I have finally figured out the key to understanding MGS4.

To understand MGS4 ( one of the very few games that has ever recieved 10/10 here ), you must have understood, all the other Metal Gear games.... I thought MGS4 was so bad for so long, but when you understand the whole story as a big unit, you will come to realise that it is truely the a game deserving of ten, and its also only on ps3 :P

uhhh....well yea...the understanding of any MGS game is usually what turns most people off, but once you do understand it they are such amazing games

but no....it deserves a 9.0/10 and no higher...but that's just my opinion

and yes...we know, it's ONLY been on the PS3 for awhile now

t when you understand the whole story as a big unit, you will come to realise that it is truely the a game deserving of tenMegaman5364

Story is very important. Which is why games like Halo and GeoW just aren't all that interesting.

And MGS4 excels in pretty much every area, from graphics to gameplay to sound.

Story is very important. Which is why games like Halo and GeoW just aren't all that interesting.metalgear-solid

I have to disagree with you TC. I have been a MGS fan since part 1 and always understood the overall story. With MGS4 the story was a mess. Kojima and Murata tired so hard to fix the story mistakes with MGS2 and the overall series with MGS4. It just seemed like an horribly written clip notes for the MGS series.

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Story is very important. Which is why games like Halo and GeoW just aren't all that interesting.vashkey

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Story is very important. Which is why games like Halo and GeoW just aren't all that interesting.vashkey

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Story is very important. Which is why games like Halo and GeoW just aren't all that interesting.mgs_freak91

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Story is very important. Which is why games like Halo and GeoW just aren't all that interesting.dkjestrup

[QUOTE="Megaman5364"]t when you understand the whole story as a big unit, you will come to realise that it is truely the a game deserving of tenvashkey

[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="Megaman5364"]t when you understand the whole story as a big unit, you will come to realise that it is truely the a game deserving of tenIndie_Hitman

Now I would be very disapointed if I played MGS4 and there happened to be no story but if the game provided with enough fun I could look past that. I can't the same if the game had terrible gameplay but a good story. I'd drop it in a few hours or less.

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Story is very important. Which is why games like Halo and GeoW just aren't all that interesting.dkjestrup

I disagree, the primary reason that i'm a big fan of the Halo franchise is the story and the single player (coop), i've never once bought a Halo game for the multiplayer as my primary reason and there's alot of fans exactly like me in that regard.

Dont let Halo's popularity online tell you that fans are only fans due to the MP, if you check many of the fansites around the net you'll see a good percentage of them are more focused on the lore rather than what the new mappack is for MP.

As for MGS4 it was a great game, had decent gameplay, great production value and a pretty good story, i still dont think it deserved a 10 here as i didnt live up to the "prime" description, nor did GTAIV in fact.

It wasn't really worthy of a 10, and as a MGS fan I wasn't too fond of the plot either. It's too much of a cluttered mess that never takes advantage of it's ambition or the message the game tries to deliver(which deserves praise because it is actually a game that tries to deliver a message, that's not common).

On gameplay alone, MGO is just a sloppy addition for multiplayer and some boss fights are poorly done. Screaming Mantis was far too dull and tried too hard to be flashy. Raging Raven was a bit repetitive, and the chase sequence in act 3 was far too drawn out. Heavy reliance on plot devices, poor writing that led to some repetitive dialogue didn't help either. Not to mention the complete **** up that is the new Raiden. He went from a character the player could atleast somewhat connect to; to some wannabe badass ninja that just came off corny.

MGS 3 was the most cohesive plot the series has put together and it was the best narrative experience the franchise has put out because of it.My dislikes aside it was a great game and technically impressive, but I would highly disagree with the 10. a

It wasn't really worthy of a 10, and as a MGS fan I wasn't too fond of the plot either. It's too much of a cluttered mess that never takes advantage of it's ambition or the message the game tries to deliver(which deserves praise because it is actually a game that tries to deliver a message, that's not common). On gameplay alone, MGO is just a sloppy addition for multiplayer and some boss fights are poorly done. Screaming Mantis was far too dull and tried too hard to be flashy. Raging Raven was a bit repetitive, and the chase sequence in act 3 was far too drawn out. Heavy reliance on plot devices, poor writing that led to some repetitive dialogue didn't help either. Not to mention the complete **** up that is the new Raiden. He went from a character the player could atleast somewhat connect to; to some wannabe badass ninja that just came off corny. My dislikes aside it was a great game and technically impressive, but I would highly disagree with the 10. jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]It wasn't really worthy of a 10, and as a MGS fan I wasn't too fond of the plot either. It's too much of a cluttered mess that never takes advantage of it's ambition or the message the game tries to deliver(which deserves praise because it is actually a game that tries to deliver a message, that's not common). On gameplay alone, MGO is just a sloppy addition for multiplayer and some boss fights are poorly done. Screaming Mantis was far too dull and tried too hard to be flashy. Raging Raven was a bit repetitive, and the chase sequence in act 3 was far too drawn out. Heavy reliance on plot devices, poor writing that led to some repetitive dialogue didn't help either. Not to mention the complete **** up that is the new Raiden. He went from a character the player could atleast somewhat connect to; to some wannabe badass ninja that just came off corny. My dislikes aside it was a great game and technically impressive, but I would highly disagree with the 10. Indie_Hitman

[QUOTE="Indie_Hitman"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]It wasn't really worthy of a 10, and as a MGS fan I wasn't too fond of the plot either. It's too much of a cluttered mess that never takes advantage of it's ambition or the message the game tries to deliver(which deserves praise because it is actually a game that tries to deliver a message, that's not common). On gameplay alone, MGO is just a sloppy addition for multiplayer and some boss fights are poorly done. Screaming Mantis was far too dull and tried too hard to be flashy. Raging Raven was a bit repetitive, and the chase sequence in act 3 was far too drawn out. Heavy reliance on plot devices, poor writing that led to some repetitive dialogue didn't help either. Not to mention the complete **** up that is the new Raiden. He went from a character the player could atleast somewhat connect to; to some wannabe badass ninja that just came off corny. My dislikes aside it was a great game and technically impressive, but I would highly disagree with the 10. vashkey

lmao...that is pretty true

i'd like to meet a person who relates to psycho mantis....lol

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]It wasn't really worthy of a 10, and as a MGS fan I wasn't too fond of the plot either. It's too much of a cluttered mess that never takes advantage of it's ambition or the message the game tries to deliver(which deserves praise because it is actually a game that tries to deliver a message, that's not common). On gameplay alone, MGO is just a sloppy addition for multiplayer and some boss fights are poorly done. Screaming Mantis was far too dull and tried too hard to be flashy. Raging Raven was a bit repetitive, and the chase sequence in act 3 was far too drawn out. Heavy reliance on plot devices, poor writing that led to some repetitive dialogue didn't help either. Not to mention the complete **** up that is the new Raiden. He went from a character the player could atleast somewhat connect to; to some wannabe badass ninja that just came off corny. My dislikes aside it was a great game and technically impressive, but I would highly disagree with the 10. Indie_Hitman

[QUOTE="Indie_Hitman"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]It wasn't really worthy of a 10, and as a MGS fan I wasn't too fond of the plot either. It's too much of a cluttered mess that never takes advantage of it's ambition or the message the game tries to deliver(which deserves praise because it is actually a game that tries to deliver a message, that's not common). On gameplay alone, MGO is just a sloppy addition for multiplayer and some boss fights are poorly done. Screaming Mantis was far too dull and tried too hard to be flashy. Raging Raven was a bit repetitive, and the chase sequence in act 3 was far too drawn out. Heavy reliance on plot devices, poor writing that led to some repetitive dialogue didn't help either. Not to mention the complete **** up that is the new Raiden. He went from a character the player could atleast somewhat connect to; to some wannabe badass ninja that just came off corny. My dislikes aside it was a great game and technically impressive, but I would highly disagree with the 10. vashkey

[QUOTE="Indie_Hitman"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]It wasn't really worthy of a 10, and as a MGS fan I wasn't too fond of the plot either. It's too much of a cluttered mess that never takes advantage of it's ambition or the message the game tries to deliver(which deserves praise because it is actually a game that tries to deliver a message, that's not common). On gameplay alone, MGO is just a sloppy addition for multiplayer and some boss fights are poorly done. Screaming Mantis was far too dull and tried too hard to be flashy. Raging Raven was a bit repetitive, and the chase sequence in act 3 was far too drawn out. Heavy reliance on plot devices, poor writing that led to some repetitive dialogue didn't help either. Not to mention the complete **** up that is the new Raiden. He went from a character the player could atleast somewhat connect to; to some wannabe badass ninja that just came off corny. My dislikes aside it was a great game and technically impressive, but I would highly disagree with the 10. jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="vashkey"][QUOTE="Indie_Hitman"] I disagree about Raiden. I do not relate to whiny ...whiners and, although I didn't relate to him in this game, at least he looked cool.jg4xchamp

well obviously something happened to him in between 2 and 4 to make him the way he came to be......and since rising is raidens story and it's set between 2 and 4 i'm guessing rising is the story of his transformation of how he became the raiden in MGS4

The 10 is ridiculous imo. It should have gotten lower than Snake Eater. It seems to me that the reviewer got too emotionally attached to the characters and plot and gave it a ten just because.

I think by the end of MGS4 Raiden was missing both arms and fighting with a sword in his mouth, it was silly. I would have to say story wise MGS4 is the worst followed by MGS2. It's like someone has to tell Kojima to pull it back a little with the story cause if you don't keep him in check then he'll go over board. I think that's why MGS3 story was great and then when 4 came around he fell back into some old habits.

[QUOTE="Indie_Hitman"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]It wasn't really worthy of a 10, and as a MGS fan I wasn't too fond of the plot either. It's too much of a cluttered mess that never takes advantage of it's ambition or the message the game tries to deliver(which deserves praise because it is actually a game that tries to deliver a message, that's not common). On gameplay alone, MGO is just a sloppy addition for multiplayer and some boss fights are poorly done. Screaming Mantis was far too dull and tried too hard to be flashy. Raging Raven was a bit repetitive, and the chase sequence in act 3 was far too drawn out. Heavy reliance on plot devices, poor writing that led to some repetitive dialogue didn't help either. Not to mention the complete **** up that is the new Raiden. He went from a character the player could atleast somewhat connect to; to some wannabe badass ninja that just came off corny. My dislikes aside it was a great game and technically impressive, but I would highly disagree with the 10. jg4xchamp

The 10 is ridiculous imo. It should have gotten lower than Snake Eater. It seems to me that the reviewer got too emotionally attached to the characters and plot and gave it a ten just because.

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its still the best game this gen for me IMO. heck even my sister who havent played any MGS before loves it. And i feel MGO is a little underrated imo

Exactly what I have been saying! 97% People who attack MGS4 have never played the previous games, it really is one of the very few games I can call perfect

The 10 is ridiculous imo. It should have gotten lower than Snake Eater. It seems to me that the reviewer got too emotionally attached to the characters and plot and gave it a ten just because.

Understand it, don't like a lot of it. A good game, a terrible Metal Gear Solid.

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The 10 is ridiculous imo. It should have gotten lower than Snake Eater. It seems to me that the reviewer got too emotionally attached to the characters and plot and gave it a ten just because.

KevinButlerVP

[QUOTE="Megaman5364"]t when you understand the whole story as a big unit, you will come to realise that it is truely the a game deserving of tenvashkey

The 10 is ridiculous imo. It should have gotten lower than Snake Eater. It seems to me that the reviewer got too emotionally attached to the characters and plot and gave it a ten just because.

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The 10 is ridiculous imo. It should have gotten lower than Snake Eater. It seems to me that the reviewer got too emotionally attached to the characters and plot and gave it a ten just because.

KevinButlerVP

well the MGS series isn't exactly the newest of games

nostalgia for the characters or not...i'm sorry but you're not gonna find just about ANYTHING in SMG or SMG2 that was in any of the other marios and THAT's why it got a 10...it's fresh and it's new

of course you would know this if you'd played either one of em and branch out from just only sony games and be an actual gamer instead of a fanboy

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Ninja-Hippo"]MGS4 was the least deserving of a 10 if you ask me. KVO gushed like crazy over that game and lacked objectivity. If you're not an MGS fan you will absolutely hate it, and even for myself as a huge MGS fan i was a little let down by how contrived the whole thing was. That and the joke of a multiplayer mode sold as a 'whole separate game!' You can't have a laundry list of issues and score a ten if you ask me. WAIW

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The 10 is ridiculous imo. It should have gotten lower than Snake Eater. It seems to me that the reviewer got too emotionally attached to the characters and plot and gave it a ten just because.

KevinButlerVP

Thats ironic considering that MGS4 needed the aid of the other 3 games to be "perfect", and played most on nostalgia.(With the Shadow Moses stage and all)

Understand them all, I understood stuff like MGS2 on first playthrough, loved everything about each MGS, the ending to MGS4 was awesome to me, part fill in the gaps, part fan service. :D

Nothing is wrong with needing 3 other games to be perfect, it was a series with a generally overhead plot. Few game series try to have a single plot consistantly go that long, its not beneficial to have everyone play each, but to anyone who has, and enjoyed all the others, it is a 10/10 experiance.

this is an interesting thread. MGS4 was the first Metal Gear game I'd played since MGS2 first came out, and I really didn't like it. it's been said before, but the plot just seemed like a boring convoluted mess despite some fun gameplay, and I gave up on it.

now I'm thinking part of the problem was that I hadn't played the series for so long, and didn't play Snake Eater at all. so I think I'm gonna try playing the series from the very start, with MGS3, and seeing how I feel about the game then. Plus it'll be fun to go back to the old games. Be my guide, Hideo.