I hope the fans don't kill Fallout 3

It's great you love the game. But don't over estimate the power of your numbers. Just like so many things in SW people confuse the vocal minority with the majority.

I even agree they should change the name but the series has long been dead. Much ado about nothing here.

Coyo7e

You are right, the series has long been dead, it died when the company that made the Fallout games closed down.

But then Bethesda dug up its grave, raised it as some deformed zombie and dressed it up to appeal to a modern audience. How are people supposed to accept the series is dead and let the memory rest when it is walking the streets at night giggling like some Bevis and Butthead character?

Fans cannot help but take notice when all this is going on.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Coyo7e"]Which is fine as they now own the IP. It sucks for fans fo the original Fallout games but at the same time it is a series that had been dead and gone for a long, long time. It has been over a decade now since Fallout 2 came out? I feel for the fans but at the same time this it is hard to see where someone is coming from with a game from another era of gaming. This is not Fallout, we all know it, enough said.Coyo7e

It is not that I don't agree with your basic argument but come on, malicious? There is nothing malicious about what they have done and that is just absurd to suggest that it is.

Like I said, I think it sucks for fans, but when they say stuff like "malicious" and take it personally it becomes hard to sympathize.

It's not malicious, it's just underhanded. But that's Bethesda, what can you do? They love screwing over established audiences for big bucks.

Welcome to gaming. I loved Bioware, now part of EA, I feel screwed over on that one. Even though they say nothing will change who believes them?

Capcom is putting Dead Rising on the Wii with downgrades, that sucks. I hope it does not effect DR 2.

I mean, we are the fans, these are not our games. They make business decisions and pissing off us, the vocal minority is not malicious it's just business. You don't make your money back on good intentions.

How has BioWare or Capcom screwed over their established audiences? Maybe if BioWare screws up Dragon Age and Capcom cancels RE5 to make RE:UC2 for the Wii, but they aren't doing that.

Bethesda knowingly misleads audiences into believing one thing, capturing a strong and fervent core, which they use to perpetuate rumors of quality into the general market. Then, when those rumors take root in the general public, they turn it around, screw over their core, and appeal to the masses. That's been their MO at least since Morrowind.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Coyo7e"]Which is fine as they now own the IP. It sucks for fans fo the original Fallout games but at the same time it is a series that had been dead and gone for a long, long time. It has been over a decade now since Fallout 2 came out? I feel for the fans but at the same time this it is hard to see where someone is coming from with a game from another era of gaming. This is not Fallout, we all know it, enough said.mjarantilla

It is not that I don't agree with your basic argument but come on, malicious? There is nothing malicious about what they have done and that is just absurd to suggest that it is.

Like I said, I think it sucks for fans, but when they say stuff like "malicious" and take it personally it becomes hard to sympathize.

It's not malicious, it's just underhanded. But that's Bethesda, what can you do? They love screwing over established audiences for big bucks.

Welcome to gaming. I loved Bioware, now part of EA, I feel screwed over on that one. Even though they say nothing will change who believes them?

Capcom is putting Dead Rising on the Wii with downgrades, that sucks. I hope it does not effect DR 2.

I mean, we are the fans, these are not our games. They make business decisions and pissing off us, the vocal minority is not malicious it's just business. You don't make your money back on good intentions.

How has BioWare or Capcom screwed over their established audiences? Maybe if BioWare screws up Dragon Age and Capcom cancels RE5 to make RE:UC2 for the Wii, but they aren't doing that.

Bethesda knowinglymisleads audiences into believing one thing, capturing a strong and fervent core, which they use to perpetuate rumors of quality into the general market. Then, when those rumors take root in the general public, they turn it around, screw over their core, and appeal to the masses. That's been their MO at least since Morrowind.

You don't even bother to try and see whats going on around you unless it directly relates to you, so whats the point.

If you got led around by the nose that is more your problem then Bethesda's. They owe you nothing. Maybe by the next time this happens you will have learned your lesson. I get pissed off as well when this kind of things happens to games I love but you taking it personally is just sad. I am willing to cut fans slack to a certain degree because I say absurd crap when it happens to me, for a little bit, then I cool off and get a grip on reality. It is time you do the same.Here comes the post where you take an absurd point, claim it as fact, and tell everyone you won.Coyo7e

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It's great you love the game. But don't over estimate the power of your numbers. Just like so many things in SW people confuse the vocal minority with the majority.

I even agree they should change the name but the series has long been dead. Much ado about nothing here.

AnnoyedDragon

You are right, the series has long been dead, it died when the company that made the Fallout games closed down.

But then Bethesda dug up its grave, raised it as some deformed zombie and dressed it up to appeal to a modern audience. How are people supposed to accept the series is dead and let the memory rest when it is walking the streets at night giggling like some Bevis and Butthead character?

Fans cannot help but take notice when all this is going on.

The way you state it is very reasonable. Ya, take notice I agree. But most do two things that are annoying. They take it personally, they then insult people who don't agree with them.

This is most often Hermits (not PC gamers I am one). Playing by different rules that suit their situation and thinking their **** does not stink.

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"]If you got led around by the nose that is more your problem then Bethesda's. They owe you nothing. Maybe by the next time this happens you will have learned your lesson. I get pissed off as well when this kind of things happens to games I love but you taking it personally is just sad. I am willing to cut fans slack to a certain degree because I say absurd crap when it happens to me, for a little bit, then I cool off and get a grip on reality. It is time you do the same.Here comes the post where you take an absurd point, claim it as fact, and tell everyone you won.Vandalvideo

Yes, I said "LAWL YOU BELIEVED THEM" that is exactly what I said. Seriously, if you twist the meaning of what I say I am not surprised how you twist the meaning of what Bethesda has said.

News flash, the world does not revolve around you. They were not using you, they did not deliberately mislead you, nor are they sitting around laughing maniacally at your discontent.

What is sad is that some seem to think that their opinion is so important Bethesda created a plan to seduce it, if only for a short time, because they thought they needed it.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Coyo7e"]

Welcome to gaming. I loved Bioware, now part of EA, I feel screwed over on that one. Even though they say nothing will change who believes them?

Capcom is putting Dead Rising on the Wii with downgrades, that sucks. I hope it does not effect DR 2.

I mean, we are the fans, these are not our games. They make business decisions and pissing off us, the vocal minority is not malicious it's just business. You don't make your money back on good intentions.

Coyo7e

How has BioWare or Capcom screwed over their established audiences? Maybe if BioWare screws up Dragon Age and Capcom cancels RE5 to make RE:UC2 for the Wii, but they aren't doing that.

Bethesda knowinglymisleads audiences into believing one thing, capturing a strong and fervent core, which they use to perpetuate rumors of quality into the general market. Then, when those rumors take root in the general public, they turn it around, screw over their core, and appeal to the masses. That's been their MO at least since Morrowind.

You don't even bother to try and see whats going on around you unless it directly relates to you, so whats the point.

You didn't answer the question. How is BioWare or Capcom screwing over established audiences the way Bethesda has been? Just because BioWare was bought out, and Capcom put Dead Rising on the Wii? How does either move directly "betray" fans of old BioWare games, or fans of Dead Rising? How does that even compare to Bethesda promising one type of game, then delivering a completely different type of game?

Then they should have named it something different; in the same way Bioshock was based on System Shock but it doesn't claim to be its sequel. Bethesda could have avoided a lot of issues with the original fanbase by doing this, but they chose not to.

AnnoyedDragon

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Then they should have named it something different; in the same way Bioshock was based on System Shock but it doesn't claim to be its sequel. Bethesda could have avoided a lot of issues with the original fanbase by doing this, but they chose not to.

lowe0

So instead they change the whole game to piss off a bunch of people who would buy the game?

What is sad is that some seem to think that their opinion is so important Bethesda created a plan to seduce it, if only for a short time, because they thought they needed it.Coyo7e

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"]

It's great you love the game. But don't over estimate the power of your numbers. Just like so many things in SW people confuse the vocal minority with the majority.

I even agree they should change the name but the series has long been dead. Much ado about nothing here.

AnnoyedDragon

You are right, the series has long been dead, it died when the company that made the Fallout games closed down.

But then Bethesda dug up its grave, raised it as some deformed zombie and dressed it up to appeal to a modern audience. How are people supposed to accept the series is dead and let the memory rest when it is walking the streets at night giggling like some Bevis and Butthead character?

Fans cannot help but take notice when all this is going on.

What he said ^ I just wish Bethesda would rename it sumthing like "Elder Scrolls: Future Earth" or sumthing and leave a Fallout sequel to people who've actually played the game.

Fallout 3 just has the fallout name....Fallout 3 is like FF:CC to the fallout seriesAdonymous

No Fallout fan is afraid of change. Change is always good. But all they ask and all I ask if for the change to be done properly. Make a next gen Fallout game with reworked gameplay elements but make sure it stays true to the original Fallout games at the same time. But it's not the case here. If this game just didn't have the name Fallout on it, then no one would really complain.

Look at Valve and what they did with Team Fortress. With TF2 the game was both entirely different from the original and stayed true to the original at the exact same time. The same could've been done with Fallout 3, but Bethesda had different plans.

Why would they go to the trouble of changing the title just to please a bunch of people who would never buy the game? lowe0

Going through the trouble? It's a name, a word or two, it is hardly going to impact the games development to change what it is called. Besides if you are asking that you completely missed the point.

Fans are angry because they are trying to pass off a totally alien to the franchise game as being part of the franchise, a sequel that has little in common with its predecessor. If they changed the name and said it was inspired by/based on/a spiritual successor to Fallout then it could acquire the interest of both old Fallout fans and the new audience without being compared with Fallout.

Because it is called Fallout 3 there will never be a Fallout 3 that stays true to the franchise, something as simple as a name change would allow the possibility for a Fallout 3 to be created one day. At the same time they can make the sort of game they want, containing elements and themes from the franchise, without criticism because it doesn't have to be just like Fallout if it is simply based on Fallout.

Don't like something? Well it is not Fallout, yet since it is inspired by Fallout there may be enough in there to attract the interest of fans. Old fans get to try a game containing the settings and themes of their beloved classic, new fans get to enjoy modernised game play, everybody wins and it only took changing a word or two.

But Bethesda didn't, they called it Fallout 3, which means it gets compared to previous Fallout games and fans are in a uproar over how much it has changed.