I read somewhere that.............

I think this just proves that a brandname can sell a console better than the actual game on it.

I think this just proves that a brandname can sell a console better than the actual game on it.

SkullboyX

This man speaks the truth.

I think this just proves that a brandname can sell a console better than the actual game on it.

SkullboyX

[QUOTE="SkullboyX"]

I think this just proves that a brandname can sell a console better than the actual game on it.

kenz

This man speaks the truth.

[QUOTE="SkullboyX"]

I think this just proves that a brandname can sell a console better than the actual game on it.

darkslider99

Sales only matter when you win, guaranteed if 360 had the sales and PS3 had the games your sentence would be different.

[QUOTE="darkslider99"][QUOTE="SkullboyX"]

I think this just proves that a brandname can sell a console better than the actual game on it.

Ragnarok1051

Sales only matter when you win, guaranteed if 360 had the sales and PS3 had the games your sentence would be different.

[QUOTE="SkullboyX"]

I think this just proves that a brandname can sell a console better than the actual game on it.

darkslider99

Crazy how PS3 accomplished 10 million with "no games".......

[QUOTE="SkullboyX"]

I think this just proves that a brandname can sell a console better than the actual game on it.

darkslider99

Also in hardware failure rate, just ask the GDC :D
Yes, it sold 10 mil faster than 360,
but way slower than Wii :D

[QUOTE="darkslider99"][QUOTE="SkullboyX"]

I think this just proves that a brandname can sell a console better than the actual game on it.

peenatrick

Crazy how PS3 accomplished 10 million with "no games".......

Last Year

360 games>>>>>>>>>>PS3 games

PS3 sales>>>>>>>>>>>360 sales

If you don't think that's messed up, then I don't know what is

I think this just proves that a brandname can sell a console better than the actual game on it.

SkullboyX

Or maybe the word got around about the likelihood of getting an RROD'd 360.

[QUOTE="peenatrick"][QUOTE="darkslider99"][QUOTE="SkullboyX"]

I think this just proves that a brandname can sell a console better than the actual game on it.

SkullboyX

Crazy how PS3 accomplished 10 million with "no games".......

Last Year

360 games>>>>>>>>>>PS3 games

PS3 sales>>>>>>>>>>>360 sales

If you don't think that's messed up, then I don't know what is

360 has a huge hardware failure rate, and was rushed out,
there's a reason people are turning on it.

As per games, well, Mass Effect should have won GOTY, but, other than that,
360's "super godly" titles were shooters *yawn*, I owned the 2 "kings" in GeOW and Halo 3,
both very...shooter...
Best shooter was CoD4, and it was multiplat.

[QUOTE="darkslider99"][QUOTE="SkullboyX"]

I think this just proves that a brandname can sell a console better than the actual game on it.

peenatrick

Crazy how PS3 accomplished 10 million with "no games".......

Not really crazy when probobly half of those just wanted a blu ray player....i mean what else would you ps3 owners do with that doorstop.

[QUOTE="SkullboyX"][QUOTE="peenatrick"][QUOTE="darkslider99"][QUOTE="SkullboyX"]

I think this just proves that a brandname can sell a console better than the actual game on it.

Andrew_Xavier

Crazy how PS3 accomplished 10 million with "no games".......

Last Year

360 games>>>>>>>>>>PS3 games

PS3 sales>>>>>>>>>>>360 sales

If you don't think that's messed up, then I don't know what is

360 has a huge hardware failure rate, and was rushed out,
there's a reason people are turning on it.

As per games, well, Mass Effect should have won GOTY, but, other than that,
360's "super godly" titles were shooters *yawn*, I owned the 2 "kings" in GeOW and Halo 3,
both very...shooter...
Best shooter was CoD4, and it was multiplat.

That didn't stop the PS2 in sales. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure that DRE's helped sell PS2s.

That didn't stop the PS2 in sales. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure that DRE's helped sell PS2s.

SkullboyX

DRE wasn't reported to be near as bad as the RRoD & DRE of the 360,
plus, the xbox wasn't exactly stable either,
I owned all 3 consoles last gen too.
So, Sony rushed out the ps2, and it had a dre, and they learned and took the time with the ps3,
how does that excuse m$ from rushing out the 360 and it having an insane failure rate?

[QUOTE="SkullboyX"]

That didn't stop the PS2 in sales. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure that DRE's helped sell PS2s.

Andrew_Xavier

DRE wasn't reported to be near as bad as the RRoD & DRE of the 360,
plus, the xbox wasn't exactly stable either,
I owned all 3 consoles last gen too.
So, Sony rushed out the ps2, and it had a dre, and they learned and took the time with the ps3,
how does that excuse m$ from rushing out the 360 and it having an insane failure rate?

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="SkullboyX"]

That didn't stop the PS2 in sales. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure that DRE's helped sell PS2s.

SkullboyX

DRE wasn't reported to be near as bad as the RRoD & DRE of the 360,
plus, the xbox wasn't exactly stable either,
I owned all 3 consoles last gen too.
So, Sony rushed out the ps2, and it had a dre, and they learned and took the time with the ps3,
how does that excuse m$ from rushing out the 360 and it having an insane failure rate?

3%? No. See, the GPU causes the RRoD, not the CPU,
the 65nm thing you refered to, is the CPU,
the GPU remains the same, as does the hardware failure rate,
if it was down to 3%, m$ would be widely broadcasting it as a major success,
and would use it to turn their rep around, also, their own demo models,
at major game conferences, wouldn't be dying.

Microsoft, if nothing else, is a brilliant promoter,
everyone knows if the RRoD was essentially solved to 3%,
they'd be all over it.

As per "not enough to discourage the average consumer", listen,
the numbers do not lie, there's literally no reason not to buy a 360,
other than the insane hardware failure rate, due to a rushed out product,
if that didn't exist, it'd be overselling the ps3 on a daily sales basis,
and it is not.

[QUOTE="SkullboyX"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="SkullboyX"]

That didn't stop the PS2 in sales. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure that DRE's helped sell PS2s.

Andrew_Xavier

DRE wasn't reported to be near as bad as the RRoD & DRE of the 360,
plus, the xbox wasn't exactly stable either,
I owned all 3 consoles last gen too.
So, Sony rushed out the ps2, and it had a dre, and they learned and took the time with the ps3,
how does that excuse m$ from rushing out the 360 and it having an insane failure rate?

3%? No. See, the GPU causes the RRoD, not the CPU,
the 65nm thing you refered to, is the CPU,
the GPU remains the same, as does the hardware failure rate,
if it was down to 3%, m$ would be widely broadcasting it as a major success,
and would use it to turn their rep around, also, their own demo models,
at major game conferences, wouldn't be dying.

Microsoft, if nothing else, is a brilliant promoter,
everyone knows if the RRoD was essentially solved to 3%,
they'd be all over it.

As per "not enough to discourage the average consumer", listen,
the numbers do not lie, there's literally no reason not to buy a 360,
other than the insane hardware failure rate, due to a rushed out product,
if that didn't exist, it'd be overselling the ps3 on a daily sales basis,
and it is not.

Actually, the Xenos is also getting a 65nm chip model as well.

[QUOTE="SkullboyX"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="SkullboyX"]

That didn't stop the PS2 in sales. As a matter of fact, I'm pretty sure that DRE's helped sell PS2s.

Andrew_Xavier

DRE wasn't reported to be near as bad as the RRoD & DRE of the 360,
plus, the xbox wasn't exactly stable either,
I owned all 3 consoles last gen too.
So, Sony rushed out the ps2, and it had a dre, and they learned and took the time with the ps3,
how does that excuse m$ from rushing out the 360 and it having an insane failure rate?

3%? No. See, the GPU causes the RRoD, not the CPU,
the 65nm thing you refered to, is the CPU,
the GPU remains the same, as does the hardware failure rate,
if it was down to 3%, m$ would be widely broadcasting it as a major success,
and would use it to turn their rep around, also, their own demo models,
at major game conferences, wouldn't be dying.

Microsoft, if nothing else, is a brilliant promoter,
everyone knows if the RRoD was essentially solved to 3%,
they'd be all over it.

As per "not enough to discourage the average consumer", listen,
the numbers do not lie, there's literally no reason not to buy a 360,
other than the insane hardware failure rate, due to a rushed out product,
if that didn't exist, it'd be overselling the ps3 on a daily sales basis,
and it is not.

1) They already replaced the CPU, that why the #s dropped from 30% to 15%

2) HEAT is the main problem of the RRoD

[QUOTE="peenatrick"][QUOTE="darkslider99"][QUOTE="SkullboyX"]

I think this just proves that a brandname can sell a console better than the actual game on it.

SkullboyX

Crazy how PS3 accomplished 10 million with "no games".......

Last Year

360 games>>>>>>>>>>PS3 games

PS3 sales>>>>>>>>>>>360 sales

If you don't think that's messed up, then I don't know what is

1) They already replaced the CPU, that why the #s dropped from 30% to 15%

2) HEAT is the main problem of the RRoD

SkullboyX

Again,
if the number had dropped by that much, it'd be heavily reported in the media, and by M$ as a major success, it has not been, people just "assume" it dropped.

[QUOTE="SkullboyX"]

1) They already replaced the CPU, that why the #s dropped from 30% to 15%

2) HEAT is the main problem of the RRoD

Andrew_Xavier

Again,
if the number had dropped by that much, it'd be heavily reported in the media, and by M$ as a major success, it has not been, people just "assume" it dropped.

Doesn't matter, he already showed your post was wrong, and hes right, HEAT is the main problem, it just so happens alot of that heat does come from the GPU.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="SkullboyX"]

1) They already replaced the CPU, that why the #s dropped from 30% to 15%

2) HEAT is the main problem of the RRoD

Nagidar

Again,
if the number had dropped by that much, it'd be heavily reported in the media, and by M$ as a major success, it has not been, people just "assume" it dropped.

Doesn't matter, he already showed your post was wrong, and hes right, HEAT is the main problem, it just so happens alot of that heat does come from the GPU.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="SkullboyX"]

1) They already replaced the CPU, that why the #s dropped from 30% to 15%

2) HEAT is the main problem of the RRoD

Nagidar

Again,
if the number had dropped by that much, it'd be heavily reported in the media, and by M$ as a major success, it has not been, people just "assume" it dropped.

Doesn't matter, he already showed your post was wrong, and hes right, HEAT is the main problem, it just so happens alot of that heat does come from the GPU.

So, my post was wrong because I said the GPU was the problem, and the main problem is heat stemming from the GPU? Yup, I feel so stupid, look how wrong I was.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="SkullboyX"]

1) They already replaced the CPU, that why the #s dropped from 30% to 15%

2) HEAT is the main problem of the RRoD

Andrew_Xavier

Again,
if the number had dropped by that much, it'd be heavily reported in the media, and by M$ as a major success, it has not been, people just "assume" it dropped.

Doesn't matter, he already showed your post was wrong, and hes right, HEAT is the main problem, it just so happens alot of that heat does come from the GPU.

So, my post was wrong because I said the GPU was the problem, and the main problem is heat stemming from the GPU? Yup, I feel so stupid, look how wrong I was.

No, HEAT is the main problem, no matter where it comes from, wether it be poor cooling, ineffective Heat Sinks, its HEAT, regardless of where it comes form.

This is what you said: "See, the GPU causes the RRoD, not the CPU", which is wrong, heat is the problem, the GPU is just one of the reasons for the problem.

Copy and pasted, deal with it:

The rrod happens to an Xbox 360 system when one or more system components permanently fail. A lot of people, especially those not computer savvy, have jumped to conclusions that the reason for the rrod is overheating but that is not the case with the rrod because if it were overheating, letting it cool off would be good enough until it overheated again (not to mention the Xbox 360 has a seperate indication for overheating which would be 2 blinking red lights in the 1 and 3 quadrants rather than three lights in the 1, 2, and 3 quadrants).

The real reason for the 3 red lights of failure is a result of long term heat of the CPU and the GPU against the motherboard that caused it to "bow" or "warp". This warping issue causes the lead-free solders that were used to mount the motherboard to have lots of tension on them. After it too having long exposure to elevated temperatures, the solders become brittle and develop hair-line cracks that are almost irreparable. It isn't until the hair-line cracks form that you get the red ring of death. So is the system having heat issues where the parts are failing due to heat? No. The system is actually failing because of irregular behavior in the motherboard that was mounted.

Copy and pasted, deal with it:

What Causes The Red Ring of Death?

The rrod happens to an Xbox 360 system when one or more system components permanently fail. A lot of people, especially those not computer savvy, have jumped to conclusions that the reason for the rrod is overheating but that is not the case with the rrod because if it were overheating, letting it cool off would be good enough until it overheated again (not to mention the Xbox 360 has a seperate indication for overheating which would be 2 blinking red lights in the 1 and 3 quadrants rather than three lights in the 1, 2, and 3 quadrants).

The real reason for the 3 red lights of failure is a result of long term heat of the CPU and the GPU against the motherboard that caused it to "bow" or "warp". This warping issue causes the lead-free solders that were used to mount the motherboard to have lots of tension on them. After it too having long exposure to elevated temperatures, the solders become brittle and develop hair-line cracks that are almost irreparable. It isn't until the hair-line cracks form that you get the red ring of death. So is the system having heat issues where the parts are failing due to heat? No. The system is actually failing because of irregular behavior in the motherboard that was mounted.

Andrew_Xavier

That even says what I'm saying, HEAT from the GPU and CPU, which can be caused from a poor heat sink and poor cooling, the hotter the chips get, the higher the chance it will warp the Mobo.

EDIT: Wheres the link? I want to see who this is from.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

Copy and pasted, deal with it:

What Causes The Red Ring of Death?

The rrod happens to an Xbox 360 system when one or more system components permanently fail. A lot of people, especially those not computer savvy, have jumped to conclusions that the reason for the rrod is overheating but that is not the case with the rrod because if it were overheating, letting it cool off would be good enough until it overheated again (not to mention the Xbox 360 has a seperate indication for overheating which would be 2 blinking red lights in the 1 and 3 quadrants rather than three lights in the 1, 2, and 3 quadrants).

The real reason for the 3 red lights of failure is a result of long term heat of the CPU and the GPU against the motherboard that caused it to "bow" or "warp". This warping issue causes the lead-free solders that were used to mount the motherboard to have lots of tension on them. After it too having long exposure to elevated temperatures, the solders become brittle and develop hair-line cracks that are almost irreparable. It isn't until the hair-line cracks form that you get the red ring of death. So is the system having heat issues where the parts are failing due to heat? No. The system is actually failing because of irregular behavior in the motherboard that was mounted.

Nagidar

That even says what I'm saying, HEAT from the GPU and CPU, which can be caused from a poor heat sink and poor cooling, the hotter the chips get, the higher the chance it will warp the Mobo.

Yeah I know.
Doesn't end the fact that the gpu is a serious contributing factor.

Agreed. The 360 beat PS3 into the ground in 2007 with games.
darkslider99

The PS3 beat the 360 in worldwide sales with no games. I'd hate to see the massacre when Sony arms their console with games.

[QUOTE="darkslider99"]Agreed. The 360 beat PS3 into the ground in 2007 with games.
gravipad621

The PS3 beat the 360 in worldwide sales with no games. I'd hate to see the massacre when Sony arms their console with games.

The only console that is massacring anything this gen is the Wii :D
Seriously.

[QUOTE="Nagidar"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"]

Copy and pasted, deal with it:

What Causes The Red Ring of Death?

The rrod happens to an Xbox 360 system when one or more system components permanently fail. A lot of people, especially those not computer savvy, have jumped to conclusions that the reason for the rrod is overheating but that is not the case with the rrod because if it were overheating, letting it cool off would be good enough until it overheated again (not to mention the Xbox 360 has a seperate indication for overheating which would be 2 blinking red lights in the 1 and 3 quadrants rather than three lights in the 1, 2, and 3 quadrants).

The real reason for the 3 red lights of failure is a result of long term heat of the CPU and the GPU against the motherboard that caused it to "bow" or "warp". This warping issue causes the lead-free solders that were used to mount the motherboard to have lots of tension on them. After it too having long exposure to elevated temperatures, the solders become brittle and develop hair-line cracks that are almost irreparable. It isn't until the hair-line cracks form that you get the red ring of death. So is the system having heat issues where the parts are failing due to heat? No. The system is actually failing because of irregular behavior in the motherboard that was mounted.

Andrew_Xavier

That even says what I'm saying, HEAT from the GPU and CPU, which can be caused from a poor heat sink and poor cooling, the hotter the chips get, the higher the chance it will warp the Mobo.

Yeah I know.
Doesn't end the fact that the gpu is a serious contributing factor.

No, but it changes the fact that you said the GPU was the cause. Which is false, its heat on the Mobo.

[QUOTE="darkslider99"][QUOTE="SkullboyX"]

I think this just proves that a brandname can sell a console better than the actual game on it.

Andrew_Xavier

Also in hardware failure rate, just ask the GDC :D
Yes, it sold 10 mil faster than 360,
but way slower than Wii :D

[QUOTE="gravipad621"]

[QUOTE="darkslider99"]Agreed. The 360 beat PS3 into the ground in 2007 with games.
Andrew_Xavier

The PS3 beat the 360 in worldwide sales with no games. I'd hate to see the massacre when Sony arms their console with games.

The only console that is massacring anything this gen is the Wii :D
Seriously.

It absolutely is. I have one, but sadly the only game worth playing for me is SMG.

[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="darkslider99"][QUOTE="SkullboyX"]

I think this just proves that a brandname can sell a console better than the actual game on it.

darkslider99

Also in hardware failure rate, just ask the GDC :D
Yes, it sold 10 mil faster than 360,
but way slower than Wii :D

Matter of opinion, 2/3 of my ps3 favs are not multiplats, Folklore & Uncharted,
but yeah, the 360 has the strongest line up in gaming @ this current moment,
worst hardware, best game line up, it's like a cruel practical joke.

Matter of opinion, 2/3 of my ps3 favs are not multiplats, Folklore & Uncharted,
but yeah, the 360 has the strongest line up in gaming @ this current moment,
worst hardware, best game line up, it's like a cruel practical joke.

Andrew_Xavier