At this point its cheaper to buy a prebuilt PC since PC manufacturers already buy their parts in bulk and most newcomers going into PC gaming start by building their PC or upgrading one they already have so prebuilt gaming PCs are in an abundance.
Part 3: X1X = 1070 Performance, for 2/3 the price of a 1070 alone
Ahahahahaha no........ Try RX580 performance.
Nope
Now I have to make you look silly
1. PC benchmarks are at MAX..... Xbox X does not use MAX settings so comparison charts like this are WRONG. Drop the game from MAX across the board to match Xbox X quality settings and RX580 jumps up in performance.
2. There's more then just Forza on Xbox X........ In other games it's performing at RX580 level (In some games even worse) and simply using 1 game as a measurement and basis for comparison is just fucking dumb.
People mining crazy imaginary magical internet beans are literally using 1% of the entire planet's electricity supply. They're also doing a damn good job making the X1X look a lot more appealing than it did a couple months ago.
hahah, i just checked the prices of 1080 gtxs at amazon.ca. What the hells happened to the prices in the last couple months ??? I actually felt bad spending $739.99 CDN + tax on an evga 1080gtx SC2, but now looking back on it, it looks like its good I bought it.
I'm seeing 1080gtx's for 1000-1500 dollars now, all I can say is wtf. That is a total scam, even what I paid was a scam. I bought my 1080gtx back at the end of September 2017.
Just nasty stuff, this makes PC gaming look awful, how can you get a gaming pc when you have to spend everything you have on just a video card. Looks like some serious price fixing going on here, I'd like to see it investigated. Similar to RAM price fixing that has happening many times over the last 20+ years.
I not sure if its mining, it seems like a nice excuse for companies like Nvidia and AMD to get together and jack up their prices of their cards to take advantage of the consumer.
It's not price fixing. Demand greatly exceeds supply now (due to mining), so prices skyrocket. GPUs are sold out everywhere, and sell out instantly when new stock arrives.
Volta prices are going to be ridiculous when it launches since a new video card series = more efficient mining.
If a 1080 earns you $10 a day, a 2080 will make significantly more (mining isn't like gaming when it comes to upgrades). I wouldn't be shocked if the retail price of the GTX 2080 hits $1500-2000+ by the end of the year.
I don't understand why people are still using Forza 7 "Ultra" as a benchmark. Let me preface by saying 1) I love Forza, 2) it looks fantastic, 3) my PC cannot run it in 4K on Ultra. That out of the way, here's the problem with pointing to "Forza 7 4K 60 at Ultraish" and using this as proof of the power of the X1X:
The term "Ultra" has no standardized meaning. Whatsoever. From dev to dev, and engine to engine, and GAME to GAME, this term is nothing more than a label the devs assigned to a graphics preset. It absolutely does not mean "the max a PC could do" or "the best this game could look".
"Ultra" for one game could be a piece of cake for a GTX 1060, and for another game bring a 1080TI well below 60fps. So with that in mind, what exactly does a game, built around XBox, running at "PC near Ultra settings" mean to us? There is nothing stopping the devs from optimizing the crap out of the game to run rock solid on X1X at 4K, and saying "ok, these settings: that's what we're gonna label 'Ultra' on PC. Done."
There are a few reasons they would do this. Firstly, it saves them time and money. They found gorgeous settings after tons of fine tuning; would the end user get that much more out of pushing the presets further? Eh, probably not, so stop there. Second, my tinfoil hat says that as a first party title that happens to be a multiplat, it sure would look good for the new flagship xbox if it had a game people at places like SW could wave around and say "look! 4k60 Ultra on a console!". Now wouldn't it.
A perfect example is a game like TW3, which wound up with max settings well below the reveal appearance on PC, and this lead to a bunch of master racers with top-of-the-line GPUs being pissed off because they knew the game could look even better on their rig. For them, "max" was not "max", and they'd seen what max could have looked like. (personally I think it looks great and couldn't have pushed it that far anyway)
Again, I'm not casting a stone here, because the X1X has a better GPU than my PC, and I would not be able to run this game at those settings at 4K60 at this time. But the text "Ultra" doesn't make this some kind of standardized benchmark to jump up and down over.
Part 3: X1X = 1070 Performance, for 2/3 the price of a 1070 alone
Ahahahahaha no........ Try RX580 performance.
Nope
Now I have to make you look silly
1. PC benchmarks are at MAX..... Xbox X does not use MAX settings so comparison charts like this are WRONG. Drop the game from MAX across the board to match Xbox X quality settings and RX580 jumps up in performance.
2. There's more then just Forza on Xbox X........ In other games it's performing at RX580 level (In some games even worse) and simply using 1 game as a measurement and basis for comparison is just fucking dumb.
So what are the differences between X1X and PC Ultra settings to make a 50% difference in frame rates? ?
Part 3: X1X = 1070 Performance, for 2/3 the price of a 1070 alone
Ahahahahaha no........ Try RX580 performance.
Nope
Forza is a first party title optimised for the X1X. Third party titles run like hot garbage on the X1X.
It's also not running on ultra as the poster above pointed out
And every 3rd party game has had zero development time with X1X hardware, so what exactly is more fair? The 3rd party games are gonna get better and more optimized. wWhat matters is what we see on our screens, not the raw power of the GPU.
Forza is a first party title optimised for the X1X. Third party titles run like hot garbage on the X1X.
It's also not running on ultra as the poster above pointed out
And every 3rd party game has had zero development time with X1X hardware, so what exactly is more fair? The 3rd party games are gonna get better and more optimized. wWhat matters is what we see on our screens, not the raw power of the GPU.
If the X1X was as powerful as the 1070, devs wouldn't need to spend development time with the hardware. If you have to sped time optimizing the shit out of a game so it runs smoothly on specific hardware, it means the hardware isn't powerful.
Forza is a first party title optimised for the X1X. Third party titles run like hot garbage on the X1X.
It's also not running on ultra as the poster above pointed out
And every 3rd party game has had zero development time with X1X hardware, so what exactly is more fair? The 3rd party games are gonna get better and more optimized. wWhat matters is what we see on our screens, not the raw power of the GPU.
If the X1X was as powerful as the 1070, devs wouldn't need to spend development time with the hardware. If you have to sped time optimizing the shit out of a game so it runs smoothly on specific hardware, it means the hardware isn't powerful.
I never said it’s as powerful as a 1070, I said performance is equal, there’s a difference
How do they expect people to get into pc gaming with these prices? I understand that it's the result of bit mining but this is just plain ridiculous. Just now I wanted to see if I can upgrade my GTX 970 and I went over to Amazon and Newegg to check prices on the 1070. It is being sold for over $900. Well I guess it'll be years before I upgrade.
That's kinda odd, there is less stock over here (belgium, europe) but still enough 1070 to get a 500 isch euros.
I'm kinda in the same boat though, want to upgrade my gtx 970, but it's for fallout 4 vr, and I think a 1070 might not cut it lol.
500 bucks for a entry level already somewhat older gpu, think about that for a second.
Forza is a first party title optimised for the X1X. Third party titles run like hot garbage on the X1X.
It's also not running on ultra as the poster above pointed out
And every 3rd party game has had zero development time with X1X hardware, so what exactly is more fair? The 3rd party games are gonna get better and more optimized. wWhat matters is what we see on our screens, not the raw power of the GPU.
If the X1X was as powerful as the 1070, devs wouldn't need to spend development time with the hardware. If you have to sped time optimizing the shit out of a game so it runs smoothly on specific hardware, it means the hardware isn't powerful.
I never said it’s as powerful as a 1070, I said performance is equal, there’s a difference
You don't know what settinsg the xbox run at, they could have draw distances etc all nuked down. They could have baked lightning / shadows in distances specifically catered towards that version to speed up performance while the PC version doesn't have that and get extra hit by additional performance hits.
It's a game made by them, they have full control on top of it on what they do with it. they could also release on purpose a seriously unoptimized version just to give the "parity or push tehre xbox one x is really powerful" type of image.
Through the years, these company's proofed to be shady enough to allow this without any problem.
Therefore any comparison between that makes zero sense.
A 1070 is far far more powerful then what is in the xbox one x, the 1060 will already outperform the xbox one x on the same settings in any game. Unless they spended like i said specific amounts of time to push performance forwards by pretty much changing stuff which makes it not comparable anymore.
And that's just GPU wise.
Linking a forza benchmark, means absolute nothing and proofs absolute nothing.
In order to draw conclusions, you will have to check out games that are specifically optimized and run updated versions for both consoles and pc and know the exact settings and replicate the exact scenerio's over multiple games of the same type of taxation like.
There is no point in comparing for example a mmo game with 2000 players on your screen against a uncharted game and draw the conclusion that 2x titan x on that mmo are not as powerful as a ps3 because look can't even hold 30 fps at 480p.
This is why sites like DF and most other click bait sites are such a joke nowadays. they do anything to get the clicks and provide in the meanwhile incorrect or even straight up wrong information.
A perfect example is a game like TW3, which wound up with max settings well below the reveal appearance on PC, and this lead to a bunch of master racers with top-of-the-line GPUs being pissed off because they knew the game could look even better on their rig. For them, "max" was not "max", and they'd seen what max could have looked like. (personally I think it looks great and couldn't have pushed it that far anyway)
If I remember, a lot of hardcore PC gamers got mad as Hell with CDPR when TW3 got downgraded for consoles. I don't follow the master racers around here, but I do know for a fact they got piss off when they saw the results. Me, I didn't care about that whole downgrade fiasco, as long as the game itself deliver the execution, it's all that matters.
A perfect example is a game like TW3, which wound up with max settings well below the reveal appearance on PC, and this lead to a bunch of master racers with top-of-the-line GPUs being pissed off because they knew the game could look even better on their rig. For them, "max" was not "max", and they'd seen what max could have looked like. (personally I think it looks great and couldn't have pushed it that far anyway)
If I remember, a lot of hardcore PC gamers got mad as Hell with CDPR when TW3 got downgraded for consoles. I don't follow the master racers around here, but I do know for a fact they got piss off when they saw the results. Me, I didn't care about that whole downgrade fiasco, as long as the game itself deliver the execution, it's all that matters.
It sucks they had to downgrade because it was a huge downgrade, but it had to happen. The console market is much bigger than PC, and they needed the extra sales. Mods allow PC to regain some of the lost fidelity (obviously nothing close to the pre-downgrade version, but still miles better than the console version).
@UssjTrunks: I'm not pointing PC gamers out because TW3 got downgraded, I'm all in for criticizing CDPR but all I ask is the game to be good and fun to play. I got what I wanted in the end.
At this point its cheaper to buy a prebuilt PC since PC manufacturers already buy their parts in bulk and most newcomers going into PC gaming start by building their PC or upgrading one they already have so prebuilt gaming PCs are in an abundance.
If anything, I'll just stick with my GPU's for longer.
If they are more expensive, so bit it. We PC gamers have been threated these past years with cheap prices on RAM and HDDs, to give but a few examples.
OP can't believe it I can. Did you really think getting the graphic output with the frames per second quality was going to be cheap? Yeah right. Plus all of the PC enthusiast helped build a culture of the PC elitism of "we must have only the best graphics and run on a patato" I think PC gaming a great altenative from console gaming I just not paying the price for the super graphics and processor cards.
@360ru13r: I think you're missing the point. It's not a rant that high end gpus cost a lot, it's a rant that the exact same high end gpus suddenly cost multiple times what they did a year ago.
OP can't believe it I can. Did you really think getting the graphic output with the frames per second quality was going to be cheap? Yeah right. Plus all of the PC enthusiast helped build a culture of the PC elitism of "we must have only the best graphics and run on a patato" I think PC gaming a great altenative from console gaming I just not paying the price for the super graphics and processor cards.
I think you missed the point. The GPU´s high price, is because of Crypto miners, not because it´s a normal growth in price.
And as the OP it´s pretty shit that these people are "hurting" PC gaming.
But hopefully with the recent decline in most crypto´s it will get back to normal prices by end of this year.
I think you missed the point. The GPU´s high price, is because of Crypto miners, not because it´s a normal growth in price.
And as the OP it´s pretty shit that these people are "hurting" PC gaming.
But hopefully with the recent decline in most crypto´s it will get back to normal prices by end of this year.
Oh it's getting back now. The recent decline was due to the Chinese new year. Asia is the largest market by volume and a lot of cryptomoney was exchanged to fiat currency which deflated the market value. Things are now trending up and by early February, we should be back at it. My miners have taken a hit of about 20-50% in fiat conversion but I ain't worried.
I think you missed the point. The GPU´s high price, is because of Crypto miners, not because it´s a normal growth in price.
And as the OP it´s pretty shit that these people are "hurting" PC gaming.
But hopefully with the recent decline in most crypto´s it will get back to normal prices by end of this year.
Oh it's getting back now. The recent decline was due to the Chinese new year. Asia is the largest market by volume and a lot of cryptomoney was exchanged to fiat currency which deflated the market value. Things are now trending up and by early February, we should be back at it. My miners have taken a hit of about 20-50% in fiat conversion but I ain't worried.
You may want to double check your calendar, Chinese New Year is February 16th.
You may want to double check your calendar, Chinese New Year is February 16th.
Yep and what's been happening since early January are the people in Asia are selling their cryptos for fiat currency in anticipation of the new year. Has been happening for 4 years at this time of the year.
I think you missed the point. The GPU´s high price, is because of Crypto miners, not because it´s a normal growth in price.
And as the OP it´s pretty shit that these people are "hurting" PC gaming.
But hopefully with the recent decline in most crypto´s it will get back to normal prices by end of this year.
Oh it's getting back now. The recent decline was due to the Chinese new year. Asia is the largest market by volume and a lot of cryptomoney was exchanged to fiat currency which deflated the market value. Things are now trending up and by early February, we should be back at it. My miners have taken a hit of about 20-50% in fiat conversion but I ain't worried.
Not good news. the crypto bubble needs to burst.
And btw thanks for ruining Gaming for all of us ;) at least i hope you make a profit from your machines.
hahah, i just checked the prices of 1080 gtxs at amazon.ca. What the hells happened to the prices in the last couple months ??? I actually felt bad spending $739.99 CDN + tax on an evga 1080gtx SC2, but now looking back on it, it looks like its good I bought it.
I'm seeing 1080gtx's for 1000-1500 dollars now, all I can say is wtf. That is a total scam, even what I paid was a scam. I bought my 1080gtx back at the end of September 2017.
Just nasty stuff, this makes PC gaming look awful, how can you get a gaming pc when you have to spend everything you have on just a video card. Looks like some serious price fixing going on here, I'd like to see it investigated. Similar to RAM price fixing that has happening many times over the last 20+ years.
I not sure if its mining, it seems like a nice excuse for companies like Nvidia and AMD to get together and jack up their prices of their cards to take advantage of the consumer.
It's not price fixing. Demand greatly exceeds supply now (due to mining), so prices skyrocket. GPUs are sold out everywhere, and sell out instantly when new stock arrives.
Ya it seems like thats the cause currently. I was checking around at other sites to see prices, seems like almost every single 1080gtx is sold out or been jacked up to $1500 + or more.
Yeah, looks like it's legitimate because video card stocks are so low. However, RAM is bloated beyond insane prices, and Chinese regulators are looking at a possible price fixing from the manufacturers. You can find RAM everywhere, and it's always on sale(for absurdly high prices, but it looks like a deal since the price bloat), so it seems a bit fishy.
As expected for Final Fantasy 15, Xbox One X delivers the same three modes as the Pro. 30fps target, while steady drops back resolution to 1080p and targets the base consoles' visual feature set.
PlayerUnknown's Battleground's locked at 30FPS on Xbox One
Unfortunately, you won't get a frame-rate increase. Origins targets 30fps on all consoles.
A native 3840x2160 at 30 frames per second.
Halo Wars 2 Xbox One X, 30 fps.
Dips from their 30 frames per second targets during more intense, effect-heavy gameplay in Fallout 4, the Xbox One X dropped a little more often.
"In Fortnite, why are the frames droping everytime i spawn in and also everytime i get in a gun fight? right now the game is unplayable start shooting and the game basicly just freezes. it also happens at late game when less that 10 people are alive? please fix asap the update is good but it had some effect performance".
Checkerboard rendering is a way of essentially splitting a screen image into a tiny grid and only rendering every other square. A filter then reconstructs the missing parts to create the target resolution, using less processing power as a result. It's practically indistinguishable to the human eye but technically not 'true' 4K.
Yeah, looks like it's legitimate because video card stocks are so low. However, RAM is bloated beyond insane prices, and Chinese regulators are looking at a possible price fixing from the manufacturers. You can find RAM everywhere, and it's always on sale(for absurdly high prices, but it looks like a deal since the price bloat), so it seems a bit fishy.
There was an investigation in 2004 and Samsung were found guilty and charged for RAM price fixing. Seems they learned nothing. 16GB of DDR4 is 200$ these days. I remember the glory days where 16GB of the current RAM was 100$.
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