somehow I do not understand how Sony is any better than Microsoft at "caring" about their costumers.
I feel as though Microsoft hates me as a consumer.
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People will claim all big companies/corporations do this. That's bollocks. It's mostly just Microsoft. KHAndAnimeIf you truly believe that, you know nothing about big business and economics.
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[QUOTE="Twin-Blade"]
LOWER THE PRICE SONY PLEASE GOD DAMN
FragTycoon
That sounds a lot like:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDk-4cc_WkU
Some lems really want this to be 06 sooooooo bad :P
Reality is, a decent 360 (that's not LOL 4G) is as much as a PS3. Actually more if you count XBLG.
4GB system is good. Reality is MS still has the cheaper SKU, and reality is outside of the US 360 is cheaper than a PS3, reality is if you want to buy the system for one or two games you have the cheaper console option; even more tempting if it's a multiplat.
rofl, you mean the console that is almost the same price as an xbox??Did you buy the DLC? If so, that's why Microsoft treats you that way. Why give free stuff to 2 million users when you can charge them for it instead? Sure, 100,000 might be well informed enough to give them the bird & go to the PS3, but MS are still making cash off of 1.9 million. Yes, it's stupid that they are charging for something the developers want to be free, but there are many that are even more stupid by buying it...
..Or poor like me & can't afford a PS3 or gaming rig & just shell out the 8-15 bucks every few months.
Twin-Blade
someohow I do not understand how Sony is any better than Microsoft at "caring" about their costumers.
aia89
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No it's free because nobody ever before M$ thought about charging customers for a feature they are already paying for. Most companies at least try not to participate in scams like that but for M$ it is just how they operate.You can cry all you want, but at the end of the day, all companies want your money. Do you really think Sony has a free online service because they love their customers? No, it's free because they know it's a major selling point. Nobody owes you free stuff.
yodaddyninja
[QUOTE="yodaddyninja"]No it's free because nobody ever before M$ thought about charging customers for a feature they are already paying for. Most companies at least try not to participate in scams like that but for M$ it is just how they operate. No, PSN is free because it gives them an edge over competition.You can cry all you want, but at the end of the day, all companies want your money. Do you really think Sony has a free online service because they love their customers? No, it's free because they know it's a major selling point. Nobody owes you free stuff.
kuraimen
No it's free because nobody ever before M$ thought about charging customers for a feature they are already paying for. Most companies at least try not to participate in scams like that but for M$ it is just how they operate. No, PSN is free because it gives them an edge over competition.[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="yodaddyninja"]
You can cry all you want, but at the end of the day, all companies want your money. Do you really think Sony has a free online service because they love their customers? No, it's free because they know it's a major selling point. Nobody owes you free stuff.
yodaddyninja
an edge i love8)
It's funny, I felt the same way about Sony, which is why I sold my PS2 and bought an xbox. Then they launched the PS3 which was a huge bust for people who bought it at launch. I finally bought one in 2009 after they tacked on all the things that should have been there day 1, released enough games to last me more than a weekend, and made it a worthwhile purchase.
No it's free because nobody ever before M$ thought about charging customers for a feature they are already paying for. Most companies at least try not to participate in scams like that but for M$ it is just how they operate. No, PSN is free because it gives them an edge over competition. How is it an edge if all other online services before DIDN'T charge for online? M$ was the first ever to rip off consumers so shamely with that, Sony probably didn't even considered it before since it was only logical not to charge consumers for online since they already pay for it to their respective internet service providers. You make it sound like without M$ in the picture everybody would be charging for online when it was with M$ that such a ridiculous thing came to be.[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="yodaddyninja"]
You can cry all you want, but at the end of the day, all companies want your money. Do you really think Sony has a free online service because they love their customers? No, it's free because they know it's a major selling point. Nobody owes you free stuff.
yodaddyninja
No it's free because nobody ever before M$ thought about charging customers for a feature they are already paying for. Most companies at least try not to participate in scams like that but for M$ it is just how they operate. No, PSN is free because it gives them an edge over competition.[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="yodaddyninja"]
You can cry all you want, but at the end of the day, all companies want your money. Do you really think Sony has a free online service because they love their customers? No, it's free because they know it's a major selling point. Nobody owes you free stuff.
yodaddyninja
It doesn't give Sony an edge over the competition, if PSN (not PSN+) was offered at a monthly price, at or below the cost of XBL, it would be a terrible investment in comparison. It's really the only option they have to make the service look attractive to consumers.
No, PSN is free because it gives them an edge over competition.[QUOTE="yodaddyninja"]
[QUOTE="kuraimen"] No it's free because nobody ever before M$ thought about charging customers for a feature they are already paying for. Most companies at least try not to participate in scams like that but for M$ it is just how they operate.Vader993
an edge i love8)
Exactly. If psn wasn't free, PS3 sales would of suffered greatly. And you also have to look at how high the launching price of the console was. There's no way they could of justified charging people for an inferior online service when they released a console for $600.
Well shame on the idiots who pay for it... If people will pay then MS will charge.... If MS could sell a DLC for $300 then they wouldn't hesitate to do so. Its called a business for a reason they don;t get money by being all jolly and dressing up as santa every year to give out free stuff to the screaming kids.How is it an edge if all other online services before DIDN'T charge for online? M$ was the first ever to rip off consumers so shamely with that, Sony probably didn't even considered it before since it was only logical not to charge consumers for online since they already pay for it to their respective internet service providers. You make it sound like without M$ in the picture everybody would be charging for online when it was with M$ that such a ridiculous thing came to be.noodlevixen
Well shame on the idiots who pay for it... If people will pay then MS will charge.... If MS could sell a DLC for $300 then they wouldn't hesitate to do so. Its called a business for a reason they don;t get money by being all jolly and dressing up as santa every year to give out free stuff to the screaming kids.[QUOTE="noodlevixen"]
How is it an edge if all other online services before DIDN'T charge for online? M$ was the first ever to rip off consumers so shamely with that, Sony probably didn't even considered it before since it was only logical not to charge consumers for online since they already pay for it to their respective internet service providers. You make it sound like without M$ in the picture everybody would be charging for online when it was with M$ that such a ridiculous thing came to be.JohnF111
Right, everyone who pays for XBL is an idiot...:?There's no possible way that it could be a worthwhile service. Perhaps that's the reason why Sony has almost completely copied every aspect of live, and now have a paid service as well.
[QUOTE="noodlevixen"] Well shame on the idiots who pay for it... If people will pay then MS will charge.... If MS could sell a DLC for $300 then they wouldn't hesitate to do so. Its called a business for a reason they don;t get money by being all jolly and dressing up as santa every year to give out free stuff to the screaming kids.
JohnF111
Well shame on the idiots who pay for it... If people will pay then MS will charge.... If MS could sell a DLC for $300 then they wouldn't hesitate to do so. Its called a business for a reason they don;t get money by being all jolly and dressing up as santa every year to give out free stuff to the screaming kids. That's the reason I don't buy from them I just don't want to be treated like an idiot. Sony at least doesn't make me pay for things I already paid for. I get the PS3 and the initial price is pretty much all I will have to pay for a fully functional package.[QUOTE="noodlevixen"]
How is it an edge if all other online services before DIDN'T charge for online? M$ was the first ever to rip off consumers so shamely with that, Sony probably didn't even considered it before since it was only logical not to charge consumers for online since they already pay for it to their respective internet service providers. You make it sound like without M$ in the picture everybody would be charging for online when it was with M$ that such a ridiculous thing came to be.JohnF111
[QUOTE="JohnF111"]Well shame on the idiots who pay for it... If people will pay then MS will charge.... If MS could sell a DLC for $300 then they wouldn't hesitate to do so. Its called a business for a reason they don;t get money by being all jolly and dressing up as santa every year to give out free stuff to the screaming kids. That's the reason I don't buy from them I just don't want to be treated like an idiot. Sony at least doesn't make me pay for things I already paid for. I get the PS3 and the initial price is pretty much all I will have to pay for a fully functional package.HEY! I didn't say those things! wtf:evil:[QUOTE="noodlevixen"] [QUOTE="JohnF111"]
[QUOTE="noodlevixen"]
How is it an edge if all other online services before DIDN'T charge for online? M$ was the first ever to rip off consumers so shamely with that, Sony probably didn't even considered it before since it was only logical not to charge consumers for online since they already pay for it to their respective internet service providers. You make it sound like without M$ in the picture everybody would be charging for online when it was with M$ that such a ridiculous thing came to be.kuraimen
That's the reason I don't buy from them I just don't want to be treated like an idiot. Sony at least doesn't make me pay for things I already paid for. I get the PS3 and the initial price is pretty much all I will have to pay for a fully functional package.HEY! I didn't say those things! wtf:evil: Glitchspot[QUOTE="kuraimen"][QUOTE="JohnF111"] Well shame on the idiots who pay for it... If people will pay then MS will charge.... If MS could sell a DLC for $300 then they wouldn't hesitate to do so. Its called a business for a reason they don;t get money by being all jolly and dressing up as santa every year to give out free stuff to the screaming kids.
noodlevixen
uhh what? Thats not what were talking about. I'm offended but i wont report you.microsoft is american,you know how much americans love captailism
Vader993
Please, please, Microsoft loves all their customers... As long as they continue paying for Xbox Live and DLC. Miroku32
Ya, only Microsoft likes it when people buy their products.
uhh what? Thats not what were talking about. I'm offended but i wont report you.[QUOTE="Kokuro_Kun"][QUOTE="Vader993"]
microsoft is american,you know how much americans love captailism
Vader993
i didn't know i made a insult:?
Well, you should know that saying that Americans love the Capitalistic system that we had built around ourselves is one of the most offensive things that you can do to one of us :P
I honestly don't know why he was offended by that, but I'm not so you can res easy ;)
How is it an edge if all other online services before DIDN'T charge for online? M$ was the first ever to rip off consumers so shamely with that, Sony probably didn't even considered it before since it was only logical not to charge consumers for online since they already pay for it to their respective internet service providers. You make it sound like without M$ in the picture everybody would be charging for online when it was with M$ that such a ridiculous thing came to be.kuraimenYou haven't already payed for neither PSN of XBL. They run a giant server/hosting/matchmaking system, and they haven't got nothing to do with your internet provider. How long have you been gaming? There have been many instances of paying to play online. Early gamespy comes to mind. Even though the endproduct doesn't resemble an MMO, the working of Sonys and MS' service does compare somewhat to it, and you pay for the service of an MMO. And Sony didn't charge for online in PS2 era, because they didn't have a central serer system, every online game was hosted by the publisher. Sony would like to charge for PSN, but can't because they were forced to go free in the beginning, and now people expect it (plus it's been a selling point for them).
I laugh at how people hate MS so much, the consumer is ripped off by every single product out there. sony rips off consumers who buy there tvs. and there home theatre in a box. the point of a company is to make profit, nothing is free, when something is cheap, it means its bad or they are hooking people in, its like PSN+ you say it good with huge discounts and free stuff, but probably sony is making more money off it because more people are buying the discounted games which they normally wouldnt. but facebook rips off customers the most
:roll:
from my hard drive alone
Themes:136 all free with about 30 premium themes that were either for a limited time free on the marketplace or playing games, or buying all the fallout 3 DLC.
Gamer pictures: 260 my favorite the tomato of war *basically a tomato imposed over the background which you would normally see Fenix on* free from playing gears of war 1 and 2. the rest downloaded free or given by games.
Avatar stuff: about 40 things free from playing games, or downloaded from the marketplace it self.
Games:Aegis Wing,yaris,totem ball, uno, Outpost Kaloki X,Hexic HD,Bejeweled 2 all free from the marketplace at one time. *aegis wing, totem ball, and yaris are still free*
Then you have the free microsoft points alot of people have received for being long time subscribers to xbox live, apology MS points for Xbox live being down for a day or buying a certain amount of things on the marketplace or a set of dlc.
Contests: they have them pretty much every single week a contest you can sign up for and win MS points, Home theater systems and other such things.
Sales: they have them every week right now both MW2 map packs are 50% off, they have a deal every single week on DLC, Or full arcade games.
DLC:Rainbow Six vegas black and red edition free, rainbow six vegas 2 gift pack free, streets map free. The last remnant challege pack 1 and 2 free, the key of ancient ruins free, saints row 1 unkut pack free, ho ho ho pack free, saints row 2 the unkut pack free, RE 5 extra figures free,pin ball FX buccaneer table free, PD0 map pack two free, Mass effect bring down the sky was free for a limited time, Mass effect 2 through a marketplace glitch *I'm sure it wasn't a glitch* all the pre order items from wal-mart, amazon, gamestop...ect you could download em free for a limited time. Lumines Live breeze pack, heavenlystar pack free, Lost planet...ALL OF ITS DLC IS FREE, Kameo design a skin pack comes with 11 free skins, Infinite Undiscovery A voucher and B voucher free, Dead rising 1 all the costume keys free...I could keep going.
remember folks every thing on xbox live and from Microsoft costs money they never give anything for free..Conversely Sony and every thing on PSN is free...Sony is a chartiable organization.
As for that...I don't look to companies I buy from to show that they love me, If they show that they love me then thats fine, But I'm here to take part in a service and buy things as a consumer...If your actually expecting love from a non living entity then...something...is wrong...
:roll:
from my hard drive alone
Themes:136 all free with about 30 premium themes that were either for a limited time free on the marketplace or playing games, or buying all the fallout 3 DLC.Gamer pictures: 260 my favorite the tomato of war *basically a tomato imposed over the background which you would normally see Fenix on* free from playing gears of war 1 and 2. the rest downloaded free or given by games.
Avatar stuff: about 40 things free from playing games, or downloaded from the marketplace it self.
Games:Aegis Wing,yaris,totem ball, uno, Outpost Kaloki X,Hexic HD,Bejeweled 2 all free from the marketplace at one time. *aegis wing, totem ball, and yaris are still free*
Then you have the free microsoft points alot of people have received for being long time subscribers to xbox live, apology MS points for Xbox live being down for a day or buying a certain amount of things on the marketplace or a set of dlc.
Contests: they have them pretty much every single week a contest you can sign up for and win MS points, Home theater systems and other such things.
Sales: they have them every week right now both MW2 map packs are 50% off, they have a deal every single week on DLC, Or full arcade games.
DLC:Rainbow Six vegas black and red edition free, rainbow six vegas 2 gift pack free, streets map free. The last remnant challege pack 1 and 2 free, the key of ancient ruins free, saints row 1 unkut pack free, ho ho ho pack free, saints row 2 the unkut pack free, RE 5 extra figures free,pin ball FX buccaneer table free, PD0 map pack two free, Mass effect bring down the sky was free for a limited time, Mass effect 2 through a marketplace glitch *I'm sure it wasn't a glitch* all the pre order items from wal-mart, amazon, gamestop...ect you could download em free for a limited time. Lumines Live breeze pack, heavenlystar pack free, Lost planet...ALL OF ITS DLC IS FREE, Kameo design a skin pack comes with 11 free skins, Infinite Undiscovery A voucher and B voucher free, Dead rising 1 all the costume keys free...I could keep going.
remember folks every thing on xbox live and from Microsoft costs money they never give anything for free..Conversely Sony and every thing on PSN is free...Sony is a chartiable organization.
As for that...I don't look to companies I buy from to show that they love me, If they show that they love me then thats fine, But I'm here to take part in a service and buy things as a consumer...If your actually expecting love from a non living entity then...something...is wrong...
WilliamRLBaker
It's really not all that impressive when you realize they havn't really given much away for free during the past year and a half. I don't know how you've gotten that many themes for free (maybe it's american only). The majority of the free games are promotional items and games that really are not that great, and only select pieces of the free DLC are any good.
[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]
:roll:
from my hard drive alone
Themes:136 all free with about 30 premium themes that were either for a limited time free on the marketplace or playing games, or buying all the fallout 3 DLC.Gamer pictures: 260 my favorite the tomato of war *basically a tomato imposed over the background which you would normally see Fenix on* free from playing gears of war 1 and 2. the rest downloaded free or given by games.
Avatar stuff: about 40 things free from playing games, or downloaded from the marketplace it self.
Games:Aegis Wing,yaris,totem ball, uno, Outpost Kaloki X,Hexic HD,Bejeweled 2 all free from the marketplace at one time. *aegis wing, totem ball, and yaris are still free*
Then you have the free microsoft points alot of people have received for being long time subscribers to xbox live, apology MS points for Xbox live being down for a day or buying a certain amount of things on the marketplace or a set of dlc.
Contests: they have them pretty much every single week a contest you can sign up for and win MS points, Home theater systems and other such things.
Sales: they have them every week right now both MW2 map packs are 50% off, they have a deal every single week on DLC, Or full arcade games.
DLC:Rainbow Six vegas black and red edition free, rainbow six vegas 2 gift pack free, streets map free. The last remnant challege pack 1 and 2 free, the key of ancient ruins free, saints row 1 unkut pack free, ho ho ho pack free, saints row 2 the unkut pack free, RE 5 extra figures free,pin ball FX buccaneer table free, PD0 map pack two free, Mass effect bring down the sky was free for a limited time, Mass effect 2 through a marketplace glitch *I'm sure it wasn't a glitch* all the pre order items from wal-mart, amazon, gamestop...ect you could download em free for a limited time. Lumines Live breeze pack, heavenlystar pack free, Lost planet...ALL OF ITS DLC IS FREE, Kameo design a skin pack comes with 11 free skins, Infinite Undiscovery A voucher and B voucher free, Dead rising 1 all the costume keys free...I could keep going.
remember folks every thing on xbox live and from Microsoft costs money they never give anything for free..Conversely Sony and every thing on PSN is free...Sony is a chartiable organization.
As for that...I don't look to companies I buy from to show that they love me, If they show that they love me then thats fine, But I'm here to take part in a service and buy things as a consumer...If your actually expecting love from a non living entity then...something...is wrong...
deangallop
It's really not all that impressive when you realize they havn't really given much away for free during the past year and a half. I don't know how you've gotten that many themes for free (maybe it's american only). The majority of the free games are promotional items and games that really are not that great, and only select pieces of the free DLC are any good.
and you get any better else where? and for that matter out of choice? * I said out of choice because on PC they can't offer any thing for charge half the time because its just pirated anyways*
P.S: and impressive is in the eye of the beholder, I don't really think you get the right to decide for us what is valid and what is not, But the point was that there is loads of free things on Xbox live premium, and lowly. Exaclty the same thing you find on PSN.
[QUOTE="deangallop"]
[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]
:roll:
from my hard drive alone
Themes:136 all free with about 30 premium themes that were either for a limited time free on the marketplace or playing games, or buying all the fallout 3 DLC.Gamer pictures: 260 my favorite the tomato of war *basically a tomato imposed over the background which you would normally see Fenix on* free from playing gears of war 1 and 2. the rest downloaded free or given by games.
Avatar stuff: about 40 things free from playing games, or downloaded from the marketplace it self.
Games:Aegis Wing,yaris,totem ball, uno, Outpost Kaloki X,Hexic HD,Bejeweled 2 all free from the marketplace at one time. *aegis wing, totem ball, and yaris are still free*
Then you have the free microsoft points alot of people have received for being long time subscribers to xbox live, apology MS points for Xbox live being down for a day or buying a certain amount of things on the marketplace or a set of dlc.
Contests: they have them pretty much every single week a contest you can sign up for and win MS points, Home theater systems and other such things.
Sales: they have them every week right now both MW2 map packs are 50% off, they have a deal every single week on DLC, Or full arcade games.
DLC:Rainbow Six vegas black and red edition free, rainbow six vegas 2 gift pack free, streets map free. The last remnant challege pack 1 and 2 free, the key of ancient ruins free, saints row 1 unkut pack free, ho ho ho pack free, saints row 2 the unkut pack free, RE 5 extra figures free,pin ball FX buccaneer table free, PD0 map pack two free, Mass effect bring down the sky was free for a limited time, Mass effect 2 through a marketplace glitch *I'm sure it wasn't a glitch* all the pre order items from wal-mart, amazon, gamestop...ect you could download em free for a limited time. Lumines Live breeze pack, heavenlystar pack free, Lost planet...ALL OF ITS DLC IS FREE, Kameo design a skin pack comes with 11 free skins, Infinite Undiscovery A voucher and B voucher free, Dead rising 1 all the costume keys free...I could keep going.
remember folks every thing on xbox live and from Microsoft costs money they never give anything for free..Conversely Sony and every thing on PSN is free...Sony is a chartiable organization.
As for that...I don't look to companies I buy from to show that they love me, If they show that they love me then thats fine, But I'm here to take part in a service and buy things as a consumer...If your actually expecting love from a non living entity then...something...is wrong...
WilliamRLBaker
It's really not all that impressive when you realize they havn't really given much away for free during the past year and a half. I don't know how you've gotten that many themes for free (maybe it's american only). The majority of the free games are promotional items and games that really are not that great, and only select pieces of the free DLC are any good.
and you get any better else where? and for that matter out of choice? * I said out of choice because on PC they can't offer any thing for charge half the time because its just pirated anyways*
P.S: and impressive is in the eye of the beholder, I don't really think you get the right to decide for us what is valid and what is not, But the point was that there is loads of free things on Xbox live premium, and lowly. Exaclty the same thing you find on PSN.
If MS were a generous as you make them out to be they would have released the LFD2 DLC for free like on the PC. MS presures developers to charge for extra content, the developers of Super Meat Boy had to create a loophole in order to release free DLC for their game. The fact that little gamer pictures cost a dollar is enough for anybody to see that MS only gives out good free content when they have to.
I lol at people saying that SONY cares for their costumers because they keep PSN free. The only reason PSN is free is so PSN has something over XBL. People see the free online so they buy a PS3, thus giving SONY money. No company hates you, they just don't care about you. It's more about the stuff in your wallet.ujjval16
It's free because it should be. Tell yourself whatever you like, at the end of the day XBLG is the only one out there charging for peer hosted games.
They want money out of you, they don't see you as a person, but a walking giant bill. Just like any other huge corporation.tagyhag
exactly, they want whats in your wallet, not your loyalty
[QUOTE="kuraimen"]How is it an edge if all other online services before DIDN'T charge for online? M$ was the first ever to rip off consumers so shamely with that, Sony probably didn't even considered it before since it was only logical not to charge consumers for online since they already pay for it to their respective internet service providers. You make it sound like without M$ in the picture everybody would be charging for online when it was with M$ that such a ridiculous thing came to be.KrisgebisYou haven't already payed for neither PSN of XBL. They run a giant server/hosting/matchmaking system, and they haven't got nothing to do with your internet provider. How long have you been gaming? There have been many instances of paying to play online. Early gamespy comes to mind. Even though the endproduct doesn't resemble an MMO, the working of Sonys and MS' service does compare somewhat to it, and you pay for the service of an MMO. And Sony didn't charge for online in PS2 era, because they didn't have a central serer system, every online game was hosted by the publisher. Sony would like to charge for PSN, but can't because they were forced to go free in the beginning, and now people expect it (plus it's been a selling point for them). I'm not arguing about the services Live provides but the ability to play online which is a service NOT provided by Microsoft. You do realize that when you buy a game with an online portion the developers of that game were the ones who worked on it and are charging you for that part of the game when they sell it? So if you decide not to pay for Live you're basically paying the whole game with the online portion to the developers but you can't use it because you have to pay Microsoft to let you use something you already paid for. Also the SERVICE of using online which is the only thing you need to play those parts of the games is already provided by your ISP and it is their service NOT Microsoft's. Live has some services alright like coss game chat and maybe servers and it's ok if they charge you for that but when on top they charge you for something as basic as letting you play online it is a rip off since they are charging you to let you use something that is basically not theirs. Did Gamespy prevented you from playing your games online at all if you didn't want to pay for their service even when you purchased the complete game? of course not. MMO's are different since basically you're paying the developers and the game is made in a way that you don't have to keep buying newer versions and the developer's profit doesn't depend on releasing new games all the time like normal game devs. That's why it makes sense in such an environment for the customer to pay constantly. People expect it to go free from the beggining because no one should be paying for a service or the ability to play a game twice. Microsoft of course changed the standards and next gen gamers will probably have to shell for 3 online services, one for each console each year. Microsoft basically changed the future of console gaming to one where customers are going to get more milked and people defend this which is beyond my belief but I guess I lost my faith on the good judgement of the average consumer long ago. If Sony starts charging for playing online next gen I won't be buying their console either.
[QUOTE="ujjval16"]I lol at people saying that SONY cares for their costumers because they keep PSN free. The only reason PSN is free is so PSN has something over XBL. People see the free online so they buy a PS3, thus giving SONY money. No company hates you, they just don't care about you. It's more about the stuff in your wallet.FragTycoon
It's free because it should be. Tell yourself whatever you like, at the end of the day XBLG is the only one out there charging for peer hosted games.
Right, XBL gold is just for P2P games, it includes nothing else...besides P2P is fine.
Some companies like to take care of their fans and have their fans take care of them. Other companies just milk their fans dry (MS).Androvinus
No companies like to take care of their "fans" (customers). They do however like to create the illusion that they are.
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