I have to agree with the bioware hate going on this gen.

This gen cycle hit the company in many negatives spots. I think in many ways, both Square enix and Bioware have had that in common this time around, which is kind of ironic for fanboys on both sides. People love to b*tch about Bioware ruining the Mass Effect games before the gen ended, me included. But looking at the argument from an objective standpoint, it was the right choice to mix a more balanced shooting mechanic to Mass Effect, while leaving other mechanics behind. Those games were always more action shooter oriented than "RPG." It was a very well defined hybrid.

Now try really hard to find an excuse for Dragon age, because as far as I know there's not much. They most definatelly dropped the ball with these games. Not only was origins the highest scoring bioware game on this website during this gen, it was also the "spiritual sucessor" of BG, the games that made bioware what they are today. That's the reason I compared SE to Bioware, as they both share the same stigma now.

The Dragon Age franchise had so much potential it's ridiculous how hard they failed. It's the type of game that Bioware excels the most at. Many people familliar with both Origins and the BG games agree that origins was much streamlined compared to the older cousins, yet it still managed to feel like a great addition (9.5 GS score to back up for it). Nothing in that game was broken to change the direction so sudden. They could have simply improved the system they had in origins, fill the game with more content, keep improving the dark atmosphere and presentation, and find a method to incorporate the PC features and mechanics into consoles as well. We get a bunch of apologetic Bio-drones that take it from every angle no matter what(one in particular from Texas), and they try to spin everything to make Bioware and/or EA in good light. Though being a fan mylelf, I still have faith they can get their act together for the third instalment.

Don't hate the developer. Hate the publisher.

...Unless, of course, the developer is independent, then you can hate them all you want.

You didn't have to buy their games. They don't make games especially for you. There is no reason to "hate" a developer. Toxic-Seahorse

I totally agree. Dragon Age is a joke after starting with so much potential.

Mass Effect is well-liked, but that whole SNAFU with the game ending ruined things for BioWare fast.

The Old Republic was supposed to be the next big thing in MMO games. Turns out, it was Guild Wars 2 and SW:TOR is losing ground fast.

BioWare f*cked up big time this gen. And they started out so strong too, with Mass Effect and DA: Origins. Square-Enix is in a similarly bad position, if not even worse. I like FFXIII, a lot, but the way that game ended and what they did with FFXIII-2, let's just say, it makes no sense and shouldn't exist. But now a third game? Ugh. Just move on. And their failed MMO that they had to reboot in FFXIV.... But Square-Enix had some success with games like The World Ends With You, Chaos Rings series and other handheld/mobile RPGs that helped them for their dismal console showing as of late.

You didn't have to buy their games. They don't make games especially for you. There is no reason to "hate" a developer. Toxic-Seahorse

IT'S REALLY HARD TO HATE A GAME THAT YOU ARE TOLD NOT TO PURCHASE TO PLAY. THANK YOU FOR YOUR WONDERFUL INSIGHT.

Mass Effect was incredible, Mass Effect 2 is among the all time greats. The trilogy is collectively one of the most staggering achievements in games and storytelling. Dragon Age: Origins was wonderful, and might be one of the greatest RPGs ever made. Dragon Age II was awful, and is one of the worst games I personally have had the misfortune of playing. Star Wars: The Old Republic was a disaster, doomed to failure, waiting to happen, and it's Bioware's egocentric stupidity in trying to contest Blizzard that led to that failure. Bioware hate this generation is more a matter of hopping on the bandwagon. I count three great games, one of which is stunningly excellent; two objectively bad games, and one game that, regardless of its narrative failures, still played great. There is also the fact that collectively, the Mass Effect trilogy is unsurpassed. They deserve a lot of the hate they get. The rest of it is just over the top, unfair, uncalled for.charizard1605

ME2 sucked. Poor narative, poor gunplay, poor enemy AI, forced "baditude" on every character. I don't know if ME3 fixes that by, y'know, improving AI and combat, but ME2 was a poor man's shooter and a poorer man's RPG.

I guess ArenaNet's egocentric stupidity to contest with Blizzard led to the failure of... oh no, wait, Guild Wars 2 is one of the most successful MMO's ever made. Cool.

The Witcher surpasses Mass Effect easily. The Witcher 2 surpasses Mass Effect 2, easily. CD Projekt are already leagues ahead of BioWare. Hell, The Witcher 2 surpasses every story-based RPG this gen from any system and from any part of the world. Hyperbole? Nope. Just the truth.

They were never that good to begin with.jg4xchamp

This is also true. KotOR and Jade Empire weren't exactly as fantastic as people say. It seems like most of BioWare's fame is traced back to Baldur's Gate, which really helped shape RPGs. But there's so much better stuff out there from far more competent devs.

I don't mean to keep bringing up The Witcher series, but that games shows how you turn a tactical RPG into an action RPG and make it just as good as the first game, while BioWare seemed to drop the ball entirely on the Dragon Age series by trying the same thing. :/

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Mass Effect was incredible, Mass Effect 2 is among the all time greats. The trilogy is collectively one of the most staggering achievements in games and storytelling. Dragon Age: Origins was wonderful, and might be one of the greatest RPGs ever made. Dragon Age II was awful, and is one of the worst games I personally have had the misfortune of playing. Star Wars: The Old Republic was a disaster, doomed to failure, waiting to happen, and it's Bioware's egocentric stupidity in trying to contest Blizzard that led to that failure. Bioware hate this generation is more a matter of hopping on the bandwagon. I count three great games, one of which is stunningly excellent; two objectively bad games, and one game that, regardless of its narrative failures, still played great. There is also the fact that collectively, the Mass Effect trilogy is unsurpassed. They deserve a lot of the hate they get. The rest of it is just over the top, unfair, uncalled for.NeonNinja

ME2 sucked. Poor narative, poor gunplay, poor enemy AI, forced "baditude" on every character. I don't know if ME3 fixes that by, y'know, improving AI and combat, but ME2 was a poor man's shooter and a poorer man's RPG.

I guess ArenaNet's egocentric stupidity to contest with Blizzard led to the failure of... oh no, wait, Guild Wars 2 is one of the most successful MMO's ever made. Cool.

The Witcher surpasses Mass Effect easily. The Witcher 2 surpasses Mass Effect 2, easily. CD Projekt are already leagues ahead of BioWare. Hell, The Witcher 2 surpasses every story-based RPG this gen from any system and from any part of the world. Hyperbole? Nope. Just the truth.

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]They were never that good to begin with.NeonNinja

This is also true. KotOR and Jade Empire weren't exactly as fantastic as people say. It seems like most of BioWare's fame is traced back to Baldur's Gate, which really helped shape RPGs. But there's so much better stuff out there from far more competent devs.

I don't mean to keep bringing up The Witcher series, but that games shows how you turn a tactical RPG into an action RPG and make it just as good as the first game, while BioWare seemed to drop the ball entirely on the Dragon Age series by trying the same thing. :/

They were never that good to begin with.jg4xchamp

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]They were never that good to begin with.jg4xchamp

This is also true. KotOR and Jade Empire weren't exactly as fantastic as people say. It seems like most of BioWare's fame is traced back to Baldur's Gate, which really helped shape RPGs. But there's so much better stuff out there from far more competent devs.

I don't mean to keep bringing up The Witcher series, but that games shows how you turn a tactical RPG into an action RPG and make it just as good as the first game, while BioWare seemed to drop the ball entirely on the Dragon Age series by trying the same thing. :/

You didn't have to buy their games. They don't make games especially for you. There is no reason to "hate" a developer. Toxic-Seahorse

You have to really be a f*cking moron to say something like that. Because if he didn't buy those games you'd say he would have no ground to criticize their games with. Good job.

ME2's main plot was a poorly written mess full of plotholes and stupid characters, that's pretty much a fact.

But everything else is indeed subjective, and thankfully ME3 did improve on the narrative, gameplay and overall tone significantly. Apart from the ending of course.

Stringerboy

Tone? God no. ME3 was depressing.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Mass Effect was incredible, Mass Effect 2 is among the all time greats. The trilogy is collectively one of the most staggering achievements in games and storytelling. Dragon Age: Origins was wonderful, and might be one of the greatest RPGs ever made. Dragon Age II was awful, and is one of the worst games I personally have had the misfortune of playing. Star Wars: The Old Republic was a disaster, doomed to failure, waiting to happen, and it's Bioware's egocentric stupidity in trying to contest Blizzard that led to that failure. Bioware hate this generation is more a matter of hopping on the bandwagon. I count three great games, one of which is stunningly excellent; two objectively bad games, and one game that, regardless of its narrative failures, still played great. There is also the fact that collectively, the Mass Effect trilogy is unsurpassed. They deserve a lot of the hate they get. The rest of it is just over the top, unfair, uncalled for.NeonNinja

ME2 sucked. Poor narative, poor gunplay, poor enemy AI, forced "baditude" on every character. I don't know if ME3 fixes that by, y'know, improving AI and combat, but ME2 was a poor man's shooter and a poorer man's RPG.

100% agree. bioware are one of the most overrated devs this gen.

me2 was one a huge disappointment when it could have built on all the potential of the first ME game (rough around the edges but still great) and been something special.

everything that made the first game a success - epic story, pacing, great characters, rpg elements etc was discarded in favour of this dull, long winded recruitment drive peppered with predictable action sequences and not much else.

if they're going to make the game more action based then at least give it comparable shooting mechanics to some of the best tps from the gen instead of that lightweight nonsense

I see no reason to hate.

ME2 sucked. Poor narative, poor gunplay, poor enemy AI, forced "baditude" on every character. I don't know if ME3 fixes that by, y'know, improving AI and combat, but ME2 was a poor man's shooter and a poorer man's RPG.

I guess ArenaNet's egocentric stupidity to contest with Blizzard led to the failure of... oh no, wait, Guild Wars 2 is one of the most successful MMO's ever made. Cool.

The Witcher surpasses Mass Effect easily. The Witcher 2 surpasses Mass Effect 2, easily. CD Projekt are already leagues ahead of BioWare. Hell, The Witcher 2 surpasses every story-based RPG this gen from any system and from any part of the world. Hyperbole? Nope. Just the truth.

NeonNinja

you really were fishing for responses with that one. I can't resist either. ME2 was a great story. Why? Because it was simple. So many video game stories get lost in complexity when for video games, less is always more.

PLOT OF MASS EFFECT 2 (Spoilers): There is a massive threat on the other side of a murderous mine field that is impossible to traverse but is available right from the start of the game (the Omega 4 relay). The massive threat invovles a group called the Collectors who are wiping out human colonies and abducting/ transforming humans (a plot which is both mysterious, menacing, and given a satisfying conclusion at the end). The whole game involves doing what amounts to side missions in order to strengthen yourself up to the point where your ship and your team can handle thes seemingly impossible threat on the other side of the Omega 4 relay that have killed anyone who went through other than Reapers(structure similar to Majora's Mask actually).

It was really neat how this invovled reaching out to strong fighters accross the entire galaxy, and doing missions for them to earn their loyalty . I don't see the forced "badititude" you speak of. There were many characters with a chip on their shoulder, that acted badass as a defense mechanism but there were equal amounts of more subtle characters like the Illusive Man, Grunt, Kaiden, Garrus, etc.. I found them believable, especially compared to other video games out there. I also liked how the motives of the pro-human faction are unclear, all while they were the ones who resurrected Shepard in the first place. I like that the set up villain as the Harbinger can take control of troops in the field, which melds narrative and gameplay in a seemless way and again, was entirely believable and menacing. Finally, the final mission is really great as it is the definition of meaningful gameplay choices as all your work in the rest of the game has a genuine impact on the outcome, and your decisions during the mission have huge impact as well. In short, you are WAY off buddy. This is one of best narrative structures in a game ever. A great mix of a sense of menace, a sense of mystery, a sense of agency, and a sense of progress all melded perfectly with gameplay.

As for AI, sure it's not that great but it's not awful either. The game is built more around set design than AI anyway, and the set design is very well done. The gunplay is also not all that great but also not the focus of the game, which went with more of a mixed bag, RPG accumulation of abilities system that's meant to be played around with moreso than stand up as a strong shooter or a strong RPG. I did finish the game thinking the gameplay was not as great as it could have been but still good.

I get that you prefer the Witcher 2, but that doesn't mean that ME2 is bad. It's not like you have to choose one or the other so I don't know why you would have such strong feelings about it actually.

Is Dragon Age 2 that bad?? I really enjoyed Origins and was planning to buy 2 soon...

Anyone who proclaims that DA2 was "horrible" or "awful" is no better than a teenage girl that got broken up with for the first time. They are overreacting. It wasn't horrible. It wasn't badly designed. It had its downsides sure, but they were not objectively game breaking. It simply wasn't the game you wanted. It wasn't the direction you wanted. That doesn't make it a bad game, you drama queens.

bioware released what probably is the best gaming trilogy ever(mass effect) and the first dragon age game was amazing. the only problem i had with dragon age 2 was the recycled dungeons and there was no sense of exploration. the change in art style was fine and the combat can be awesome with some tweaks. im confident they learned their lesson and wont repeat it in dragon age 3. what other company is willing to change the ending of their games because fans whined and b****ed about it so much?mems_1224

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]Mass Effect was incredible, Mass Effect 2 is among the all time greats. The trilogy is collectively one of the most staggering achievements in games and storytelling. Dragon Age: Origins was wonderful, and might be one of the greatest RPGs ever made. Dragon Age II was awful, and is one of the worst games I personally have had the misfortune of playing. Star Wars: The Old Republic was a disaster, doomed to failure, waiting to happen, and it's Bioware's egocentric stupidity in trying to contest Blizzard that led to that failure. Bioware hate this generation is more a matter of hopping on the bandwagon. I count three great games, one of which is stunningly excellent; two objectively bad games, and one game that, regardless of its narrative failures, still played great. There is also the fact that collectively, the Mass Effect trilogy is unsurpassed. They deserve a lot of the hate they get. The rest of it is just over the top, unfair, uncalled for.charizard1605

ME2 sucked. Poor narative, poor gunplay, poor enemy AI, forced "baditude" on every character. I don't know if ME3 fixes that by, y'know, improving AI and combat, but ME2 was a poor man's shooter and a poorer man's RPG.

I guess ArenaNet's egocentric stupidity to contest with Blizzard led to the failure of... oh no, wait, Guild Wars 2 is one of the most successful MMO's ever made. Cool.

The Witcher surpasses Mass Effect easily. The Witcher 2 surpasses Mass Effect 2, easily. CD Projekt are already leagues ahead of BioWare. Hell, The Witcher 2 surpasses every story-based RPG this gen from any system and from any part of the world. Hyperbole? Nope. Just the truth.

Going through these one by one:

No, the things I listed in ME2 are factually bad. The AI, the gunplay, the narrative. They suck. You can make a case for the "baditude" being cool. You can say the writing is good. But combat and narrative stink.

I brought in ArenaNet because someone released the next big thing. I'm not going to spruce up what it is and isn't. Guild Wars 2 is an MMO, it is in direct competition with WoW. There's no such thing as "co-existing" even if frou-frou people seem to think of it. The Old Republic, World of Warcraft and Guild Wars 2 are all in competition. I bring it up because someone successfully challenged WoW.

Have you played the first Witcher? Because it's absolutely amazing and one of the finest RPGs of this entire generation. It is the equal to The Witcher 2 for doing what it does so successfully. The Mass Effect trilogy is already behind CD Projekt's unfinished series.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

ME2 sucked. Poor narative, poor gunplay, poor enemy AI, forced "baditude" on every character. I don't know if ME3 fixes that by, y'know, improving AI and combat, but ME2 was a poor man's shooter and a poorer man's RPG.

I guess ArenaNet's egocentric stupidity to contest with Blizzard led to the failure of... oh no, wait, Guild Wars 2 is one of the most successful MMO's ever made. Cool.

The Witcher surpasses Mass Effect easily. The Witcher 2 surpasses Mass Effect 2, easily. CD Projekt are already leagues ahead of BioWare. Hell, The Witcher 2 surpasses every story-based RPG this gen from any system and from any part of the world. Hyperbole? Nope. Just the truth.

NeonNinja

Going through these one by one:

No, the things I listed in ME2 are factually bad. The AI, the gunplay, the narrative. They suck. You can make a case for the "baditude" being cool. You can say the writing is good. But combat and narrative s presnting your opinion as fact in no ibjcive way istink.

I brought in ArenaNet because someone released the next big thing. I'm not going to spruce up what it is and isn't. Guild Wars 2 is an MMO, it is in direct competition with WoW. There's no such thing as "co-existing" even if frou-frou people seem to think of it. The Old Republic, World of Warcraft and Guild Wars 2 are all in competition. I bring it up because someone successfully challenged WoW.

Have you played the first Witcher? Because it's absolutely amazing and one of the finest RPGs of this entire generation. It is the equal to The Witcher 2 for doing what it does so successfully. The Mass Effect trilogy is already behind CD Projekt's unfinished series.

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]They were never that good to begin with.jg4xchamp

This is also true. KotOR and Jade Empire weren't exactly as fantastic as people say. It seems like most of BioWare's fame is traced back to Baldur's Gate, which really helped shape RPGs. But there's so much better stuff out there from far more competent devs.

I don't mean to keep bringing up The Witcher series, but that games shows how you turn a tactical RPG into an action RPG and make it just as good as the first game, while BioWare seemed to drop the ball entirely on the Dragon Age series by trying the same thing. :/

The Witcher's combat with two blades and three fighting styIes was extremely well thought out and really fun. But as with most RPGs, it did have its fair share of fetch-quests. But I enjoyed the tactical combat and sharp narrative. The writing was long-winded enough, but I looked over it since it was the first work of a Polish development team.

I do agree that ME1 doesn't play that well, because I tried doing a replay and was extremely disappointed by how decision-making played out and so with the interesting story gone, it just played kinda really clunky. ME2 fixed that, but it was a poor shooter still and provided a less compelling world than before.

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

ME2 sucked. Poor narative, poor gunplay, poor enemy AI, forced "baditude" on every character. I don't know if ME3 fixes that by, y'know, improving AI and combat, but ME2 was a poor man's shooter and a poorer man's RPG.

I guess ArenaNet's egocentric stupidity to contest with Blizzard led to the failure of... oh no, wait, Guild Wars 2 is one of the most successful MMO's ever made. Cool.

The Witcher surpasses Mass Effect easily. The Witcher 2 surpasses Mass Effect 2, easily. CD Projekt are already leagues ahead of BioWare. Hell, The Witcher 2 surpasses every story-based RPG this gen from any system and from any part of the world. Hyperbole? Nope. Just the truth.

GunSmith1_basic

you really were fishing for responses with that one. I can't resist either. ME2 was a great story. Why? Because it was simple. So many video game stories get lost in complexity when for video games, less is always more.

PLOT OF MASS EFFECT 2 (Spoilers): There is a massive threat on the other side of a murderous mine field that is impossible to traverse but is available right from the start of the game (the Omega 4 relay). The massive threat invovles a group called the Collectors who are wiping out human colonies and abducting/ transforming humans (a plot which is both mysterious, menacing, and given a satisfying conclusion at the end). The whole game involves doing what amounts to side missions in order to strengthen yourself up to the point where your ship and your team can handle thes seemingly impossible threat on the other side of the Omega 4 relay that have killed anyone who went through other than Reapers(structure similar to Majora's Mask actually).

It was really neat how this invovled reaching out to strong fighters accross the entire galaxy, and doing missions for them to earn their loyalty . I don't see the forced "badititude" you speak of. There were many characters with a chip on their shoulder, that acted badass as a defense mechanism but there were equal amounts of more subtle characters like the Illusive Man, Grunt, Kaiden, Garrus, etc.. I found them believable, especially compared to other video games out there. I also liked how the motives of the pro-human faction are unclear, all while they were the ones who resurrected Shepard in the first place. I like that the set up villain as the Harbinger can take control of troops in the field, which melds narrative and gameplay in a seemless way and again, was entirely believable and menacing. Finally, the final mission is really great as it is the definition of meaningful gameplay choices as all your work in the rest of the game has a genuine impact on the outcome, and your decisions during the mission have huge impact as well. In short, you are WAY off buddy. This is one of best narrative structures in a game ever. A great mix of a sense of menace, a sense of mystery, a sense of agency, and a sense of progress all melded perfectly with gameplay.

As for AI, sure it's not that great but it's not awful either. The game is built more around set design than AI anyway, and the set design is very well done. The gunplay is also not all that great but also not the focus of the game, which went with more of a mixed bag, RPG accumulation of abilities system that's meant to be played around with moreso than stand up as a strong shooter or a strong RPG. I did finish the game thinking the gameplay was not as great as it could have been but still good.

I get that you prefer the Witcher 2, but that doesn't mean that ME2 is bad. It's not like you have to choose one or the other so I don't know why you would have such strong feelings about it actually.

Stopped reading there. You liked ME2. Good for you.

overrated Devs

[QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Addressing these one by one: * Mass Effect 2 did not suck. Pretty much everything that you stated was bad about it is your opinion, nothing more, nothing less. More power to you fornot liking it, that does not make the game objectively bad * Okay? :? Where does ArenaNet even come into the discussion? Why bring up Guild Wars 2 at all? I was saying Bioware was stupid to take on WoW by essentially taking the game as it is and slapping a Star Wars skin onto it. That was their egocentric stupidity in challenging WoW. ArenaNet actually made a compelling alternative to WoW, and that's why GW2 was successful. But why bring it up? What's the point? * No, no it does not. The Witcher 2, yes. The Witcher 2 as a singular RPG is probably better than any single Bioware game this gen, but collectively, and note the word collectively this time, the Mass Effect Trilogy is unsurpassed.charizard1605

Going through these one by one:

No, the things I listed in ME2 are factually bad. The AI, the gunplay, the narrative. They suck. You can make a case for the "baditude" being cool. You can say the writing is good. But combat and narrative s presnting your opinion as fact in no ibjcive way istink.

I brought in ArenaNet because someone released the next big thing. I'm not going to spruce up what it is and isn't. Guild Wars 2 is an MMO, it is in direct competition with WoW. There's no such thing as "co-existing" even if frou-frou people seem to think of it. The Old Republic, World of Warcraft and Guild Wars 2 are all in competition. I bring it up because someone successfully challenged WoW.

Have you played the first Witcher? Because it's absolutely amazing and one of the finest RPGs of this entire generation. It is the equal to The Witcher 2 for doing what it does so successfully. The Mass Effect trilogy is already behind CD Projekt's unfinished series.

Have you played The Witcher? Not just The Witcher 2, but both games? If so you can tell me it's laughable. If not, you should stop there, because thus far you have not answered that question.

I agree with you that The Old Republic failed. But the point I focused on was where you mentioned BioWare's "stubbornness" or something like that for challenging WoW. I'm telling you, someone else challenged WoW and have earned, at the very least, critical success. It's never bad to challenge the king. Succeed or fail, you shot for the top.

Yes, I think Mass Effect 2 was bad. It has sh*tty AI that is scripted from beginning to end to do the same thing each and every time. It has infinitely respawning enemies until you push forward. It has CoD-like design in its combat and level flow. It is not a well-designed shooter in the least.

Yes, I only liked four games, they were Perfect Dark Zero, Too Human, Lair and Wii Music. Everything else released this gen was crap. :roll:

Me? texasgoldrush? No.

overrated Devs

topgeareasy

Not before me3/da2/tor.

[QUOTE="topgeareasy"]

overrated Devs

halogreatest

Not before me3/da2/tor.

funny, i just started my insanity run through all of ME3 after a long hiatus so i could experience the game fresh again and it is the single best game of this generation.... Bioware is an amazing dev... def not the same as they were when they were independant, but amazing.

I actually feel sorry for bioware what with all the unnecessary hate for ME3.

It's because they transformed from a PC developer to a console developer. Their games got streamlined simplified.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="NeonNinja"]

Going through these one by one:

No, the things I listed in ME2 are factually bad. The AI, the gunplay, the narrative. They suck. You can make a case for the "baditude" being cool. You can say the writing is good. But combat and narrative s presnting your opinion as fact in no ibjcive way istink.

I brought in ArenaNet because someone released the next big thing. I'm not going to spruce up what it is and isn't. Guild Wars 2 is an MMO, it is in direct competition with WoW. There's no such thing as "co-existing" even if frou-frou people seem to think of it. The Old Republic, World of Warcraft and Guild Wars 2 are all in competition. I bring it up because someone successfully challenged WoW.

Have you played the first Witcher? Because it's absolutely amazing and one of the finest RPGs of this entire generation. It is the equal to The Witcher 2 for doing what it does so successfully. The Mass Effect trilogy is already behind CD Projekt's unfinished series.

NeonNinja

Have you played The Witcher? Not just The Witcher 2, but both games? If so you can tell me it's laughable. If not, you should stop there, because thus far you have not answered that question.

I agree with you that The Old Republic failed. But the point I focused on was where you mentioned BioWare's "stubbornness" or something like that for challenging WoW. I'm telling you, someone else challenged WoW and have earned, at the very least, critical success. It's never bad to challenge the king. Succeed or fail, you shot for the top.

Yes, I think Mass Effect 2 was bad. It has sh*tty AI that is scripted from beginning to end to do the same thing each and every time. It has infinitely respawning enemies until you push forward. It has CoD-like design in its combat and level flow. It is not a well-designed shooter in the least.

Yes, I only liked four games, they were Perfect Dark Zero, Too Human, Lair and Wii Music. Everything else released this gen was crap. :roll:

Me? texasgoldrush? No.

It's because they transformed from a PC developer to a console developer. Their games got streamlined simplified.

AntiType

Bioware has been crap ever since that commercial fanfic known as KOTOR.

As for this gen: ME(diocre) was garbage with its awful dialogue system, poor shooting mechanics and copy paste level design. ME(diocre 2) has even weaker roleplaying elements but slightly better shooting elements, still a complete bore and the whole game felt like filler, being an errand boy for the entire game aiding companions I couldnt care less about. ME(diocre) 3 I never played.

Dragon Age Origins is like WoW, but without the stuff that makes WoW good, and the fact that it is a SP RPG. DAO was also one of the most repetitive games I have ever played. Never touched DA2 considering DAO is one of the worst games I have ever played.

In SWTOR they at least got the IA story right, too bad the rest of the game was a mess.