I don't understand how console gamers settle for 30fps.

gtx 1080ti is not cheap,also outdate quickly

Yet playing Forza Horizon 3 on my XB1 is a blast, meh you guys can talk frames, i'll just play my games.

I don't mind 30fps in slow paced games, but to be fair, there have never been as many console games running at 60fps as this generation. Basically most shooters, racers, fighting games, sport games, multiplayer games, indies, etc run at that framerate.

I believe in 9th generation, 30fps console games will be rare.

FPS junkies are ruining gaming.

Never really had a problem with it, my eyes are yet to be spoiled by PC gaming.

It's sad to see comments like this :(

I don't understand, since mah Pee Cee can't even do 2 fps on modern games. Tho soon mah spanking new bargain priced Mighty X1X with the phenom 4K 60 fps FM7 will be burning up the highways and byways.

Office business machines for gaming is just so wrong on so many levels. lolol :P

A 1080TI outdated quickly! what does that make the Unreleased One X then?

I'll be completely honest, I haven't had to deal with that on any new games for years and I actually kind of miss it. They've made updates so automatic and smooth now, it's pretty great. I can't remember the last time I've had to "try" to game on PC; I just do (play games, that is).

Hell, I loaded up Beyond Good and Evil (the news of Beyond Good and Evil 2 got me stoked!!) the other day on Windows 10 and with a right click and a check of Win XP SP3 compatibility mode, I was up and running at 1080p and god only knows how many frames per second. That's a 14 year old game, untouched and un-remastered that I didn't have to shell out another 60 dollars for, I might add :P

I still do on occasion with older games (yay "backwards compatibility"!) but, as I said, I miss it so it's fun once in a while :D

anyway, nice exaggeration there. Consoles have their advantages, but none of them are what you listed.

It's not just fast games that benefit from higher frame rates, it's every genre. Games like Witcher 3, GTA V, Tomb Raider and Ass Creed are far more enjoyable at 60FPS.

And why is it? Bare in mind I was a PC gamer and played everything at 1440p at max settings with a v-sync locked 60fps.

The problem is, this is the year 2017. We should be on 60fps by today's standards. Both Sony/MS aren't even trying to push 60fps on there hardware specs and all they care now is 4K. Gamers should have voice and send feedbacks to both of them for 60fps and all they did was argue for more resolution. When you said 30fps is fine, that's the kind of message both Sony/MS was looking for.

Its called .... "Ignorance is Bliss"

I don't get how PC gamers discount the fact that exclusives don't for Xbox when they are on PC. Most people hate PC. Truth.

They sure as hell aint on the Semi-Pro station in Dynamic Checkerboard 4K and half the detail missing to achieve that dynamic checkerboard fake 4K.

There are console games that are 60fps. Anyway I've played games at 60fps and ones that are 30fps and while the higher frame rates look and feel better I can play ones with a lower frame rate just fine as well.

Oh and ... "There are none so blind as those who will not see!"

Anybody who would say that is clueless about technology.

There's also the whole Sour Grapes mentality.

The problem is people like you expect miracles out of these boxes and then blame Microsoft and Sony for it when miracles don't happen, frame rate is ultimately the DEVELOPERS choice, can you imagine what developers would do if they were MANDATED AND FORCED to run at 60fps and that choice was taken away from them?..... You can either have state of the art graphcis or 60fps......

30fps IS fine, it's been fine for decades and will continue to be fine and to suggest otherwise is silly...

Shiny and fancy graphics at 30fps sell games a heck of a lot better then lower graphics at a higher frame rate does.

Well... they settled for a console, so.....

When someone says 1080ti is outdated, they think it's outdated when Volta is coming soon and it's why we see outdated crap nonsense on this forum.

I'm very tempted to go out and buy GTX 1080ti but at the same time, I love my 1070 as of now. Knowing Nvidia, they'll jacked up the price on Volta and when I see 1080ti on sale, I'll nab one if giving the chance.

Literally every videogame you ever played up until the advent of the progressive scan television maxed out at 30fps. So, if you grew up playing videogames and liked playing videogames, you can cut the crap with the "slide show" routine. That being said, of course having a nicer framerate is good. It's pretty much a necessity for any modern FPS, fighting game, or racer. It's just the height of stupidty to think that 30fps makes other game types unplayable or whatever. Unless you are 17 years old and don't remember 480i in your lifetime, it's a horse shit argument.

30 fps WAS fine, maybe around 20 years ago. As technology progresses guess what? Standards change with it. 480p resolution, 16,000 colors, static lighting & shadows (or no shadows at all), non-animated faces, single shaded colors per polygon... these were all fine for several years too. To suggest they would all be fine today... is silly.

Sure resources are limited on consoles where balance and compromise has to be set (same with a mid-range PC), but to place almost all focus on graphics appearance at the expense of performance shows a gross misjudgment of priorities. And "shiny graphics with 30 fps" sells so well on consoles because that's the only option given to the consumer. There's no contest even provided to assess what gamers would really want, given an actual choice.

@Jebus213:

Not exactly. 10-15 fps is a slide show. 30 fps is average. I enjoy 60 fps as much as anyone, but it's not really something that should be the standard.

You're only saying this because you're a fanboy of consoles which are too weak to do 60 fps in all titles. Even the new 1X.

30 fps is jarring to go back to, Giovela. To say otherwise is silly.

We've all heard that expression before, "The computer you just picked up is obsolete the second you take it out of the store." But as most anyone with common sense understands, it's just hyperbole. It's simply the catch-phrase way of acknowledging that technology moves at a very fast pace, of course something newer and better is always just around the corner. But that also comes with the understanding (or at least it should) that what you currently have will still be serviceable for a handful to several years, depending on how high or low end it was at the time. The general rule being; the more put into the initial investment, the longer it will last.

So with something as asinine as "GTX 1080 Ti outdated quickly", what is at this very moment the most powerful GPU currently available that comes at a premium price, even if gtx021 meant that as hyperbole, it's still the pinnacle of ignorance.

Sadly it wouldn't save you from the almost non existent bullshit you just made up.

yea 30fps can be really painful when you are used to 60. It reduces my enjoyment of a game significantly, especially in the kinds of games that are usually the console exclusives I play.

I do think its more tolerable with a controller compared to a mouse though. 30fps is a bit annoying but tolerable with a controller, its often unplayable with a keyboard and mouse in some games.

Would you like me to post pictures of the last PC I owned before I moved to console? As an FYI it was......

5Ghz 3770k, SLI GTX 970, 16Gb RAM and SSD's in RAID 0 all plugged in to a 27" 1440p monitor (My PS4 is now plugged in to said monitor)

I've been more then used to high frame rates....

So I'm not a fanboy of anything, I just say it how it is and sometime people don't like the truth.

Obligatory nerdy PC gamer circle jerk thread. Insecure people justifying their purchase and trying to add meaning to their lives. I have loved video games with all of their faults since the late seventies. I don't think in all that time I ever felt it necessary to have a smug, comic book guy from the simpsons, attitude about any of it. Video games are just fun for a person like me. It's a simple bit of fun that brings me joy and I happen to prefer consoles. Too many PC gamers with superiority complexes and insecurity issues is what it looks like from my end. The worst fanboy group going I think.

Titan XP 2.0 is already superior to GTX 1080 Ti, so what's else is new?

LOL awww so sweet to hear that ageold dumbo opinion. buuuuuu 60fps or i wont play buuuuuhuuuu.

30fps is fine.

Yes, up until the advent of progressive scan TV's. But nobody uses interlaced sets anymore, and we've even moved further beyond that even past resolution, to make great strides in color and shadow depth too. Hell the advancements in PC monitors like response time puts these large screen TVs to shame. So why should games still be made now for how TV's were back then? The fact that you're correlating low frame rate to outdated display tech is one hell of a weak defense for it.

Also it's not just a necessity for those 3 genres you list; FPS, Fighting and Racing. Higher frame rate is beneficial to every game in every genre. Doesn't matter what weapons you're fighting with, what quest you're taking, the enemies you're combating, the acrobatics you're performing, spells you're casting, the platforms you're jumping across, the tower you're scaling, the world you're traversing and exploring... these are all interactive experiences and the smoother they are with better response time, the better the engagement, the more seamless the immersion. Saying that frame rate only matters in some genres and others "less important" is just short sighted.

Oh and I'm way past 17 years old. I've been gaming since the Atari days when color pallets were limited to something like 16 in total. I've been through the cartridge days, floppy disk days, the bit wars, when CD-ROM was an optional add-on and not built in, when arcades still thrived and home ports were among the most popular console games, before there was any game saving and had to start each play through from the beginning, and getting online with dial-up modems and having to listen to the static pop "techno soundtrack" to get to the internet.

So from that perspective I'll say again what I said before in a previous response; standards change. I move forward with the technology, not stay stuck in the past.

You are a fanboy of consoles considering your posts and actions. What you own doesn't change this. You've always had a gaming rig yet been a console fanboy, Giovela. Since you own a gaming rig, why settle for the 30 fps version of most multiplats?

Also, your opinion is not the truth. The human eye easily discerns from 30 to 60. Many people simply can not go back.

Nah, it's jarring to me and thats a fact. I'll stick with 60fps.

This is bullshit considering most gfx and performance battling threads are ps4 fanboys vs xbox fanboys.

You're going to fight over 2-3 frame differences, and then call PC gamers elitist and insecure for bragging about 30 fps? Give it a rest.

Owned.

You actually probably need to post pictures (holding name card too) because what you're saying comes with no credibility.

He does have it, he always posts shots every gen. He always has the latest gaming rig and vehemently bashes PC. He's been doing this since SW started. He simply has an extremely contrarian viewpoint as far as pc vs console goes.

I find it comforting, personally, that one of the biggest PC haters of all time at GS SW always has to have the most up to date rig.

Even the biggest god damn hater can't escape the call of greatness.

#Winning.

Those threads arguing over performance between the Playstation and Xbox are completely ridiculous too. Many PC gamers are very elitist. Their fanboy name is "Master Race" for god's sake! How embarrassing. I realize not everyone who games on PC is a moron but this is the internet and they are the ones who stand out.

I don't see you posting this shit-post tirade in a majority of SW's front page threads - which are all xb vs. ps tech threads.

Give it a break.

@zaryia: I don't bother with calling out all of the nonsense I see here. It would be way to exhausting. I am most nauseated by the "PC master race" crap so I'm more likely to speak out against that. To be honest I mostly ignore those pointless Playstation versus Xbox threads. I will give it a break though, for now, as you asked. No harm meant to you personally.

30 fps is perfectly playable, but 60 is much better.

I recently finished Horizon Zero dawn, and while the 30 fps didn't really bother me after a period of adjustment (maybe an hour or two?) I couldn't help thinking just how much better the entire game would be if it ran at 60 fps.

Or heck, even a mode where the resolution/details could be dropped a bit more to allow 60 fps.

Unfortunately, Horizon is the exception to the rule, with it's near perfect frame pacing. A large number of games that run at "30 fps" will have sudden drops down to 25, or even sub 20 fps in some cases. This scenario is extremely annoying. Much more immersion breaking than a sudden drop from 60 fps to 50 fps.

Isn't it great that you can get 1080p 60 fps just with a 1060 in most games then?

I would say it's more like:

30 fps - adequately playable
60 fps - optimally playable
100+ fps (as long as you have supporting display) - ideally playable

Yeah, I think it depends on the person, and the type of games you play.

Once I hit about 80 fps, I don't really notice any additional smoothness by going higher.

I have a real hard time believing anyone who says they can't see any difference between 30 and 60 though.

That's how a closed platform works. Console gamers have to adapt to it.

PC spoiled all of us.

Stable 30FPS is passable (no prolonged dips), anything lower is unplayable especially at higher resolutions.

Unstable 60FPS is shit as well though, whatever the frame rate it has to be rock solid 98% of the time, I'd take stutter free 30 over stutter 60 because it makes me feel sick.

There are quite a few games even on PC where specs don't fix stutter, Farcry 4 is one of them, what such a chore to get through that game.

Nier Automata is borderline, wish people would finish their games before releasing them.

...and your point is?

Thank you for proving my point! You're not sending the message to console makers and today's year is 2017! 60fps is and should be standards and 30fps was soooooo decades ago.

@AdobeArtist: You're saying every game from that era has ceased to be good because standards change? You don't retro game at all, whatsoever? Because, if you do, that is a tantamount admission that framerate, shadow depth, color depth, and resolution are not what make a game actually good.

Now me? I'm gonna go play some Super Mario World on my SNES and try to forget such nonsense was ever said.