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#51 Norule04
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[QUOTE="The_Brodeo"]

[QUOTE="Norule04"]

First they remove ps2 backwards compatibility for the ps3 while still keeping the price pretty high. And now after almost 4 years they are still ast expensive as a Wii and 360 put together. Seriously drop the price and i'll be one of your first buyers..

anyone else really upset they didn't even consider a price drop at e3?

cainetao11

Why don't you take 3/4 of all the money you have to your name and burn it in a dumpster? The lack of basic business knowledge in here is embarrasing. Sony would love to give PS3's away if it meant more money for them, but that is not reality nor is cutting ther own throats to move a few more consoles.

Too true. These companies don't care about this race as much as we think they do. It's the bottom line that matters. And Sony's is in the red right now so a price cut is stupid. Getting more consoles out there would make some sense if there was a fee for PSN to recoup some loss. But most Sony fans would cry.

I don't think you people understand, consoles are meant to be sold at a loss. The purpose of consoles is to create a massive installed base so that SOFTWARE sales get a boost, that's where the real money is. It's called investment.

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#52 hakanakumono
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What are you taling about? When they removed PS2 BC 1/3 of the console cost was eliminated.

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#53 Norule04
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Sony is not going to drop the price in the Spring/Summer (the slowest part of the year for sales), they will cut the price sometime between Sept-Nov for maximum holiday impact. Does this make sense to you why they would do that? Good. Now that you realise this, you should certainly realise why they would not announce a pricecut at E3. That would basicly be shouting to the world: "Hey everyone! Don't buy a PS3 for the next 3-6 months because we are gonna cut the price by $100 soon!" This is a fairly easy concept to grasp, but some people just don't get it. MegajerkNYC

Fact is they should have dropped the price last holiday season. And really do you think it matters wether you drop the price now or later this year? I mean if you drop the price now it'll still be cheap later this year.. there won't be any 'impact' loss and the sales will still get a massive boost.

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#54 Norule04
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What are you taling about? When they removed PS2 BC 1/3 of the console cost was eliminated.

hakanakumono

They even removed the software ps2 backwards compatibility. I'm not even talking about the emotion chip..

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#55 campzor
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a playstation is not expensive.. i dont know about the states but here in australia.. u can work full time at like mcdonalds or something for a week and earn 700$ which is basically how much it is here!
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#56 Return-Fire
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I really hoping Sony would lower the price of the PS3 so MS would follow suit and I could get a nother 360 for system link. :(

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#57 simslifer
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People let's not get over our head the PS3 is at 23 MILLION

that's more sales than the gamecube

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#58 RotaryRX7
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[QUOTE="10thwonder"]

[QUOTE="Generalmojo"]

... lems pay $60 every year for online ontop of paying for 360 so im sure they can get a ps3

Uhm....I paid $38.97 with free shipping at newegg.com for a 12+1 month Gold subscription, that's under $3 a month for the best online experience of this generation.

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#59 RotaryRX7
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[QUOTE="comeonthehoops"][QUOTE="simslifer"]

[QUOTE="10thwonder"]

Uhm....I paid $38.97 with free shipping at newegg.com for a 12+1 month Gold subscription, that's under $3 a month for the best online experience of this generation.

best .. lol joke

try plaing gears 2 online

Good point cow. One slightly buggy game, that from what I've heard isn't even that bad anymore. I'm sure some PS3 games have dodgy online.

Absolutely, any PS3 game with a GameSpy server logo on it has a 130956813% chance of crap servers.
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#60 kingdre
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Price drops wouldn't make a difference to people who already have PS3s. Having said that, I admit I was a little disappointed to hear nothing of a price drop. Sony probably can't afford to do that just yet.

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#61 Messiahbolical-
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I think they're going to drop the price at TGS since it's closer to Christmas and it would get more attention.
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#62 OrwellJames
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Buy a 360 arcade today. Buy an overpriced hard drive tomorrow. Play online for a couple years. And congratulations, you just bought a PS3 without a Blu Ray drive or any of its exclusives.

Buy a Wii today. Buy 3 controllers tomorrow because online play is garbage. Buy a classic controller. Congratulations, you just bought a PS3 without a Blu Ray drive, any of the PS3 exclusives, but as an added bonus, you got a free downgrade to last gen graphics and the distinct possibility of having to register as a sex offended if you try to communicate with anyone else who owns a Wii.

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#63 X360PS3AMD05
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Everyone keeps saying they're still losing money, but i remember Sony being close to breaking even a long while back so i'm sure they're making money by now. Anyone with some links?
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#64 PSGamerforlife
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The PS2 is still the best selling system, Now why do you think that is?The Wii is better than the Gamecube and 360 is better than the first Xbox. PS3 is no where near is good as the PS2 , $ony, lower the price now.

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No your wrong, the Gamecube is alot better than the wii, so is the N64.

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#65 sasapac
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sony can't afford a ps3 price drop. i think they have to make a new ps3 model (with less features) witch will be cheaper

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#66 ___gamemaster__
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stop being cheapscake and buy a PS3. the price is fine considering what you'll get from it..

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#67 Malta_1980
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I am sure Sony will announce a major price-cut round Oct / Nov 2009..with releases such as Uncharted2, Ratchet & Clank, MAG & a few multiplats having a price-cut prior the holiday season is ideal...

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#68 TheGrat1
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[QUOTE="Norule04"]

First they remove ps2 backwards compatibility for the ps3 while still keeping the price pretty high. And now after almost 4 years they are still ast expensive as a Wii and 360 put together. Seriously drop the price and i'll be one of your first buyers..

anyone else really upset they didn't even consider a price drop at e3?

The_Brodeo

Why don't you take 3/4 of all the money you have to your name and burn it in a dumpster? The lack of basic business knowledge in here is embarrasing. Sony would love to give PS3's away if it meant more money for them, but that is not reality nor is cutting ther own throats to move a few more consoles.

1218562511609.jpg Good job konata image by keitarourashima17

You broke it down so that a fith gradercan undestand. :)

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#69 TheGrat1
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[QUOTE="OrwellJames"] Buy a Wii today. Buy 3 controllers tomorrow because online play is garbage. Buy a classic controller. Congratulations, you just bought a PS3 without a Blu Ray drive, any of the PS3 exclusives, but as an added bonus, you got a free downgrade to last gen graphics and the distinct possibility of having to register as a sex offended if you try to communicate with anyone else who owns a Wii.

Lulz of teh day! :lol: Thank you, sir.
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#70 quicksilverXP24
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Well... if the price keeps annoying kiddies off the internet and headsets... I don't mind the lack of a price cut.
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#71 delta3074
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stop being cheapscake and buy a PS3. the price is fine considering what you'll get from it..

___gamemaster__
firstly, it's cheapskate, secondly, i get more more my 360, for a cheaper price, even the 360 elite with a 120gb HDD costs 50 pounds less than a ps3 in blighty, basically with the 360 you get more for less, and fyi a lot of people like me have a family and kids to support, i can't justify dropping that much money on a console for a couple of games i can't play on my 360, you know the 360 actually launched cheaper in this country (280 quid) than the ps3 costs now (300 quid), and i'm sorry. i don't need a blu ray player or wireless or even free online, so no, i wouldn't get more from it than i would from a 360.
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#72 Stoner-Pimp
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360 + 10 years of live gold (10 year console life cycle) is around 380 dollars/250 pounds (based on cheap live cards) now look, the 360 is far far far higher price than even the most specced out PS3, hell i could buy a wii and a PS3 for that price, facts are facts, the Wii is the cheapest console overall, followed by the PS3 with the 360 in last place price wise when you take online into account (if you want online that is, if you don't want online the 360 is the cheapest). You can't just take the initial costs of the consoles into account if you want to cry about price, if your going to cry about price then take the whole price into the comparision (not just the start up cost), when you do that the 360 is infact almost double the cost of a PS3. Doesn't matter to me though, i have a PS3, a 360 on the way (Forza 3 is just to much to pass up :D) and i got rid of my Wii as i no longer used it (i'm sure i'll buy another when MG2 comes out though).
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#73 delta3074
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[QUOTE="Stoner-Pimp"]360 + 10 years of live gold (10 year console life cycle) is around 380 dollars/250 pounds (based on cheap live cards) now look, the 360 is far far far higher price than even the most specced out PS3, hell i could buy a wii and a PS3 for that price, facts are facts, the Wii is the cheapest console overall, followed by the PS3 with the 360 in last place price wise when you take online into account (if you want online that is, if you don't want online the 360 is the cheapest). You can't just take the initial costs of the consoles into account if you want to cry about price, if your going to cry about price then take the whole price into the comparision (not just the start up cost), when you do that the 360 is infact almost double the cost of a PS3. Doesn't matter to me though, i have a PS3, a 360 on the way (Forza 3 is just to much to pass up :D) and i got rid of my Wii as i no longer used it (i'm sure i'll buy another when MG2 comes out though).

agreed, but also saying that, you have to take into account that that live fee is spread over a number of months, the fact that the 360 will cost you more 10 years down the line isn't really relevent to the here and now,people don't tend to care what thing s will eventually cost you, especially when the price of the games you will buy for each system far outstrips the price of live fee's, what i think SONY should do is strip the ps3 of non essential tech, like wireless and such (it's not essential) and sell a stripped down version like the 360 arcade, i guarantee a lot of people would buy ps3's cos the only thing holding it back is the initial price.
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#74 tok1879
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[QUOTE="OrwellJames"]

Buy a 360 arcade today. Buy an overpriced hard drive tomorrow. Play online for a couple years. And congratulations, you just bought a PS3 without a Blu Ray drive or any of its exclusives.

Buy a Wii today. Buy 3 controllers tomorrow because online play is garbage. Buy a classic controller. Congratulations, you just bought a PS3 without a Blu Ray drive, any of the PS3 exclusives, but as an added bonus, you got a free downgrade to last gen graphics and the distinct possibility of having to register as a sex offended if you try to communicate with anyone else who owns a Wii.

Lol, so true, thanks, i couldn't have said it better.
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#75 furomaster_99
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a playstation is not expensive.. i dont know about the states but here in australia.. u can work full time at like mcdonalds or something for a week and earn 700$ which is basically how much it is here!campzor
Well, I guess I need to move to Australia.

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#76 lordxymor
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[QUOTE="10thwonder"]

[QUOTE="Generalmojo"]

... lems pay $60 every year for online ontop of paying for 360 so im sure they can get a ps3

Mr_Apple_Soup

Uhm....I paid $38.97 with free shipping at newegg.com for a 12+1 month Gold subscription, that's under $3 a month for the best online experience of this generation.

for your own sake, i hope you mean best online experience on consoles

How does SW calls steam fanboys? still hermits?
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#77 OrwellJames
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Everyone keeps saying they're still losing money, but i remember Sony being close to breaking even a long while back so i'm sure they're making money by now. Anyone with some links? X360PS3AMD05
Last I heard they'd broken even on the Playstation brand, but that obviously includes the PS2 and PSP.
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#78 Malta_1980
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anyone knows how much did the 360 arcade cost round end 2006?

Cause lets say someone got an arcade 360 in november for $xxx and enjoys playing online he'll spend around $150 extra for XBLby end 2009..

(Am not even considering the other costs like Buying an additional Hard Drive or Wi-Fi, or else the batteries for the controller / charger...)

Also not considering the many thousands of gamers who had to go through the hassles of having RROD problems, though free of charge still a hassle..

All of the above would still not give the 360 owner the edge since 360 still doesnt have the other many features the 60GB PS3 has like SD card slots, Blu-ray player, Web browser & 7.1 sound capabilities...

Those who got a PS3 at $599 late 2006 had to spend only extra money for HD cables,at least those who had an HDTV.. Nothing more !!!

So does the 360 sound still the best 'PACKAGE' you get for the money you spent ?

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#79 Iamsmee
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[QUOTE="Sonicplys"]

The PS2 is still the best selling system, Now why do you think that is?The Wii is better than the Gamecube and 360 is better than the first Xbox. PS3 is no where near is good as the PS2 , $ony, lower the price now.

PSGamerforlife

No your wrong, the Gamecube is alot better than the wii, so is the N64.

@ Sonicplys

You're joking right? PS2 still being the best selling system is moronic, LOL. PS2 is current has sold the most, but the Wii is catching up easily, currently Wii is the fastest selling system ever.

@ PSGamerforlife

Firstly, this generation is far from over. With the current outlook on the upcoming Wii games for both third and first party, the Wii will over take the GC in terms of being the better console. N64, it is fully debatable, but not currently. Verse the current Wii situation, yes N64 is of course has had more influence.

But where did GC and N64 get Nintendo? Other bigger companies just stole all the revolutionary things they did for consoles whether it be wireless, the analog (and making FPS consoles actually WORK on consoles, Rare + N... and no, Rare is not the same as it is today, the only thing that really changed the same when MS got Rare was that MS recieved the copyright for them... ALL the key players from Rare in SNES/N64 are GONE and Nintendo sold 49% of their company once they left), rumble and more.

Either way, Nintendo smartened up, Wii was slow at certain points... But that had to be done to make Nintendo's pool of players bigger. Nintendo still making great games and they are in the money.

Anyway, if Nintendo died after GC, well... Where would all the unique gaming ideas come from? Lol, M$? Or Sony? Funny!

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#80 10thwonder
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[QUOTE="10thwonder"]

[QUOTE="Generalmojo"]

... lems pay $60 every year for online ontop of paying for 360 so im sure they can get a ps3

RotaryRX7

Uhm....I paid $38.97 with free shipping at newegg.com for a 12+1 month Gold subscription, that's under $3 a month for the best online experience of this generation.

PC says hi, and laughs in your face.

I already clarified that I meant consoles, read before you post tuntunah.

Page 2, I wrote "Of course, I thought that was a given. PC'z is tha sechs in terms of powa!!!!" in response to "for your own sake, i hope you mean best online experience on consoles".

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They want to increase sales at the same price point. There is no way that is going to happen.

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#82 EpiphoneMan2008
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No one understands sony fully!
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#83 Riverwolf007
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to understand how sony conducts business you first must read and understand Sun Tzu's The Art of War.they run every play in the Sun Tzu playbook

it's a little more complex than this but basically if you are weak you try to appear strong and if you are strong you try to appear weak.

read the actual book to get the real concepts but its why sonys acted like they are god for the last 4 years..they had nothing and that's when you try to make yourself look like you have it all under control.

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#84 TOAO_Cyrus1
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First they remove ps2 backwards compatibility for the ps3 while still keeping the price pretty high. And now after almost 4 years they are still ast expensive as a Wii and 360 put together. Seriously drop the price and i'll be one of your first buyers..

anyone else really upset they didn't even consider a price drop at e3?

Norule04

They cant drop because they are still losing money on each console and they know they will never have the user base to make up for it on the tail end of this generation. Sonys knows they have lost the market share battle and are focusing on profitability.

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First they remove ps2 backwards compatibility for the ps3 while still keeping the price pretty high. And now after almost 4 years they are still ast expensive as a Wii and 360 put together. Seriously drop the price and i'll be one of your first buyers..

anyone else really upset they didn't even consider a price drop at e3?

Norule04
Nope.