I am starting to realize that Sony's worst mistake hasn't even happened yet

[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"]and please, feel free to continue to ignore my posts. accameron

lol, I'm paying attention to your posts atleast!

I meant the TC, since I've responded to every one of his statements with coherent arguments of my own.

You usually just bash me though, like so many other posters here. I wouldn't be surprised if you were one of the posters who report me to the mods so much, either. It's hard being right sometimes. And I really don't remember what arguments you made wither.

Lol, if I wanted to report you, I would. All of your posts are worded in a way just to "soley annoy other users". I would rather argue with you.

REPOST (not addressed to TC):

Apparently, being a 360 and MS fan, you have a hard time understanding that Nintendo and Sony have hade success in the videogame industry because of the success of long running franchises and the continued development of new IPs. Microsoft for the most part, does not have this, the first reason being that they are relatively new to the industry and the second being that their first attempt (the xbox) did not establish many great exclusives. Anyone can argue over new IPs, its all just speculation. All you can do is guess how certain games will do based on screenshots and video clips.

Franchises, however, are a little easier to forecast. Did anyone honestly think Halo 3 would disappoint? What about the next MGS? FF? GT? GTA? TEKKEN? NO. Why? Because those franchises have proved themselves time and time again, on various consoles. Is it a possibility one or more of those games will flop? Of course. Is it likely? No. The developers of those games do not use their renown to cash in and make a quick buck by putting out rehash after rehash. And yeah, feel free to mention FFX2 or The Dirge of Cerebrus, but you get my point. They take their time and will frequently delay the game, if they find it is necessary for the game to be a success.

So look more closely at 08 and please tell me how the 360 will have a better chance of success. The new IPs for each system will most likely cancel each other out. Whats left? The PS3 has its hallowed franchises releasing their first next-gen installments and not even all of them will be out in 08 (God of War anyone). The 360 has a lot less when it comes to this.

If the 360 was in the PS3's position right now and Halo 3 wasn't going to be released until next year, would you lemmings think it was okay to judge whether or not the system would be a failure? No, you wouldn't.

[QUOTE="accameron"]

Meanwhile, Microsoft took the intiative and are making holidays 2007 one of the most ridiculously awesome gaming times for any console ever- starting from July 2007 until the holidays, I will literally not be able to afford all of the AAA exclusives and other amazing games (i.e. the superior version of multi-plats, as always is the case) that are coming to the 360.

NavigatorsGhost

That is, without a doubt, one of the most inaccurate statements ever made in this forum. Brush up on your history of videogames pal. The 360s 07 lineup is not the greatest one year console lineup of all time nor is it anywhere close.

July 2007 is not the holidays. August is not the holidays. September is not the holidays.

Please list all of the AAA exclusives coming out for the 360 between now and the end of the year.

What exactly does MS have coming out for the holidays? Halo is out. Its not the holidays. Its got Mass Effect and a bunch of multiplats. Thats it. Its a disappointing year for consoles all-around. The Wii probably has the best exclusives lineup. And most of the great games launched between now and the end of the year will be multiplats. Orange Box, CoD4, and Assassin's Creed. And the 360 lineup in 08 is sadly lacking compared to that of the PS3.

and because I'm not a cow, nor want to be labeled as one for "defending sony"

my favorite games this gen, in order:

1. Bioshock

2. Halo 3

3. Resistance: Fall of Man

4. Gears of War

5. The Darkness

and I'm not even a huge fan of shooters.

[QUOTE="accameron"][QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

NavigatorsGhost

(Deleted wall of text to appease mods)- Short answer- yes, there will probably be some good games on the PS3 in 2008, and any 360 freak will admit that. But the 360 will also have good games. But no matter how great the 2008 lineup is, holidays are crucial for the gaming industry and Sony should have planned for this one. Being almost one year old and still new in the industry, you have to kickstart console sales immediately, because before you know it the generation will be over and the next gen is arriving. This is not a 10 year war, it is a 5-6 year war. And by my clock (360 release), this gen is about to enter its third year. If the 360 destroys the PS3 for the second holiday in a row, that is very bad for the PS3, regardless of the future lineup. Not to mention the posiibility of 2008 PS3 flops. This is Sony's big mistake.

and because I'm not a cow, nor want to be labeled as one for "defending sony"

my favorite games this gen, in order:

1. Bioshock

2. Halo 3

3. Resistance: Fall of Man

4. Gears of War

5. The Darkness

and I'm not even a huge fan of shooters.

NavigatorsGhost

Sadly, that's the trend here. If you even peep a word about defending Sony, you're automatically labled as a Cow.

[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"][QUOTE="accameron"][QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

accameron

(Deleted wall of text to appease mods)- Short answer- yes, there will probably be some good games on the PS3 in 2008, and any 360 freak will admit that. But the 360 will also have good games. But no matter how great the 2008 lineup is, holidays are crucial for the gaming industry and Sony should have planned for this one. Being almost one year old and still new in the industry, you have to kickstart console sales immediately, because before you know it the generation will be over and the next gen is arriving. This is not a 10 year war, it is a 5-6 year war. And by my clock (360 release), this gen is about to enter its third year. If the 360 destroys the PS3 for the second holiday in a row, that is very bad for the PS3, regardless of the future lineup. Not to mention the posiibility of 2008 PS3 flops. This is Sony's big mistake.

It will be a mistake for them to release a new console so early. With all the horrible things that happened with this gen xbox, I don't see how they will keep customers with the fail rate so fresh on their minds. Also, I don't want to be buying a new console every 5-6 years, I would play on a pc if I wanted that.

[QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"][QUOTE="accameron"][QUOTE="NavigatorsGhost"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

accameron

(Deleted wall of text to appease mods)- Short answer- yes, there will probably be some good games on the PS3 in 2008, and any 360 freak will admit that. But the 360 will also have good games. But no matter how great the 2008 lineup is, holidays are crucial for the gaming industry and Sony should have planned for this one. Being almost one year old and still new in the industry, you have to kickstart console sales immediately, because before you know it the generation will be over and the next gen is arriving. This is not a 10 year war, it is a 5-6 year war. And by my clock (360 release), this gen is about to enter its third year. If the 360 destroys the PS3 for the second holiday in a row, that is very bad for the PS3, regardless of the future lineup. Not to mention the posiibility of 2008 PS3 flops. This is Sony's big mistake.

I don't understand how Sony is to blame for certain games not being released right now. They can't exactly tell Kojima to release his damn swan song when they want it. And GT and FF games are notorious when it comes to delays. If you want to fault sony for something, one would be there crappy online store. They should have a ton of PS1 classics on there for download.

1. Sony has been humble since E3 07 - they gave a fantastic presentation, thanked us for our time, and answered the demands of gamers. They ate their own words and brought back rumble... while at heart all companies are arrogant, their attitude towards the public has been greatly improved.

2. Take a look at the slim PSP. Sales surge in Japan, better bundles in the US, and great games on the way. Sony gets it. It might take them two years to get their products going these days, but they're not running away from the commitment they've made to people who own their products.

3. Why fight in 2007? Sony's best laid plans are coming to fruition in 2008 - the inevitable dominance of Blu-Ray, huge cuts in manufacturing cost, a surge of heavy-hitting titles in both Japan and the US / UK, and the release of their HOME online platform. Why spend so much pushing for "sales numbers" that those sales numbers represent a loss? Sony's looking to add value to their product over a long timespan, not burn up their finances before they're ready. A 2007 holiday battle they're already the underdog in is not the best place to focus all of their time and money.

4. I don't feel these are well-founded or "thought out" arguments on your part. They imply that you've missed the news from every Sony shareholder meeting, press release, and conference for the past six months. You're confusing Sony PR with their actual strategy (hint, companies don't pay millions for an ad that reads "we're doing badly") and you're making vast assumptions about corporate strategy despite having no personal knowledge of what occurs within Sony, nor the business education to make an educated guess.

[QUOTE="0rin"]
You claim that the PS3 has nothing to offer outside of low AA titles? That is not fact. that is pure assumption. And the 360 only has 1 AAAE so far this season (Halo 3). Please correct me if i'm wrong. Also, how do you know what Mass Effect is going to get?

Lets not get into the whole crystal ball thing agian. So next time you claim facts and stuff, be sure your facts are actual FACTS not just opinions you wish were true.
accameron

Do I need to link you to the PS3 gamespot reviews page to see the list of PS3 scores? In system wars, gamespot scores are fact. I never mentioned AAAEs either, but I would bet that the 360 has at least 1 more AAA title this year, possibly more (including superior multi-plats). There is just too much good stuff coming out.

[QUOTE="rko07"]Christ man, why do you create so many PS3 bashing threads? I swear this is like the 3rd I see in less than a week.

It's ok to let out a bit of your frustration because you don't own one but this can't be good for your sanity. :shock:
accameron

Am I any worse than posters like Renegade, who literally make 1000s of baseless, illogical arguments every day? At least my posts are true, and well thought out.

certainly not as bad as Renegade thats for sure.

[QUOTE="accameron"]

[QUOTE="DeathIsARight"]How many anti-PS3 threads is this for you in the past 2 days? 4? You hate the PS3 we get it.DeathIsARight

This is system wars. If you don't like it, go hang out in the PS3 forum. Also, even though many of you may not agree with me, you have to admit that I make compelling arguments about the PS3. In fact, you do not see me making blind moronic anti-PS3 flame- my stuff is at least thought out and basically always true. I am probably one of the smartest posters on system wars.

Do you not agree that letting holidays 2007 completely go to MS and the Wii is a huge mistake? Sony doesn't exactly have a lot of room to play around here.

I am not the one getting laughed at here, I am not the only one a little but tired of your constant PS3 bashing threads. WHy not post about something else and give it a rest?

Sony fanboys... out manned, out gunned and low on ammo! LOLxX0LDSCH00LXx

1. Sony has been humble since E3 07 - they gave a fantastic presentation, thanked us for our time, and answered the demands of gamers. They ate their own words and brought back rumble... while at heart all companies are arrogant, their attitude towards the public has been greatly improved.

2. Take a look at the slim PSP. Sales surge in Japan, better bundles in the US, and great games on the way. Sony gets it. It might take them two years to get their products going these days, but they're not running away from the commitment they've made to people who own their products.

3. Why fight in 2007? Sony's best laid plans are coming to fruition in 2008 - the inevitable dominance of Blu-Ray, huge cuts in manufacturing cost, a surge of heavy-hitting titles in both Japan and the US / UK, and the release of their HOME online platform. Why spend so much pushing for "sales numbers" that those sales numbers represent a loss? Sony's looking to add value to their product over a long timespan, not burn up their finances before they're ready. A 2007 holiday battle they're already the underdog in is not the best place to focus all of their time and money.

4. I don't feel these are well-founded or "thought out" arguments on your part. They imply that you've missed the news from every Sony shareholder meeting, press release, and conference for the past six months. You're confusing Sony PR with their actual strategy (hint, companies don't pay millions for an ad that reads "we're doing badly") and you're making vast assumptions about corporate strategy despite having no personal knowledge of what occurs within Sony, nor the business education to make an educated guess.

subrosian

**You step through the security gate** BEEP! BEEP! BEEP! ...I'm sorry sir but there is no logic beyond this point.

it has everything to do with being cocky - they're playing dead and planning to rebrand in the spring (came from tgs, not my speculation). this is the strategy of a cocky company that thinks their upcoming lineup is in 08 is strong enough that they can just skulk about and wait for it to roll out.

they're wrong - just like they have been with every strategy they've attempted this gen more or less. they've seriously neglected the possible strength of the Wii and 360, and they've foolishly assumed that developers will stand behind them solely based on them being a gateway to money in the past. problem is business always flocks to money, it's not a personal relationship - there is hardly ever any notion of attachment or pride (except for some japanese studios, which are slowly changing their ways).

anyways - long story short Sony is screwed, and IMO it's past due.

3picuri3

Yeah Sony is cooked this season. If they don't do or die now they will look like a lame duck. How can they not get it together by now?? This generation sony's execution sucks, I have only seen it happen once before with nintendo. Sony was warned with a highpriced console that I belive is more of a vehicle to push thier BluRay platform than a console. It's not that the PS3 sucks it's sony is just sucking as a console vendor.

[QUOTE="accameron"]

[QUOTE="DeathIsARight"]How many anti-PS3 threads is this for you in the past 2 days? 4? You hate the PS3 we get it.NavigatorsGhost

This is system wars. If you don't like it, go hang out in the PS3 forum. Also, even though many of you may not agree with me, you have to admit that I make compelling arguments about the PS3. In fact, you do not see me making blind moronic anti-PS3 flame- my stuff is at least thought out and basically always true. I am probably one of the smartest posters on system wars.

Do you not agree that letting holidays 2007 completely go to MS and the Wii is a huge mistake? Sony doesn't exactly have a lot of room to play around here.

lol, another fanboy rant. Gotta love 'em.

Meanwhile, Microsoft took the intiative and are making holidays 2007 one of the most ridiculously awesome gaming times for any console ever- starting from July 2007 until the holidays, I will literally not be able to afford all of the AAA exclusives and other amazing games (i.e. the superior version of multi-plats, as always is the case) that are coming to the 360.

accameron

That is, without a doubt, one of the most inaccurate statements ever made in this forum. Brush up on your history of videogames pal. The 360s 07 lineup is not the greatest one year console lineup of all time nor is it anywhere close.

July 2007 is not the holidays. August is not the holidays. September is not the holidays.

Please list all of the AAA exclusives coming out for the 360 between now and the end of the year.

What exactly does MS have coming out for the holidays? Halo is out. Its not the holidays. Its got Mass Effect and a bunch of multiplats. Thats it. Its a disappointing year for consoles all-around. The Wii probably has the best exclusives lineup. And most of the great games launched between now and the end of the year will be multiplats. Orange Box, CoD4, and Assassin's Creed. And the 360 lineup in 08 is sadly lacking compared to that of the PS3.

360's holiday season isshapping up to be a great lineup, however in 2001 the PS2 was releasing mega AAA I think they had 5 in the 4 months leading upto the new year. Sony had insane amount ofAAAE games, plus even a AAAAe. That was the heyday of the Sony console franchise, however there really wasn't any viable competition in town at that time.The PS3 was only out for about a year, and it could produce, why cant the PS3 produce AAAe is beyond me, there are milliions of japanese, you can't tell me they are all to busy playing WII's.

[QUOTE="V_Isle"]
Far from won? Dude...PS3 had a $100 price cut in July. This was the peak of media attention on RROD, the peak of internet bashing of the 360 due to RROD(though this is making a comeback due to all the Halo 3 damage control). Public relations wise, it had to be the worse month of the year for the 360. And yet, the PS3 still couldn't beat the 360 in sales. What's it gonna take? The heavy hitters will just not arrive in time to save the PS3. The sales gap will widen and they won't be able to catch up. I believe one day the PS3 will be a worthy console when it comes to good games, but the day will most likely never come when it defeats the 360 in world-wide sales.
NavigatorsGhost

Apparently, being a 360 and MS fan, you have a hard time understanding that Nintendo and Sony have hade success in the videogame industry because of the success of long running franchises and the continued development of new IPs. Microsoft for the most part, does not have this, the first reason being that they are relatively new to the industry and the second being that their first attempt (the xbox) did not establish many great exclusives. Anyone can argue over new IPs, its all just speculation. All you can do is guess how certain games will do based on screenshots and video clips.

Franchises, however, are a little easier to forecast. Did anyone honestly think Halo 3 would disappoint? What about the next MGS? FF? GT? GTA? TEKKEN? NO. Why? Because those franchises have proved themselves time and time again, on various consoles. Is it a possibility one or more of those games will flop? Of course. Is it likely? No. The developers of those games do not use their renown to cash in and make a quick buck by putting out rehash after rehash. And yeah, feel free to mention FFX2 or The Dirge of Cerebrus, but you get my point. They take their time and will frequently delay the game, if they find it is necessary for the game to be a success.

So look more closely at 08 and please tell me how the 360 will have a better chance of success. The new IPs for each system will most likely cancel each other out. Whats left? The PS3 has its hallowed franchises releasing their first next-gen installments and not even all of them will be out in 08 (God of War anyone). The 360 has a lot less when it comes to this.

If the 360 was in the PS3's position right now and Halo 3 wasn't going to be released until next year, would you lemmings think it was okay to judge whether or not the system would be a failure? No, you wouldn't.

Why do you think the PS brand rose to the heights it did becuse they were offering fresh new IP's when nintendo was perfectly happy with rehasing Mario untill the cows come home.

Now I accuse the PS line of the same thing how many more ways can they re-tread thier IP's at least Halo 3 will be the end of the series, and they will come up with a new game. The PS3's core lineup is stagnating, and all the really good IP system sellers are multiplats at the best for the PS3. Sony really dropped the ball this go round, all becuse they had to make a console that was to expensive to support.

This is system wars. If you don't like it, go hang out in the PS3 forum. Also, even though many of you may not agree with me, you have to admit that I make compelling arguments about the PS3. In fact, you do not see me making blind moronic anti-PS3 flame- my stuff is at least thought out and basically always true. I am probably one of the smartest posters on system wars.accameron

....WOW....

That's one hell of an ego you got there fella.

look the big fight between MS and Sony hasn't happened yet. MS has this holiday season on lockdown but the real question is what will happen next year. Sony's got all its heavy hitters coming out next year, e.g. proven franchises that made their previous consoles so successful.

if Sony does another price drop and FF and MGS start coming out, they're gonna see a huge upward swing in sales. if the 360 can maintain momentum over PS3 despite all its big titles coming out next year, then it's fair to assume that MS will end up at least in second place this gen, but until that happens, this whole thing is still up in the air.

Sony Never made that mistake you're talking about. But Microsoft did. even though the xbox 360 has good games, they made the biggest mistake by making a gaming platform with hardware defects(RED RING OF DEATH). My friend said to me that he thinks that they made that on purpose (xbox 360s having red ring of death), and i think that they only made the warranty longer because the red ring of death was eventually rampant and microsoft thought of a plan in order for them not to be caught which is the warranty...Oh, andi never heard of any problems in the PS3...

[QUOTE="DeathIsARight"][QUOTE="accameron"]

[QUOTE="DeathIsARight"]How many anti-PS3 threads is this for you in the past 2 days? 4? You hate the PS3 we get it.AcidTWister

This is system wars. If you don't like it, go hang out in the PS3 forum. Also, even though many of you may not agree with me, you have to admit that I make compelling arguments about the PS3. In fact, you do not see me making blind moronic anti-PS3 flame- my stuff is at least thought out and basically always true. I am probably one of the smartest posters on system wars.

Do you not agree that letting holidays 2007 completely go to MS and the Wii is a huge mistake? Sony doesn't exactly have a lot of room to play around here.

I am not the one getting laughed at here, I am not the only one a little but tired of your constant PS3 bashing threads. WHy not post about something else and give it a rest?

If you had bothered to read this thread you would have seen I made a few solid post he ignored. Next time read the thread instead of attacking the posts on page 1! :roll:

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

1. Sony has been humble since E3 07 - they gave a fantastic presentation, thanked us for our time, and answered the demands of gamers. They ate their own words and brought back rumble... while at heart all companies are arrogant, their attitude towards the public has been greatly improved.

2. Take a look at the slim PSP. Sales surge in Japan, better bundles in the US, and great games on the way. Sony gets it. It might take them two years to get their products going these days, but they're not running away from the commitment they've made to people who own their products.

3. Why fight in 2007? Sony's best laid plans are coming to fruition in 2008 - the inevitable dominance of Blu-Ray, huge cuts in manufacturing cost, a surge of heavy-hitting titles in both Japan and the US / UK, and the release of their HOME online platform. Why spend so much pushing for "sales numbers" that those sales numbers represent a loss? Sony's looking to add value to their product over a long timespan, not burn up their finances before they're ready. A 2007 holiday battle they're already the underdog in is not the best place to focus all of their time and money.

4. I don't feel these are well-founded or "thought out" arguments on your part. They imply that you've missed the news from every Sony shareholder meeting, press release, and conference for the past six months. You're confusing Sony PR with their actual strategy (hint, companies don't pay millions for an ad that reads "we're doing badly") and you're making vast assumptions about corporate strategy despite having no personal knowledge of what occurs within Sony, nor the business education to make an educated guess.

ghostsniperOP

**You step through the security gate** BEEP! BEEP! BEEP! ...I'm sorry sir but there is no logic beyond this point.

Actually there is a lot of truth and intelligence in that post, please state why you think there is no logic instead of flaming him.

Sony Never made that mistake you're talking about. But Microsoft did. even though the xbox 360 has good games, they made the biggest mistake by making a gaming platform with hardware defects(RED RING OF DEATH). My friend said to me that he thinks that they made that on purpose (xbox 360s having red ring of death), and i think that they only made the warranty longer because the red ring of death was eventually rampant and microsoft thought of a plan in order for them not to be caught which is the warranty...Oh, andi never heard of any problems in the PS3...

jmdude

DREs didn't kill the PS2 did it? in fact, i remember hearing something about it selling...oh, i don't know...in excess of 100 million systems?

yeah, MS did make a big mistake with its faulty hardware, but it's not gonna kill the 360.

[QUOTE="jmdude"]

Sony Never made that mistake you're talking about. But Microsoft did. even though the xbox 360 has good games, they made the biggest mistake by making a gaming platform with hardware defects(RED RING OF DEATH). My friend said to me that he thinks that they made that on purpose (xbox 360s having red ring of death), and i think that they only made the warranty longer because the red ring of death was eventually rampant and microsoft thought of a plan in order for them not to be caught which is the warranty...Oh, andi never heard of any problems in the PS3...

mwa

DREs didn't kill the PS2 did it? in fact, i remember hearing something about it selling...oh, i don't know...in excess of 100 million systems?

yeah, MS did make a big mistake with its faulty hardware, but it's not gonna kill the 360.

Not kill it but hinder its sales.

[QUOTE="jmdude"]

Sony Never made that mistake you're talking about. But Microsoft did. even though the xbox 360 has good games, they made the biggest mistake by making a gaming platform with hardware defects(RED RING OF DEATH). My friend said to me that he thinks that they made that on purpose (xbox 360s having red ring of death), and i think that they only made the warranty longer because the red ring of death was eventually rampant and microsoft thought of a plan in order for them not to be caught which is the warranty...Oh, andi never heard of any problems in the PS3...

mwa

DREs didn't kill the PS2 did it? in fact, i remember hearing something about it selling...oh, i don't know...in excess of 100 million systems?

yeah, MS did make a big mistake with its faulty hardware, but it's not gonna kill the 360.

[QUOTE="DeathIsARight"]How many anti-PS3 threads is this for you in the past 2 days? 4? You hate the PS3 we get it.B1ACK_MAGE

[QUOTE="DeathIsARight"]How many anti-PS3 threads is this for you in the past 2 days? 4? You hate the PS3 we get it.accameron

This is system wars. If you don't like it, go hang out in the PS3 forum. Also, even though many of you may not agree with me, you have to admit that I make compelling arguments about the PS3. In fact, you do not see me making blind moronic anti-PS3 flame- my stuff is at least thought out and basically always true. I am probably one of the smartest posters on system wars.

Do you not agree that letting holidays 2007 completely go to MS and the Wii is a huge mistake? Sony doesn't exactly have a lot of room to play around here.

I dont hate the ps3 but your argument is compelty correct and the company sony itself is the one that is messing up and could screw it self forever in the end if it dosent pick up

its a very compelling argument actually

[QUOTE="DeathIsARight"]How many anti-PS3 threads is this for you in the past 2 days? 4? You hate the PS3 we get it.accameron

This is system wars. If you don't like it, go hang out in the PS3 forum. Also, even though many of you may not agree with me, you have to admit that I make compelling arguments about the PS3. In fact, you do not see me making blind moronic anti-PS3 flame- my stuff is at least thought out and basically always true. I am probably one of the smartest posters on system wars.

Do you not agree that letting holidays 2007 completely go to MS and the Wii is a huge mistake? Sony doesn't exactly have a lot of room to play around here.

What a way to ignore all that will occur between now and the holidays. The biggest one being the $399 PS3. No, it hasn't happened yet but it will. And that alone could promote a big swing Sony's way.

If the 360 was in the PS3's position right now and Halo 3 wasn't going to be released until next year, would you lemmings think it was okay to judge whether or not the system would be a failure? No, you wouldn't.

Assmuing Gears of War didnt come out the year before along with other hits on 360, I would say its on the road to failure.

[QUOTE="accameron"]

[QUOTE="DeathIsARight"]How many anti-PS3 threads is this for you in the past 2 days? 4? You hate the PS3 we get it.DeathIsARight

This is system wars. If you don't like it, go hang out in the PS3 forum. Also, even though many of you may not agree with me, you have to admit that I make compelling arguments about the PS3. In fact, you do not see me making blind moronic anti-PS3 flame- my stuff is at least thought out and basically always true. I am probably one of the smartest posters on system wars.

Do you not agree that letting holidays 2007 completely go to MS and the Wii is a huge mistake? Sony doesn't exactly have a lot of room to play around here.

I am not the one getting laughed at here, I am not the only one a little but tired of your constant PS3 bashing threads. WHy not post about something else and give it a rest?

He makes valid points, in no way shape or form has he made an outrageous fanboyish comment. He has stated several opinions and backed them up with pretty good evidence. The fact of the matter is he probably is not the only one. In fact it seems he ismore frustrated that he has not or will not get the same playstation experience hes has gotten with previous generation systems with the PS3. I agree with his post, and though you may besick of seeing them, I have seen more rediculous continous fanboyish topics than this one.

If the 360 was in the PS3's position right now and Halo 3 wasn't going to be released until next year, would you lemmings think it was okay to judge whether or not the system would be a failure? No, you wouldn't.

Assmuing Gears of War didnt come out the year before along with other hits on 360, I would say its on the road to failure.

darth-revan

There is no assuming if gears of war did not come out, it did and thats all there is too it.

[QUOTE="rko07"]Christ man, why do you create so many PS3 bashing threads? I swear this is like the 3rd I see in less than a week.

It's ok to let out a bit of your frustration because you don't own one but this can't be good for your sanity. :shock:
accameron

Am I any worse than posters like Renegade, who literally make 1000s of baseless, illogical arguments every day? At least my posts are true, and well thought out.

I like your posts, with many posters it seems like they put talking points in a Yahtzee cup, shake it up, sees what comes out, and then post that dribble as fact.

At first, I thought that Sony made the worst mistake in the history of gaming by adding blu-ray to the PS3, delaying the crap out of the system, and then making it cost $600. In fact, it probably was the worst mistake in the history of gaming.

accameron

nop sorry that honour belongs to E.T. for the atari 2600

runners up are the atari 5200

and

the nintendo virtual boy

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="accameron"]

accameron

So, your opinions are now true? Yes, well thought out indeed.

They are generally based on commonly-known info that I read on system wars. Plus I add in a little personal speculation, but otherwise my posts are true.

Your opinions are just that, opinions. In the real world, opinions are far from facts.

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[QUOTE="DeathIsARight"]How many anti-PS3 threads is this for you in the past 2 days? 4? You hate the PS3 we get it.xscrapzx

This is system wars. If you don't like it, go hang out in the PS3 forum. Also, even though many of you may not agree with me, you have to admit that I make compelling arguments about the PS3. In fact, you do not see me making blind moronic anti-PS3 flame- my stuff is at least thought out and basically always true. I am probably one of the smartest posters on system wars.

Do you not agree that letting holidays 2007 completely go to MS and the Wii is a huge mistake? Sony doesn't exactly have a lot of room to play around here.

I am not the one getting laughed at here, I am not the only one a little but tired of your constant PS3 bashing threads. WHy not post about something else and give it a rest?

He makes valid points, in no way shape or form has he made an outrageous fanboyish comment. He has stated several opinions and backed them up with pretty good evidence. The fact of the matter is he probably is not the only one. In fact it seems he ismore frustrated that he has not or will not get the same playstation experience hes has gotten with previous generation systems with the PS3. I agree with his post, and though you may besick of seeing them, I have seen more rediculous continous fanboyish topics than this one.

Thanks dude- and you are right, I am pissed off at Sony because they screwed up. Like I said earlier in this thread, if Sony had released a blu-ray-less PS3 at the same time as the 360 for the same price as the 360, I never would have considered getting a 360. I would have a PS3 sitting by my tv, just like my PS1 and PS2 that I loved so much. I didn't even own th original XBOX. Sony is literally handing Microsoft the 2007 holidays, and I think that depending on a handful of possibly good games in the spring is short sighted. And Sony does have first party devs, lots of them, and they could have pushed these to have some big games come out Aug-Dec 2007.

1. Sony has been humble since E3 07 - they gave a fantastic presentation, thanked us for our time, and answered the demands of gamers. They ate their own words and brought back rumble... while at heart all companies are arrogant, their attitude towards the public has been greatly improved.

2. Take a look at the slim PSP. Sales surge in Japan, better bundles in the US, and great games on the way. Sony gets it. It might take them two years to get their products going these days, but they're not running away from the commitment they've made to people who own their products.

3. Why fight in 2007? Sony's best laid plans are coming to fruition in 2008 - the inevitable dominance of Blu-Ray, huge cuts in manufacturing cost, a surge of heavy-hitting titles in both Japan and the US / UK, and the release of their HOME online platform. Why spend so much pushing for "sales numbers" that those sales numbers represent a loss? Sony's looking to add value to their product over a long timespan, not burn up their finances before they're ready. A 2007 holiday battle they're already the underdog in is not the best place to focus all of their time and money.

4. I don't feel these are well-founded or "thought out" arguments on your part. They imply that you've missed the news from every Sony shareholder meeting, press release, and conference for the past six months. You're confusing Sony PR with their actual strategy (hint, companies don't pay millions for an ad that reads "we're doing badly") and you're making vast assumptions about corporate strategy despite having no personal knowledge of what occurs within Sony, nor the business education to make an educated guess.

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1. they haven't really answered the demands of the ps3 gamers yet have they? as for rumble, it's an additional cost and won't be bundled for a while.

2. the psp has improved with it's slim model and FF bundle. it's too early to tell if that's a sustainable sales surge though.

3. I find this silly. sure they have some major titles in 08 but it's not even in their control 100%. I'm sure some publishers are having more trouble than they expected with the ps3 and others just want to sell to a better userbase. but no. I don't think sony would delay a game to 08 just to be with the others. They can't just concede the 07 holiday season because a huge percent (50% i read once) of the sales are between nov-jan. even with great titles in mid 08 it will be hard to overcome another 3rd place finish in the holidays.

2. the psp has improved with it's slim model and FF bundle. it's too early to tell if that's a sustainable sales surge though.

Ontain

i own and love my PSP, but even i know that the DS will surpass the PSP in sales again, all it takes is Legend of zelda phantom hourglass

[QUOTE="DeathIsARight"]How many anti-PS3 threads is this for you in the past 2 days? 4? You hate the PS3 we get it.accameron

This is system wars. If you don't like it, go hang out in the PS3 forum. Also, even though many of you may not agree with me, you have to admit that I make compelling arguments about the PS3. In fact, you do not see me making blind moronic anti-PS3 flame- my stuff is at least thought out and basically always true. I am probably one of the smartest posters on system wars.

Do you not agree that letting holidays 2007 completely go to MS and the Wii is a huge mistake? Sony doesn't exactly have a lot of room to play around here.

Wow can you BE anymore cockier?! Get off your high horse!! ohhh.. I HAVE to admit that you make compelling arguments? please. If we think you made good arguments, we don't need you telling us that we have to admit it, we can form our own opinions thank you very much.

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[QUOTE="DeathIsARight"]How many anti-PS3 threads is this for you in the past 2 days? 4? You hate the PS3 we get it.farrell2k

I am probably one of the smartest posters on system wars.

Let's see what yor sin is. Hmmmm. I know. I know. It's PRIDE! :)

Oh, by the way, you did make good points with your post, Sony is just out of touch with reality with the PS3.

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(Deleted wall of text to appease mods)- Short answer- yes, there will probably be some good games on the PS3 in 2008, and any 360 freak will admit that. But the 360 will also have good games. But no matter how great the 2008 lineup is, holidays are crucial for the gaming industry and Sony should have planned for this one. Being almost one year old and still new in the industry, you have to kickstart console sales immediately, because before you know it the generation will be over and the next gen is arriving. This is not a 10 year war, it is a 5-6 year war. And by my clock (360 release), this gen is about to enter its third year. If the 360 destroys the PS3 for the second holiday in a row, that is very bad for the PS3, regardless of the future lineup. Not to mention the posiibility of 2008 PS3 flops. This is Sony's big mistake.

I don't understand how Sony is to blame for certain games not being released right now. They can't exactly tell Kojima to release his damn swan song when they want it. And GT and FF games are notorious when it comes to delays. If you want to fault sony for something, one would be there crappy online store. They should have a ton of PS1 classics on there for download.

First off where do you get that the 360's 08 lineup is lacking compared to the PS3 when 2008 isn't even hear! :| Ya I would like to have your crystal ball, such an ignorant statement to make.

3. I find this silly. sure they have some major titles in 08 but it's not even in their control 100%. I'm sure some publishers are having more trouble than they expected with the ps3 and others just want to sell to a better userbase. but no. I don't think sony would delay a game to 08 just to be with the others. They can't just concede the 07 holiday season because a huge percent (50% i read once) of the sales are between nov-jan. even with great titles in mid 08 it will be hard to overcome another 3rd place finish in the holidays.

Ontain

a) Most gamers can only afford one console.

b) Since we're approaching the halfway point of the generation, we're probably approaching the tipping point where not just customers but developers finally plunk down and make their commitments for the rest of the generation (for fear they won't be able to exploit it long enough before the next generation rolls in around 2010--and I mean both gamers and devs with this). PS2 gamers who've waited for good PS3 games that don't come by the end of the year may well give up and jump ship.

c) Microsoft's margins on the 360 are a lot healthier than Sony's. Basically, anything Sony can do, Microsoft can match if not beat while still weathering the storm better. Not only that, Microsoft has the bigger cash hoard. Faced with this, I doubt Sony is in any condition to win a war of attrition, particularly with Nintendo slicing away customers at the flanks. Put it this way: If Sony releases a $399 PS3, expect a $299 360 sooner rather than later (and by sooner I mean before the PS3 drop).

who cares? the 3 big guns have good points and their bad points but when did we ever pay attention to all the stinking detail in the gaming industry? hasent it always been about playing games having fun? guess gamers just forgot how to have fun or they just talking crap cause they dont actually have a next gen system.

either way what does it matter sonys ps3 isnt in good shape we all know that but would anyone really want to count sony out right now? they been in this business for a long time i dont think so. ps3 has a lot more games then it used to why even care what score they get the reviewers are nothing more than a few gamers opinions. nvm wont keep going ill just log out and stay away from system wars gives me a freaking headache im going to play some halo 3 online or something.

How many anti-PS3 threads is this for you in the past 2 days? 4? You hate the PS3 we get it.DeathIsARight

[QUOTE="DeathIsARight"]How many anti-PS3 threads is this for you in the past 2 days? 4? You hate the PS3 we get it.accameron

This is system wars. If you don't like it, go hang out in the PS3 forum. Also, even though many of you may not agree with me, you have to admit that I make compelling arguments about the PS3. In fact, you do not see me making blind moronic anti-PS3 flame- my stuff is at least thought out and basically always true. I am probably one of the smartest posters on system wars.

Do you not agree that letting holidays 2007 completely go to MS and the Wii is a huge mistake? Sony doesn't exactly have a lot of room to play around here.

Go to Kotaku, look at an article they've posted today. The PS3 has more a+ games coming out this holiday than the xbox 360 does.

[QUOTE="accameron"]

[QUOTE="DeathIsARight"]How many anti-PS3 threads is this for you in the past 2 days? 4? You hate the PS3 we get it.osirisomeomi

This is system wars. If you don't like it, go hang out in the PS3 forum. Also, even though many of you may not agree with me, you have to admit that I make compelling arguments about the PS3. In fact, you do not see me making blind moronic anti-PS3 flame- my stuff is at least thought out and basically always true. I am probably one of the smartest posters on system wars.

Do you not agree that letting holidays 2007 completely go to MS and the Wii is a huge mistake? Sony doesn't exactly have a lot of room to play around here.

Go to Kotaku, look at an article they've posted today. The PS3 has more a+ games coming out this holiday than the xbox 360 does.