oh, it has a quad core amd cpu, 3 gig of ram and and ok ATI HD2400 video card, vista, etc, etc.... $750 worth of hardware and its still inferior to my 360 and ps3. It cant even play the demo of COD4 at a decent resolution without it turning into a slide show. I will never use it for gaming.Videodogg

How much was the video card man?

Oh and is it a new install of vista?

Its a pre-built system, fresh install of vista, from Circuit City. I know the video card is a lower end card, but most hermits in here claim 360 or ps3 cant even match a budget pc...and this is not a budget pc.

Its a budget video card....and you dont by PC's from major retail stores, everyone should know that...

with that kind of video card, Im surprised you can even start up COD4.

[QUOTE="MozillaFirefox7"]

[QUOTE="Videodogg"]I just upgraded , or rather, bought a new PC today. Oh, it has a quad core amd cpu, 3 gig of ram and and ok ATI HD2400 video card, vista, etc, etc.... $750 worth of hardware and its still inferior to my 360 and ps3. It cant even play the demo of COD4 at a decent resolution without it turning into a slide show. I will never use it for gaming.Videodogg

How much was the video card man?

Oh and is it a new install of vista?

Its a pre-built system, fresh install of vista, from Circuit City. I know the video card is a lower end card, but most hermits in here claim 360 or ps3 cant even match a budget pc...and this is not a budget pc.

Well what hermits claim and what is actual reality are 2 different things.

360 and PS3 are more powerful then they think compared to lower to med range rigs.

PC gaming is expensive and I think 750$ won't cut it with a prebulit unless you bulit it yourself.

It's all about developer optimization of the said console to make the games shine.

Pop in the game and play

No mucking around with BS or the horrid KB+M which is more suit towards Web and work related programs.

Unless you have the latest video card like the 8800GT or such alot of next gen games will be slide shows.

[QUOTE="MozillaFirefox7"]

[QUOTE="Videodogg"]I just upgraded , or rather, bought a new PC today. Oh, it has a quad core amd cpu, 3 gig of ram and and ok ATI HD2400 video card, vista, etc, etc.... $750 worth of hardware and its still inferior to my 360 and ps3. It cant even play the demo of COD4 at a decent resolution without it turning into a slide show. I will never use it for gaming.Videodogg

How much was the video card man?

Oh and is it a new install of vista?

Its a pre-built system, fresh install of vista, from Circuit City. I know the video card is a lower end card, but most hermits in here claim 360 or ps3 cant even match a budget pc...and this is not a budget pc.

We also say don't buy prebuilt systems... epic fail on your part. You could have easily asked on the PC forum before buying taht id you didn't want to do the research.

What about the lemmings that claim PC can't do custom soundtracks?

:lol:
kaos-hero

that's as bad as can't do hd :lol:

You're right, but PC gamers regularly update their systems more frequently than console-gamers do, which can be downright expensive.princeofshapeir

Intellignet updating is cheaper than getting a console very 5-6 years, if you always need to have the over the top CPU and GPU, then yes, it can get quite expensive.

I just upgraded , or rather, bought a new PC today. Oh, it has a quad core amd cpu, 3 gig of ram and and ok ATI HD2400 video card, vista, etc, etc.... $750 worth of hardware and its still inferior to my 360 and ps3. It cant even play the demo of COD4 at a decent resolution without it turning into a slide show. I will never use it for gaming.Videodogg

So you've gone out and spent $750 on a rig and it cant play COD4 on max settings. Based on this all of what hermits have been saying is BS??

For the same money you could have bought much better components and maybe paid a little exptra for them to set it all up for you at the store. If, you'd have gone for an 8800 you'd be maxing COD4 no probs.

I'm not calling you stupid, lazy or anything like that. I'm saying that for that money you CAN get a system that far exceeds what your consoles can do.

[QUOTE="kaos-hero"]What about the lemmings that claim PC can't do custom soundtracks?

:lol:
imprezawrx500

that's as bad as can't do hd :lol:

It is close. I love it when stupid fanboys try to say that consoles are better because they get some new feature that the pc has had for a decade

What about the lemmings that claim PC can't do custom soundtracks?

:lol:
kaos-hero

Who in their right mind stated that? :lol: Gotta love them fanboys.

did you notice that your main fanboyish argument against the pc is price but you are on a pc right now that costed you at least $500 add $300 or $400 dollars you spend on consoles to that and you could have a great gaming pc. And a couple hundred every couple of years to keep it updated. isn't that much

Just to point it out. Again i am not a hermit but i do want that fanboyish argument to stop

Jacobistheman

Well, first of all, you have no idea how much I spent for my PC, or how much anyone else spent.

Second, it has little to do with price for me. I just can't be bothered to put in the time and energy to research PC hardware and where to find the cheapest parts, make sure of compatibility, then check for driver updates, etc, etc, etc.

I know some people have no problems doing this. Some even enjoy it. I don't. I especially don't care enough to do it for the one PC game a year I feel I absolutely MUST have.

[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"]

did you notice that your main fanboyish argument against the pc is price but you are on a pc right now that costed you at least $500 add $300 or $400 dollars you spend on consoles to that and you could have a great gaming pc. And a couple hundred every couple of years to keep it updated. isn't that much

Just to point it out. Again i am not a hermit but i do want that fanboyish argument to stop

ZIMdoom

Well, first of all, you have no idea how much I spent for my PC, or how much anyone else spent.

Second, it has little to do with price for me. I just can't be bothered to put in the time and energy to research PC hardware and where to find the cheapest parts, make sure of compatibility, then check for driver updates, etc, etc, etc.

I know some people have no problems doing this. Some even enjoy it. I don't. I especially don't care enough to do it for the one PC game a year I feel I absolutely MUST have.

Well i know that you can't get a decent pc for doing anything for under 500 bucks. And i am not making an argument about whether you want to buy a pc but i am saying that it doesn't cost anymore than buying a pc and a gaming console.

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

[QUOTE="kaos-hero"]What about the lemmings that claim PC can't do custom soundtracks?

:lol:
General_X

Rofl.....Winamp in the background when im playing Warcraft 3.....alt-tab to change songs.

Did someone actually say that? Typical system wars...

:lol:

That's as bad as wok7's "PCs can't do HD" statement. One of them also once said that PCs don't have voice chat.

I just upgraded , or rather, bought a new PC today. Oh, it has a quad core amd cpu, 3 gig of ram and and ok ATI HD2400 video card, vista, etc, etc.... $750 worth of hardware and its still inferior to my 360 and ps3. It cant even play the demo of COD4 at a decent resolution without it turning into a slide show. I will never use it for gaming.Videodogg

Well, you should have just gone onto the PC Hardware forum, overclock.net, anandtech, etc. Any one of these forums, where you asked: "I have $750 and want a gaming PC" -- you would have had a multi-post thread telling you not only what to buy, but where to buy.

[QUOTE="Videodogg"][QUOTE="MozillaFirefox7"]

[QUOTE="Videodogg"]I just upgraded , or rather, bought a new PC today. Oh, it has a quad core amd cpu, 3 gig of ram and and ok ATI HD2400 video card, vista, etc, etc.... $750 worth of hardware and its still inferior to my 360 and ps3. It cant even play the demo of COD4 at a decent resolution without it turning into a slide show. I will never use it for gaming.cobrax25

How much was the video card man?

Oh and is it a new install of vista?

Its a pre-built system, fresh install of vista, from Circuit City. I know the video card is a lower end card, but most hermits in here claim 360 or ps3 cant even match a budget pc...and this is not a budget pc.

Its a budget video card....and you dont by PC's from major retail stores, everyone should know that...

with that kind of video card, Im surprised you can even start up COD4.

But here is the thing. Aren't PC gamers always talking as if they are "the average joe"? The averae Joe buys their PC from retail. The average Joe will buy their hardware from retail.

Then you turn around and say, "everyone should know that". No...they don't. Only hardcore PC fans know that. The average Joe believes PC gaming to be more money than consoles because the average Joe is going to go to retail stores. That's just a fact.

But here is the thing. Aren't PC gamers always talking as if they are "the average joe"? The averae Joe buys their PC from retail. The average Joe will buy their hardware from retail. Then you turn around and say, "everyone should know that". No...they don't. Only hardcore PC fans know that. The average Joe believes PC gaming to be more money than consoles because the average Joe is going to go to retail stores. That's just a fact.ZIMdoom

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"][QUOTE="Jacobistheman"]

did you notice that your main fanboyish argument against the pc is price but you are on a pc right now that costed you at least $500 add $300 or $400 dollars you spend on consoles to that and you could have a great gaming pc. And a couple hundred every couple of years to keep it updated. isn't that much

Just to point it out. Again i am not a hermit but i do want that fanboyish argument to stop

Jacobistheman

Well, first of all, you have no idea how much I spent for my PC, or how much anyone else spent.

Second, it has little to do with price for me. I just can't be bothered to put in the time and energy to research PC hardware and where to find the cheapest parts, make sure of compatibility, then check for driver updates, etc, etc, etc.

I know some people have no problems doing this. Some even enjoy it. I don't. I especially don't care enough to do it for the one PC game a year I feel I absolutely MUST have.

Well i know that you can't get a decent pc for doing anything for under 500 bucks. And i am not making an argument about whether you want to buy a pc but i am saying that it doesn't cost anymore than buying a pc and a gaming console.

You said it was fanboyish to act as if PC gaming is more money. Implying that people who play consoles could get a better performing PC for the same price.

yet when someone points out their PC was more money, suddenly there is a milion replies saying, "Don't buy retail" and "you should have gone to these PC dedicated sites" and "you should shop around online and order your hardware from different places and assemble it yourself", etc.

This isn't what the average person is going to do. The average person is going to walk into Best Buy (ie. Retail stores) and look at the price of the 360 and the price of a PC and say consoles are cheaper. The average person isn't going to even KNOW about many of those hardcore PC sites. Hell, the average person might not even know how to assemble a PC themselves.

That is why this "cheap PC" idea is never going to catch on the way hermits hope. Can it be done? Of course, it most definitely CAN be done. But the fact that people know about these sites, and have taken the time to do all the learning and research, already moves them AWAY from being an "average joe". They are already more into the 'hardcore PC" category. They are not just regular games anymore, they are more hardcore because they have done the homework. But I think they need to realize that not everyone is willing or able to do that same level of homework, so their experiences will be different.

In short, I understand that PC gaming can be competitively priced. But I think it is a mistake to assume that because some people who are into PCs can do it for $400 - $500...that must mean that is the real price and anyone who paid more is stupid and shouldn't count.

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]But here is the thing. Aren't PC gamers always talking as if they are "the average joe"? The averae Joe buys their PC from retail. The average Joe will buy their hardware from retail. Then you turn around and say, "everyone should know that". No...they don't. Only hardcore PC fans know that. The average Joe believes PC gaming to be more money than consoles because the average Joe is going to go to retail stores. That's just a fact.Vandalvideo

Thats true. But as you say, it is going to cost more than making it yourself. We've already seen one person post that theirs cost $750 and still didn't come with a very good graphics card.

And that was the whole point of this thread. The idea that People should stop saying that PC gaming costs more compared to consoles. For most of us shlubs...it does.

This isn't what the average person is going to do. The average person is going to walk into Best Buy (ie. Retail stores) and look at the price of the 360 and the price of a PC and say consoles are cheaper. The average person isn't going to even KNOW about many of those hardcore PC sites. Hell, the average person might not even know how to assemble a PC themselves. ZIMdoom

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]But here is the thing. Aren't PC gamers always talking as if they are "the average joe"? The averae Joe buys their PC from retail. The average Joe will buy their hardware from retail. Then you turn around and say, "everyone should know that". No...they don't. Only hardcore PC fans know that. The average Joe believes PC gaming to be more money than consoles because the average Joe is going to go to retail stores. That's just a fact.ZIMdoom

Thats true. But as you say, it is going to cost more than making it yourself. We've already seen one person post that theirs cost $750 and still didn't come with a very good graphics card.

And that was the whole point of this thread. The idea that People should stop saying that PC gaming costs more compared to consoles. For most of us shlubs...it does.

You said it was fanboyish to act as if PC gaming is more money. Implying that people who play consoles could get a better performing PC for the same price.

yet when someone points out their PC was more money, suddenly there is a milion replies saying, "Don't buy retail" and "you should have gone to these PC dedicated sites" and "you should shop around online and order your hardware from different places and assemble it yourself", etc.

This isn't what the average person is going to do. The average person is going to walk into Best Buy (ie. Retail stores) and look at the price of the 360 and the price of a PC and say consoles are cheaper. The average person isn't going to even KNOW about many of those hardcore PC sites. Hell, the average person might not even know how to assemble a PC themselves.

That is why this "cheap PC" idea is never going to catch on the way hermits hope. Can it be done? Of course, it most definitely CAN be done. But the fact that people know about these sites, and have taken the time to do all the learning and research, already moves them AWAY from being an "average joe". They are already more into the 'hardcore PC" category. They are not just regular games anymore, they are more hardcore because they have done the homework. But I think they need to realize that not everyone is willing or able to do that same level of homework, so their experiences will be different.

In short, I understand that PC gaming can be competitively priced. But I think it is a mistake to assume that because some people who are into PCs can do it for $400 - $500...that must mean that is the real price and anyone who paid more is stupid and shouldn't count.

ZIMdoom

Are you implying PC gamers on SW have ever suggested for anyone to buy their PCs from retailers? I don't think we just suddenly started suggesting users to buy PCs from "PC dedicated sites", or having them put it together themselves. Instead, this is precisely how we have been suggesting people on these boards to go ahead and purchase PCs if they are genuinely interested in the medium, but are worried about cost.

As for the average Joe. I would suspect that the average Joe does not frequent System Wars, and if he does, then I would consider them to be somewhat of an educated consumer. One who would also not walk into a Circuit City and purcahse a HDTV based on the salesman in the store. Instead someone who visits a website like AVSForum, and asks for advice, or reads up on Consumer Reports. JUST as an Average Joe should be asking PC Gamers for help, instead of purchasing what appears to be a "sale" on a good PC at a local brick and mortar store -- which instead is actually just a marketing ploy, in which they just got owned.

Buying a good Gaming PC is just as hard as buying a Good LCD. You get what you pay for. However, you also reap a lot of extras, if you ask experts on what to buy.

And I'm not going to deny that PC gaming costs more upfront. This is one of the sad externalities of PC gaming. HOWEVER, that does not neccesarily mean that the PC is "more expensive" than console gaming. While the PC in some cases can be as cheap as 200 dollars more than consoles, you can easily negate that price over a longer, extended period of time thanks to cheaper games and free online among other money saving ammenities. You wouldn't even need to buy 10 games over five years to negate the costs of most PCs on consoles.Vandalvideo

The only thing that bothers me (other than this being the 100th PC cost thread in a week) is that a PC gaming experience isn't standard. Everyone has a different experience, a different level of knowledge, and a different level of willingness to do the research. Therefore, some will have a high-end gaming rig for cheap, while others will pay more money.

But despite this, as soon as one person finds a way to make a high-end rig for $400, they come here declaring "PCs being more expensive than consoles is a myth, so STFU and stop saying it!" Nobody denies that this is possible. It just isn't everybody's experience. And while a cheap gaming rig is a reality for some hardcore PC users, it isn't the experience that someone like me will have. Like I've already admitted, if and when I update my PC, I probably will not do any more than the most basic shopping around. Hell, I will most likely just buy old used parts from by brother who is more PC than I am. I don't game on my PC enough to care. And no amount of "you are stupid if you don't know everything about PCs" is going to make me care any more.

Frankly, I just find it insulting that somehow my experiences, or the experience of others on this forum who spend more on a PC than a console, are attacked as being fanboys, liars, or spreading "myths" because a PC expert was able to do better. It is insulting that the hardcore PC users can't respect or understand why people have these so-called "myths" in the first place.

Are you implying PC gamers on SW have ever suggested for anyone to buy their PCs from retailers? I don't think we just suddenly started suggesting users to buy PCs from "PC dedicated sites", or having them put it together themselves. Instead, this is precisely how we have been suggesting people on these boards to go ahead and purchase PCs if they are genuinely interested in the medium, but are worried about cost.

As for the average Joe. I would suspect that the average Joe does not frequent System Wars, and if he does, then I would consider them to be somewhat of an educated consumer. One who would also not walk into a Circuit City and purcahse a HDTV based on the salesman in the store. Instead someone who visits a website like AVSForum, and asks for advice, or reads up on Consumer Reports. JUST as an Average Joe should be asking PC Gamers for help, instead of purchasing what appears to be a "sale" on a good PC at a local brick and mortar store -- which instead is actually just a marketing ploy, in which they just got owned.

Buying a good Gaming PC is just as hard as buying a Good LCD. You get what you pay for. However, you also reap a lot of extras, if you ask experts on what to buy.

rimnet00

I agree that SW is not the average gamer.

I would also agree that buying any good product for the best possible price requires a certain level of effort. But you actually have to care and be interested in that product in the first place. I researched a great LCD faltscreen and got an amazing deal at Best Buy in early December. Even at the peak of their holiday and boxing day sales, the price was never as good as the sale I managed to grab.

However as I said, for someone like myself who isn't interested in most PC games, console gaming offers both the easiest and cheapest hassle-free gaming experience. I don't have that initial interest in PCs. I work all day on a PC. 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. On weekends I use my home PC for writing. When I want to play games, not only are my main interests on console, but I just need to get away from the PC. I don't speak for anyone other than myself, although despite being a "hardcore" console gamer, I am only the "average Joe" when it comes to PCs.

The average Joe believes PC gaming to be more money than consoles because the average Joe is going to go to retail stores. That's just a fact.ZIMdoom

That fact is precisely what makes it a misconception that PC gaming is so expensive. It is, when you go by the most expensive route, which in this case is buying one of those retail "gaming PCs", which all include things you won't need or ever use and sell parts at their highest possible prices.

That applies to anything. If you wanted to buy a PS2 at this point, wouldn't you check eBay as opposed to a retail store?

And you don't give the "average joe" enough credit. Many of them nowadays, with the Internet as popular and informational as it is, do research before shelling out money. They're all over the forums.

What about the lemmings that claim PC can't do custom soundtracks?

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