I hate this generation and the next even more.

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#101 dreamdude
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Wait for a complete edition

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That's what I do. Takes patience, but usually the best course of action.

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[QUOTE="TheEroica"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]Oh no, optional extra content for those that want it is available, WON'T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!! :cry:heretrix

Haha... funny, yeah i dont see anything wrong with dlc, but my question with two kids a career and a mortgage is how the hell does anyone have time to play it all?!? Ive pretty much restricted myself to only getting dlc to the true gems this generation. Its my way of policing myself.

Yeah, you have to do that. Most of the stuff isn't all that good anyway.

Borderlands 2 is pretty good though. I'm not really against DLC as a thing, but I really hate how some publishers use it. I think the way Gearbox did this was on the level. It was a pre-order bonus which is available to buy if you didn't pre order the game. Everyone has the opportunity to play it without penalizing you for buying it where you want to buy the game. I think retailer specific DLC is bullsh!t.

Yeah i think we chatted about that last week... splintering off the game as store specific pre orders is kinda shiitty. My biggest gripe about dlc is mostly my play style. I usually have the game beat when it comes out and sliding a dlc in the mix usually falls flat for me as my first journey through the game is over. That said, ive really enjoyed some expansions that feel like they have their own voice and not just a small sidequest in the meat of the game. The fallout expansions come to mind along with undead nightmare... Personally though my time available to play limits my dlc desire.... but good dlc ill make time for.
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#103 ChikaraShref
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[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

Wait for a complete edition

dreamdude

That's what I do. Takes patience, but usually the best course of action.

depends on your financial situation ;) personally, i'm well off, so i don't mind paying a little more to get games i'm interested at launch. and then get the dlc once it comes out, provided i like the game enough.
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#104 lamprey263
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oh please TC, you knew they're going to have a GOTY version of Borderlands 2 with like $60+ in DLC by next year, and if you didn't then you deserve to find out this way
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#105 deactivated-608a2eb908da4
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My GAWD the things people cry about.

If a company releases a half-finished game, relying on DLC to fill in the rest, that game is going to get negative reviews from publications/media. Which will deter many people from buying it.

If you buy a game and it sucks so bad without the DLC, return or sell the game for as much as you can possibly get for it and move on. If you buy a game that is awesome without the DLC, be happy. No one is forcing you to buy it. Complaining that borderlands 2 already has DLC is just dumb.

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#106 R4gn4r0k
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[QUOTE="dreamdude"]

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

Wait for a complete edition

ChikaraShref

That's what I do. Takes patience, but usually the best course of action.

depends on your financial situation ;) personally, i'm well off, so i don't mind paying a little more to get games i'm interested at launch. and then get the dlc once it comes out, provided i like the game enough.

No, not at all

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#107 mitu123
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I don't support DLC like that and how DLC is being treated ruins this gen.

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#108 delta3074
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How come he didn't hate last gen when DLC first Became popular on consoles?
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#109 AmazingGaming
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Vanilla games without any DLC have more content then last gen already. You just want to have your cake (more content) and eat it too (not pay for it). Greedy, and unrealistic.
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#110 mitu123
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How come he didn't hate last gen when DLC first Became popular on consoles?delta3074
It started on Xbox and wasn't that huge either. And DLC didn't appear in a ton of games last gen either.

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#111 jg4xchamp
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Borderland 2 was release not even a month ago,and already there is a damn $10 dollar DLCtormentos
Question: Why can't you just enjoy the game you got? Assuming the game gave you your money's worth, and you're enjoying the content that is there do you really need to spend the extra 10 bucks for more?

I'm not saying the practice isn't stupid, as much as I'm saying you can totally learn to deal with it, and avoid purchasing what you really don't have to.

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#112 delta3074
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[QUOTE="delta3074"]How come he didn't hate last gen when DLC first Became popular on consoles?mitu123

It started on Xbox and wasn't that huge either. And DLC didn't appear in a ton of games last gen either.

thats what i thought, i was quite suprised t find out the DC had DLC, the phrase meant zip to me until this generation, i used to download Mods fo PC but i don't consider that DLC
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#113 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="delta3074"]How come he didn't hate last gen when DLC first Became popular on consoles?delta3074

It started on Xbox and wasn't that huge either. And DLC didn't appear in a ton of games last gen either.

thats what i thought, i was quite suprised t find out the DC had DLC, the phrase meant zip to me until this generation, i used to download Mods fo PC but i don't consider that DLC

Yeah, well, the difference is that mods can change the game from what it originally was, total conversion mods are a perfect example, DLC just adds more to the game.

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#114 PS360Wii4eva
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]Some DLC is worth the price and content. Like the Origin of Pain DLC that released today.

Keep telling yourself that. Let's be clear: no dlc is justified. Period. Pure ripoffs just like online passes and Xbox gold
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#115 AmazingGaming
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[QUOTE="PS360Wii4eva"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"]Some DLC is worth the price and content. Like the Origin of Pain DLC that released today.

Keep telling yourself that. Let's be clear: no dlc is justified. Period. Pure ripoffs just like online passes and Xbox gold

That's idiotic. Bethesda DLC often has more content then full price games.
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#116 GreySeal9
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This thread pretty much reinforces the whiny gamer stereotype.

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#117 PSP107
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This gen just sucks period.
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#118 DarthJohnova
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This gen just sucks period.PSP107
It's posts like this, and 'I hate this generation', that make me wonder...why are you folks even here?
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#119 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="tormentos"]Borderland 2 was release not even a month ago,and already there is a damn $10 dollar DLC,companies are trying to suck our damn wallets dry,and it is you yeah you the one we have to blame.. I remember when a game would come with a ton of playable characters,colors and stuff,now you have to buy crap which is even inside the game you already pay for. The whole DLC era suck pretty bad,we are not talking about making an add on to extend the life of a game that was great and that would get several new levels,we are talking about down right rip off of content from the disc to be sold as DLC.

10 years ago dev costs were a fraction then they are now? Go by cheap indie games or stfu if your going to buy blockbusters that have bloated development costs.
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#120 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="AmazingGaming"][QUOTE="PS360Wii4eva"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"]Some DLC is worth the price and content. Like the Origin of Pain DLC that released today.

Keep telling yourself that. Let's be clear: no dlc is justified. Period. Pure ripoffs just like online passes and Xbox gold

That's idiotic. Bethesda DLC often has more content then full price games.

those are really expansion packs, not DLC, even though its a downloadable form of content, I see DLC classified as microtransations for content.
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#121 PSP107
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[QUOTE="PSP107"]This gen just sucks period.DarthJohnova
It's posts like this, and 'I hate this generation', that make me wonder...why are you folks even here?

/ The business side is fun though. But if this gen is so great, why you even here?
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#122 tormentos
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[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] 10 years ago dev costs were a fraction then they are now? Go by cheap indie games or stfu if your going to buy blockbusters that have bloated development costs.

A fraction really? FF7 on PS1 cost like 35 million and was release on 1997,hell Uncharted 1,2 or 3 in any of the chapters did not cost that,Shenmue cost 70 million dollars,with the inflation it would cost over 100 millions. The sad part is that you even know how much the damn game cost to make and already you are telling me to STFU,you STFU if you like been rip off be my damn guess i don't like it juts because you love to see developers steal your damn money doesn't mean every one is like you troll..
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#123 ShadowDeathX
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This is what I do and I like it. If the game is good, I'll get it or try to get it near launch. That way I don't have to wait so many months/years for a complete/GotY edition (if they even bother to make one).

Whenever the DLC start showing up and I believe it is not worth the asking price, I wait for the DLC to go on sale.

Buy Good game at near full price. Wait for DLC to get on sale. I win :) Much better than having to wait for a complete edition and it's cheap too.

Note*: This is for PC. On consoles, DLC rarely, if ever, go on sale. So I guess this won't work in that closed-up world.

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#124 ShadowDeathX
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I got the Season Pass for Borderlands 2 for $15. I'm not going to complain.
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#125 savagetwinkie
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[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] 10 years ago dev costs were a fraction then they are now? Go by cheap indie games or stfu if your going to buy blockbusters that have bloated development costs.

A fraction really? FF7 on PS1 cost like 35 million and was release on 2007,hell Uncharted 1,2 or 3 in any of the chapters did not cost that,Shenmue cost 70 million dollars,with the inflation it would cost over 100 millions. The sad part is that you even know how much the damn game cost to make and already you are telling me to STFU,you STFU if you like been rip off be my damn guess i don't like it juts because you love to see developers steal your damn money doesn't mean every one is like you troll..

Most block busters now a days go through multiple dev teams that are easily in magnitude bigger than your average block buster from the ps1 era. The development time is also longer than it used to be. Its not about one or two games my silly tunnel visioned friend. Its about the vast majority of development companies spending millions more than they used too. I'm not even saying its necessary, its likely just because the teams are so massive gaves aren't driven with a good creative vision, too many hands in the pot and what would be better to make two AA games they make mixed messes that are streamlined for the majority of people. buy cheaper games and support cheaper more effiencient developers, or stfu and enjoy your 30 block buster titles that probably average out to 20 million per title.
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#126 Overlord93
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Odd, because I got a new character for borderlands 2 that was never intended to be in the final game, but will give me dozens of hours more playtime for free. Funny that.
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[QUOTE="PSP107"]This gen just sucks period.DarthJohnova
It's posts like this, and 'I hate this generation', that make me wonder...why are you folks even here?

yea, i dont understand people who hate this gen. why are they even playing games? this gen has been amazing, much better than last gen
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#128 mitu123
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[QUOTE="DarthJohnova"][QUOTE="PSP107"]This gen just sucks period.mems_1224
It's posts like this, and 'I hate this generation', that make me wonder...why are you folks even here?

yea, i dont understand people who hate this gen. why are they even playing games? this gen has been amazing, much better than last gen

I only agree in the online multiplayer, single player wise, I vastly prefer last gen, thanks to the PS2, one of the best systems of all time. None of the systems this gen are the best ever sadly.

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#129 mems_1224
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="DarthJohnova"] It's posts like this, and 'I hate this generation', that make me wonder...why are you folks even here?mitu123

yea, i dont understand people who hate this gen. why are they even playing games? this gen has been amazing, much better than last gen

I only agree in the online multiplayer, single player wise, I vastly prefer last gen, thanks to the PS2, one of the best systems of all time. None of the systems this gen are the best ever sadly.

nah, i think this gen has been better in every way. better multiplayer games, better single player games, everything. i mean two amazing single player games just came out today and they're already better than the majority of games from last gen.
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#130 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] yea, i dont understand people who hate this gen. why are they even playing games? this gen has been amazing, much better than last genmems_1224

I only agree in the online multiplayer, single player wise, I vastly prefer last gen, thanks to the PS2, one of the best systems of all time. None of the systems this gen are the best ever sadly.

nah, i think this gen has been better in every way. better multiplayer games, better single player games, everything. i mean two amazing single player games just came out today and they're already better than the majority of games from last gen.

Aw come on, the PS2 was boss!:x:P

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#131 jg4xchamp
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[QUOTE="PSP107"]This gen just sucks period.DarthJohnova
It's posts like this, and 'I hate this generation', that make me wonder...why are you folks even here?

are wtf were you playing. There has been plenty of great stuff this gen.
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#132 jg4xchamp
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="DarthJohnova"] It's posts like this, and 'I hate this generation', that make me wonder...why are you folks even here?mitu123

yea, i dont understand people who hate this gen. why are they even playing games? this gen has been amazing, much better than last gen

I only agree in the online multiplayer, single player wise, I vastly prefer last gen, thanks to the PS2, one of the best systems of all time. None of the systems this gen are the best ever sadly.

All questionable statements.

Not that the PS2 wasn't fantastic, and last gen didn't have awesome stuff like Resident Evil 4, Metroid Prime, and Ninja Gaiden Black.

But there has been plenty of great single player stuff. From big mainstream franchises like Mario Galaxy 2 to stuff like Demon's Souls to stuff like Braid/World of Goo to things like Shadow of Chernobyl, Valkyria Chronicles and games like To The Moon and Amnesia.

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#133 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="mems_1224"] yea, i dont understand people who hate this gen. why are they even playing games? this gen has been amazing, much better than last genjg4xchamp

I only agree in the online multiplayer, single player wise, I vastly prefer last gen, thanks to the PS2, one of the best systems of all time. None of the systems this gen are the best ever sadly.

All questionable statements.

Not that the PS2 wasn't fantastic, and last gen didn't have awesome stuff like Resident Evil 4, Metroid Prime, and Ninja Gaiden Black.

But there has been plenty of great single player stuff. From big mainstream franchises like Mario Galaxy 2 to stuff like Demon's Souls to stuff like Braid/World of Goo to things like Shadow of Chernobyl, Valkyria Chronicles and games like To The Moon and Amnesia.

I played like all those games so I know where you're coming from. But I still think no console this gen matches the PS2.

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#134 jg4xchamp
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] I only agree in the online multiplayer, single player wise, I vastly prefer last gen, thanks to the PS2, one of the best systems of all time. None of the systems this gen are the best ever sadly.

mitu123

All questionable statements.

Not that the PS2 wasn't fantastic, and last gen didn't have awesome stuff like Resident Evil 4, Metroid Prime, and Ninja Gaiden Black.

But there has been plenty of great single player stuff. From big mainstream franchises like Mario Galaxy 2 to stuff like Demon's Souls to stuff like Braid/World of Goo to things like Shadow of Chernobyl, Valkyria Chronicles and games like To The Moon and Amnesia.

I played like all those games so I know where you're coming from. But I still think no console this gen matches the PS2.

No console will ever match the PS2, because of the extensive multiplats, but between the indie games they got and all the other stuff the consoles have great libraries. I would agree my favorites are mostly last gen stuff(what with Resident Evil 4, Metroid Prime, and Ninja Gaiden Black holding my top 3), but this gen was filled with plenty of great games in between all the industry bullsh1t. Plus last gen had plenty of games that don't exactly stack up anymore. It's just the cIassics have reached immortal status right now.
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#135 tormentos
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[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] 10 years ago dev costs were a fraction then they are now? Go by cheap indie games or stfu if your going to buy blockbusters that have bloated development costs.

A fraction really? FF7 on PS1 cost like 35 million and was release on 2007,hell Uncharted 1,2 or 3 in any of the chapters did not cost that,Shenmue cost 70 million dollars,with the inflation it would cost over 100 millions. The sad part is that you even know how much the damn game cost to make and already you are telling me to STFU,you STFU if you like been rip off be my damn guess i don't like it juts because you love to see developers steal your damn money doesn't mean every one is like you troll..

Most block busters now a days go through multiple dev teams that are easily in magnitude bigger than your average block buster from the ps1 era. The development time is also longer than it used to be. Its not about one or two games my silly tunnel visioned friend. Its about the vast majority of development companies spending millions more than they used too. I'm not even saying its necessary, its likely just because the teams are so massive gaves aren't driven with a good creative vision, too many hands in the pot and what would be better to make two AA games they make mixed messes that are streamlined for the majority of people. buy cheaper games and support cheaper more effiencient developers, or stfu and enjoy your 30 block buster titles that probably average out to 20 million per title.

In fact Killzone 2 cost 42 millions,7 more than a PS1 game,and almost 30 less than Shenmue,dude not all games cost 50 60 or 80 millions,most games will probably not pass 25 million to make,depends allot on many factors,like size,were ever or not a team reach it target in time,if they waist resources or not,for example The last Guardian most be a money pit for sony,just like Bioshock Infinite also is,because developer are having problems bringing their ideas to life.. In fact i am sure that the game that made most money today COD,probably cost like 25 millions or 30 tops..
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="mitu123"] I only agree in the online multiplayer, single player wise, I vastly prefer last gen, thanks to the PS2, one of the best systems of all time. None of the systems this gen are the best ever sadly.

mitu123

nah, i think this gen has been better in every way. better multiplayer games, better single player games, everything. i mean two amazing single player games just came out today and they're already better than the majority of games from last gen.

Aw come on, the PS2 was boss!:x:P

the ps3 was great but i have to give it to this gen. so many amazing games and innovations. games look better than ever
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IMO Besthesda and Rockstar are the only ones that make worthwhile DLC's...

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#138 PSP107
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[QUOTE="DarthJohnova"][QUOTE="PSP107"]This gen just sucks period.jg4xchamp
It's posts like this, and 'I hate this generation', that make me wonder...why are you folks even here?

are wtf were you playing. There has been plenty of great stuff this gen.

I started gaming since NES, the games you just listed below is laughable.
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#139 k2theswiss
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1: you know nothing about next gen

2: the reason why DLC comes day/ month or so after release is because in development. There must be a cut off point to add more content for time to fix bugs, Then once the game goes gold and sent off to mass produced and shipped. parts of the team has nothing to do SO why not work on dlc?

I kinda find dlc good for the team even though i don't normaly buy them. Because in some studios some devs and that are let go or forced take time off because there is NO work

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#140 HaloPimp978
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I'm picky about what DLC I buy. If it doesn't extent the games length or not worth or on disc then I refuse to buy it. Like TC in Borderlands 2 same thing yeah its my personal GOTY so far but I won't be buying DLC and I will just wait for the GOTY edition to come out which is the smart thing to do.
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#141 jg4xchamp
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[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="DarthJohnova"] It's posts like this, and 'I hate this generation', that make me wonder...why are you folks even here?PSP107
are wtf were you playing. There has been plenty of great stuff this gen.

I started gaming since NES, the games you just listed below is laughable.

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#142 campzor
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so what if there is dlc so soon? if you dont want to buy it then dont.. jesus... why do ppl think they have to buy every little piece of content available.
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#144 SOLDIER5678
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I like DLC, its give more options in a game..
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#145 WiiCubeM1
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Then don't buy the damn DLC. I've somehow made it the last 2 gens without online play (save for some Smash Bros on the Wii), and it hasn't bothered me yet.

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#146 TopTierHustler
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I don't understand the problem with DLC as long as it's not on disk.

I love how companies can add in more characters or levels or modes later on and it makes the game better.

Just seems like common sense; if you like a game, why wouldn't you want more of it?

that borderlands DLC was actually free if you pre-ordered and wasn't ready when the game came out, and free DLC is more than fair.

Threads like this are why I don't tell people I'm a gamer. Ever. Gamers are stereotyped as whiny and immature, and this thread shows it to be true.

*off soapbox. back to trolling*

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#147 delta3074
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[QUOTE="mems_1224"][QUOTE="DarthJohnova"] It's posts like this, and 'I hate this generation', that make me wonder...why are you folks even here?mitu123

yea, i dont understand people who hate this gen. why are they even playing games? this gen has been amazing, much better than last gen

I only agree in the online multiplayer, single player wise, I vastly prefer last gen, thanks to the PS2, one of the best systems of all time. None of the systems this gen are the best ever sadly.

This gen has been one of the best for me, mainly because of the abundance of WRPG's on consoles this generation, i would actaully say that as far as games are concerned the 360 is my second favorite console of all time and i am an offline gamer.
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#148 dommeus
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Yeah I agree. DLCs are really destroying gaming. :(

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Don't buy them.
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#149 delta3074
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I see there are a lot of people on here who obviously think they are entitled to everything Free, it's there product if they want to charge people for Extra content then more power to them, it amazes me how many people seem to think they have the right to tell Developers how to run there business, DLC is optional, it's extra stuff, yo don't have to buy it to get the full experience of the game, people Act as if DLC is taking away from the games itself, it's not, it's adding to the game, if you don't like it don't buy it but it's nice to have the option ther if you so choose.
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#150 jg4xchamp
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I see there are a lot of people on here who obviously think they are entitled to everything Free, it's there product if they want to charge people for Extra content then more power to them, it amazes me how many people seem to think they have the right to tell Developers how to run there business, DLC is optional, it's extra stuff, yo don't have to buy it to get the full experience of the game, people Act as if DLC is taking away from the games itself, it's not, it's adding to the game, if you don't like it don't buy it but it's nice to have the option ther if you so choose.delta3074
I would say there are plenty of arguments for why DLC isn't really adding to the game, as much as it's stuff that would have been in the game lets say the previous generation. Admittedly some stuff is more expansion/deleted content that got turned into dlc type stuff. But the rest of the post is spot on. You definitely can learn to work around the DLC stuff these days. There are just so many options games wise, and enough options on when and how to buy your games for a lot less than paying 60 bucks and the 10 bucks for the DLC.