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#1 3DSOG
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Im going to use runescape as an example here. We all know runescape.... or atleast i HOPE we all do. There is members areas and free areas Free You GET to play the game. thats all anybody cares about. Nobody cares about the features and crap. Members get 600% more content. While you get to play for free. Thats it. Psn- You get to play online for free. Yeah great and all. But your getting a lackluster service. Xbox live gold- The creme de la creme of online gaming. You get a crapload more content. - Cross game chat -Excellent voice system -beautiful selection of arcade games (meatboy anybody?) -Party chats. - And not to mention. YOU DONT HAVE TO ENTER SOMEBODY'S NAME IN ORDER TO ADD THEM. What the hell is this...the WII? iM SICK of having to write down their name/ memorize it. Pause. Then MANUALLY ENTER THEIR NAME. Xbox.. click 3 buttons and your done. Everything is smoother and faster. nOW FOR the price justification. 10$ more. Thats 1.2 dollars more a monthh Thats a little over 30 cents a week Thats like 5 cents a day. Go into a store. Ask 1 person a day for a nickel Thats xbox live.
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#2 SuperBobz
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Live is arguably better than PSN; but for many people, it is not worth the extra $60.

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#3 Valiant_Rebel
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...but Xbox Live subscribers received all of those features before the price hike. :?

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#4 R3FURBISHED
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The service has been around since, what?, 2005 and this is the first time the price has been changed? If so that is damn good. And you get what you pay for.

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#5 3DSOG
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...but Xbox Live subscribers received all of those features before the price hike. :?

Valiant_Rebel
The point is. Microsoft is just greedy. The price jump wasn't necessary. But, im making it out to be. It doesn't damage you at all. It's an extra 5 cents a day.
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#6 ActicEdge
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If that's your justification. . . good for you I guess :?

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#8 3DSOG
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The service has been around since, what?, 2005 and this is the first time the price has been changed? If so that is damn good. And you pay for what you get.R3FURBISHED
eXACTLY. thank you
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#9 UCF_Knight
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I grudgingly pay the $50-60 whatever for Live, but it's still not great enough over PSN to have to pay that. I don't have to justify it though, because I'm wealthy enough to spare 60 a year on online gaming. :P
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FYI you don't need to know someones name to friend invite.... you just have to go to the list of people you have meet.

As for justifying cost to play games online... good luck with that.

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#12 R3FURBISHED
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[QUOTE="Valiant_Rebel"]

...but Xbox Live subscribers received all of those features before the price hike. :?

3DSOG

The point is. Microsoft is just greedy. The price jump wasn't necessary. But, im making it out to be. It doesn't damage you at all. It's an extra 5 cents a day.

Its a five year old service, Live users should count themselves lucky it didn't happen before that. And compared to MMO prices...Live is dirt cheap.

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IMO, I think Xbox live is SO much easier to pick up and navigate as opposed to PSN. By navigate I mean ease of use capabilities.

PSN is great, but heck, Xbox live is just the king of console online services.

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#14 3DSOG
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[QUOTE="3DSOG"][QUOTE="Valiant_Rebel"]

...but Xbox Live subscribers received all of those features before the price hike. :?

R3FURBISHED

The point is. Microsoft is just greedy. The price jump wasn't necessary. But, im making it out to be. It doesn't damage you at all. It's an extra 5 cents a day.

Its a five year old service, Live users should count themselves lucky it didn't happen before that. And compared to MMO prices...Live is dirt cheap.

It's half the price of world of warcraft.
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Its a five year old service, Live users should count themselves lucky it didn't happen before that. And compared to MMO prices...Live is dirt cheap.R3FURBISHED
Who's to say we weren't unlucky that we ever had to pay in the first place? :?
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IMO, I think Xbox live is SO much easier to pick up and navigate as opposed to PSN. By navigate I mean ease of use capabilities.

PSN is great, but heck, Xbox live is just the king of console online services.

Squall18

XBL and PSNis navigated almost the same way minus the advertisements :lol:

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#17 3DSOG
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IMO, I think Xbox live is SO much easier to pick up and navigate as opposed to PSN. By navigate I mean ease of use capabilities.

PSN is great, but heck, Xbox live is just the king of console online services.

Squall18
Yep. Why pay nothing when you can pay SOMETHING. The point is. In 5 years your not gonna care how much you spent on xbox live. You'll have made that money back in no time. But your memories with online gaming will be 1000x better because YOU PAID FOR THE SUPERIOR SERVICE! Money comes back. But memories are once in alifetime.
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#18 UCF_Knight
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[QUOTE="Slashkice"]

You realize you didn't provide any argument for the price hike right?

3DSOG
I guess sheep think their sooo smart cause they can memorize 12 DIGITS. Ok I'll explain it for you slower. 5.... CENTS.... EXTRA A DAY Thats the justification The justification is...."who cares?"

If everything I have to pay for was raised by 5 cents a day, I'd go broke in no time at all. :?
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[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]Its a five year old service, Live users should count themselves lucky it didn't happen before that. And compared to MMO prices...Live is dirt cheap.UCF_Knight
Who's to say we weren't unlucky that we ever had to pay in the first place? :?

Live is a service, you have to pay to use the service...isn't that how things work?
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How do you explain Steam,that's better and free?
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#21 3DSOG
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[QUOTE="3DSOG"][QUOTE="Slashkice"]

You realize you didn't provide any argument for the price hike right?

UCF_Knight
I guess sheep think their sooo smart cause they can memorize 12 DIGITS. Ok I'll explain it for you slower. 5.... CENTS.... EXTRA A DAY Thats the justification The justification is...."who cares?"

If everything I have to pay for was raised by 5 cents a day, I'd go broke in no time at all. :?

Sounds like a personal problem.
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#22 FragTycoon
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[QUOTE="Squall18"]

IMO, I think Xbox live is SO much easier to pick up and navigate as opposed to PSN. By navigate I mean ease of use capabilities.

PSN is great, but heck, Xbox live is just the king of console online services.

3DSOG

Yep. Why pay nothing when you can pay SOMETHING. The point is. In 5 years your not gonna care how much you spent on xbox live. You'll have made that money back in no time. But your memories with online gaming will be 1000x better because YOU PAID FOR THE SUPERIOR SERVICE! Money comes back. But memories are once in alifetime.

I pay nothing for both PSN and PC gaming online (other then ISP)and have 1000x better experience because I run accross less people like you :D

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[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"][QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]Its a five year old service, Live users should count themselves lucky it didn't happen before that. And compared to MMO prices...Live is dirt cheap.R3FURBISHED
Who's to say we weren't unlucky that we ever had to pay in the first place? :?

Live is a service, you have to pay to use the service...isn't that how things work?

I don't have to pay for STEAM or PSN. So how does it work again?
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[QUOTE="3DSOG"][QUOTE="Valiant_Rebel"]

...but Xbox Live subscribers received all of those features before the price hike. :?

R3FURBISHED

. And compared to MMO prices...Live is dirt cheap.

Dear God

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Ok then, next month they can raise it the same amount and use the same rationale. And the month after that and the month after that and the month after that... It's just a drop in the bucket, right? The XBOX is my sole system this gen which I'm very happy with and, seeing as I actually have an income, I have zero problem paying the old or the new price for XBL gold. That being said, however you try and rationalize it to yourself and justify what MS is doing, the only real reasoning behind it is making money. Their profit margin must be *very* large on XBL and, frankly, Sony is offering a service that's almost as good for free. Hell, they even have dedicated services for some of their games and are close to getting an MMO running on it. MS is making money hand over fist with XBL gold subscriptions, and they aren't charging more out of the goodness of their hearts, however they sell it to you or however you're willing to buy it.
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#26 3DSOG
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How do you explain Steam,that's better and free?MonsieurX
Im comparing psn and Xbox live. Steam is OBVIOUSLY the better choice.
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#27 BTBAM127
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ok look at it this way, steam offers all of those same things (including super meat boy) and it has always been free. lets say next week they announce a raise in the price from $0 to $10, but nothing about the service changes. how is that justifiable?

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[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]How do you explain Steam,that's better and free?3DSOG
Im comparing psn and Xbox live. Steam is OBVIOUSLY the better choice.

Still doesn't justify the price of XBL over Steam
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How do you explain Steam,that's better and free?MonsieurX
That is a definite opinion. Maybe I just haven't been using it to its fullest...but how in the hell is Steam like Live?
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[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]

[QUOTE="3DSOG"][QUOTE="Valiant_Rebel"]

...but Xbox Live subscribers received all of those features before the price hike. :?

spookykid143

. And compared to MMO prices...Live is dirt cheap.

Dear God

XBLG is not a achievement MMO :lol:

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#31 tehsystemwarior
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You didnt justify the price sorry.
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#32 UCF_Knight
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Sounds like a personal problem.3DSOG
If customers can't afford products, it's very well Microsoft's problem as well.
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#33 3DSOG
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ok look at it this way, steam offers all of those same things (including super meat boy) and it has always been free. lets say next week they announce a raise in the price from $0 to $10, but nothing about the service changes. how is that justifiable?

BTBAM127
Your absolutely right. Say, when was the last steam sale on RED DEAD REDEMPTION.
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[QUOTE="MonsieurX"]How do you explain Steam,that's better and free?3DSOG
Im comparing psn and Xbox live. Steam is OBVIOUSLY the better choice.

You can't just ignore steam

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#35 3DSOG
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[QUOTE="3DSOG"][QUOTE="MonsieurX"]How do you explain Steam,that's better and free?spookykid143

Im comparing psn and Xbox live. Steam is OBVIOUSLY the better choice.

You can't just ignore steam

I can ignore steam when it doesn't even have this years heavy hitting games. God of war 3 Alan wake Heavy rain Halo reach red dead redemption.
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#37 R3FURBISHED
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[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]

And compared to MMO prices...Live is dirt cheap.

spookykid143

Dear God

F* Guild Wars. And F* any other ***ass MMO you want to throw out. At least from my experiences the only MMO there is is that damnedable thing called WOW.

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[QUOTE="spookykid143"]

[QUOTE="3DSOG"] Im comparing psn and Xbox live. Steam is OBVIOUSLY the better choice.3DSOG

You can't just ignore steam

I can ignore steam when it doesn't even have this years heavy hitting games. God of war 3 Alan wake Heavy rain Halo reach red dead redemption.

What does games have to do with online ?
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[QUOTE="Squall18"]

IMO, I think Xbox live is SO much easier to pick up and navigate as opposed to PSN. By navigate I mean ease of use capabilities.

PSN is great, but heck, Xbox live is just the king of console online services.

FragTycoon

XBL and PSNis navigated almost the same way minus the advertisements :lol:

Seriously? The two are WAY different to me. I like the PSP dash on the PS3, but when it comes to game chat, updates, using the mic (gawd, turning on the blue tooth mic via the dashboard is SO annoying sometimes), and the PSN store can get tedious depending on what ur doing.

Live's dashboard to me is WAY more organized, easy, adn quicker.

But, then again, tahts just me. I LOVE the PS3, but I don't think PSN plus comes near to xbox live from my experiences.

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#40 BTBAM127
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[QUOTE="BTBAM127"]

ok look at it this way, steam offers all of those same things (including super meat boy) and it has always been free. lets say next week they announce a raise in the price from $0 to $10, but nothing about the service changes. how is that justifiable?

3DSOG

Your absolutely right. Say, when was the last steam sale on RED DEAD REDEMPTION.

RDR is not on PC

edit: i see what you did there. when was the last time civ V was on sale for the consoles?

edit 2: that ^ argument is going to go absolutely nowhere

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#41 _SWAG_
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imho anything live can do psn does it better. psn is better because its free plus with psnplus you get free games. whens the last time you got free games for xbl?

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#42 3DSOG
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[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"][QUOTE="spookykid143"] F* Guild Wars. And F* any other ***ass MMO you want to throw out. At least from my experiences the only MMO there is is that damnedable thing called WOW.

[QUOTE="3DSOG"]I guess sheep think their sooo smart cause they can memorize 10 DIGITS. Ok I'll explain it for you slower. 5.... CENTS.... EXTRA A DAY Thats the justification The justification is...."who cares?"Slashkice

The degree of the increase isn't an explanation for the increase. You're just spinning numbers to downplay the price hike - which you wouldn't have to do if the increase was justified.

It's more like this. Lets say your in debt to a friend. If you owe him 10$ you owe him 10$ for the services he provided you. You give him 1$. Your still in debt so it's fair. Justified. You paid him more money but it's justified because your still in debt to him
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Ironic how this works. M$ is turning into sony, adding things to xbl that gamers don't need and I don't see any lem complaining about it lol. They used to give the cows hell for that crap and now look how the tables have turned. M$ increased the price of xbl because of all the things they're thinking of adding to the service like cable tv.And the cows now attack ideals they used to defend lol, I love this place man.

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[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"][QUOTE="UCF_Knight"] Who's to say we weren't unlucky that we ever had to pay in the first place? :?UCF_Knight
Live is a service, you have to pay to use the service...isn't that how things work?

I don't have to pay for STEAM or PSN. So how does it work again?

I still don't get how Steam is like Live. But as I have already said maybe I'm just not using it to its fullest (probably cause I don't like Steam...probably)

And PSN is different. Sure its free...but the F* really cares? And PSN isn't really free anymore, because I don't see how you can say it is free when you are talking about the inferior service. Sure I don't pay anything for PSN, but from what I've read about Plus, I'm not getting half of what is now offered.

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#45 gago-gago
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imho anything live can do psn does it better. psn is better because its free plus with psnplus you get free games. whens the last time you got free games for xbl?

_SWAG_
There's actually two free games right now thanks to Doritos, they're fun games too lol.
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#46 3DSOG
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We are getting MORE than we paid for for xbox live You get a years worth of entertainment free demos Contests music videos. All for the same price as a game. It's like an mmorpg. Now if live went to about 85$. Then it wouldnt be justified 70$ aint that bad of a price. But around 80$....yeah.
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#47 UCF_Knight
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[QUOTE="3DSOG"]It's more like this. Lets say your in debt to a friend. If you owe him 10$ you owe him 10$ for the services he provided you. You give him 1$. Your still in debt so it's fair. Justified. You paid him more money but it's justified because your still in debt to him

That logic has me completely convinced. I totally agree now TC, the hike is definitely justified. :)
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#48 MonsieurX
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How come you get more? AFAIK,you still game the exact same service as you use to pay for
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#49 3DSOG
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[QUOTE="3DSOG"]We are getting MORE than we paid for for xbox live You get a years worth of entertainment free demos Contests music videos. All for the same price as a game. It's like an mmorpg. Now if live went to about 85$. Then it wouldnt be justified 70$ aint that bad of a price. But around 80$....yeah.

60$- Still good. 65- still ok 70- acceptable 75- barely acceptable 80$-uh.........idk... 85- No way in hell.
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#50 BTBAM127
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We are getting MORE than we paid for for xbox live You get a years worth of entertainment free demos Contests music videos. All for the same price as a game. It's like an mmorpg. Now if live went to about 85$. Then it wouldnt be justified 70$ aint that bad of a price. But around 80$....yeah.3DSOG

how about $300 and you get a free console and controller? and its a one time fee