I am not a hermit but (Edited)

[QUOTE="rimnet00"]

Are you implying PC gamers on SW have ever suggested for anyone to buy their PCs from retailers? I don't think we just suddenly started suggesting users to buy PCs from "PC dedicated sites", or having them put it together themselves. Instead, this is precisely how we have been suggesting people on these boards to go ahead and purchase PCs if they are genuinely interested in the medium, but are worried about cost.

As for the average Joe. I would suspect that the average Joe does not frequent System Wars, and if he does, then I would consider them to be somewhat of an educated consumer. One who would also not walk into a Circuit City and purcahse a HDTV based on the salesman in the store. Instead someone who visits a website like AVSForum, and asks for advice, or reads up on Consumer Reports. JUST as an Average Joe should be asking PC Gamers for help, instead of purchasing what appears to be a "sale" on a good PC at a local brick and mortar store -- which instead is actually just a marketing ploy, in which they just got owned.

Buying a good Gaming PC is just as hard as buying a Good LCD. You get what you pay for. However, you also reap a lot of extras, if you ask experts on what to buy.

ZIMdoom

I agree that SW is not the average gamer.

I would also agree that buying any good product for the best possible price requires a certain level of effort. But you actually have to care and be interested in that product in the first place. I researched a great LCD faltscreen and got an amazing deal at Best Buy in early December. Even at the peak of their holiday and boxing day sales, the price was never as good as the sale I managed to grab.

However as I said, for someone like myself who isn't interested in most PC games, console gaming offers both the easiest and cheapest hassle-free gaming experience. I don't have that initial interest in PCs. I work all day on a PC. 8 hours a day, 5 days a week. On weekends I use my home PC for writing. When I want to play games, not only are my main interests on console, but I just need to get away from the PC. I don't speak for anyone other than myself, although despite being a "hardcore" console gamer, I am only the "average Joe" when it comes to PCs.

A very fair response. However, in this situation it sounds to me as though PC gaming is not for you -- regardless of cost. On the flip side, there are people on these boards who appear to be interested in what PC gaming has to offer, but are soley turned off by the price. When in reality, we are giving them options for getting a gaming PC for less then they think they can get one for. In essense, showing them that PC gaming can be cheap. "Can" being the important verb here, as PC gaming "can" also be expensive, with one of the expensive routes being purchasing a PC at whim at a brick and mortar.

I guess in conclusion, it seems that many times those whom are for or against the "Cheap Gaming PC" argument are coming to the discussion with two different angles, which in essense are two different arguments all together at the root.

[QUOTE="kaos-hero"]What about the lemmings that claim PC can't do custom soundtracks?

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Stevo_the_gamer

yesterday lol

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="kaos-hero"]What about the lemmings that claim PC can't do custom soundtracks?

:lol:
Franko_3

yesterday lol

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]The average Joe believes PC gaming to be more money than consoles because the average Joe is going to go to retail stores. That's just a fact.Zeliard9

That fact is precisely what makes it a misconception that PC gaming is so expensive. It is, when you go by the most expensive route, which in this case is buying one of those retail "gaming PCs", which all include things you won't need or ever use and sell parts at their highest possible prices.

That applies to anything. If you wanted to buy a PS2 at this point, wouldn't you check eBay as opposed to a retail store?

And you don't give the "average joe" enough credit. Many of them nowadays, with the Internet as popular and informational as it is, do research before shelling out money. They're all over the forums.

You may be right. I am becoming more of an old timer and not part of the generation currently growing up inbedded in PC technology. And I agree that PC gaming is not for me. That is mainly why I enter these threads on the side of other console gamers who LOVE consoles but aren't interested in PCs. There is this idea that all gamers should automatically love and play PC games if they want to be considered real gamers. I disagree.

As for whether or not I would check Ebay for a PS2 at this point? No, I wouldn't. I love the PS2 and still have my original launch unit. If it were to die today, I would just grab my coat, go to Walmart, and grab a new one and immediately bring it home.

[QUOTE="l-_-l"][QUOTE="Imgangsterdawg"]Pc gaming is expensive to the average joe, especially if you dont shop online, then you`re hit.Imgangsterdawg

See what I did there. ;)

did you notice that your main fanboyish argument against the pc is price but you are on a pc right now that costed you at least $500 add $300 or $400 dollars you spend on consoles to that and you could have a great gaming pc. And a couple hundred every couple of years to keep it updated. isn't that much

Just to point it out. Again i am not a hermit but i do want that fanboyish argument to stop

Jacobistheman

Well, I can build a internet PC for $200, to get on these forums and post, while a slick gaming system is at least 3X that.

If I want to play Crysis, make it 5 - 10x that.

Not bashing PC gaming, PC gaming is great (except the hackers...damned hackers) but it is no where near as cost effective as console gaming, not to mention the drizzle of quality titles.

[QUOTE="Jacobistheman"]

did you notice that your main fanboyish argument against the pc is price but you are on a pc right now that costed you at least $500 add $300 or $400 dollars you spend on consoles to that and you could have a great gaming pc. And a couple hundred every couple of years to keep it updated. isn't that much

Just to point it out. Again i am not a hermit but i do want that fanboyish argument to stop

tbolt76

Well, I can build a internet PC for $200, to get on these forums and post, while a slick gaming system is at least 3X that.

If I want to play Crysis, make it 5 - 10x that.

Not bashing PC gaming, PC gaming is great (except the hackers...damned hackers) but it is no where near as cost effective as console gaming, not to mention the drizzle of quality titles.

But you didn't, a $200 pc is almost impossible unless you use 5 year old components and you run linux(which is sweet)

[QUOTE="ZIMdoom"]This isn't what the average person is going to do. The average person is going to walk into Best Buy (ie. Retail stores) and look at the price of the 360 and the price of a PC and say consoles are cheaper. The average person isn't going to even KNOW about many of those hardcore PC sites. Hell, the average person might not even know how to assemble a PC themselves. Vandalvideo

Don't forget Mods Vandal especially full conversions, random people out there in internet land make your games better, upgrade them with new items areas/maps etc and sometimes give you entire new games all for free giving you much more replay value from your games. (if you have the original but then it makes the purchase of the original game even more enticing as you can basically get 2 or more games for the price of one). This is a big factor imo as not only are the games generally cheaper from retail but you usually get alot more on top of that.

8800 WTFpwns consoles....so does an 8600....both are within budget range now.

BobHipJames

:lol:

[QUOTE="BobHipJames"]

8800 WTFpwns consoles....so does an 8600....both are within budget range now.

thecasualnoob

:lol:

Ugh they do. He said a 8600, that means either the 8600gt or the 8600gts. The 8600gts is more powerful then a console.