I believe Wii will win the hardware sales race this gen and have valid reasons

[QUOTE="nintendo-4life"]no mention of Wiimote and future big hitters makes this thread less than steller, include them and you sir have the thread of the month.Zenfoldor

I considered "The Wii mote is a gimmick" excuse, but I couldn't relate to it in terms of sales. I have never heard anyone say "The Wii-mote is a gimmick and will eventually cause the Wii to sell less consoles," because gimmick infers that basically, people will buy the product and then become tired of it after the novelty wears off.

Since "wearing off" happens individually, amongst members who have already purchased the console, I can't see how that would affect hardware sales or how anyone could claim that it would, but I guess my explaination as to why I didnt' add it is a perfect reason why it doesn't matter to hardware sales. So, I'll say:

16. The Wii-mote is a gimmick, and once it "wears off" people will stop buying the Wii - Gimmicks require purchase to wear off, but even if they didn't, the Wii doesn't sell on the quality of the Wii-mote, but the perception of utility of the Wii-mote. It is likely the Wii-mote or some form of it will be introduced in the next versions of both Sony and Microsoft's console, and already is, in some form, in the PS3. If the Wii-mote is a gimmick, it is much more likely to help sales of the console over its entire lifespan, just like the touchscreen on the DS. This one is harder because I can't really see the argument against sales, since I fundamentally believe the Wii-mote isn't necessarily the biggest sales driver for the console anyway, I believe at this point, hype and public perception of the console is, and no one is gonna "not buy one" because they percieve the Wii-remote as a gimmick, it's just too cheap and popular to leave on the shelf for most people.

I also want to comment on why there are no big games mentioned. I believe that singluar games post launch do very little to affect the overall console leader. It's often said "it's about the games" which is misinterrupreted to mean, it's about this game of the week, here, or that game of the year there. Even in the 50 percent plus attach rate, your still only seeing temporary hardware boosts until saturation point, and in the future and today, I feel people buy consoles more based on brand, price, and public perception, than single, or even multiple game selection, with few exceptions. Will Brawl, MGS, DQ IX, and FFXIII sell consoles? Sure. Will Japan maintain a hardware boost after DMC 4 is released? No. The audience for any individual game is finite, and the long term affects are unprovable and merely speculation.

Oh yeah, also, bump.

first of all i meant the Wimote as a positive thing not negative :P

sconedly, what i meant by big hitters are the games that will move systems, in 2008 Wii has 3, Wii fit, SSBB and MKWii, of course the Wii has more but these game WILL SURELY boost sales, that's what i meant ;)

Wii's gonna sell more than PS2. It's already accelerating at a much faster rate.BlackIsle_rip

It's selling at approximatedly double the PS2 rate, but that's cherrpicking. The PS2's sales simply stayed consistant after year 3. The PS3 is nearly on pace with the PS2 atm, so you can't tell anything from that simply analogy quite yet.

Wow, STILL no fanboy posts.

Congrats Zenfoldor on having the most logical thread on System Wars, EVER.

It will win the hardware sales race, but it's not the best console.james28893

"best" is subjective so it doesn't really matter to anyone but yourself. after all there's still ppl that say n64 was the best of that gen or dreamcast, or psp etc.

[QUOTE="james28893"]It will win the hardware sales race, but it's not the best console.Ontain

"best" is subjective so it doesn't really matter to anyone but yourself. after all there's still ppl that say n64 was the best of that gen or dreamcast, or psp etc.

I'm sorry, but I am one of those people that looks for the most AAAs, not just AAAEs.

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

[QUOTE="james28893"]It will win the hardware sales race, but it's not the best console.james28893

"best" is subjective so it doesn't really matter to anyone but yourself. after all there's still ppl that say n64 was the best of that gen or dreamcast, or psp etc.

I'm sorry, but I am one of those people that looks for the most AAAs, not just AAAEs.

[QUOTE="james28893"][QUOTE="Ontain"]

[QUOTE="james28893"]It will win the hardware sales race, but it's not the best console.nintendo-4life

"best" is subjective so it doesn't really matter to anyone but yourself. after all there's still ppl that say n64 was the best of that gen or dreamcast, or psp etc.

I'm sorry, but I am one of those people that looks for the most AAAs, not just AAAEs.

Sales aren't opinions, they are actual statistics...

Wow, STILL no fanboy posts.

Congrats Zenfoldor on having the most logical thread on System Wars, EVER.

Paleo_Orca

lol, thanks alot. I guess I keep bumping the post by checking it periodically, but screw it, that's a good thing imo.

So what happens if the ps3 surpasses the wii and becomes this generations's winner?madsmokey

Using logic, are there any solid reasons that will happen?

[QUOTE="Ontain"]

[QUOTE="james28893"]It will win the hardware sales race, but it's not the best console.james28893

"best" is subjective so it doesn't really matter to anyone but yourself. after all there's still ppl that say n64 was the best of that gen or dreamcast, or psp etc.

I'm sorry, but I am one of those people that looks for the most AAAs, not just AAAEs.

And i'm one of those people that think the quality of a systems library is deeper then the just the number of "9+ rated games".

Nice to see another person downplay the significance of exclusive titles. Multiplats certainly are important, and we should never disregard a game simply because it's on another system.. but, at the risk of sounding like a tired broken record, exclusives define a system.

Using logic it's far to early to declare the wii as this generation's winner. Sure it's doing really well, but who's to say it is to last? The ps3 is slowly building up momentum. Like it or not, with blu ray winning the format war, many people will be buying the ps3 as a blu ray player. This can certainly amount to quite a few millions of ps3's sold on the basis of HD movies alone. That aside, the ps3 frankly doesn't have any great games for it right now yet it is still selling better then the 360. 2008's gaming library is looking much much better then 2007 when the ps3 actually starts getting a few good games. The wii did something innovative that appealed to a wide audience so they are currently beating the competition, no arguments there. I simply believe that the blu ray and promising big name titles coming for the ps3 will appeal to an even wider audience the the wii. Think about it.... Blu ray won the format war. if microsoft does not add a blu ray player to their 360, every one who wants to enjoy hd quality movies may consider the ps3 as their best choice. That is one of the bigger reasons why i believe the ps3 has a very good chance at winning the system war. Sony was not stupid in including it in their ps3 and despite what people say about the ps3 selling as a blu ray player as opposed to a gaming system, the fact remains, the ps3 is a multimedia device that includes hd gaming and hd movies and that still would contribute to the system wars. So this is my argument. It's simply far too early to claim the wii as the winner of this gen. madsmokey

Boring.

After reading the 2nd to the last at the bottom, regarding PS3's future proof 10 year plan...

This is just another fanboy who really really really does not want Sony's PS3 (or any future PS) to obliterate Nintendo (or Xbox).....again.

You have your valid reasons, I give you that. But they're YOURS. Wii can sell a billion in the next few years, but that still won't convince me to buy a Wii. Nor do I care if it obliterates the console race.

If I wanted 3rd party games, games that I take seriously, there's always PS3, 360 and PC.....and I know well enough the support WILL ALWAYS be there on these platforms.

You have your valid reasons, I give you that. But they're YOURS. Wii can sell a billion in the next few years, but that still won't convince me to buy a Wii. Nor do I care if it obliterates the console race.

If I wanted 3rd party games, games that I take seriously, there's always PS3, 360 and PC.....and I know well enough the support WILL ALWAYS be there on these platforms.

M8ingSeezun

Noone was trying to convince you to buy a wii, and it really doesn't matter if you do or don't have one. Just like there were plenty of people out there that didn't have a ps2, despite it obliterating the competition.

are you kidding me? you sound like some elite who has no idea what he's talking about. What kind of game do you take seriously? Are you implying that you don't take wii games seriously? What's wrong with no more heroes, zack and wiki or trauma center? Are you one of those people who dismisses anything they don't seem to care for?
And, why does first party not matter? A good game is a good game.

[QUOTE="M8ingSeezun"]

You have your valid reasons, I give you that. But they're YOURS. Wii can sell a billion in the next few years, but that still won't convince me to buy a Wii. Nor do I care if it obliterates the console race.

If I wanted 3rd party games, games that I take seriously, there's always PS3, 360 and PC.....and I know well enough the support WILL ALWAYS be there on these platforms.

blahzor

Noone was trying to convince you to buy a wii, and it really doesn't matter if you do or don't have one. Just like there were plenty of people out there that didn't have a ps2, despite it obliterating the competition.

are you kidding me? you sound like some elite who has no idea what he's talking about. What kind of game do you take seriously? Are you implying that you don't take wii games seriously? What's wrong with no more heroes, zack and wiki or trauma center? Are you one of those people who dismisses anything they don't seem to care for?
And, why does first party not matter? A good game is a good game.

No not an elite. Just a gamer who has his own taste and opinion on games.

Calm down, People have different tastes and opinions. Live with it.

And I'm not knocking on Nintendo 1st party games. It's the 3rd party that I'm quite vocal and critical about.

[QUOTE="blahzor"][QUOTE="M8ingSeezun"]

You have your valid reasons, I give you that. But they're YOURS. Wii can sell a billion in the next few years, but that still won't convince me to buy a Wii. Nor do I care if it obliterates the console race.

If I wanted 3rd party games, games that I take seriously, there's always PS3, 360 and PC.....and I know well enough the support WILL ALWAYS be there on these platforms.

M8ingSeezun

Noone was trying to convince you to buy a wii, and it really doesn't matter if you do or don't have one. Just like there were plenty of people out there that didn't have a ps2, despite it obliterating the competition.

are you kidding me? you sound like some elite who has no idea what he's talking about. What kind of game do you take seriously? Are you implying that you don't take wii games seriously? What's wrong with no more heroes, zack and wiki or trauma center? Are you one of those people who dismisses anything they don't seem to care for?
And, why does first party not matter? A good game is a good game.

No not an elite. Just a gamer who has his own taste and opinion on games.

Calm down, People have different tastes and opinions. Live with it.

And I'm not knocking on Nintendo 1st party games. It's the 3rd party that I'm quite vocal and critical about.

So, you're admitting to being completely bias?

I never said i had a problem with you not enjoying the games on the wii. The problem is that you are assuming no 3rd party game is worthy of being "taken seriously". You can hate something, but still admit it's quality. Are there really no games out there that you can see are well made games(and i don't mean just on the wii), but just don't fit your taste?

[QUOTE="M8ingSeezun"][QUOTE="blahzor"][QUOTE="M8ingSeezun"]

You have your valid reasons, I give you that. But they're YOURS. Wii can sell a billion in the next few years, but that still won't convince me to buy a Wii. Nor do I care if it obliterates the console race.

If I wanted 3rd party games, games that I take seriously, there's always PS3, 360 and PC.....and I know well enough the support WILL ALWAYS be there on these platforms.

blahzor

Noone was trying to convince you to buy a wii, and it really doesn't matter if you do or don't have one. Just like there were plenty of people out there that didn't have a ps2, despite it obliterating the competition.

are you kidding me? you sound like some elite who has no idea what he's talking about. What kind of game do you take seriously? Are you implying that you don't take wii games seriously? What's wrong with no more heroes, zack and wiki or trauma center? Are you one of those people who dismisses anything they don't seem to care for?
And, why does first party not matter? A good game is a good game.

No not an elite. Just a gamer who has his own taste and opinion on games.

Calm down, People have different tastes and opinions. Live with it.

And I'm not knocking on Nintendo 1st party games. It's the 3rd party that I'm quite vocal and critical about.

So, you're admitting to being completely bias?

I never said i had a problem with you not enjoying the games on the wii. The problem is that you are assuming no 3rd party game is worthy of being "taken seriously". You can hate something, but still admit it's quality. Are there really no games out there that you can see are well made games(and i don't mean just on the wii), but just don't fit your taste?

Everyone here is bias, regardless of allegiance.

IMHO, most of the 3rd party games are not worthy of taking seriously.......they mostly don't appeal to me or I'm not feeling the vibe. The same reason why turn-based jrpgs don't appeal to me or even Soccer or Japanese Food or even Spielberg (later films) or Michael Bay movies, hell even GTA doesn't appeal to me.

Personally, I feel that there are just more games and variety beyond what the Wii has to offer.

So, good, still no one to refute my opinions. I didn't think it would get this far without at least one naysayer.

Some of you seem confused, I'm not trying to convince anyone that the "Wii is the best console" or that you "should buy a Wii" I'm only saying that the Wii will win in the console hardware race.

Also, the "10 year Sony plan" has 2 major flaws.

1. It will put Sony's PS4 up against companies that have both taken major footholds in the market this gen, but it will do so at a disadvantage of launching up to and including 4 years after their new systems hit the market, and up to or possibly one year before their next-next generation machines hit the market. Basically, if there is a new 360 in 2011, and then one in 2016, while the PS4 launches in 2014, Sony will have given Nintendo and Microsoft a "free generation." Imagine if Sony had set out this generation.

2. Which only leads me to believe that Sony will launch the PS4 up against the 720, or within a year of its release. One of the major reasons the 360 has been so much more successful in the eyes of consumers and analyists, is because of the "year head start." This, of course, means that the PS3 will only have support for 10 years, in the same way the PS2 will have support for 10 years. They'll support the machine by manufacturing it, but it will slowly die as Sony's new system, the PS4, becomes their predominant focus, which in turn, means all that "10 year support" rubbish was just fluff to convince you your investment was a worthy one.

If Sony does follow (number 1), then it is very likely to lose any brand recognition it would have built up with the playstation brand, which would have been relying on the PSP2 and the PS3 up to that point in history, which, being aged consoles compared to new Nintendo and Microsoft consoles, would have by then, lost its hardware advantage(graphics). It would be purposefully giving up ground in the console war to your two major competitors.

There is one other possibility, however, which is this. Sony believes either Microsoft is unwilling to launch a new system earlier than 2013, or that the public is unwilling to upgrade systems now at the rate they have in the past.

Either way, if Microsoft launches its 720 in 2011-2013, and Sony fails to respond with a launch within a 2 year time window, Sony's brand will suffer, Microsoft and Nintendo will both get major footholds in the market before Sony's machine launches, and Sony will have waited out such a significant amount of time, that their brand will no longer be fresh in the heads of consumers. It doesn't matter if their console the PS3 is selling like gangbusters, unless Sony no longer cares about competing on the same level as Nintendo and Microsoft, they will need to not give either company a minimum 30 million lead in userbase before they get their console out the door, because mistakes when your tied are a lot easier to recover from than mistakes when your beind.

lol .... sooo to answer my question... what happens if ps3 wins this generations console race? it seems most people who posted here believe it's simply impossible. So what happens if it does?madsmokey

If the PS3 wins the console race, then my head will zomgexplode.

No, I'm j/k. If the PS3 wins, which is entirely possible, then it wins. If it happens, the world won't end. Both other consoles will have given significant showings this gen. Nothing else will happen of significance, that is predictable.

great thread, actually using logic, and whats on the table to prove the obvious to the blind. no 'wait for teh next year' or any of that **** i find it hard to see ways how anyone can disprove anything you have said.

its gonna sell the best ... yes, its gonna have less AA and AAA's ... yes.

its gonna sell the best ... yes, its gonna have less AA and AAA's ... yes.

humber_matus

but it will have more AAA and AA's than it would have, had it not won in sales.