i need to pay to download DMC4!? WTH M$

[QUOTE="Udsen"]I can't even download the demo on XBL. Yay for being 16 >.>goddamn_

If you download the demo you will immediately get into rampage and start killing everybody on the street with chainsaw and shotgun. Jack Tompson said so

So basically, if I did want to download it on XBL, I'd have to pay at least 8 dollars for a month subscription on a new account.

Lame deal, MS.

[QUOTE="goddamn_"]

[QUOTE="Udsen"]I can't even download the demo on XBL. Yay for being 16 >.>Udsen

If you download the demo you will immediately get into rampage and start killing everybody on the street with chainsaw and shotgun. Jack Tompson said so

So basically, if I did want to download it on XBL, I'd have to pay at least 8 dollars for a month subscription on a new account.

Lame deal, MS.

[QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="cosmostein77"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

Welcome to the Microsoft way of doing business on a console.

Essentially - you've already bought an Xbox 360, so they're going to nickle-and-dime you at every turn, because paying $50 here-and-there is still "cheaper" than buying a new system.

cosmostein77

I spent about the same amount downloading pay demos over PSN (GT) that I did on Live in 2007,

Congratulations on perpetuating a bad trend?

More like pointing out a reality,

You made the comment "welcome to the way of Microsoft doing business on a console" which is fairly incorrect.

It seems to be a common tread among all three console manufacturers this generation to have an "e-wallet" or "points" to make purchases online.

Its hardly a Microsoft only issue,

I'm not talking about microtransactions, I'm talking about Microsoft removing functionality from Xbox LIVE silver to force people who own the system to subscribe to gold accounts. They're removing a function (get demos at the same time as gold members) that existed when you bought the console, in order to make you pay them additional funds.

[QUOTE="Udsen"][QUOTE="goddamn_"]

[QUOTE="Udsen"]I can't even download the demo on XBL. Yay for being 16 >.>Huff

If you download the demo you will immediately get into rampage and start killing everybody on the street with chainsaw and shotgun. Jack Tompson said so

So basically, if I did want to download it on XBL, I'd have to pay at least 8 dollars for a month subscription on a new account.

Lame deal, MS.

/Sigh.

Don't make me violate ToS.

I have gold, I can't download it because I'm 16. Even my friend who's 17 can't DL it. (M rated games are 17+, FAIL MS)

[QUOTE="Huff"][QUOTE="Udsen"][QUOTE="goddamn_"]

[QUOTE="Udsen"]I can't even download the demo on XBL. Yay for being 16 >.>Udsen

If you download the demo you will immediately get into rampage and start killing everybody on the street with chainsaw and shotgun. Jack Tompson said so

So basically, if I did want to download it on XBL, I'd have to pay at least 8 dollars for a month subscription on a new account.

Lame deal, MS.

/Sigh.

Don't make me violate ToS.

I have gold, I can't download it because I'm 16. Even my friend who's 17 can't DL it. (M rated games are 17+, FAIL MS)

maybe you could have your mom send them like a permission slip or something...:P

/Sigh.

Don't make me violate ToS.

I have gold, I can't download it because I'm 16. Even my friend who's 17 can't DL it. (M rated games are 17+, FAIL MS)

Udsen

You cant be serious. They're preventing minors playing games rated M? And that's FAIL microsoft? :? Maybe you should have had the forsight to say you were older when you set up your 360? Or maybe you should simply accept the law and that you cannot play these games because you are under the age the developers think is suitable for people to play it?

[QUOTE="cosmostein77"][QUOTE="subrosian"][QUOTE="cosmostein77"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

Welcome to the Microsoft way of doing business on a console.

Essentially - you've already bought an Xbox 360, so they're going to nickle-and-dime you at every turn, because paying $50 here-and-there is still "cheaper" than buying a new system.

subrosian

I spent about the same amount downloading pay demos over PSN (GT) that I did on Live in 2007,

Congratulations on perpetuating a bad trend?

More like pointing out a reality,

You made the comment "welcome to the way of Microsoft doing business on a console" which is fairly incorrect.

It seems to be a common tread among all three console manufacturers this generation to have an "e-wallet" or "points" to make purchases online.

Its hardly a Microsoft only issue,

I'm not talking about microtransactions, I'm talking about Microsoft removing functionality from Xbox LIVE silver to force people who own the system to subscribe to gold accounts. They're removing a function (get demos at the same time as gold members) that existed when you bought the console, in order to make you pay them additional funds.

If you can't wait one week for a demo, then you have problems. Wait a minute, if you can't afford $50 a year for Live, you have problems and should get a job! Sorry, I'm frustrated today.

[QUOTE="Udsen"]

/Sigh.

Don't make me violate ToS.

I have gold, I can't download it because I'm 16. Even my friend who's 17 can't DL it. (M rated games are 17+, FAIL MS)

Ninja-Vox

You cant be serious. They're preventing minors playing games rated M? And that's FAIL microsoft? :? Maybe you should have had the forsight to say you were older when you set up your 360? Or maybe you should simply accept the law and that you cannot play these games because you are under the age the developers think is suitable for people to play it?

You fail at reading comprehension.

It's fine that they prevent me from DLing, it's up to them. It's a fail when my friend is 17, calls MS and complains and they say "they don't know why it's like that".

As far as I'm concerned, a game demo is something whose value decreases tremendously within the first few days it's available. By the time a week has gone by, the demo is worth nothing. Therefore from my perspective, isn't giving me anything unless I bend over and pay for Gold.

I'm not talking about microtransactions, I'm talking about Microsoft removing functionality from Xbox LIVE silver to force people who own the system to subscribe to gold accounts. They're removing a function (get demos at the same time as gold members) that existed when you bought the console, in order to make you pay them additional funds.

subrosian

That's just so wrong i dont even know where to start.

It's really very simple; they offer a service for FREE and a service you PAY FOR. The GOLD members must get some perks over the free accounts; otherwise you're literally paying money just to pay online. That's rubbish. There has to be some sort of feature-set for gold users.

And when popular demos come out; that's one of them. Gold members are allowed to download them first. Users who are using the service for free can then download them. Basically, if you're paying, you should have priority downloading popular demos, rather than letting everyone pile in, causing slow downloads.

If you honestly think that's unjust, i dont know what to say to you. They're not taking anything away from you. They're simply giving priority to their paid subscribers, and rightfully so.

The day they dont let you download demos full stop is the day you may whine about it.

[QUOTE="goddamn_"]

[QUOTE="Udsen"]I can't even download the demo on XBL. Yay for being 16 >.>Udsen

If you download the demo you will immediately get into rampage and start killing everybody on the street with chainsaw and shotgun. Jack Tompson said so

So basically, if I did want to download it on XBL, I'd have to pay at least 8 dollars for a month subscription on a new account.

Lame deal, MS.

Or just wait five days 'til silver users can download it. If you're under-age, that's your problem. You cant blame microsoft for not allowing minors to download mature rated games. Come on.

[QUOTE="CytrusNatural"][QUOTE="MrPostman4Chi"][QUOTE="CytrusNatural"]

i got a ps3 and 360... and i thought well ill just DL it on 360 because PS3 wont have it until later today

so i try to download it and it says i need to be a gold member? and silver will get it a few days later? OMG what a ripoff now i need to PAY for demos? :lol:

another reason why PSN>>>XBL

Huff

But good thing i bought my $50 membership so now i dont have to pay for anything and i get to use a online service that doesnt suck like psn.

please list how XBL is better than PSN. i would love to see you try to justify throwing 50$ a year down the drain.

serously, even homeless people could afford XBL, they make more than 50 bucks a year, and most of it actually does go down a drain (in urine form)

The day they dont let you download demos full stop is the day you may whine about it.Ninja-Vox

[QUOTE="Huff"]Please tell me how someone who is an adult, or at least mature enough to spend a grand on two video game consoles, can continue to piss and moan over four dollars a month like they're on a fixed income?rocktimusprime

serously, even homeless people could afford XBL, they make more than 50 bucks a year, and most of it actually does go down a drain (in urine form)

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]The day they dont let you download demos full stop is the day you may whine about it.Teufelhuhn

It was clearly just my opinion; when they restrict your right to download things entirely, whine about it. When they simply give priority to their subscribers; you have nothing to whine about. You're not paying anything. You cant whine about having to wait a few days to get something you aren't paying for.

And yes, that's just my opinion. I'd have thought that was obvious. Unless you'd rather i mark every post with "in my opinion" to point out the already patently obvious.

And no; wrong. They did not "take away" a feature at all. You can still download demos. The only difference is that when popular demos come out which millions rush to download, making the servers slow, priority is given to Gold members. And rightfully so. People paying money for xbox live should be able to download these things first before they're released to everyone else.

You aren't paying anything, so you have no right to complain. They haven't taken away a feature; they're simply addressing the complaints of live users that new demos take forever to download when they first come out because of the volume of downloads. Thus, if you're paying money for the service, you get it early to prevent that.

I pay money. I see no problem with that. If i was using the service for free i imagine i'd be more prone to whine about it, but if you think about it reasonably, it makes perfect sense

[QUOTE="rocktimusprime"][QUOTE="Huff"]Please tell me how someone who is an adult, or at least mature enough to spend a grand on two video game consoles, can continue to piss and moan over four dollars a month like they're on a fixed income?Teufelhuhn

serously, even homeless people could afford XBL, they make more than 50 bucks a year, and most of it actually does go down a drain (in urine form)

yeah i do that already, and 50 bucks for a whole year really isn't breaking my back, boils down to about 4 bucks a month. Your telling me you don't have 4 bucks a month to spare? Gimme a break.

if you hate XBL gold so much don't buy it. most of the people whining about it are cows who just want a piece of far fetched ownage.

This isn't even a new thing. Popular demos have always been released to Gold members first. I remember when my subscription ran out and i couldn't download the Splinter Cell demo. That was ages ago.Ninja-Vox

Welcome to SW, where when something good happens, someone tries to make it look bad.

[QUOTE="rocktimusprime"][QUOTE="Huff"]Please tell me how someone who is an adult, or at least mature enough to spend a grand on two video game consoles, can continue to piss and moan over four dollars a month like they're on a fixed income?Teufelhuhn

serously, even homeless people could afford XBL, they make more than 50 bucks a year, and most of it actually does go down a drain (in urine form)

I'm a college student who works in a music store for five hours a week and sells the occasional digital photograph, and i have no problems at all paying for xbox live. And again, if you dont want to pay, you can just wait a couple of days and download it for free.

What's the problem?

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="rocktimusprime"][QUOTE="Huff"]Please tell me how someone who is an adult, or at least mature enough to spend a grand on two video game consoles, can continue to piss and moan over four dollars a month like they're on a fixed income?Ninja-Vox

serously, even homeless people could afford XBL, they make more than 50 bucks a year, and most of it actually does go down a drain (in urine form)

I'm a college student who works in a music store for five hours a week and sells the occasional digital photograph, and i have no problems at all paying for xbox live. And again, if you dont want to pay, you can just wait a couple of days and download it for free.

What's the problem?

the problem is that its something fun for the 360 and they don't want you to have fun on your 360.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]The day they dont let you download demos full stop is the day you may whine about it.Teufelhuhn

Bingo, the functionality of the 360 is reduced from what it once was. I don't remember Microsoft saying "oh, if you don't pay for a gold subscription, you can't download demos until a week after everyone else has" when the system launched. In fact, this seems to defeat the purpose of having a demo.

What's next? Gold members get game releases before everyone else? GTA IV won't run on your system until a week later, unless you're a gold member?

If the only thing you want with your online service is downloading demo's and playing games online (like me), PSN is the better online service since not paying is better than paying.

QED

It was clearly just my opinion; when they restrict your right to download things entirely, whine about it. When they simply give priority to their subscribers; you have nothing to whine about. You're not paying anything. You cant whine about having to wait a few days to get something you aren't paying for.

And yes, that's just my opinion. I'd have thought that was obvious. Unless you'd rather i mark every post with "in my opinion" to point out the already patently obvious.

And no; wrong. They did not "take away" a feature at all. You can still download demos. The only difference is that when popular demos come out which millions rush to download, making the servers slow, priority is given to Gold members. And rightfully so. People paying money for xbox live should be able to download these things first before they're released to everyone else.

You aren't paying anything, so you have no right to complain. They haven't taken away a feature; they're simply addressing the complaints of live users that new demos take forever to download when they first come out because of the volume of downloads. Thus, if you're paying money for the service, you get it early to prevent that.

I pay money. I see no problem with that. If i was using the service for free i imagine i'd be more prone to whine about it, but if you think about it reasonably, it makes perfect sense

Ninja-Vox

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]The day they dont let you download demos full stop is the day you may whine about it.subrosian

Bingo, the functionality of the 360 is reduced from what it once was. I don't remember Microsoft saying "oh, if you don't pay for a gold subscription, you can't download demos until a week after everyone else has" when the system launched. In fact, this seems to defeat the purpose of having a demo.

What's next? Gold members get game releases before everyone else? GTA IV won't run on your system until a week later, unless you're a gold member?

how many XBL silver member do you know, and how many of them can't wait 5 days for it?

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]The day they dont let you download demos full stop is the day you may whine about it.subrosian

Bingo, the functionality of the 360 is reduced from what it once was. I don't remember Microsoft saying "oh, if you don't pay for a gold subscription, you can't download demos until a week after everyone else has" when the system launched. In fact, this seems to defeat the purpose of having a demo.

What's next? Gold members get game releases before everyone else? GTA IV won't run on your system until a week later, unless you're a gold member?

Silver members had to wait for demos since about three weeks after launch. Where have you been?

yeah i do that already, and 50 bucks for a whole year really isn't breaking my back, boils down to about 4 bucks a month. Your telling me you don't have 4 bucks a month to spare? Gimme a break. rocktimusprime

if you hate XBL gold so much don't buy it. most of the people whining about it are cows who just want a piece of far fetched ownage.

rocktimusprime

[QUOTE="rocktimusprime"][QUOTE="Huff"]Please tell me how someone who is an adult, or at least mature enough to spend a grand on two video game consoles, can continue to piss and moan over four dollars a month like they're on a fixed income?Teufelhuhn

serously, even homeless people could afford XBL, they make more than 50 bucks a year, and most of it actually does go down a drain (in urine form)

Most people here don't pay their own way in life - they don't pay for *all* of their bills yet - housing, medical care, food, cell phone, car insurance, et cetera. Life is being paid for by someone else, in some way or another - whether it's student loans, federal grants, or mommy & daddy. And that's fine, but until the day you pay your entire way in life, you cannot say that "$50 isn't breaking my back".

Further, it's $50 you don't need to be paying, it's an artificial removal of service, to shaft you, because you've *already bought the system*. It is the definition of milkage. It's not "paying for a service", it's being charged $50 to use the driveway you bought with your house, and frankly that people take it so easily says to me that we need a change of terminology. We use "lemming" because lemmings follow each other off a cliff - maybe we should change that to "lobotomy patient" because people seem to have difficulty *thinking*.

And that's not aimed at any one particular person, or meant to insult anyone here directly - I'm simply asking you to take a moment and be honest with yourself. You don't have to post it here, you don't have to admit to "the internets" that you're wrong, but look at what Microsoft's doing and ask yourself "why does my butt hurt?". I think you know the answer.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

It was clearly just my opinion; when they restrict your right to download things entirely, whine about it. When they simply give priority to their subscribers; you have nothing to whine about. You're not paying anything. You cant whine about having to wait a few days to get something you aren't paying for.

And yes, that's just my opinion. I'd have thought that was obvious. Unless you'd rather i mark every post with "in my opinion" to point out the already patently obvious.

And no; wrong. They did not "take away" a feature at all. You can still download demos. The only difference is that when popular demos come out which millions rush to download, making the servers slow, priority is given to Gold members. And rightfully so. People paying money for xbox live should be able to download these things first before they're released to everyone else.

You aren't paying anything, so you have no right to complain. They haven't taken away a feature; they're simply addressing the complaints of live users that new demos take forever to download when they first come out because of the volume of downloads. Thus, if you're paying money for the service, you get it early to prevent that.

I pay money. I see no problem with that. If i was using the service for free i imagine i'd be more prone to whine about it, but if you think about it reasonably, it makes perfect sense

Teufelhuhn

"Oh gee, this demo came out five days ago.... i guess people on the internet are done talking about it now. Oh well, i cant complain seeing as i'm not paying any money for this service."

That would be my approach.

Silver is free. You dont have to pay money to use it. Thus, it is free. It comes with the console at no additional cost. It's free. I dont know what you're on about there.

And once again, i dont know how many times this needs to be said, but what functionality has been taken away? Like i said; three weeks after the console launched microsoft changed the download system to give gold users priority after complaints that download took too long.

You still get to download it. You just have to wait until the traffic has died down. It's not even a fixed amount of time. So what, again, is the problem? If you couldn't download demos at all i'd understand. But having to wait to let the Gold members download it first when you aren't paying any money is something you simply cannot complain about.

Nothing was taken away from you. Popular demos have had this restriction for way over a year.

[QUOTE="rocktimusprime"]yeah i do that already, and 50 bucks for a whole year really isn't breaking my back, boils down to about 4 bucks a month. Your telling me you don't have 4 bucks a month to spare? Gimme a break. Teufelhuhn

if you hate XBL gold so much don't buy it. most of the people whining about it are cows who just want a piece of far fetched ownage.

rocktimusprime

Ok, so you could afford XBL, but you don't want it. So you spend your time arguing about it online?

I'm confused here...

I agree taking away free demos from silver account memebers is pretty cheap on MS part. There only reasoning was "to make gold membership more appealling to upgrade to" so essentially your "paying" to get demos earlier.

PSN just gives em out free of charge i dont see why MS cant do the same :roll:

Silver members had to wait for demos since about three weeks after launch. Where have you been?

Ninja-Vox

Umm, no. This was a rather recent change. Most of the people I hang with and play 360 with don't pay for LIVE, hence I'm pretty well aware of the sudden change that happened in December of 2007.

Of course you might ask for a link, and I'm happy to provide one:

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3164734

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]The day they dont let you download demos full stop is the day you may whine about it.subrosian

Bingo, the functionality of the 360 is reduced from what it once was. I don't remember Microsoft saying "oh, if you don't pay for a gold subscription, you can't download demos until a week after everyone else has" when the system launched. In fact, this seems to defeat the purpose of having a demo.

What's next? Gold members get game releases before everyone else? GTA IV won't run on your system until a week later, unless you're a gold member?

Then much like the woman on Fox, you're arguing about something you dont know anything about. This was the case from no more than a month after the console shipped. Popular demos were open to be downloaded first by Gold members after complaints that it took too long to download due to high traffic.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

[QUOTE="rocktimusprime"]yeah i do that already, and 50 bucks for a whole year really isn't breaking my back, boils down to about 4 bucks a month. Your telling me you don't have 4 bucks a month to spare? Gimme a break. rocktimusprime

if you hate XBL gold so much don't buy it. most of the people whining about it are cows who just want a piece of far fetched ownage.

rocktimusprime

Ok, so you could afford XBL, but you don't want it. So you spend your time arguing about it online?

I'm confused here...

*facepalm*

He's pointing out that Microsoft is exploiting Xbox 360 owners, and he *happens* to be an Xbox 360 owner. Are you saying that the only people allowed to post are Microsoft drones?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

Silver members had to wait for demos since about three weeks after launch. Where have you been?

subrosian

Umm, no. This was a rather recent change. Most of the people I hang with and play 360 with don't pay for LIVE, hence I'm pretty well aware of the sudden change that happened in December of 2007.

Of course you might ask for a link, and I'm happy to provide one:

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3164734

Splinter Cell Double Agent was open to gold members first, before silver members. Thats the only example i'm aware of as it's the only demo i've tried to download without a gold account. That was at least a year ago. More, in fact.

EDIT: your own link even says this was a practice already in place last year. :| Clearly it has simply applied to more demos recently.

"Oh gee, this demo came out five days ago.... i guess people on the internet are done talking about it now. Oh well, i cant complain seeing as i'm not paying any money for this service."Ninja-Vox

I agree taking away free demos from silver account memebers is pretty cheap on MS part. There only reasoning was "to make gold membership more appealling to upgrade to" so essentially your "paying" to get demos earlier.

PSN just gives em out free of charge i dont see why MS cant do the same :roll:

Gh0st_Of_0nyx

You're not paying to get demos. I'm fairly sure it's a perk to give gold users more value for their money, otherwise, gold and silver are pretty much one in the same. The only thing your money gets you is the ability to play online. Thus, allowing gold users to download demos early, ahead of the masses.

I made a thread a while back actually, asking why bother paying for xbox live when you dont seem to get anything for your $50 over silver members for free. Priority downloads at least adds to the list, and you have no right to complain about it if you're not a member because you still get to download it and you aren't paying for anything.

Microsoft's Marketplace is an utter joke. SolidSnake35

Then what is PSN? :lol:

[QUOTE="rocktimusprime"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

[QUOTE="rocktimusprime"]yeah i do that already, and 50 bucks for a whole year really isn't breaking my back, boils down to about 4 bucks a month. Your telling me you don't have 4 bucks a month to spare? Gimme a break. subrosian

if you hate XBL gold so much don't buy it. most of the people whining about it are cows who just want a piece of far fetched ownage.

rocktimusprime

Ok, so you could afford XBL, but you don't want it. So you spend your time arguing about it online?

I'm confused here...

*facepalm*

He's pointing out that Microsoft is exploiting Xbox 360 owners, and he *happens* to be an Xbox 360 owner. Are you saying that the only people allowed to post are Microsoft drones?

I find the *facepalm* offensive from the man who wants to "SAVE SW IN 08!!!!"!"!"!"!"!"Z"!"

Why should a cow be whining about a demo that is on XBL, that is free for all PSN users? I mean doesn't it seem kinda silly that you whine about a service you don't even get.

I understand arguing about if silver users should have the content but what everyone is casually ignoring is that it is going to be availible to them in a matter of days. I mean if you own a silver membership, chances are online gaming and downloading demos is not a priority. I mean how many silver members do you know personally that are crying thier eyes out over this?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]"Oh gee, this demo came out five days ago.... i guess people on the internet are done talking about it now. Oh well, i cant complain seeing as i'm not paying any money for this service."Teufelhuhn

You have not paid money for said service. You paid for an xbox 360. They aren't obligated to provide a free version of their service. They have simply chosen to do so.

And keep your patronising "simple exercises" to yourself, thanks. It seems to me like you just want something for nothing. And despite the fact that you're still getting demo downloads, that isn't enough. You're still going to complain because you have to allow the paid members to download them first.

Life is so unfair.

EDIT: So people will stop attacking me...I agree, it is a rip of on MS part. However, for GOLD MEMEBERS it's good, since we're getting more for out money.darkslider99

Nope, your just paying for another thing that should be free. First P2P and now demos. Who ever heard of paying for demos.

I understand arguing about if silver users should have the content but what everyone is casually ignoring is that it is going to be availible to them in a matter of days. I mean if you own a silver membership, chances are online gaming and downloading demos is not a priority. I mean how many silver members do you know personally that are crying thier eyes out over this?

rocktimusprime

[QUOTE="rocktimusprime"]

I understand arguing about if silver users should have the content but what everyone is casually ignoring is that it is going to be availible to them in a matter of days. I mean if you own a silver membership, chances are online gaming and downloading demos is not a priority. I mean how many silver members do you know personally that are crying thier eyes out over this?

Teufelhuhn

don't you have a gold membership currently? i mean its in your profile? So you whining about something that doesn't currently affect you?

man thats really funny.

[QUOTE="rocktimusprime"]

I understand arguing about if silver users should have the content but what everyone is casually ignoring is that it is going to be availible to them in a matter of days. I mean if you own a silver membership, chances are online gaming and downloading demos is not a priority. I mean how many silver members do you know personally that are crying thier eyes out over this?

Teufelhuhn

And as a silver member you get to download demos for free albeit, after the paid members, which is fair enough seeing as your service comes free of charge whereas theirs comes with a $50 price tag.

You cannot logically see that as an unjust situation. You still get all the free stuff, you just have to let the members download it first.

goto any xbox forum and tell me how many people are crying thier eyes out over this....

seems only SW makes a big deal out of NOTHING

XBOX LIVE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PSN

but since both can be upgraded at will their is no point comparing as tommorow PSN could be exactly like Xbox Live

XBOX LIVE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PSN

but since both can be upgraded at will their is no point comparing as tommorow PSN could be exactly like Xbox Live

ukillwegrill

would not be suprised to see it cost money eventually. there is simply too big a market there, and XBL has proven people en masse will pay for it.

[QUOTE="TheDarkDisciple"][QUOTE="robotech31"][QUOTE="Huff"][QUOTE="goddamn_"]

[QUOTE="E M I N 3 M"]Read what i wrote d00d...It's most likely so that the servers don't get congested. They gave gold members demos a week in advance...it's not the end of the world. I timed this DL...i will bet my dollar to your donut, when i DL it on PSN it won't be as fast. robotech31

I'm not a gold member cause I don't care about multiplayer at all. So why I can't download demos again?

yet they still get more demos than psn... :|

um, i don't see the Wii getting any demos.