You could always look at it as an extra and superluous feature, so that its flaws don't detract from the single player experience or score... I know I did, I wanted to forget about it almost immediately after playingWAIWWhat it did do was detract from the game itself.
I have finally figured out the key to understanding MGS4.
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and giving the game a ten because they got emotionally attatched to the story is the part of the review, its why mario scores so high but in MGS4s case it was actually a good game and not just a nostalgic one[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"][QUOTE="Indie_Hitman"] MGS3 should have gotten a 10. That doesn't mean MGS4 wasn't deserving of a 10..... IMO.CDUB316
well the MGS series isn't exactly the newest of games
nostalgia for the characters or not...i'm sorry but you're not gonna find just about ANYTHING in SMG or SMG2 that was in any of the other marios and THAT's why it got a 10...it's fresh and it's new
of course you would know this if you'd played either one of em and branch out from just only sony games and be an actual gamer instead of a fanboy
MGS4 re-did the series with new shooting mechanics and lots of other stuff, so now your saying that MGS4 had nothing new from any other MGS game and SMG 2 is very similiar to SMG
That's funny...I played all the Metal Gears..and as a MGS fan felt MGS4 was a huge letdown story wise.
Snake Eater was more Deserving of that 10.
and giving the game a ten because they got emotionally attatched to the story is the part of the review, its why mario scores so high but in MGS4s case it was actually a good game and not just a nostalgic one[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"][QUOTE="Indie_Hitman"] MGS3 should have gotten a 10. That doesn't mean MGS4 wasn't deserving of a 10..... IMO.Zerocrossings
Thats ironic considering that MGS4 needed the aid of the other 3 games to be "perfect", and played most on nostalgia.(With the Shadow Moses stage and all)
not true, MGS actually built up on a story from the first three and of course nostalgia is also involved with that sceneSo true. Snake Eater was about as good as gaming gets, yet Gamespot decided to be harsh with that one. The world makes no sense. :PThat's funny...I played all the Metal Gears..and as a MGS fan felt MGS4 was a huge letdown story wise.
Snake Eater was more Deserving of that 10.
Kandlegoat
[QUOTE="Zerocrossings"][QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"] and giving the game a ten because they got emotionally attatched to the story is the part of the review, its why mario scores so high but in MGS4s case it was actually a good game and not just a nostalgic oneKevinButlerVP
Thats ironic considering that MGS4 needed the aid of the other 3 games to be "perfect", and played most on nostalgia.(With the Shadow Moses stage and all)
not true, MGS actually built up on a story from the first three and of course nostalgia is also involved with that sceneWhich means MGS4 relied on nostalgia more so than Mario Galaxy ever did. :lol:
I never had a nostalgic moment playing Galaxy. So your garbage about nostalgia is wrong.
MGS4 re-did the series with new shooting mechanics and lots of other stuff, so now your saying that MGS4 had nothing new from any other MGS game and SMG 2 is very similiar to SMGKevinButlerVPIt redid the shooting mechanics and even then the gunplay wasn't all that satisfying, and the general controls weren't as tight as other third person shooters on the market. If we really want to go further it was also a much easier stealth game because it didn't adapt the game to the improved shooting mechanics, and the ability to just fund yourself an unlimited amount of tranq ammo from drebin.
SMG2 is similar to SMG1 but it's far more challenging, has even more variety, and superior level design all together to SMG. Not to mention boss fights that are actually fun, and not the dull game of glorified tennis the first mario galaxy was. SMG 2 maybe more similar, but it's a superior and far more improved version. It makes a strong case for that 10 with its gameplay than MGS 4 ever does.
Oh and to spare me the story BS. SMG2s plot is all but non existant, but that doesn't suddenly make MGS 4s plot flawless. On poor writing and dialogue alone you can detract from the story. I don't think any game needed an editor more than MGS 4. Again I wouldn't necessarily give Super Mario Galaxy 2 a 10 either, but it makes a stronger case for it than MGS 4 ever did.
[QUOTE="CDUB316"]
[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"] and giving the game a ten because they got emotionally attatched to the story is the part of the review, its why mario scores so high but in MGS4s case it was actually a good game and not just a nostalgic oneKevinButlerVP
well the MGS series isn't exactly the newest of games
nostalgia for the characters or not...i'm sorry but you're not gonna find just about ANYTHING in SMG or SMG2 that was in any of the other marios and THAT's why it got a 10...it's fresh and it's new
of course you would know this if you'd played either one of em and branch out from just only sony games and be an actual gamer instead of a fanboy
MGS4 re-did the series with new shooting mechanics and lots of other stuff, so now your saying that MGS4 had nothing new from any other MGS game and SMG 2 is very similiar to SMG
uuuhhhh...i didn't say that at all...idk how you got that, lol
the only thing i said about MGS4 was in the first line...the rest were about SMG and SMG2 compared to past mario games in which gamers would be nostalgic to
again...never said anything about MGS4 like that, think you read too far into it
[QUOTE="Kandlegoat"]So true. Snake Eater was about as good as gaming gets, yet Gamespot decided to be harsh with that one. The world makes no sense. :PThat's funny...I played all the Metal Gears..and as a MGS fan felt MGS4 was a huge letdown story wise.
Snake Eater was more Deserving of that 10.
Ninja-Hippo
Indeed,although I find it annoying how MGS fanboys constantly call the series "Art".... however with MGS3,it's the truth.
That boss fight with "the End" alone is superior to anything in MGS4.
*EDIT* I stopped caring about reviews especially GS reviews a long time ago.
[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]
[QUOTE="CDUB316"]
well the MGS series isn't exactly the newest of games
nostalgia for the characters or not...i'm sorry but you're not gonna find just about ANYTHING in SMG or SMG2 that was in any of the other marios and THAT's why it got a 10...it's fresh and it's new
of course you would know this if you'd played either one of em and branch out from just only sony games and be an actual gamer instead of a fanboy
CDUB316
MGS4 re-did the series with new shooting mechanics and lots of other stuff, so now your saying that MGS4 had nothing new from any other MGS game and SMG 2 is very similiar to SMG
uuuhhhh...i didn't say that at all...idk how you got that, lol
the only thing i said about MGS4 was in the first line...the rest were about SMG and SMG2 compared to past mario games in which gamers would be nostalgic to
again...never said anything about MGS4 like that, think you read too far into it
when you say that SMG2 got a 10 cause its fresh and new, you're wrong since its very similar to SMG and by saying that you are implying that MGS4 does nothing new for the seriesNot one to say MGO is good, but I would disagree here. If I honestly felt that a game made a legit case for itself getting a 10 in spite of a MP because the single player experience was that good, that impressive, and that outstanding. Than I am more than willing to accept a 10 inspite of poor multiplayer. It's a matter of judging the game on what it does right, and does best. IF what it does right and does best is the single player experience and is honestly that damn good. Than it's worthy of the high praise no matter how "bad" the multiplayer is. Ofcourse it goes without saying I didn't think MGS 4s single player was strong enough for that 10 now. Just wanted to put in my 2 cents. jg4xchampI was pulled off track when someone pulled up the multiplayer comments. :P I think you can have a crappy multiplayer and still get a 10 if the single player is face-rockingly amazing by all means. But like you said, and i said in my first post here, the multiplayer sucked hard and the single player had a fair few issues. Too many to get a 10. Of course i don't want to give the wrong impression and say that MGS4 is a bad game by any means, but it's not the best in the series and for me at least, definitely not worthy of a 10.
i thought the message of MGS4's story got buried under elaborate cinematics and production value
i thought MGS3 was far more poignant in the story department despite not being as slick or subtle
gameplay wise i thought the controls were easily the best of any MGS, but the level design got dumber as the game went on - act 3 was pretty dumb, act 4 was mind-numbingly easy, act 5 was ok but way too short (there's only 1 room with enemies)
the bosses were ok, but not really fleshed out... literally every b&b was the same just each a homage of an earlier MGS's mini-boss but without any clear defining personality for any of 'em, but also not as fun to fight as those bosses the game is homaging... Vamp's boss fight was stupid, but on the plus side the Rex parts were awesome and so was the final boss fight
it's an 8.5-9/10 game, not perfect 10/10
[QUOTE="CDUB316"]
[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"]
MGS4 re-did the series with new shooting mechanics and lots of other stuff, so now your saying that MGS4 had nothing new from any other MGS game and SMG 2 is very similiar to SMGKevinButlerVP
uuuhhhh...i didn't say that at all...idk how you got that, lol
the only thing i said about MGS4 was in the first line...the rest were about SMG and SMG2 compared to past mario games in which gamers would be nostalgic to
again...never said anything about MGS4 like that, think you read too far into it
when you say that SMG2 got a 10 cause its fresh and new, you're wrong since its very similar to SMG and by saying that you are implying that MGS4 does nothing new for the seriesthat's why i kept saying SMG and SMG2 when talking about them
i was talking about them in combo compared to PAST mario games not from this gen
SMG got a 9.5 and SMG2 improved upon EVERYTHING that SMG did so yea it deserves a 10
it's pretty hard to be nostalgic to a game that came out in just a little more than a year ago
i thought you had to have a fine understanding of smoking monkeys and poop jokes.
I would give MGS4 an 11, it's easily in the Top 10 games of the generation. The other stuff people list when they say "good games" are usually crappy titles like MW2 (oh boy, buggy multiplayer and utter crap single player? Woo?). It deserves a 10 for just not being completely braindead like the majority of games released this generation. We can put titles like Mass Effect and even Super Mario Galaxy on that Top 10 list though, and they can definitely give it some stiff competition. Portal obviously fair-and-away knocks 99.9% of titles out of contention for even deserving above a 7 (if scoring were relative).
when you say that SMG2 got a 10 cause its fresh and new, you're wrong since its very similar to SMG and by saying that you are implying that MGS4 does nothing new for the seriesKevinButlerVP
Have you played the SMG games? Because SMG2 is only similar to SMG in terms of setting, layout and basic gameplay mechanics. Other than that, it's probably the most original and well-executed platformer of all time, even more so than the first.
yes. the whole metal gear story coming full circle like that is the pinnacle of gaming imoTo understand MGS4 ( one of the very few games that has ever recieved 10/10 here ), you must have understood, all the other Metal Gear games.... I thought MGS4 was so bad for so long, but when you understand the whole story as a big unit, you will come to realise that it is truely the a game deserving of ten, and its also only on ps3 :P
Megaman5364
i thought all you needed was a simple education and actually pa attention. but yes, you should play the other ones first. thats how most sequels in both games and movies work. though it was confusing going from mgs2 (present) to mgs3 (past during cold war) to mgs4 (after mgs4). timeskipping sucks.antifanboyftwDon't forget the psp game was part of the story in MGS4 as well.
[QUOTE="Megaman5364"]t when you understand the whole story as a big unit, you will come to realise that it is truely the a game deserving of tenvashkeyA game should never deserve a ten for it's story alone.It shouldn't hardly even factor into the score.What?
I don't know. The actual story of MGS4 is pretty understandable. The only thing that had me confused was the super long graveyard scene at the end of the game.
[QUOTE="Megaman5364"]t when you understand the whole story as a big unit, you will come to realise that it is truely the a game deserving of tenvashkeyA game should never deserve a ten for it's story alone. It shouldn't hardly even factor into the score.
MGS4 happens to have great gameplay and a great story.
any time where 3 parts of the series I have to listen to otacons inane ramblings either about his weird nuclear dna worries, or admitance he caused his fathers heart attack by boning his step mother, and his step sister wants to bone him too...or the other weird crap that happend in mgs 4...yeah thats not a good story to me anymore.
Anything with boning equals a good storyany time where 3 parts of the series I have to listen to otacons inane ramblings either about his weird nuclear dna worries, or admitance he caused his fathers heart attack by boning his step mother, and his step sister wants to bone him too...or the other weird crap that happend in mgs 4...yeah thats not a good story to me anymore.
WilliamRLBaker
i'm going to have to disagree with you. i really enjoyed MGS4, but i found the story to be confusing, ridiculous, waaaay too drawn out, and entirely too heavy handed. but that's just me.Story is very important. Which is why games like Halo and GeoW just aren't all that interesting.
And MGS4 excels in pretty much every area, from graphics to gameplay to sound.
metalgear-solid
[QUOTE="metalgear-solid"]i'm going to have to disagree with you. i really enjoyed MGS4, but i found the story to be confusing, ridiculous, waaaay too drawn out, and entirely too heavy handed. but that's just me. Did you play MGS3? Because when you say "drawn out", I can assure that it wasnt.Story is very important. Which is why games like Halo and GeoW just aren't all that interesting.
And MGS4 excels in pretty much every area, from graphics to gameplay to sound.
clone01
[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="metalgear-solid"]i'm going to have to disagree with you. i really enjoyed MGS4, but i found the story to be confusing, ridiculous, waaaay too drawn out, and entirely too heavy handed. but that's just me. Did you play MGS3? Because when you say "drawn out", I can assure that it wasnt. yes, i did. actually, despite what many have said, that was my least favorite of the series (mgs2 was the best one imo). and yes, i do think it was drawn out. i mean, that last cutscene is just excessive.Story is very important. Which is why games like Halo and GeoW just aren't all that interesting.
And MGS4 excels in pretty much every area, from graphics to gameplay to sound.
gaming25
The gameplay was terrible. It wasn't innovate. The story was a jungled, complicated mess. LBP was better. It was extremely innovative, charming. Demons Souls was also great. It was refreshing, had awesome gameplay. Uncharted 2 was more deserving of a 10. Objectively, it was a masterpiece. I personally would give it a 9.5, but if I had to say which game deserved a 10, this would be it. Honestly, GTA4 and MGS4 both only deserved a 9. LBP and Demons Souls deserved a 9.5dkjestrup
Full agreement with your post, but I would give Demon's Souls a 10. I thinink the 9.5 for Uncharted 2 was on spot.
Also I would have given MGS4 an 8.5, I fully understand the story and it fails compaired to all other versions of MGS in the serise before it. And even tho most people hate MGS2: Son's of Liberty because of the descisions Kojima made with how and who to play with during the game, if you can understand what he was trying to do with those changes on Psycological level, you would realize that it is the true gem of the serise (story wise).
IMO MGS4 is a million years away from MGS2 story wise, but any MGS is better than pt4. Kojima begain casualizing the serise and conforming his ideas to what he though people wanted after pt2 there by limiting the greatness of MGS lore as a whole, and even tho MGS3 is still amazing game despite this fact MGS4 felt like something that could have been made by the average everyday cheesy video gamestory writerswe are use to today.
If Kojima's name, hype and legacy had not been attached the title of MGS4, it probably would have been a 7.5 or 8.0 game tops
[QUOTE="dkjestrup"]The gameplay was terrible. It wasn't innovate. The story was a jungled, complicated mess. LBP was better. It was extremely innovative, charming. Demons Souls was also great. It was refreshing, had awesome gameplay. Uncharted 2 was more deserving of a 10. Objectively, it was a masterpiece. I personally would give it a 9.5, but if I had to say which game deserved a 10, this would be it. Honestly, GTA4 and MGS4 both only deserved a 9. LBP and Demons Souls deserved a 9.5hard_body79
Full agreement with your post, but I would give Demon's Souls a 10. I thinink the 9.5 for Uncharted 2 was on spot.
Also I would have given MGS4 an 8.5, I fully understand the story and it fails compaired to all other versions of MGS in the serise before it. And even tho most people hate MGS2: Son's of Liberty because of the descisions Kojima made with how and who to play with during the game, if you can understand what he was trying to do with those changes on Psycological level, you would realize that it is the true gem of the serise (story wise).
IMO MGS4 is a million years away from MGS2 story wise, but any MGS is better than pt4. Kojima begain casualizing the serise and conforming his ideas to what he though people wanted after pt2 there by limiting the greatness of MGS lore as a whole, and even tho MGS3 is still amazing game despite this fact MGS4 felt like something that couldhave been made by the average everyday cheesyvideo gamestory writerswe are use to today.
I understood MGS2 - I didn't like it. The message it was putting across wasn't unique and the story was weird and frustrating. MGS4 was about ending the storyline. That's it. It wasn't meant to shock you, make you go 'HOLY ****'. It was there to end Snakes storyline and answer any unanswered questions. It did this flawlessly. The final fight at the was a beautiful finale, and that final conversation after the credits (I think it was after the credits), tied everything together perfectly. I haven't been an MGS fan for long. I played MGS1 last November, MGS2 December, MGS3 last March and MGS4 just a few weeks ago, but this whole series is above and beyond anything released this gen ( bar a couple of rare exceptions). ...I've actually forgotten what i was going to say but I'll end with - I can't wait to play Peace Walker XD.[QUOTE="gaming25"][QUOTE="clone01"] i'm going to have to disagree with you. i really enjoyed MGS4, but i found the story to be confusing, ridiculous, waaaay too drawn out, and entirely too heavy handed. but that's just me.clone01Did you play MGS3? Because when you say "drawn out", I can assure that it wasnt. yes, i did. actually, despite what many have said, that was my least favorite of the series (mgs2 was the best one imo). and yes, i do think it was drawn out. i mean, that last cutscene is just excessive.
Give this man a metal(Gear Solid).
Gotta give you props for recognizing this, and I also agree with all you comments of MGS4.
It's easy for most people to say MGS3 was the best one, but MGS2 has depth that most people just fail to grasp. MGS4 has no depth and had nothing to "grasp" there was no epicness (MGS3 atleast had that) and was pretty much a straightfoward action games with stelth elements tacked on and a rediclious stroy that was "traying" to make you feel like something amazing and over your head wasgoing on that you just don't understnad so you should be impressed--even if you don't konw why you are being impressed.
I don't understand the praise for Portal. Yes, it was breath of fresh air and is a very unique game but - It's very short and not particularly difficult. :S Just my take on it.I would give MGS4 an 11, it's easily in the Top 10 games of the generation. The other stuff people list when they say "good games" are usually crappy titles like MW2 (oh boy, buggy multiplayer and utter crap single player? Woo?). It deserves a 10 for just not being completely braindead like the majority of games released this generation. We can put titles like Mass Effect and even Super Mario Galaxy on that Top 10 list though, and they can definitely give it some stiff competition. Portal obviously fair-and-away knocks 99.9% of titles out of contention for even deserving above a 7 (if scoring were relative).
subrosian
Yeah you definitely need to have a grasp of the whole MGS story to truly appreciate MGS4. It's a great game in it's own right, I'll give it a 9.0 but it gets an extra 1.0 from me because I have been following the franchise for a decade and it's a perfect conclusion to the Solid Snake story. I have not enjoyed a game this gen as much as MGS4. It has just the right amount of changes for an MGS game, the gameplay is the best in the franchise and the story is just as good if not better than MGS3. I rank it like this in the series: MGS1>MGS4>MGS3>MGS2. And it's the best franchise I have played.
yes, i did. actually, despite what many have said, that was my least favorite of the series (mgs2 was the best one imo). and yes, i do think it was drawn out. i mean, that last cutscene is just excessive.[QUOTE="clone01"][QUOTE="gaming25"] Did you play MGS3? Because when you say "drawn out", I can assure that it wasnt.hard_body79
Give this man a metal(Gear Solid).
Gotta give you props for recognizing this, and I also agree with all you comments of MGS4.
It's easy for most people to say MGS3 was the best one, but MGS2 has depth that most people just fail to grasp. MGS4 has no depth and had nothing to "grasp" there was no epicness (MGS3 atleast had that) and was pretty much a straightfoward action games with stelth elements tacked on and a rediclious stroy that was "traying" to make you feel like something amazing and over your head wasgoing on that you just don't understnad so you should be impressed--even if you don't konw why you are being impressed.
MGS2 was the worst one IMO. I cant believe that you would say that MGS2 had more "depth" than MGS4. MGS2 was a watered down version of the MGS series. It was made to be like all of the other games at that time, and try to appeal to as many people as possible. Although MGS2 was good, when you compare it to the other MGS (especiall to MGS3 and 4) it was very cheesy and the story was like a fairy tale.[QUOTE="hard_body79"][QUOTE="dkjestrup"]The gameplay was terrible. It wasn't innovate. The story was a jungled, complicated mess. LBP was better. It was extremely innovative, charming. Demons Souls was also great. It was refreshing, had awesome gameplay. Uncharted 2 was more deserving of a 10. Objectively, it was a masterpiece. I personally would give it a 9.5, but if I had to say which game deserved a 10, this would be it. Honestly, GTA4 and MGS4 both only deserved a 9. LBP and Demons Souls deserved a 9.5Indie_Hitman
Full agreement with your post, but I would give Demon's Souls a 10. I thinink the 9.5 for Uncharted 2 was on spot.
Also I would have given MGS4 an 8.5, I fully understand the story and it fails compaired to all other versions of MGS in the serise before it. And even tho most people hate MGS2: Son's of Liberty because of the descisions Kojima made with how and who to play with during the game, if you can understand what he was trying to do with those changes on Psycological level, you would realize that it is the true gem of the serise (story wise).
IMO MGS4 is a million years away from MGS2 story wise, but any MGS is better than pt4. Kojima begain casualizing the serise and conforming his ideas to what he though people wanted after pt2 there by limiting the greatness of MGS lore as a whole, and even tho MGS3 is still amazing game despite this fact MGS4 felt like something that couldhave been made by the average everyday cheesyvideo gamestory writerswe are use to today.
I understood MGS2- I didn't like it. The message it was putting across wasn't unique and the story was weird and frustrating. MGS4 was about ending the storyline. That's it. It wasn't meant to shock you, make you go 'HOLY ****'. It was there to end Snakes storyline and answer any unanswered questions. It did this flawlessly. The final fight at the was a beautiful finale, and that final conversation after the credits (I think it was after the credits), tied everything together perfectly. I haven't been an MGS fan for long. I played MGS1 last November, MGS2 December, MGS3 last March and MGS4 just a few weeks ago, but this whole series is above and beyond anything released this gen ( bar a couple of rare exceptions). ...I've actually forgotten what i was going to say but I'll end with - I can't wait to play Peace Walker XD.With the highlighted I can confirm that you really didn't understand the story in MGS2.
Don't say you understand MGS2 and then turn around and say it's weird or frustrating...lol there was never a moment where it was either of those to me because :shock: I understood it.
You don't have to like MGS2, but don't try to defend that opinion by saying you understand it when you obviously didn't.
[QUOTE="hard_body79"][QUOTE="clone01"] yes, i did. actually, despite what many have said, that was my least favorite of the series (mgs2 was the best one imo). and yes, i do think it was drawn out. i mean, that last cutscene is just excessive.gaming25
Give this man a metal(Gear Solid).
Gotta give you props for recognizing this, and I also agree with all you comments of MGS4.
It's easy for most people to say MGS3 was the best one, but MGS2 has depth that most people just fail to grasp. MGS4 has no depth and had nothing to "grasp" there was no epicness (MGS3 atleast had that) and was pretty much a straightfoward action games with stelth elements tacked on and a rediclious stroy that was "traying" to make you feel like something amazing and over your head wasgoing on that you just don't understnad so you should be impressed--even if you don't konw why you are being impressed.
MGS2 was the worst one IMO. I cant believe that you would say that MGS2 had more "depth" than MGS4. MGS2 was a watered down version of the MGS series. It was made to be like all of the other games at that time, and try to appeal to as many people as possible. Although MGS2 was good, when you compare it to the other MGS (especiall to MGS3 and 4) it was very cheesy and the story was like a fairy tale.:lol: why because you couldn't play with Snake the entire way thru?
MGS2 was so ahead of it's time in all aspects over other games it's not even funny and you say watered down?
Kojima got so much hate becuse of people not wanting to accept the way kojima wanted to express his own message thru his game that he canablized his vision and MGS4 is the result, you love it but like with Demon's Souls if the devs would have had tried to listin to what people wanted in a game instead of expressing their own vision it would have been ordanary crap as well. MGS2 is a gem because he wasn't trying to please others vision of the game he was expressing his own--MGS4 is the oposite.
[QUOTE="Indie_Hitman"][QUOTE="hard_body79"]
Full agreement with your post, but I would give Demon's Souls a 10. I thinink the 9.5 for Uncharted 2 was on spot.
Also I would have given MGS4 an 8.5, I fully understand the story and it fails compaired to all other versions of MGS in the serise before it. And even tho most people hate MGS2: Son's of Liberty because of the descisions Kojima made with how and who to play with during the game, if you can understand what he was trying to do with those changes on Psycological level, you would realize that it is the true gem of the serise (story wise).
IMO MGS4 is a million years away from MGS2 story wise, but any MGS is better than pt4. Kojima begain casualizing the serise and conforming his ideas to what he though people wanted after pt2 there by limiting the greatness of MGS lore as a whole, and even tho MGS3 is still amazing game despite this fact MGS4 felt like something that couldhave been made by the average everyday cheesyvideo gamestory writerswe are use to today.
I understood MGS2- I didn't like it. The message it was putting across wasn't unique and the story was weird and frustrating. MGS4 was about ending the storyline. That's it. It wasn't meant to shock you, make you go 'HOLY ****'. It was there to end Snakes storyline and answer any unanswered questions. It did this flawlessly. The final fight at the was a beautiful finale, and that final conversation after the credits (I think it was after the credits), tied everything together perfectly. I haven't been an MGS fan for long. I played MGS1 last November, MGS2 December, MGS3 last March and MGS4 just a few weeks ago, but this whole series is above and beyond anything released this gen ( bar a couple of rare exceptions). ...I've actually forgotten what i was going to say but I'll end with - I can't wait to play Peace Walker XD.With the highlighted I can confirm that you really didn't understand the story in MGS2.
Don't say you understand MGS2 and then turn around and say it's weird or frustrating...lol there was never a moment where it was either of those to me because :shock: I understood it.
You don't have to like MGS2, but don't try to defend that opinion by saying you understand it when you obviously didn't.
Sooo I don't understand it because I was frustrated with the story? Although thinking about it, it may have come across wrong. I was frustrated with how the story turned out. As in, I would have written it differently. As in I didn't like the setting, the character, or the 'twists'. As in It was a big disappointment after MGS1. As in, it was overall a big meh. What's getting more frustrating is that if you say to a MGS2 fan that you didn't like it, their first response is: 'You didn't understand', like i'm some dope who's just waddling around in the world.
Yeah....That's kinda of the reason why I read the logs about Metal Gear 1 and 2 on Twin Snakes and Beat Twin Snakes (Gamecube and PS1) and Metal Gear Solid 2 and Metal Gear Solid 3 before I even got Metal Gear Solid 4....Metal Gear is a Story Heavy series.
To understand MGS4 ( one of the very few games that has ever recieved 10/10 here ), you must have understood, all the other Metal Gear games.... I thought MGS4 was so bad for so long, but when you understand the whole story as a big unit, you will come to realise that it is truely the a game deserving of ten, and its also only on ps3 :P
Megaman5364
Captain obvious in the house. Thats why so many people are turned off from the game, because if you didnt play the other games, you feel like your missing something the entire game. I have friends who played the game even though they never played a MGS game in their life and they liked the game, but couldnt understand why the cutscenes were so long or what was going on.
I personally think it deserved the 10, it was one of the best single player experiences i ever had.
[QUOTE="vashkey"]Which is why they've sold millions, have a consistent and loyal fanbase and have earned high scores? Yea. But doesn't change that the Halo story is poorly presented. Which is a pity. Because it has a rich background.[QUOTE="metalgear-solid"]
Story is very important. Which is why games like Halo and GeoW just aren't all that interesting.mgs_freak91
As a Halo fan, this is one of the thing I have to admit. Bungie has the whole Halo universeat the tip of their hands but they only present less then half of that. I really hope they display many parts of the universe in Halo Reach.
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