I am starting to realize that Sony's worst mistake hasn't even happened yet

At first, I thought that Sony made the worst mistake in the history of gaming by adding blu-ray to the PS3, delaying the crap out of the system, and then making it cost $600. In fact, it probably was the worst mistake in the history of gaming. But in terms of the PS3, I am starting to see that possibly Sony's worst mistake is letting holidays 2007 go completely to Microsoft, with nary even a fight.

Since games take years to develop, and we all know how cocky Sony was about the PS3 (see: numerous insanely arrogant comments by Sony "People will work to save up for PS3" etc etc), when they launched the PS3 they probably assumed that by holidays 2007 they would already have overtaken the 360 and become the market leader. They probably assumed that all they had to do was coast through the holidays, with nothing to worry about from the 360, thanks mostly to Sony's massive propaganda campaign. However, as we all know, this has not happened, and now Sony is left with almost painful gaming drought from August 2007 until spring 2008, or whenever the "heavy hitters" drop on the market (minus probable low-AA games like Uncharted and a few others).

Meanwhile, Microsoft took the intiative and are making holidays 2007 one of the most ridiculously awesome gaming times for any console ever- starting from July 2007 until the holidays, I will literally not be able to afford all of the AAA exclusives and other amazing games (i.e. the superior version of multi-plats, as always is the case) that are coming to the 360.

In conclusion, Sony has made possibly the WORSE decision ever in letting holidays 2007 completely go to the 360 (and Wii), with barely even putting up a fight. They really should have planned better for his holidays, and are now allowing the 360 to brutalize them in games and consoles for the second holidays in a row. Need I remind you that the holidays (not spring!) of each year have the highest sales of the year. The 360 is simply going to widen the gap EVEN MORE than it already is going into 2008, and developers will certainly take note, which will translate ultimately into consumers getting the best deal from the 360. The release of 3-4 "heavy hitting" spring 2008 PS3 titles will not matter by the time this gap is wide enough, and the PS3 will begin to visibly go down in flames. Thoughts?

How many anti-PS3 threads is this for you in the past 2 days? 4? You hate the PS3 we get it.DeathIsARight

How many anti-PS3 threads is this for you in the past 2 days? 4? You hate the PS3 we get it.DeathIsARight

This is system wars. If you don't like it, go hang out in the PS3 forum. Also, even though many of you may not agree with me, you have to admit that I make compelling arguments about the PS3. In fact, you do not see me making blind moronic anti-PS3 flame- my stuff is at least thought out and basically always true. I am probably one of the smartest posters on system wars.

Do you not agree that letting holidays 2007 completely go to MS and the Wii is a huge mistake? Sony doesn't exactly have a lot of room to play around here.

Christ man, why do you create so many PS3 bashing threads? I swear this is like the 3rd I see in less than a week.

It's ok to let out a bit of your frustration because you don't own one but this can't be good for your sanity. :shock:
rko07

Am I any worse than posters like Renegade, who literally make 1000s of baseless, illogical arguments every day? At least my posts are true, and well thought out.

[QUOTE="DeathIsARight"]How many anti-PS3 threads is this for you in the past 2 days? 4? You hate the PS3 we get it.accameron

This is system wars. If you don't like it, go hang out in the PS3 forum. Also, even though many of you may not agree with me, you have to admit that I make compelling arguments about the PS3. In fact, you do not see me making blind moronic anti-PS3 flame- my stuff is at least thought out and basically always true. I am probably one of the smartest posters on system wars.

Do you not agree that letting holidays 2007 completely go to MS and the Wii is a huge mistake? Sony doesn't exactly have a lot of room to play around here.

I am not the one getting laughed at here, I am not the only one a little but tired of your constant PS3 bashing threads. WHy not post about something else and give it a rest?

[QUOTE="rko07"]Christ man, why do you create so many PS3 bashing threads? I swear this is like the 3rd I see in less than a week.

It's ok to let out a bit of your frustration because you don't own one but this can't be good for your sanity. :shock:
accameron

Am I any worse than posters like Renegade, who literally make 1000s of baseless, illogical arguments every day? At least my posts are true, and well thought out.

And anti-ps3 and posted in a row. Bashing threads of any kind get old after a while.

I think just having a $400 system out there with a ton of great games should do the ps3 just fine this holiday in the eyes of playstation fans that might be caught up with the ps2. The game library is going to be great overall. Maybe the "system sellers" are best served for different times of the year for the ps3 in particular because it is the most expensive system , at least on the surface level. They are going to need powerful games to sell a $400 - $500 system in non-holiday months. Games like MGS4 can provide that. I am not really sure what else the ps3 is really going to have the first half of the year but they could use a couple of more big exclusives to go along with MGS4.

[QUOTE="DeathIsARight"]How many anti-PS3 threads is this for you in the past 2 days? 4? You hate the PS3 we get it.accameron

This is system wars. If you don't like it, go hang out in the PS3 forum. Also, even though many of you may not agree with me, you have to admit that I make compelling arguments about the PS3. In fact, you do not see me making blind moronic anti-PS3 flame- my stuff is at least thought out and basically always true. I am probably one of the smartest posters on system wars.

Do you not agree that letting holidays 2007 completely go to MS and the Wii is a huge mistake? Sony doesn't exactly have a lot of room to play around here.

How many anti-PS3 threads is this for you in the past 2 days? 4? You hate the PS3 we get it.DeathIsARight

/Dr. Evil voice

Seriously, I completely agree with the topic starter. Sony has now lost the most lucrative season for the second time in a row. Riding high on Halo 3, 360 isn't even finished yet. Mass Effect in November, and superior versions of many AAA-aniticipated multi-plats will round out the year. Then it's more awesome exclusives for '08, such as BK 3, NG 2, Fable 2, Ninja Gaiden 2, Halo Wars, Splinter Cell: Conviction...whew. And imagine all the unannounced big hitters MS is waiting to show off for next year...that sales gap will just widen and widen and will never be filled.

[QUOTE="DeathIsARight"]How many anti-PS3 threads is this for you in the past 2 days? 4? You hate the PS3 we get it.B1ACK_MAGE

Yeah now when i enter a thread I see the cooking mama pic , look at the name and automatically know that this is just gonna be another anti-PS3 thread WE GET IT, YOU HATE THE PS3 , although you are supporting your system quite well :)

[QUOTE="accameron"]

[QUOTE="DeathIsARight"]How many anti-PS3 threads is this for you in the past 2 days? 4? You hate the PS3 we get it.farrell2k

I am probably one of the smartest posters on system wars.

Let's see what yor sin is. Hmmmm. I know. I know. It's PRIDE! :)

Oh, by the way, you did make good points with your post, Sony is just out of touch with reality with the PS3.

I know, I was kidding. There are probably some people here who are WAY smarter than me. But there are others that are not. ;)

[QUOTE="B1ACK_MAGE"][QUOTE="DeathIsARight"]How many anti-PS3 threads is this for you in the past 2 days? 4? You hate the PS3 we get it.Roushrsh

Yeah now when i enter a thread I see the cooking mama pic , look at the name and automatically know that this is just gonna be another anti-PS3 thread WE GET IT, YOU HATE THE PS3 , although you are supporting your system quite well :)

Thanks dude. I appreciate it. :D

[QUOTE="rko07"]Christ man, why do you create so many PS3 bashing threads? I swear this is like the 3rd I see in less than a week.

It's ok to let out a bit of your frustration because you don't own one but this can't be good for your sanity. :shock:
accameron

Am I any worse than posters like Renegade, who literally make 1000s of baseless, illogical arguments every day? At least my posts are true, and well thought out.

[QUOTE="Roushrsh"]

[QUOTE="B1ACK_MAGE"][QUOTE="DeathIsARight"]How many anti-PS3 threads is this for you in the past 2 days? 4? You hate the PS3 we get it.accameron

Yeah now when i enter a thread I see the cooking mama pic , look at the name and automatically know that this is just gonna be another anti-PS3 thread WE GET IT, YOU HATE THE PS3 , although you are supporting your system quite well :)

Thanks dude. I appreciate it. :D

Thats was a half compliment... ;)

[QUOTE="accameron"]

[QUOTE="rko07"]Christ man, why do you create so many PS3 bashing threads? I swear this is like the 3rd I see in less than a week.

It's ok to let out a bit of your frustration because you don't own one but this can't be good for your sanity. :shock:
rko07

Am I any worse than posters like Renegade, who literally make 1000s of baseless, illogical arguments every day? At least my posts are true, and well thought out.

SSBB and SMG aren't released yet either, gotta have some games come november. No telling if Uncharted, Folklore, R&C and Haze will do well. The season rides on them.

Let's wait. Thanks, that's only the millionth time I've heard that. :lol:V_Isle

Who said lets wait?

because we all now teh ps3 has no teh games :cry: is valid argument. Don't flame people and try to be polite and non-inflamatory. I saw no valid points in that post, none at all. Just PS3 bashing and claiming they had no good games. Hardly something to counter, as this has been said only about a TRILLION times in the past month.DeathIsARight

Well, I did make some points, and you could have tried to argue, but oh well. I have never said that the PS3 is incapable of having good games. I am sure that eventually it will start doing ok in that regard. My point in this thread is that Sony is letting this holidays slip big, and also keep in mind that in this business companies plan especially for the holidays for YEARS in advance. Sony letting such a crucial holiday go (one year into its life) will likely be seen as textbook "what not to do" in the videogame industry. They should have had a solid holidays plan in place much more than a year before its actual launch.

Is that a serious question? The waiting argument is as common as cows disgusing themselves as manticores or hermits...

Oh, wait..

Let's wait. Thanks, that's only the millionth time I've heard that. :lol:V_Isle

You fail to mention the new price drop. But im sure you just think its a desperate attempt right? it's hard to take your posts seriously when you say things like "worst decision in gaming history". All of your posts just exaggerate every flaw in the PS3. Sony is not in the same position as the previous "failures". They have been very sucessful and have much deeper pockets then their counterparts. Still not one killer app has come out, but there is still this huge competition, and constant "war". The system isn't going anywhere. You act like it wasn't a "huge" mistake to make a console with such horrible failure rates, or a console that pissed off a lot of hardcore gamers. It's like your PS2 killed your little brother and you are out for revenge. You say try to make posts unbiased, but your poorly disguised trolling isn't fooling anyone

[QUOTE="V_Isle"]Let's wait. Thanks, that's only the millionth time I've heard that. :lol:rko07

However, a console war CAN be decided after TWO consecutive holiday seasons. Sony is dropping the ball on holidays 2007, after a very solid holidays 2006 for the 360.

You do know that people last year said the same thing about 2007.....

[QUOTE="DeathIsARight"]because we all now teh ps3 has no teh games :cry: is valid argument. Don't flame people and try to be polite and non-inflamatory. I saw no valid points in that post, none at all. Just PS3 bashing and claiming they had no good games. Hardly something to counter, as this has been said only about a TRILLION times in the past month.accameron

Well, I did make some points, and you could have tried to argue, but oh well. I have never said that the PS3 is incapable of having good games. I am sure that eventually it will start doing ok in that regard. My point in this thread is that Sony is letting this holidays slip big, and also keep in mind that in this business companies plan especially for the holidays for YEARS in advance. Sony letting such a crucial holiday go (one year into its life) will likely be seen as textbook "what not to do" in the videogame industry. They should have had a solid holidays plan in place much more than a year before its actual launch.

[QUOTE="rko07"][QUOTE="V_Isle"]Let's wait. Thanks, that's only the millionth time I've heard that. :lol:accameron

However, a console war CAN be decided after TWO consecutive holiday seasons. Sony is dropping the ball on holidays 2007, after a very solid holidays 2006 for the 360.

which the same could be said for all of 2008 for MS.

it has everything to do with being cocky - they're playing dead and planning to rebrand in the spring (came from tgs, not my speculation). this is the strategy of a cocky company that thinks their upcoming lineup is in 08 is strong enough that they can just skulk about and wait for it to roll out.

they're wrong - just like they have been with every strategy they've attempted this gen more or less. they've seriously neglected the possible strength of the Wii and 360, and they've foolishly assumed that developers will stand behind them solely based on them being a gateway to money in the past. problem is business always flocks to money, it's not a personal relationship - there is hardly ever any notion of attachment or pride (except for some japanese studios, which are slowly changing their ways).

anyways - long story short Sony is screwed, and IMO it's past due.

[QUOTE="rko07"][QUOTE="V_Isle"]Let's wait. Thanks, that's only the millionth time I've heard that. :lol:accameron

However, a console war CAN be decided after TWO consecutive holiday seasons. Sony is dropping the ball on holidays 2007, after a very solid holidays 2006 for the 360.

The only reason the 360 had a solid holiday 06 was because Gears of War was exclusive to the 360..MS was at about the same point in terms of total sales as Sony is right now..then Gears came out, and 4 million systems sold through winter. I think if sony can hit 6.5-7 million sold systems by Jan 2008, they will be satisfied. Cause after that, its one big game after another.

[QUOTE="V_Isle"]Let's wait. Thanks, that's only the millionth time I've heard that. :lol:rko07

[QUOTE="DeathIsARight"]because we all now teh ps3 has no teh games :cry: is valid argument. Don't flame people and try to be polite and non-inflamatory. I saw no valid points in that post, none at all. Just PS3 bashing and claiming they had no good games. Hardly something to counter, as this has been said only about a TRILLION times in the past month.accameron

Well, I did make some points, and you could have tried to argue, but oh well. I have never said that the PS3 is incapable of having good games. I am sure that eventually it will start doing ok in that regard. My point in this thread is that Sony is letting this holidays slip big, and also keep in mind that in this business companies plan especially for the holidays for YEARS in advance. Sony letting such a crucial holiday go (one year into its life) will likely be seen as textbook "what not to do" in the videogame industry. They should have had a solid holidays plan in place much more than a year before its actual launch.

Not a fight? I don't call releasing a $399 system with Spiderman 3 and huge movie not a fight. Sony isn't going away easily. But I am not willing to say they have nothing until I see how Haze, Folklore, Uncharted, R&C do. If they bomb sony is in trouble, but I don't think they all will. Assassins creed and SvR is out there as well and I love SvR a lot. I just want to see those games before I count the PS3 out for the year. If the 399 comes out soon and those games do well and Sony advertises well Sony will be fine, if not they are screwed until 2008.

I would be willing to wait longer than cows because I never planned on the PS3 being my only console, I still want a Wii and a good PC...So with TP, SPM, SMG and some good PC games like Bioshock and soon Gears I should be ok for a while. Resistance and R&C with Elder Scrolls and SvR will do me fine until GTA and MGS come out by March. My concern is that the Wii doesn't have enough in 2008 to hold off a 360 and PS3 full out attack.

However, a console war CAN be decided after TWO consecutive holiday seasons. Sony is dropping the ball on holidays 2007, after a very solid holidays 2006 for the 360.

accameron

[QUOTE="accameron"]

[QUOTE="rko07"][QUOTE="V_Isle"]Let's wait. Thanks, that's only the millionth time I've heard that. :lol:Kahuna_1

However, a console war CAN be decided after TWO consecutive holiday seasons. Sony is dropping the ball on holidays 2007, after a very solid holidays 2006 for the 360.

The only reason the 360 had a solid holiday 06 was because Gears of War was exclusive to the 360..MS was at about the same point in terms of total sales as Sony is right now..then Gears came out, and 4 million systems sold through winter. I think if sony can hit 6.5-7 million sold systems by Jan 2008, they will be satisfied. Cause after that, its one big game after another.

It is possible the PS3 could get to 8 million worldwide by January after a good holiday..But only if some titles hold up.

You fail to mention the new price drop. But im sure you just think its a desperate attempt right? it's hard to take your posts seriously when you say things like "worst decision in gaming history". All of your posts just exaggerate every flaw in the PS3. Sony is not in the same position as the previous "failures". They have been very sucessful and have much deeper pockets then their counterparts. Still not one killer app has come out, but there is still this huge competition, and constant "war". The system isn't going anywhere. You act like it wasn't a "huge" mistake to make a console with such horrible failure rates, or a console that pissed off a lot of hardcore gamers. It's like your PS2 killed your little brother and you are out for revenge. You say try to make posts unbiased, but your poorly disguised trolling isn't fooling anyone

legendbyname

Next time I will make a thread about puppies and flowers then, to make you happy. OK?

And yes, Sony has possibly made some of the worst decisions in video game history with the PS3. And I am especially taking into account the fact that they have been so dominant for the last two generations- they should know better. And regarding the price drop, yes it will probably sell some systems, but again Microsoft will just drop the price, again, and we will be in the same price difference as before. Just this time, the 360's price will be very close to that market-friendly "$200" range, that somehow always manages to make console sales really take off. $400 is still a lot of money for a console that is in a generation that is now entering it's THIRD YEAR (I am counting when the 360 launched as next-gen- if the PS3 had launched without blu ray, it probably could have released at the same time as the 360).

[QUOTE="accameron"]

However, a console war CAN be decided after TWO consecutive holiday seasons. Sony is dropping the ball on holidays 2007, after a very solid holidays 2006 for the 360.

rko07

Those were good games, how much more did the Wii have?

[QUOTE="accameron"]

[QUOTE="rko07"][QUOTE="V_Isle"]Let's wait. Thanks, that's only the millionth time I've heard that. :lol:legendbyname

However, a console war CAN be decided after TWO consecutive holiday seasons. Sony is dropping the ball on holidays 2007, after a very solid holidays 2006 for the 360.

which the same could be said for all of 2008 for MS.

Oh, nevermind whatever I said before- you are right! Microsoft is letting all of 2008 go!! :shock:

[QUOTE="rko07"]Christ man, why do you create so many PS3 bashing threads? I swear this is like the 3rd I see in less than a week.

It's ok to let out a bit of your frustration because you don't own one but this can't be good for your sanity. :shock:
accameron

Am I any worse than posters like Renegade, who literally make 1000s of baseless, illogical arguments every day? At least my posts are true, and well thought out.

So, your opinions are now true? Yes, well thought out indeed.

[QUOTE="accameron"]

[QUOTE="rko07"][QUOTE="V_Isle"]Let's wait. Thanks, that's only the millionth time I've heard that. :lol:legendbyname

However, a console war CAN be decided after TWO consecutive holiday seasons. Sony is dropping the ball on holidays 2007, after a very solid holidays 2006 for the 360.

which the same could be said for all of 2008 for MS.

Just so people know, the reason sony is doing what its doing is because of what happened with PS2. With that console, they coasted by for a long time on third party support for thier console. Just to name a few, SSX, Red Faction (actually good shooter on console), Devil May Cry, Metal Gear Solid, and the big Grand Theft Auto III. I listed all those early made titles because we are in a similar position this holiday season as they were then.

The problem is that the tables turned and Sony wasnt as ready for first party games to be released, and since the 360 was out before PS3 all the third party support went to them so they could make money. 3rd part for Microsoft, Dead Rising, Bioshock, Dead or Alive 4, Call of Duty 2, Elder Scrolls IV, GRAW. While Elder Scrolls eventually came to PS3, Im counting it as 360 since thats where the main support was and is, plus it was on the console much longer with a bigger effect.

So far, Sony is up a creak without a Paddle for this year.

[QUOTE="legendbyname"]

You fail to mention the new price drop. But im sure you just think its a desperate attempt right? it's hard to take your posts seriously when you say things like "worst decision in gaming history". All of your posts just exaggerate every flaw in the PS3. Sony is not in the same position as the previous "failures". They have been very sucessful and have much deeper pockets then their counterparts. Still not one killer app has come out, but there is still this huge competition, and constant "war". The system isn't going anywhere. You act like it wasn't a "huge" mistake to make a console with such horrible failure rates, or a console that pissed off a lot of hardcore gamers. It's like your PS2 killed your little brother and you are out for revenge. You say try to make posts unbiased, but your poorly disguised trolling isn't fooling anyone

accameron

Next time I will make a thread about puppies and flowers then, to make you happy. OK?

And yes, Sony has possibly made some of the worst decisions in video game history with the PS3. And I am especially taking into account the fact that they have been so dominant for the last two generations- they should know better. And regarding the price drop, yes it will probably sell some systems, but again Microsoft will just drop the price, again, and we will be in the same price difference as before. Just this time, the 360's price will be very close to that market-friendly "$200" range, that somehow always manages to make console sales really take off. $400 is still a lot of money for a console that is in a generation that is now entering it's THIRD YEAR (I am counting when the 360 launched as next-gen- if the PS3 had launched without blu ray, it probably could have released at the same time as the 360).

The PS3 is far from the biggest mistake, in fact its not! The price was the mistake and they have fixed that. The first difference was 200 between the 2, MS lowering the price would make it 100 not 200. MS isn't going to do that as they already lowered it once this year. A system can sell fine at 399 and is not too much, look at the 360's 1.1 million sold in December of last year for proof of that.

[QUOTE="accameron"]

[QUOTE="rko07"][QUOTE="V_Isle"]Let's wait. Thanks, that's only the millionth time I've heard that. :lol:Kahuna_1

However, a console war CAN be decided after TWO consecutive holiday seasons. Sony is dropping the ball on holidays 2007, after a very solid holidays 2006 for the 360.

The only reason the 360 had a solid holiday 06 was because Gears of War was exclusive to the 360..MS was at about the same point in terms of total sales as Sony is right now..then Gears came out, and 4 million systems sold through winter. I think if sony can hit 6.5-7 million sold systems by Jan 2008, they will be satisfied. Cause after that, its one big game after another.

Whatever reason it was, the fact is that the 360 had a very good holidays 2006. You can't take away from the 360 for that.

Dumb, huh? Kinda like pissing away $600 on a console with no good exclusives a year after launch? I never had to wait for my 360 to get good titles..in fact I can barely keep up! I remember when Motorstorm, Lair, Warhawk, and Heavenly Sword were supposed to be the killer-apps. Funny..that didn't happen. Well, I guess you can just go back to waiting...
V_Isle

[QUOTE="accameron"]

However, a console war CAN be decided after TWO consecutive holiday seasons. Sony is dropping the ball on holidays 2007, after a very solid holidays 2006 for the 360.

rko07

Ok, let's get real. The 2006 holidays for the PS3 was not a free pass. It is no one's fault that the PS3 cost $600 but Sony's. The fact remains that Microsoft had the superior 2006 holidays (despite the PS3 launch), and it seems pretty certain that it will soundly beat the 360 in the 2007 holidays. There are no excuses for underperformance in the console races. sorry.

[QUOTE="V_Isle"]

Dumb, huh? Kinda like pissing away $600 on a console with no good exclusives a year after launch? I never had to wait for my 360 to get good titles..in fact I can barely keep up! I remember when Motorstorm, Lair, Warhawk, and Heavenly Sword were supposed to be the killer-apps. Funny..that didn't happen. Well, I guess you can just go back to waiting...
rko07

[QUOTE="accameron"]

[QUOTE="rko07"]Christ man, why do you create so many PS3 bashing threads? I swear this is like the 3rd I see in less than a week.

It's ok to let out a bit of your frustration because you don't own one but this can't be good for your sanity. :shock:
Chutebox

Am I any worse than posters like Renegade, who literally make 1000s of baseless, illogical arguments every day? At least my posts are true, and well thought out.

So, your opinions are now true? Yes, well thought out indeed.

They are generally based on commonly-known info that I read on system wars. Plus I add in a little personal speculation, but otherwise my posts are true.

You boast that you only speak the truth and such, however, you fail to realise just how much of a fanboy you're appearing to be.

You claim that the PS3 has nothing to offer outside of low AA titles? That is not fact. that is pure assumption. And the 360 only has 1 AAAE so far this season (Halo 3). Please correct me if i'm wrong. Also, how do you know what Mass Effect is going to get?

Lets not get into the whole crystal ball thing agian. So next time you claim facts and stuff, be sure your facts are actual FACTS not just opinions you wish were true.
0rin

Lair..4.5
Warhawk..not even AAA
Heavenly Sword..barely even scraped by a low AA

Cows are wallowing in mediocrity, waiting for that one title that just keeps getting delayed..and delayed...and delayed..