I don't know what people(cows) were expecting Halo Reach to be.

[QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

[QUOTE="matthans"] Kingpin if God of War 3 doesn't score a 10 on GS i'll buy you a Ps3 and gow 3 so you can suffer through all its 9.5 greatnessmatthans

Do you think GOW3 is innovative? Im curious to see your answer.

Yep.

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="lucky_star"]

^^ yet another fakeboy that has completely forgotten that it's called HALO 3:ODST...it's the same engine :roll: and nice crappy pic of a unfinished game.lawlessx

It's not a rehash though :?

[QUOTE="matthans"][QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

What are you talking about?

Actually I didn't say that at all. Basically what I was saying is that if cows think Halo Reach is just a big rehash...well so is GOW3 going by thier logic.

This one really brought them out of the woodwork.

The game looks great. It's looks like they added a nice DoF effect, ambient occlusion, better textures, better models, more realistic lighting, new animations, and they also are running in a higher resolution. Haters gonna hate.

Not to mention that the gameplay will be top notch in both the SP and MP modes. I can't wait. Halo is just one of those games that has incredible replay value and long lasting appeal. I look forward to burning many hours of my life playing this epic game. Unless I get killed in a car accident, then I will just be decomposing in a box.

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="lucky_star"] Even if its using the same engine doesnt mean it cant be improved. Look at UE3. I dont really giva a *****. Keep hyping it, you deserve a better game than a rehash when you keep supporting Bungie ,but i guess your happy with it, paying full price...

lucky_star

It's not a rehash though :?

Do you consider GoWIII a rehash as well? GT5? Gears of War 2? Forza 3?

Reach is changing the formula more so than alot of games - I just don't see how you can call it a rehash?

I never said it was the second coming. I'm just saying you're ignoring the jump for Halo 3 to Reach.

1) Customizable loadoats - Selecting weapon and equipment before going into battle

2) Single use equipment is gone. Replaced by reusable armor permutations

3) At least four new weapons and one new enemy type

4) Enviroments are larger and more open than previous Halo - a quasi-sandbox eniroment

5) Motion capture animation and assassinations animations

6) Gameplay appears to be sped up significantly from Halo 3 - closer to Halo 2's speed/weight

7) Return of the Halo CE/ ODST health System

8) At least 2 new game modes, Head Hunter and Invasion - with several more being hinted at in the trailer

9) Double the amount of AI on screen

And as you said, improved character models, guns, and pretty much a confirmed overhaul of the Halo engine and increase in visual fidelity.

And again, I'll say it also has a completely new campaign and multiplayer suite - as well as the returning Halo feature set of 4 player c-op campaign, metagame, Theatre, and Forge. For $60.

Now, maybe you can explain how that seems like a rehash.

[QUOTE="lucky_star"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

It's not a rehash though :?

Do you consider GoWIII a rehash as well? GT5? Gears of War 2? Forza 3?

Reach is changing the formula more so than alot of games - I just don't see how you can call it a rehash?

I never said it was the second coming. I'm just saying you're ignoring the jump for Halo 3 to Reach.

1) Customizable loadoats - Selecting weapon and equipment before going into battle

2) Single use equipment is gone. Replaced by reusable armor permutations

3) At least four new weapons and one new enemy type

4) Enviroments are larger and more open than previous Halo - a quasi-sandbox eniroment

5) Motion capture animation and assassinations animations

6) Gameplay appears to be sped up significantly from Halo 3 - closer to Halo 2's speed/weight

7) Return of the Halo CE/ ODST health System

8) At least 2 new game modes, Head Hunter and Invasion - with several more being hinted at in the trailer

9) Double the amount of AI on screen

And as you said, improved character models, guns, and pretty much a confirmed overhaul of the Halo engine and increase in visual fidelity.

And again, I'll say it also has a completely new campaign and multiplayer suite - as well as the returning Halo feature set of 4 player c-op campaign, metagame, Theatre, and Forge. For $60.

Now, maybe you can explain how that seems like a rehash.

[QUOTE="lawlessx"][QUOTE="lucky_star"] Yes its the second coming of J.C. Please tell us how its changing the formula of halo? Because what ive seen and heard, it isnt changing anything else but the Character models. lucky_star

OK Mr. PS3 fanboy we get it. You're unimpressed by Reach because it's not a PS3 exclusive.

I doubt you're going to end up buying it so why do you care anyway?

[QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

[QUOTE="matthans"] kingpin saying how we shouldnt be hyping gow3 ive seen footage of two of the years "goty" contenders its obvious which one impressedpeaceoutmedusa

Actually I didn't say that at all. Basically what I was saying is that if cows think Halo Reach is just a big rehash...well so is GOW3 going by thier logic.

Umm...Halo Reach can also be played alone, and it has new environments and exploration as well. It seems like the cows definition of rehash is a game that supposedly doesn't look visually different(even it does) and uses the same formula as its prodecessor. Well... that makes GOW3 a rehash too then.

[QUOTE="lucky_star"]

he didn't call it the 2nd coming:| and he doesn't have to tell you..you can just watch the trailer again.lawlessx

OK Mr. PS3 fanboy we get it. You're unimpressed by Reach because it's not a PS3 exclusive.

I doubt you're going to end up buying it so why do you care anyway?

I mean if you like it, then go ahead and buy it. I am not (personally) trying to tell any of you if you should like the game or not. It just isnt that much of a revision to me.peaceoutmedusa

I can deal with that. Different strokes and all.

I just astounds me that this board and look at Halo and say "It's just another Halo" and then then praise any other game when arguably, Halo offers more. Earlier today, in the SCII thread, the sentiment was "Don't change was isn't broken." Reading previews of GoWIII, it seems it didn't change what wasn't broken either. They add to it the already existing core, but for some reason when Halo does it, the reply is "Should have changed more". It's just hypocritical.

Not directed at you though. 8)

A completely different and new game? Why? It is Halo, I hope you understand that....it's not a brand new franchise or anything. How different was UC2 compared to Uncharted? Barely any difference at all. How differenct was MW2 to MW1? Other then no dedicated servers, there was not a single significant difference. To be honest, I can't really name a series that aren't similar. It's called Halo: Reach, it's not a new IP. Explain to me what you thought this game was going to be.

peanutbudduh

Haters, especially sony fanboys, dont care about how it looks or plays....they just blindly bash the game. Even if it looked better than Crysis, they would still say it was Halo3.5...

[QUOTE="matthans"][QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

Do you think GOW3 is innovative? Im curious to see your answer.

Kingpin0114

Yep.

innovation:it'll be the first game to require you to shovel your

lower half of your skull off the floor(according to previews)

face it the 360s maxed lets just both agree on that and move on

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="lucky_star"] Even if its using the same engine doesnt mean it cant be improved. Look at UE3. I dont really giva a *****. Keep hyping it, you deserve a better game than a rehash when you keep supporting Bungie ,but i guess your happy with it, paying full price...

lucky_star

It's not a rehash though :?

Do you consider GoWIII a rehash as well? GT5? Gears of War 2? Forza 3?

Reach is changing the formula more so than alot of games - I just don't see how you can call it a rehash?

[QUOTE="peanutbudduh"]

A completely different and new game? Why? It is Halo, I hope you understand that....it's not a brand new franchise or anything. How different was UC2 compared to Uncharted? Barely any difference at all. How differenct was MW2 to MW1? Other then no dedicated servers, there was not a single significant difference. To be honest, I can't really name a series that aren't similar. It's called Halo: Reach, it's not a new IP. Explain to me what you thought this game was going to be.

Haters, especially sony fanboys, dont care about how it looks or plays....they just blindly bash the game. Even if it looked better than Crysis, they would still say it was Halo3.5...

[QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

[QUOTE="lucky_star"] Everytime i see it, it looks worse. Thanks.

lucky_star

OK Mr. PS3 fanboy we get it. You're unimpressed by Reach because it's not a PS3 exclusive.

I doubt you're going to end up buying it so why do you care anyway?

Yet I'll probably still see you here bashing the game.

Figures.

[QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

[QUOTE="matthans"] do you really want me to elaborate ?matthans

Yep.

So it's innovative because it has a good story, superb visuals and is deprived of glitches?

Do you even know what innovative means?

[QUOTE="lucky_star"][QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

OK Mr. PS3 fanboy we get it. You're unimpressed by Reach because it's not a PS3 exclusive.

I doubt you're going to end up buying it so why do you care anyway?

SpinoRaptor24

Yet I'll probably still see you here bashing the game.

Figures.

[QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

[QUOTE="matthans"] do you really want me to elaborate ?matthans

Yep.

Well then...Halo Reach is innovative by your standards.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="peanutbudduh"]

A completely different and new game? Why? It is Halo, I hope you understand that....it's not a brand new franchise or anything. How different was UC2 compared to Uncharted? Barely any difference at all. How differenct was MW2 to MW1? Other then no dedicated servers, there was not a single significant difference. To be honest, I can't really name a series that aren't similar. It's called Halo: Reach, it's not a new IP. Explain to me what you thought this game was going to be.

matthans

Haters, especially sony fanboys, dont care about how it looks or plays....they just blindly bash the game. Even if it looked better than Crysis, they would still say it was Halo3.5...

I think you havent understood what makes Halo so great and what will make Reach so technically impressive for a console game! It obviously couldnt look as good as a scripted corridor game like Gears2 or Killzone2 simply because everything else is bigger. Environments, AIs, Vehicles, dinamic weather, coop, split screen, etc. The funny thing is even with all of this, the game still looks incredible.

I honestly would like to see Killzone2´s engine with all of that on screen and coop splitscreen running on a PS3. Im sure it wouldnt run on more than 5 frames p second... :P

[QUOTE="matthans"][QUOTE="Kingpin0114"]

Yep.

SpinoRaptor24

So it's innovative because it has a good story, superb visuals and is deprived of glitches?

Do you even know what innovative means?

advanced-tech

foward looking-epic ACTION story

modern-looks better than U2 I'd say thats pretty modern

groundbreaking-graphics king on consoles, good story, gameplay

and great presentation in a hack and slash:o theres a first time for everything

nope just waiting for halo to step it up i was extremley dissapointed when i saw halo 3 AFTER gears of war and it looked WORSE and gears of war 2 still looks better than reach come on.........reallymatthans

I think you havent understood what makes Halo so great and what will make Reach so technically impressive for a console game! It obviously couldnt look as good as a scripted corridor game like Gears2 or Killzone2 simply because everything else is bigger. Environments, AIs, Vehicles, dinamic weather, coop, split screen, etc. The funny thing is even with all of this, the game still looks incredible.

I honestly would like to see Killzone2´s engine with all of that on screen and coop splitscreen running on a PS3. Im sure it wouldnt run on more than 5 frames p second... :P

[QUOTE="matthans"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

I think you havent understood what makes Halo so great and what will make Reach so technically impressive for a console game! It obviously couldnt look as good as a scripted corridor game like Gears2 or Killzone2 simply because everything else is bigger. Environments, AIs, Vehicles, dinamic weather, coop, split screen, etc. The funny thing is even with all of this, the game still looks incredible.

I honestly would like to see Killzone2´s engine with all of that on screen and coop splitscreen running on a PS3. Im sure it wouldnt run on more than 5 frames p second... :P

matthans

I mean incredible for what its trying to do....and for consoles standards of course.

I recall lems saying "zomg teh new graphics engine is going to be nothing like we have ever seen"

[QUOTE="matthans"][QUOTE="matthans"]PAL360

I mean incredible for what the 360 is capable of doing ....and for consoles standards of course.

I recall lems saying "zomg teh new graphics engine is going to be nothing like we have ever seen"

Mattizzle815

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="matthans"] the game looks good ....incredible no just nomatthans

I mean incredible for what the 360 is capable of doing ....and for consoles standards of course.

Thats ok. Now the first and the second sentences say the exact same. "incredible for what this gen´s consoles are capable of doing"

[QUOTE="lucky_star"][QUOTE="SpinoRaptor24"]

OK Mr. PS3 fanboy we get it. You're unimpressed by Reach because it's not a PS3 exclusive.

I doubt you're going to end up buying it so why do you care anyway?

Yet I'll probably still see you here bashing the game.

Figures.

Gow 3 -cutting edge graphics (ya know what halo ce was) -best story in hack and slash genre -started the quick time fad and STILL the only one that can do it right (exception Resi 4 and Shenmue) -doubt it will be a bug fest (lookin at you Ninja Gaiden 2) -do i really need to say anymore ? -just by having a good story and epic scale is already innovative did you play any beat em up / hack and slash this gen ? and before you say bayonetta we all know what game that borrowed heavily off of and still the story was horrible so a hack and slash that can deliver on story, graphics, gameplay sound, its already innovative cause nothing during this gen in its genre will deliver on all fronts like gow3 willmatthans

So it's innovative because it has a good story, superb visuals and is deprived of glitches?

Do you even know what innovative means?

[QUOTE="matthans"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

I mean incredible for what the 360 is capable of doing ....and for consoles standards of course.

PAL360

Thats ok. Now the first and the second sentences say the exact same. "incredible for what this gen´s consoles are capable of doing"

later.....hmmmm

When i first heard of the first custom engine on the x360, i thought the game will look at least different than any Halo game, but it turned out that the game only looks better, it's ok for me, the game does wut every sequel does, better gfx + new tricks, but the biggest 2010 title propaganda is just crap,may be sales wise but that's about it.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="matthans"] fixed

matthans

Thats ok. Now the first and the second sentences say the exact same. "incredible for what this gen´s consoles are capable of doing"

later.....hmmmm

Its not about what cows are expecting it to be, its what lemmings and MS are hyping it to be.

So far we have seen threads like:

"omg Reach graphics king"

"Reach already GOTY for sure!"

"rebuilt engine graphix...etc" (looks exactly like Halo3 with ne character models)

"Reach massive improvements, new map and a jetpack" and your paying +60 bucks for it.

/Thread

lucky_star

Are you seriously saying it looks exactly like Halo 3 ? GO WATCH THE VIDOC. There are gameplay segments in there, that's what Halo Reach will look like. Not this third person, 20 feet over head view crap we're given for the multi-player trailer. That is just to show off new additions and give an example of the pacing for the online.

For one, cows once hyped Haze graphics king. Let's not be silly here, both lemmings and cows have their fair share of fanatical fanboys.

Secondly, it looks nothing like Halo 3. The style has obviously gone through a transformation into something more gritty and somber.

Third, Reach has a new campaign, new multiplayer, and more features than other console shooter. It also brings several changes to the Halo formula.

EDIT: So many errors...

Kickinurass

I'm pretty sure it was more than just cows that hyped Haze as graphics king back when it was still multiplat status.

For one, cows once hyped Haze graphics king. Let's not be silly here, both lemmings and cows have their fair share of fanatical fanboys.

Secondly, it looks nothing like Halo 3. The style has obviously gone through a transformation into something more gritty and somber.

Third, Reach has a new campaign, new multiplayer, and more features than other console shooter. It also brings several changes to the Halo formula.

EDIT: So many errors...

Kickinurass

i like the way this guy put the peices together, it made Halo reach looks like a totally different game, while in action (trailer based), the game looks pretty much like Halo 3, but i agree .

I think Halo Reach looks pretty fun.

It seems It's single player will look better than it's mutiplayer, however "if" that single player ends up looking like the videos bungie reased to off their vidoc then it will be one of the best looking games out.

Despite the insane hype of the game, I wasn't "expeting" anything. Bungie has lied about and over-blown the graphics and gameplay of their games in the past. So far from what I've seen however, it looks like they are going to deliver an awsomely fun game.

About the graphics, I stil haven't passed final judgement because I still haven't seen a direct feed HD video of the single player campaign to tell if the graphics will be closer to the vidoc from bungies website or the multiplayer videos shown on GS.

[QUOTE="peaceoutmedusa"]I mean if you like it, then go ahead and buy it. I am not (personally) trying to tell any of you if you should like the game or not. It just isnt that much of a revision to me.Kickinurass

I can deal with that. Different strokes and all.

I just astounds me that this board and look at Halo and say "It's just another Halo" and then then praise any other game when arguably, Halo offers more. Earlier today, in the SCII thread, the sentiment was "Don't change was isn't broken." Reading previews of GoWIII, it seems it didn't change what wasn't broken either. They add to it the already existing core, but for some reason when Halo does it, the reply is "Should have changed more". It's just hypocritical.

Not directed at you though. 8)