I don't see how Killzone 2 can get AAA...

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#1 efflux02
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Without split screen or co-op (or both)... how can this title compete with the big hitters of the FPS genre? Shouldn't that be an automatic 1 or 2 point deduction?

It's unfortunate too... I was hoping to play this locally with some friends.

Other than that, the title looks amazing... AA I think.

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#2 VendettaRed07
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i hate split screen, and co ops not that big of a deal. If the games good enough i mean why not
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#3 efflux02
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i hate split screen, and co ops not that big of a deal. If the games good enough i mean why notVendettaRed07

I'm from the Goldeneye 007 generation of gamers... I heart split screen.

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#4 nervmeister
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I think it could flop as well because of this. But I don't think it's guaranteed.
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#5 DarkyC
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Yes, Bioshock and Cod4 failed hard.:roll:
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#6 p4ddym
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It will get split screen via patch or is that coop. Cool features but you dont review a game based on a features checklist.
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#7 deactivated-5d6e91f5c147a
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No co-op? Who cares, if single and multi outweigh it, it'll be overshadowed. Like COD4.
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#8 RuinedMachine
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I don't get how people can play split-screen.
I hated it when I played Mario Kart on the SNES and I still do now.


To me split-screen totally ruins the gaming experience.
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Yes, Bioshock and Cod4 failed hard.:roll:DarkyC
same with F.E.A.R., half-life, and half-life 2 :P
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#10 Puckhog04
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GTAIV had only Co op of those 2 and it scored a 10. No split screen whatsoever.

Split screen just isn't as important as it once was. It's always nice to have but developers aren't going to put all their resources into making split screen like they used to. Lacking split screen and co op is far from knocking a games score down 1 or 2 points...GTAIV alone proves that.

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#11 p4ddym
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I think it could flop as well because of this. But I don't think it's guaranteed.nervmeister
Yeah right. Its not like a racing game. If a racing game doesnt have split screen then it might flop. Not as important in a shooter.
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#12 Ragashahs
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COD4 had no co op at all all it had was split screen multiplayer but it wasn't really good
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#13 blackace
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Without split screen or co-op (or both)... how can this title compete with the big hitters of the FPS genre? Shouldn't that be an automatic 1 or 2 point deduction?

It's unfortunate too... I was hoping to play this locally with some friends.

Other than that, the title looks amazing... AA I think.

efflux02
I have friends who are playing the Beta and everyone has said the game was impressive. I didn't think to highly of the game myself after the 1st one, but this one might be different. Knowing what I know now, my interested has been peaked.
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#14 thespywholied
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you mean if kz2 has no co-op it is crap?!?? NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! you see many shooters had no co-op and was not a failure...
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#15 metalgear-solid
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Gears of War did, so Killzone 2 should get AAA as well.

As for split screen, that is sad...:(

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#16 efflux02
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say Halo's success can be directly attributed to the split screen experience it offers. I think it matters quite a bit... that is, in the overall longevity of the game.

But yeah, Bioshock would be a good example of a high-rated title without it.

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Call of Duty 4 did.
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#18 Floppy_Jim
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I've seen the future and Killzone 2 achieves AAA. No splitscreen didn't stop COD4 achieving AAA.
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#19 MerisYaki
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Resistance got 9.0 here and it's generic as ever, so anything is possible.

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#20 p4ddym
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Resistance got 9.0 here and it's generic as ever, so anything is possible.

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No more generic than gears of war imo. But this topic is about whether split screen and coop matter.
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sucks to be you.
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#22 S3CR3T_SPY2
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[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]i hate split screen, and co ops not that big of a deal. If the games good enough i mean why notefflux02

I'm from the Goldeneye 007 generation of gamers... I heart split screen.

I'm from Atari 2600 generation...SO???
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#23 S3CR3T_SPY2
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sucks to be you. spike6566
Must suck even more for him not having a PS3
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[QUOTE="DarkyC"]Yes, Bioshock and Cod4 failed hard.:roll:ReaperV7
same with F.E.A.R., half-life, and half-life 2 :P

Here are the right answers. If the single player experience is deep enough co-op is not necessary.
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[QUOTE="DarkyC"]Yes, Bioshock and Cod4 failed hard.:roll:ReaperV7
same with F.E.A.R., half-life, and half-life 2 :P

dont forget Resident Evil 4!

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It will get split screen via patch or is that coop. Cool features but you dont review a game based on a features checklist.p4ddym
Yes, Bioshock and Cod4 failed hard.:roll:DarkyC
Call of Duty 4 DID have split-screen. I play it all the time. Also, a console shooter without split-screen multiplayer? What the hell is the point?
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#27 gdp72
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Splitscreen/co-op is for people who can't beat these type of games without help.:P
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#28 Mystery_Writer
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If you're too concerned about those 2 points then let's just hope kevin vanguard reviews it. He seems to be somewhat a moderate sony fan and might overlook the lack of coop.
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#29 CWEBB04z
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I never really liked split screen, but I like Co-op. If Killzone 2 has Co-op, im fine. Plus it has online, so what is the point of having a feature that 80% of the people will not use? When there is a shooters, the first thing that pops in your mind is online. All the developers resources are used in a feature everyone will use, and that is online mode.

If Resistance 2 (I dont really like that game) can get a 9.0, Killzone should easily surpass that.

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#30 CleanPlayer
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It'll get a 9. It's looking like it's turning out to be solid gold.
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#31 Hitman533
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Go play R2 if you wan't coop...
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#33 campzor
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[QUOTE="VendettaRed07"]i hate split screen, and co ops not that big of a deal. If the games good enough i mean why notefflux02

I'm from the Goldeneye 007 generation of gamers... I heart split screen.

Cod4 didnt have co-op + i hate split screen... asif i'd reduce my experience by half and have less action on my screen.
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#34 espoac
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Read the preview. Gamespot loved it. "The combat is intense, the visual aesthetics are amazing, and the level of difficulty provides a rewarding challenge. It seems that PlayStation 3 owners will have a lot to look forward to when the game is finally released."
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#35 Silverbond
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[QUOTE="ReaperV7"][QUOTE="DarkyC"]Yes, Bioshock and Cod4 failed hard.:roll:Bread_or_Decide
same with F.E.A.R., half-life, and half-life 2 :P

Here are the right answers. If the single player experience is deep enough co-op is not necessary.

If those are the right answers, I failed! :cry:

Can I retake the test please?

On topic: I'd rather play an epic single player story than crappy co-op and split-screen.

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#36 Couth_
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CoD4 AAA without splitscreen or coop. WaW AA WITH splitscreen and coop. KZ2 is focusing on other things more heavily. If the game doesn't' get AAA it won't be because it lacks split screen or coop
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#37 InfinityMugen
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If they get credibility for Killzone 2, they will probably add those things toward the sequel.
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#38 Couth_
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Go play R2 if you wan't coop...Hitman533
This is why it's ok for Sony to have two heavy hitter FPS Resistance 2 is the fast paced arcade style shooter. Killzone2 is the realistic, more strategic shooter.
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#39 Thessassin
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damn no splitscreen or coop..guarenteed flop.. oh wait! i wonder how other games without splitscreen or coop faired? MGS4..10 well i could go on but that kinda speaks for itself.