I have both, GT5>Forza 4

GS actually has the option that lets you write your own reviews like a real reviewer.

Use that.

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[QUOTE="Deniable_Ops"]GT5 has a superior physics engine and is more for the hardcore car lover. Forza has a superior online setup and is the more accessible and arcadey game.SRTtoZ

as i will say take off the standard steering and put on the simulation steering system in Forza along with a few of the TCS stuff and that and its just as realistic as GT5.

Not true. I play both games with similiar settings and GT5 still has more realistic physics. Not sure if you know but even with all the assists off, people on youtube have PROVEN forza4 still uses some hidden assist to keep you on the track. The ONLY thing I keep on in both games is ABS at 5, both games I use a wheel and both games I use manual transmittion (sometimes with clutch in F4, depends). GT5 is def the "harder" game with all the assists off...you almost have to drive perfect to get around the track with the average times that are usual for those courses. I mean cmon I hang around the official F4 forums and I see people on a regular basis (new to the series and with a controller) beating PRO driver track times...how realistic can that be?? Dont get me wrong, the game is PHENOMOENAL and I love it and willl last me until F5 just like F3 lasted me until F4. Just sayin' there is a difference between the two.

the problem with taking all the assists off on GT5 makes some high powered cars near enough uncontrollable mess's without a decent steering wheel setup just thought i would say that thats problematic in terms of realism.

Also the biggest gripe with FM was always the AWD's which has been rectified and can you point me to those vids with the whole hidden assists :S

It's a tough call for me. GT5 has better driving physics, which I rank as being especially important. But Forza has better everything else.

Now, if Polyphony could improve the AI and give all the cars the premium treatment, GT5 would be the clear winner for me.

It's a tough call for me. GT5 has better driving physics, which I rank as being especially important. But Forza has better everything else.

Now, if Polyphony could improve the AI and give all the cars the premium treatment, GT5 would be the clear winner for me.

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Polyphony has massively improved the AI with their patches, and I imagine they'll continue to do so in the future.

[QUOTE="Deniable_Ops"]GT5 has a superior physics engine and is more for the hardcore car lover. Forza has a superior online setup and is the more accessible and arcadey game.razgriz_101

as i will say take off the standard steering and put on the simulation steering system in Forza along with a few of the TCS stuff and that and its just as realistic as GT5.

InsideSimRacing thinks that Forza4 is the more realistic console sim racer and almost every site that has reviewed Forza4 have said the same thing yet, there are some people here that claim that the GT5 physics model is still better based on their opinion. I've played both games as anyone can see that looks at my sig and I can say with confidence that Forza4 feels more realistic to me but that's only my opinion and I'm not trying to pass that off as fact, just my opinion. To someone that has never played a console sim racer before but may be interested in trying one out, who should they believe? A site dedicated to on-line simulator racing on all platforms and a plethora of random game sites that are all saying the same things about Forza4? Or a few hurt PS3 cheerleaders that claim that they've played both and so It's a confirmed fact (in they're opinions) that GT5 is more realistic? Hmmm.. should this really be a hard decision?

Some interesting stuff in here.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-21-reassessing-gran-turismo-5-article

Well the both flopped and both are AA, so it's all up to ones opinions. Heil68

I guess Forza 3 is better than both.

I just love how the TC blames the game for his crappy driving.

Here the thing: Both games are excellent. They both do things better than pretty much any console racer out there right now.

Gameplay-Forza's career progression is just better than GT5's, by a long shot. Forza 3 even had it beat in that regard. You get so many cars thrown at you and so many was to aquire them it just makes GT5's obsession with small japanese cars and other curios look stupid in comparison.

Customization and tuning- Forza outlclasses GT5. Say what you want about the car painting, It allows you to race wtih YOUR car not some stock job.And Forza's tuning options have always been stellar. GT5's tuning options are..ok at best.

Driving- I will always give this to GT5 because of it's outstanding wheel support. It's a DRIVING game, you should have many options.Combine that with GT5's already excellent physics and you have a sure winner. Forza's gamepad control is pretty damn good though.

UI-Forza 4 hands down. It's so sleek and easy to get around. GT5's UI was primitive in comparison.

Graphics-GT5 is tough to beat. The premiums are top notch. The standards are another matter and do not match up to Forza's more consistent car models. Maybe in another year or so after they have redone all of the standards, but now? No.Also, I think Forza 4's racing circuits look far better and are also more consistent. On the other hand GT5's other tracks like Tunisia's rally and the Tokyo night races look amazing.

Overall package- Forza's is designed to be far more accessible than GT5 where Forza feels like it wants everyone to become a car enthusiast, GT 5 feels like it was designed FOR enthusiasts.This results in Forza being a better game but GT5 coming across as a bit more advanced.

Some interesting stuff in here.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-10-21-reassessing-gran-turismo-5-article

Heirren

the problem with taking all the assists off on GT5 makes some high powered cars near enough uncontrollable mess's without a decent steering wheel setup just thought i would say that thats problematic in terms of realism.

Ummmm...yeah.....that's kind of how it's supposed be. IRL only the best, most talented and dedicated of drivers get to compete and drive in those cars. The F1 series and 24 hours at Le Mans are considered the pinnacle in motor racing, and the hardest to drive cars are the LM cars. Also in real life the Racing cars are meticulously set up, driver specific for weeks and even months before a driver get's into the car. And then they spend a few MORE days making final corrections and checks. A racing car taking state from the garage and to the track without any set up would likely kill anyone behind the wheel. The cars can be handled and good times can be made even with all assists off. The thing you have to remember is throttle control. Those cars have almost 800 BHP going to the rear wheels with no TC. It takes a little care and finesse to keep that power in contact with the road. You can't just lay on the throttle midway through a corner when the car is at it's limit and not expect it to go around.

Here the thing: Both games are excellent. They both do things better than pretty much any console racer out there right now.

Gameplay-Forza's career progression is just better than GT5's, by a long shot. Forza 3 even had it beat in that regard. You get so many cars thrown at you and so many was to aquire them it just makes GT5's obsession with small japanese cars and other curios look stupid in comparison.

Customization and tuning- Forza outlclasses GT5. Say what you want about the car painting, It allows you to race wtih YOUR car not some stock job.And Forza's tuning options have always been stellar. GT5's tuning options are..ok at best.

Driving- I will always give this to GT5 because of it's outstanding wheel support. It's a DRIVING game, you should have many options.Combine that with GT5's already excellent physics and you have a sure winner. Forza's gamepad control is pretty damn good though.

UI-Forza 4 hands down. It's so sleek and easy to get around. GT5's UI was primitive in comparison.

Graphics-GT5 is tough to beat. The premiums are top notch. The standards are another matter and do not match up to Forza's more consistent car models. Maybe in another year or so after they have redone all of the standards, but now? No.Also, I think Forza 4's racing circuits look far better and are also more consistent. On the other hand GT5's other tracks like Tunisia's rally and the Tokyo night races look amazing.

Overall package- Forza's is designed to be far more accessible than GT5 where Forza feels like it wants everyone to become a car enthusiast, GT 5 feels like it was designed FOR enthusiasts.This results in Forza being a better game but GT5 coming across as a bit more advanced.

heretrix

well Forza 4 flopped pretty hard, GT5 did too but after GT5 flopped ppl were rejoiced and thought F4 would be king but it ended up flopping too so I would say GT5 is still kingKevinButlerVP

Yep, both flopped here but doesnt change the fact that, going by most reviews, Forza 4 is the best racing game available now; from gameplay to graphics, polish and overal package.

Which one is the biggest flop? Well, it all depends of the hype they got. Let´s not forget GT 5 was used by Sony fanboys as 'ownage' against PGR 3, then Forza 2, then PGR 4, then Forza 3 and finally Forza 4. Funny thing is that it ended being outscored by all of them :P

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the problem with taking all the assists off on GT5 makes some high powered cars near enough uncontrollable mess's without a decent steering wheel setup just thought i would say that thats problematic in terms of realism.Nuck81

Ummmm...yeah.....that's kind of how it's supposed be. IRL only the best, most talented and dedicated of drivers get to compete and drive in those cars. The F1 series and 24 hours at Le Mans are considered the pinnacle in motor racing, and the hardest to drive cars are the LM cars. Also in real life the Racing cars are meticulously set up, driver specific for weeks and even months before a driver get's into the car. And then they spend a few MORE days making final corrections and checks. A racing car taking state from the garage and to the track without any set up would likely kill anyone behind the wheel. The cars can be handled and good times can be made even with all assists off. The thing you have to remember is throttle control. Those cars have almost 800 BHP going to the rear wheels with no TC. It takes a little care and finesse to keep that power in contact with the road. You can't just lay on the throttle midway through a corner when the car is at it's limit and not expect it to go around.

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the problem with taking all the assists off on GT5 makes some high powered cars near enough uncontrollable mess's without a decent steering wheel setup just thought i would say that thats problematic in terms of realism.heretrix

Ummmm...yeah.....that's kind of how it's supposed be. IRL only the best, most talented and dedicated of drivers get to compete and drive in those cars. The F1 series and 24 hours at Le Mans are considered the pinnacle in motor racing, and the hardest to drive cars are the LM cars. Also in real life the Racing cars are meticulously set up, driver specific for weeks and even months before a driver get's into the car. And then they spend a few MORE days making final corrections and checks. A racing car taking state from the garage and to the track without any set up would likely kill anyone behind the wheel. The cars can be handled and good times can be made even with all assists off. The thing you have to remember is throttle control. Those cars have almost 800 BHP going to the rear wheels with no TC. It takes a little care and finesse to keep that power in contact with the road. You can't just lay on the throttle midway through a corner when the car is at it's limit and not expect it to go around.

It shouldnt be easy but thats my problem with GT want to play with assists off you need the wheel and those are mighty fine expensive, a lot of us like playing without assists but i needed them in GT5 when i was racing in the likes of Nascar due to the fact Poly use the face buttons for accel and brake, even changing to the triggers didnt do much as the analogues are pretty loose on PS3's tbh.

Steering wheel is really needed for playing without assists on GT5 thats money and space i cant afford either kinda hinders folks like me a little bit doesnt it.

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the problem with taking all the assists off on GT5 makes some high powered cars near enough uncontrollable mess's without a decent steering wheel setup just thought i would say that thats problematic in terms of realism.razgriz_101

Ummmm...yeah.....that's kind of how it's supposed be. IRL only the best, most talented and dedicated of drivers get to compete and drive in those cars. The F1 series and 24 hours at Le Mans are considered the pinnacle in motor racing, and the hardest to drive cars are the LM cars. Also in real life the Racing cars are meticulously set up, driver specific for weeks and even months before a driver get's into the car. And then they spend a few MORE days making final corrections and checks. A racing car taking state from the garage and to the track without any set up would likely kill anyone behind the wheel. The cars can be handled and good times can be made even with all assists off. The thing you have to remember is throttle control. Those cars have almost 800 BHP going to the rear wheels with no TC. It takes a little care and finesse to keep that power in contact with the road. You can't just lay on the throttle midway through a corner when the car is at it's limit and not expect it to go around.

It shouldnt be easy but thats my problem with GT want to play with assists off you need the wheel and those are mighty fine expensive, a lot of us like playing without assists but i needed them in GT5 when i was racing in the likes of Nascar due to the fact Poly use the face buttons for accel and brake, even changing to the triggers didnt do much as the analogues are pretty loose on PS3's tbh.

Steering wheel is really needed for playing without assists on GT5 thats money and space i cant afford either kinda hinders folks like me a little bit doesnt it.

The actual racing is alot more fun, in forzas online 95% of the people use assisted braking, steering which takes the fun out of it. They automatically have a boost while im actually trying with advanced settings. Driving through weather and day night adds atmosphere in gt5. In forza the turns completely suck, you almost have to come to a complete stop to turn which is unrealistic. Gt5 has an amazing soundtrack adding to the experience. Gt5 has a better sense of speed, when going 200 mph in fprza it looks like your going 80 lol. As an owner of both GT5 wins. Edit: one more thing, GT5 is more challenging, i can finish forza 4 in a day and finish 1st place in every race because the dumb AI crashes into a wall on the final turn every race. GT 5 takes more time and skill to finish and buying cars takes more effort.Firstinstimct

Here the thing: Both games are excellent. They both do things better than pretty much any console racer out there right now.

Gameplay-Forza's career progression is just better than GT5's, by a long shot. Forza 3 even had it beat in that regard. You get so many cars thrown at you and so many was to aquire them it just makes GT5's obsession with small japanese cars and other curios look stupid in comparison.

Customization and tuning- Forza outlclasses GT5. Say what you want about the car painting, It allows you to race wtih YOUR car not some stock job.And Forza's tuning options have always been stellar. GT5's tuning options are..ok at best.

Driving- I will always give this to GT5 because of it's outstanding wheel support. It's a DRIVING game, you should have many options.Combine that with GT5's already excellent physics and you have a sure winner. Forza's gamepad control is pretty damn good though.

UI-Forza 4 hands down. It's so sleek and easy to get around. GT5's UI was primitive in comparison.

Graphics-GT5 is tough to beat. The premiums are top notch. The standards are another matter and do not match up to Forza's more consistent car models. Maybe in another year or so after they have redone all of the standards, but now? No.Also, I think Forza 4's racing circuits look far better and are also more consistent. On the other hand GT5's other tracks like Tunisia's rally and the Tokyo night races look amazing.

Overall package- Forza's is designed to be far more accessible than GT5 where Forza feels like it wants everyone to become a car enthusiast, GT 5 feels like it was designed FOR enthusiasts.This results in Forza being a better game but GT5 coming across as a bit more advanced.

heretrix

well Forza 4 flopped pretty hard, GT5 did too but after GT5 flopped ppl were rejoiced and thought F4 would be king but it ended up flopping too so I would say GT5 is still kingKevinButlerVP

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the problem with taking all the assists off on GT5 makes some high powered cars near enough uncontrollable mess's without a decent steering wheel setup just thought i would say that thats problematic in terms of realism.razgriz_101

Ummmm...yeah.....that's kind of how it's supposed be. IRL only the best, most talented and dedicated of drivers get to compete and drive in those cars. The F1 series and 24 hours at Le Mans are considered the pinnacle in motor racing, and the hardest to drive cars are the LM cars. Also in real life the Racing cars are meticulously set up, driver specific for weeks and even months before a driver get's into the car. And then they spend a few MORE days making final corrections and checks. A racing car taking state from the garage and to the track without any set up would likely kill anyone behind the wheel. The cars can be handled and good times can be made even with all assists off. The thing you have to remember is throttle control. Those cars have almost 800 BHP going to the rear wheels with no TC. It takes a little care and finesse to keep that power in contact with the road. You can't just lay on the throttle midway through a corner when the car is at it's limit and not expect it to go around.

It shouldnt be easy but thats my problem with GT want to play with assists off you need the wheel and those are mighty fine expensive, a lot of us like playing without assists but i needed them in GT5 when i was racing in the likes of Nascar due to the fact Poly use the face buttons for accel and brake, even changing to the triggers didnt do much as the analogues are pretty loose on PS3's tbh.

Steering wheel is really needed for playing without assists on GT5 thats money and space i cant afford either kinda hinders folks like me a little bit doesnt it.

What does owning both have to do with the credibility of your opinion? foxhound_fox

technically it should remove "LOL you should play both of them before you judge"

I don't like racing games unless it's like Mario Kart or something :P

But glad that you have an opinon.

Here the thing: Both games are excellent. They both do things better than pretty much any console racer out there right now.

Gameplay-Forza's career progression is just better than GT5's, by a long shot. Forza 3 even had it beat in that regard. You get so many cars thrown at you and so many was to aquire them it just makes GT5's obsession with small japanese cars and other curios look stupid in comparison.

Customization and tuning- Forza outlclasses GT5. Say what you want about the car painting, It allows you to race wtih YOUR car not some stock job.And Forza's tuning options have always been stellar. GT5's tuning options are..ok at best.

Driving- I will always give this to GT5 because of it's outstanding wheel support. It's a DRIVING game, you should have many options.Combine that with GT5's already excellent physics and you have a sure winner. Forza's gamepad control is pretty damn good though.

UI-Forza 4 hands down. It's so sleek and easy to get around. GT5's UI was primitive in comparison.

Graphics-GT5 is tough to beat. The premiums are top notch. The standards are another matter and do not match up to Forza's more consistent car models. Maybe in another year or so after they have redone all of the standards, but now? No.Also, I think Forza 4's racing circuits look far better and are also more consistent. On the other hand GT5's other tracks like Tunisia's rally and the Tokyo night races look amazing.

Overall package- Forza's is designed to be far more accessible than GT5 where Forza feels like it wants everyone to become a car enthusiast, GT 5 feels like it was designed FOR enthusiasts.This results in Forza being a better game but GT5 coming across as a bit more advanced.

heretrix

I can agree on pretty much everything you said. I also like that Forza 4 can be adjusted so it's easy enough for a 5 year old to play, or you can make it quite hardcore (not as much as GT5) but the flexibility is amazing

Good tale, chap.

Point?

TrapJak

i can finish forza 4 in a day and finish 1st place in every raceFirstinstimct

You lost credibility with this statement. I seriously :lol:. After 20 hours, I have barely scratched the surface of the entire Single player world tour and events. Also, play on a higher difficulty. :roll:

[QUOTE="Firstinstimct"] i can finish forza 4 in a day and finish 1st place in every racespeedfreak48t5p

You lost credibility with this statement. I seriously :lol:. After 20 hours, I have barely scratched the surface of the entire Single player world tour and events. Also, play on a higher difficulty. :roll:

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[QUOTE="Firstinstimct"] i can finish forza 4 in a day and finish 1st place in every raceracing1750

You lost credibility with this statement. I seriously :lol:. After 20 hours, I have barely scratched the surface of the entire Single player world tour and events. Also, play on a higher difficulty. :roll:

GT5 has a superior physics engine and is more for the hardcore car lover. Forza has a superior online setup and is the more accessible and arcadey game.Deniable_Ops

Superior online set up to GT 5? That's pretty hard to imagine, though I haven't seen the online setup in Forza, but the online in GT5 is buttery smooth and feature rich beyond reproach.

[QUOTE="Deniable_Ops"]GT5 has a superior physics engine and is more for the hardcore car lover. Forza has a superior online setup and is the more accessible and arcadey game.Pug-Nasty

Superior online set up to GT 5? That's pretty hard to imagine, though I haven't seen the online setup in Forza, but the online in GT5 is buttery smooth and feature rich beyond reproach.

GT5's online functionality is bare bones compared to Forza 4