I need to understand why PS3's graphics will exceed 360's in a years time.

PS3 games already look better than 360. That doesn't make 360 a bad console, but it's the truth. And multiplats may play better on the 360 now but that doesn't mean it is more capable than the ps3. MGS2 on xbox anyone? RedMarzBoy

Did I read you right? What game are you talking about?

[QUOTE="HermitCommando"]

I'm looking at PS3's hardware and I'm really not sure it's going to "Blow 360 away in a year."

First of all, people areassuming 360 will remain static and will never see advances in graphical quality.PS3 will then see major leaps in graphical quality,even though it has really gimped ram and a really poor gpu.This is the general consensus of Cows, and non-Cows, around this website. In a years time, PS3 multiplats will look better, exclusives will make 360 look like PS2, BluRay will allow for bigger-better games.

What hidden power does the PS3 have up it's sleeve that Developers are going to magically discover and blow 360 away? The Cell? :roll: RSX? :lol: The onlyHardware advantage PS3 has is BluRay, which allows PS3 to watch BluRay movies. That's it. The storage capacity is meaningless since all you'd have to do is swap a DVD9 every so often. That's why I bought mine. To watch 300 in high-def.

Look at the difference we saw with Xbox and PS2. Coming out one year after PS2, Xbox destroyed PS2 graphically by leaps and bounds. Complete massacre as far as graphics were concerned. You saw better quality with Xbox multiplats.

PS3 is out one year after 360... and most multiplats have framerate issues, look worse, run poorly... and you're telling me in a year, developers "WilL DiSCoVER TEh PoWEA Of TeH CeLL!!!" and unlock 120 fps and better graphics that make 360 look like N64?

Please school his confused Hermit.

Da_bomb101

First of all the blu-ray is a BIG advantage, because it allows for more storage capacity which allows for more advanced graphics, and complex operations on the system. Second of all the cell is powerful, it has 234 mill transistors on its single die. For comparison sake, most cpus dont even break the 200 million mark. Hence more complex operatiosn available on the system, so there is no denying the ps3s sheer power. The reason developers are having a difficult time with the technology is because its new, and theyve have had relatively limited access to it, over time developers will be able to make the transistion with ease. Even EA's Peter Moore has come out and said that they are just now starting to work out the technology, and shouldnt be too far down the line when developers will be able to tap the ps3s true power.

You are completelly ignoring RAM and Bottleneck issues. Even the Lair had horrible framerate issues. Think about this for a second, if you take uncompressed audio and load it into ram aren't you taking from the graphics capability also? They only have so much to work with.

The ps3 supposedly ever blowing the 360 away graphically is a myth that needs to die. It's just not going to happen. Another myth that needs to die is that the Cell is a good gaming processor. It's not. Blu-ray is the reason the ps3 is on store shelves, and Sony's decision to use the Cell processor is stone cold proof of it.bluebrad1974

Yeah.

Since we know that the Xenos > RSX

How is the Cell going to improve graphics?

Split RAM?

A bigger storage medium?

Doesn't make sense.

Give it time.

Look at the 360's first 10 months...what game made you say wow and blew you away graphically? ....that's right none.

Look at PS3's first 10 months...nothing that will blow you away graphically, but you got Uncharted coming out in November (GeOW came out in Nov 06 for the 360), then you got UT3...these 2 games alone look better than anything on the 360

Give it time.

Look at the 360's first 10 months...what game made you say wow and blew you away graphically? ....that's right none.

Look at PS3's first 10 months...nothing that will blow you away graphically, but you got Uncharted coming out in November (GeOW came out in Nov 06 for the 360), then you got UT3...these 2 games alone look better than anything on the 360

-D3MO-

Ps3 has yet to overwhelm these graphics, let alone 2nd gen 360 titles.

Look at the 360's first 10 months...what game made you say wow and blew you away graphically, GRAW 1, PGR3, oblivion.

Name one game thats out that graphically blew you away on the ps3 thats right none

well maybe they'll improve the PS3 so that it will be betterMichaeltheCM

They will and it's called PS4!

[QUOTE="HermitCommando"]

I'm looking at PS3's hardware and I'm really not sure it's going to "Blow 360 away in a year."

First of all, people areassuming 360 will remain static and will never see advances in graphical quality.PS3 will then see major leaps in graphical quality,even though it has really gimped ram and a really poor gpu.This is the general consensus of Cows, and non-Cows, around this website. In a years time, PS3 multiplats will look better, exclusives will make 360 look like PS2, BluRay will allow for bigger-better games.

What hidden power does the PS3 have up it's sleeve that Developers are going to magically discover and blow 360 away? The Cell? :roll: RSX? :lol: The onlyHardware advantage PS3 has is BluRay, which allows PS3 to watch BluRay movies. That's it. The storage capacity is meaningless since all you'd have to do is swap a DVD9 every so often. That's why I bought mine. To watch 300 in high-def.

Look at the difference we saw with Xbox and PS2. Coming out one year after PS2, Xbox destroyed PS2 graphically by leaps and bounds. Complete massacre as far as graphics were concerned. You saw better quality with Xbox multiplats.

PS3 is out one year after 360... and most multiplats have framerate issues, look worse, run poorly... and you're telling me in a year, developers "WilL DiSCoVER TEh PoWEA Of TeH CeLL!!!" and unlock 120 fps and better graphics that make 360 look like N64?

Please school his confused Hermit.

Da_bomb101

First of all the blu-ray is a BIG advantage, because it allows for more storage capacity which allows for more advanced graphics, and complex operations on the system. Second of all the cell is powerful, it has 234 mill transistors on its single die. For comparison sake, most cpus dont even break the 200 million mark. Hence more complex operatiosn available on the system, so there is no denying the ps3s sheer power. The reason developers are having a difficult time with the technology is because its new, and theyve have had relatively limited access to it, over time developers will be able to make the transistion with ease. Even EA's Peter Moore has come out and said that they are just now starting to work out the technology, and shouldnt be too far down the line when developers will be able to tap the ps3s true power.

Blu ray discs just store the game, it has nothing to do with how advanced the graphics are.

PS3 games already look better than 360. That doesn't make 360 a bad console, but it's the truth. And multiplats may play better on the 360 now but that doesn't mean it is more capable than the ps3. MGS2 on xbox anyone?RedMarzBoy

You must have a different 360 and PS3 to mine then or maybe you got a little dirt on those fanboy goggles of yours ;).

More storage doesn't justify better graphics, stop pulling retarded answers out of your anus.wittbolds

:lol: indeed, cows seem to think bluray will make the ps3 last 10 years.

[QUOTE="HermitCommando"]

I'm looking at PS3's hardware and I'm really not sure it's going to "Blow 360 away in a year."

First of all, people areassuming 360 will remain static and will never see advances in graphical quality.PS3 will then see major leaps in graphical quality,even though it has really gimped ram and a really poor gpu.This is the general consensus of Cows, and non-Cows, around this website. In a years time, PS3 multiplats will look better, exclusives will make 360 look like PS2, BluRay will allow for bigger-better games.

What hidden power does the PS3 have up it's sleeve that Developers are going to magically discover and blow 360 away? The Cell? :roll: RSX? :lol: The onlyHardware advantage PS3 has is BluRay, which allows PS3 to watch BluRay movies. That's it. The storage capacity is meaningless since all you'd have to do is swap a DVD9 every so often. That's why I bought mine. To watch 300 in high-def.

Look at the difference we saw with Xbox and PS2. Coming out one year after PS2, Xbox destroyed PS2 graphically by leaps and bounds. Complete massacre as far as graphics were concerned. You saw better quality with Xbox multiplats.

PS3 is out one year after 360... and most multiplats have framerate issues, look worse, run poorly... and you're telling me in a year, developers "WilL DiSCoVER TEh PoWEA Of TeH CeLL!!!" and unlock 120 fps and better graphics that make 360 look like N64?

Please school his confused Hermit.

Da_bomb101

First of all the blu-ray is a BIG advantage, because it allows for more storage capacity which allows for more advanced graphics, and complex operations on the system. Second of all the cell is powerful, it has 234 mill transistors on its single die. For comparison sake, most cpus dont even break the 200 million mark. Hence more complex operatiosn available on the system, so there is no denying the ps3s sheer power. The reason developers are having a difficult time with the technology is because its new, and theyve have had relatively limited access to it, over time developers will be able to make the transistion with ease. Even EA's Peter Moore has come out and said that they are just now starting to work out the technology, and shouldnt be too far down the line when developers will be able to tap the ps3s true power.

First Blu-ray doesn't allow for more advanced graphics, simple as that. Secondly while im not Arguing in terms of number crunching anyways that cell is mroe powerful then Xenon..please don't use the "this has a number of transistors". Transistors aren't the tell all, archtecture is FAR more important.

Great example is the 2900XT vs the 8800GTX. 2900XT is WAY more complex, has twice the number of stream processors, etc. Guess what though, only has half the ROPs/texturing units....this is why the 8800matches or beats in many benchmarks.

[QUOTE="Da_bomb101"][QUOTE="HermitCommando"]

I'm looking at PS3's hardware and I'm really not sure it's going to "Blow 360 away in a year."

First of all, people areassuming 360 will remain static and will never see advances in graphical quality.PS3 will then see major leaps in graphical quality,even though it has really gimped ram and a really poor gpu.This is the general consensus of Cows, and non-Cows, around this website. In a years time, PS3 multiplats will look better, exclusives will make 360 look like PS2, BluRay will allow for bigger-better games.

What hidden power does the PS3 have up it's sleeve that Developers are going to magically discover and blow 360 away? The Cell? :roll: RSX? :lol: The onlyHardware advantage PS3 has is BluRay, which allows PS3 to watch BluRay movies. That's it. The storage capacity is meaningless since all you'd have to do is swap a DVD9 every so often. That's why I bought mine. To watch 300 in high-def.

Look at the difference we saw with Xbox and PS2. Coming out one year after PS2, Xbox destroyed PS2 graphically by leaps and bounds. Complete massacre as far as graphics were concerned. You saw better quality with Xbox multiplats.

PS3 is out one year after 360... and most multiplats have framerate issues, look worse, run poorly... and you're telling me in a year, developers "WilL DiSCoVER TEh PoWEA Of TeH CeLL!!!" and unlock 120 fps and better graphics that make 360 look like N64?

Please school his confused Hermit.

steamboat109

First of all the blu-ray is a BIG advantage, because it allows for more storage capacity which allows for more advanced graphics, and complex operations on the system. Second of all the cell is powerful :roll: , it has 234 mill transistors on its single die. For comparison sake, most cpus dont even break the 200 million mark. Hence more complex operatiosn available on the system, so there is no denying the ps3s sheer power. The reason developers are having a difficult time with the technology is because its new, and theyve have had relatively limited access to it, over time developers will be able to make the transistion with ease. Even EA's Peter Moore has come out and said that they are just now starting to work out the technology, and shouldnt be too far down the line when developers will be able to tap the ps3s true power.

Storage does NOT enhance graphics and operations!!! the system does. Go home

Hey Shemp, I don't see where he said storage enhancesoperations. He stated that it ALLOWS for more advanced operations. By having more space, theoretically they can put more into the game i.e. higher res textures, more content. Whether or not this happens remains to be seen.

all you'd have to do is swap a DVD9 every so often.

HermitCommando

ps3 games graphicaly will never exceed the 360 due to its weaker gpu!

but effects the cell can pull off will probably be missing on the 360 but multiplats wont use them just there own games ...due to extra cost and dev time.

[QUOTE="leviathan91"]Uncharted and MGS4 disagree. And Killzone 2 says "high!". ;)WhoaNellie32

well, i'm glad that we can all verify "high" actually means to this poster "hello", "greetings" or "hi" (I'm giving you ((poster)) being a 15 year old at best...), but lets be honest for one minute of our lives. Killzone is going to say nothing but that which Heavenly Sword has said before it many times over for months before Killzone actually makes its release. In that I'm saying, "Hello! I'm another game with a lot of asthetic qualities but no substance, look at me!" In that, Killzone will be the same. Killzone is bull. Ps3 is becoming bull in general. The graphics debate is ridculous. Who cares? PS3 is obviously inferior to Xbox 360 at this point. Wasn't it supposedly supposed to blow 360 away from the get-go.....? Well, ummmm, its not....FYI: Only respond to me if you are in middle or high school so I can personally laugh at your ignorant ridiculous answers.

OMG, I misspelled a word. :roll: And how would you know if KZ2 won't live up to expectations? :? The game has been getting some great hands-ons since Lezpig from GameInformer, Gamespot,and IGN. They said the KZ2 demohad aggressiveA.I. and easy-to-use controls. Overall, it plays as it looks great. And don't give me EGM said KZ2 had dumb A.I. I'm guessing that's from E307.

The PS3 and 360 are quite the same in power. Right now, we're seeing a lot of good-looking games on both systems that are comparable. Of course most multiplats on the 360 are better but aren't some looking better on the PS3? Oblivion? Tiger Woods07 (I forgot the name)? And didn't the devs for CoD4 say that both version will look the same? The PS3 was hard to develop and now we're seeing a lot of good looking games. I can say the same thing for the 360 back at 2005. ;) The 360 version of Madden was inferior to the PS2 version. Why? Well, itwasn't graphically since the 360 version looks way better but it was the fact that the PS2 version had more content than the 360 version.

But I do agree with you one thing. Sony did say a lot of dumb things and their console at launch didn't show any games that were better than the 360 games like Gears of War and now they are paying the price. ;)

"Please don't forget why we are playing games in the first place: to provide a temporary escape from our otherwise hectic/senseless/painful lives. If you want to fight over this as if you were fighting over religion, then you've got the wrong hobby."

That is a great comment! But to tell you the truth only 2 out of 10 people will actualy know what it means!!

I can't take out the pics from the website so here it is. Uncharted looks fabulous. :D Just go to gallery to see the pics. ;)

http://www.us.playstation.com/uncharted/

"Please don't forget why we are playing games in the first place: to provide a temporary escape from our otherwise hectic/senseless/painful lives. If you want to fight over this as if you were fighting over religion, then you've got the wrong hobby."

That is a great comment! But to tell you the truth only 2 out of 10 people will actualy know what it means!!

d3r7y

Gaming and religion are equally trivial. Except with religion, millions of people have diedthrough thousands of years of fighting. Oddly enough, god is nowhere to be seen during the on-going blood bath.

Debating games is just as much a temporary escape from our useless lives as actually playing a game or praying to a god that doesn't exist.

Ahem

Teh cell will make all games totally ownz as soon as they find it in teh pS3!!!!!!11!

Teh Red Ring of DEATHHH!!!!111

Lair is da king it dont even matter if it got a bad score, i dont need gamespot to tell me what to play!

Once Nintendo harnesseseses teh P0Werrr of da Wii the graphiks will be da best!

Crysis Ownzzz

Expect to get a mix of these answers

Mateo14

[QUOTE="d3r7y"]

"Please don't forget why we are playing games in the first place: to provide a temporary escape from our otherwise hectic/senseless/painful lives. If you want to fight over this as if you were fighting over religion, then you've got the wrong hobby."

That is a great comment! But to tell you the truth only 2 out of 10 people will actualy know what it means!!

Subcritical

Gaming and religion are equally trivial. Except with religion, millions of people have diedthrough thousands of years of fighting. Oddly enough, god is nowhere to be seen during the on-going blood bath.

Debating games is just as much a temporary escape from our useless lives as actually playing a game or praying to a god that doesn't exist.

gaming and religion are equally trivial.you got to be ***** kidding me.

The GPU in the PS3 is weaker, therefore, I doubt the PS3's graphics will ever eclipse the X360s. lhughey

it's very possible that the cell can ease up the workload of the GPU. there are a few techniques like telling the GPU not to render polygons and textures that are not currently visible on the screen. so the GPU doesn't waste power rendering things the player does not see, until the time comes to render it when it comes into view.

[QUOTE="RedMarzBoy"]PS3 games already look better than 360. That doesn't make 360 a bad console, but it's the truth. And multiplats may play better on the 360 now but that doesn't mean it is more capable than the ps3. MGS2 on xbox anyone?Stonin

You must have a different 360 and PS3 to mine then or maybe you got a little dirt on those fanboy goggles of yours ;).

[QUOTE="wittbolds"]More storage doesn't justify better graphics, stop pulling retarded answers out of your anus.marklarmer

:lol: indeed, cows seem to think bluray will make the ps3 last 10 years.

Yep Blue Ray was put in the Ps3 for one reason only to sell blue ray movies. Sorry Cows you got suckered by Sony into paying for there format war.

[QUOTE="d3r7y"]

"Please don't forget why we are playing games in the first place: to provide a temporary escape from our otherwise hectic/senseless/painful lives. If you want to fight over this as if you were fighting over religion, then you've got the wrong hobby."

That is a great comment! But to tell you the truth only 2 out of 10 people will actualy know what it means!!

Subcritical

Gaming and religion are equally trivial. Except with religion, millions of people have diedthrough thousands of years of fighting. Oddly enough, god is nowhere to be seen during the on-going blood bath.

Debating games is just as much a temporary escape from our useless lives as actually playing a game or praying to a god that doesn't exist.