I Really Believe Sony NGP Will Be The Portable King This Time

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#51 deactivated-6040149309c71
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[QUOTE="TigerWars"]It's going to be interesting to say the least. If NGP is priced competively they MAY just have a chance of winning. The dual analogs coupled with strong visuals might just be enough for them.

3DS for me all the way though. I can honestly say I will never buy a NGP no matter how many good games there are. I'll have a 3DS and a 360 to keep me happy.garland51

Same here. I too, also have a 360 & am also planning to buy a 3DS. I would like to buy the NGP, but it's got to prove to me that it'll have it's own library of games. And what I mean by that is, there can't be too many ports, because what would be the purpose of me buying it if all it's going to be is a bunch of downgraded PS3/360 games from 3rd parties (such as Lost Planet 2)? I can play those exact same games, undowngraded, on my 360 with better graphics.

I hope, by the list of devs they have for it right now, that it will get some good, non ported games. If they dont, then wth are the 80+ devs they had lined up doing?

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#52 Mrmccormo
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You're placing too much emphasis on hardware. How it's used is what's relevant.Rekunta
If this was 2006 and this was a PSP vs DS thread, I'd agree with you. However, the 3DS IS putting a huge emphasis on hardware, too. But instead of pure graphics, they're emphasizing 3D and little hardware doodads like cameras placed all over the system. They're showing off some of the same Augmented Reality concepts that have already been demoed and used in the original PSP, and pretty much every game is a port...."BUT IN 3D!!!!"
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#53 wakefulness
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There will be some people that will sturggle not to get an NGP however, when they're experiences on they're mobiles begin to run thin and they want to take their Ps3 games on the go, they will want the NGP. Even with all new audiences who don't want either, the unique libraries form developers that will utilize all the tools like AR, touch panels, and the display will appeal to everyone in between.

Than of course there is the cheap skates rather the gamers that want to play but, do not want to spend a lot of money. For them, there are PSP greatest hits, Ps1 classics, Mini's, Playstation Suite and free demo's on the PSN. The library for these things are in the hundreds range on the PSN. With Playstation Suite launching on the NGP, it should launch even more.

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Of all the things we've witnessed this generation, people are still second guessing Nintendo. The Nintendo 3DS is designed to curb stomp Sony from the handheld market, consolidate Japanese 3rd party support, and leverage its success for Nintendos' next console. Get it through your heads Sony fans, Nintendo is back on top whether you like it or not!

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#55 Kashiwaba
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Sony isn't really building a handheld for children though. And children are the primary users for handhelds. Sony isn't going to "beat" Nintendo, because they're not trying to. They're trying to secure territory Nintendo has less control over and make a profit on that.

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I guess this is really what SONY is planning and somehow their plan succeded with PSP but in Japan only but the rest of the wprld it failed.

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#56 Kashiwaba
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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

But what if iPhone conquers and defeats both, the 3DS and the NGP? :P

wakefulness

iPhone sales might go up but, at least Playstion has it's assets covered when it comes to game related business.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lvYTiBqzuc&playnext=1&list=PLD3F6D55AAF6BF001

iphone is having problems securing its own land with Android phones eating its market share rapidly WW lol.

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#57 deactivated-57af49c27f4e8
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Everybody is saying that the NGP is going to dominate because of how powerful it is.Thats the exactly the same thing people said back when the PSP launched.Im calling it now,the NGP will end up like the PSP.

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ngp has dual analog, it's now open to the fps market which like it or not = lots of sales
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Of all the things we've witnessed this generation, people are still second guessing Nintendo. The Nintendo 3DS is designed to curb stomp Sony from the handheld market, consolidate Japanese 3rd party support, and leverage its success for Nintendos' next console. Get it through your heads Sony fans, Nintendo is back on top whether you like it or not!

InfinityMugen
Actually, I think they have every reason to second guess Nintendo. While Wii has done overall pretty well, lately it has fallen off being consistently outsold in both US and Japan the last while, and the overall library just isn't compelling. DS has also done exceptionally well, but market share wise, Nintendo actually lost ground, both to Sony, and to the mobile device market, losing their effective stranglehold on that market. I have no doubt that 3DS will do well, and has the best shot at winning, but I also think that they will continue this trend of losing group. I don't even know what the heck they'll do next console as they are out of gimmicks and have lost a lot of player support.
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[QUOTE="wakefulness"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

But what if iPhone conquers and defeats both, the 3DS and the NGP? :P

Kashiwaba

iPhone sales might go up but, at least Playstion has it's assets covered when it comes to game related business.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lvYTiBqzuc&playnext=1&list=PLD3F6D55AAF6BF001

iphone is having problems securing its own land with Android phones eating its market share rapidly WW lol.

The Playstation Suite service will initially be on Android devices and PS certified devices and could expend to other devices and maybe other OS's.

Sony hasn't clarified which ones but, Xperia Play will get it soon enough and then the NGP will have it at launch.

A small preview of things that might be on PSS would be to look at some of PS1 greatest hits as well as the 50 games (20 publisher backed) on the Xperia Play.

PSS hopefuls:

Ace Attourney

Angry Birds

Infinity Blade

Minecraft

Illusia

Basically, the best scenerio would be for any and all mobile developers to join onto the PSS. Also, fair pricing and no game over $15 USD.

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The only thing that killed the PSP was piracy, thats why developers jumped ship. When it first came out, PSP had a pretty good run against the DS, and lets not forget it sold 60 million units in just over 5 years. Thats a lot of sales for a 'failed' product and it does have some very good titles. Sony just need to launch it at a decent price and combat the piracy, if they can there will be plenty of software on it.

In terms of beating the 3DS I'm not sure. Personally I think the 3DS will follow the DS route and be a huge success. However with all the negative implications of its main selling point (3D), lackluster battery and region locking; there is definitely potential for a flop.

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The only thing that killed the PSP was piracy, thats why developers jumped ship. When it first came out, PSP had a pretty good run against the DS, and lets not forget it sold 60 million units in just over 5 years. Thats a lot of sales for a 'failed' product and it does have some very good titles. Sony just need to launch it at a decent price and combat the piracy, if they can there will be plenty of software on it.

In terms of beating the 3DS I'm not sure. Personally I think the 3DS will follow the DS route and be a huge success. However with all the negative implications of its main selling point (3D), lackluster battery and region locking; there is definitely potential for a flop.

Asim90

Sony PS probably already have an anit-piracy crew but, just recently they announced that they are openly hiring more people with the appropriate skills (in development and online database searches, etc) to stop anymore future hacks and possible piracy.

These efforts will more than likely go towards the NGP as much as the Ps3. Ultimatly, if any individual or group wishes to hack a device like the NGP, S3, 3DS, and they have the know how and resoures, it would only be a matter of time before they do so. The only thing Sony (or any other company such as that) could do once a harware is cirumvented is ship out new hardware and software and sue those who may have taken part in the hacking as well as throw out warning to those with hacked hardware.

Piracy is a whole other thing though. The 3DS got hacked day one which is kind of strange as it either means hackers are very good or Nintendo is very bad with piracy. Whoa, if something like that happened to Sony it would be aweful. Nearly all PSP updates took at least a few weeks to crack with the PSP 3k and SP Go lating apporximatly a year or so.

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The only thing that killed the PSP was piracy, thats why developers jumped ship. When it first came out, PSP had a pretty good run against the DS, and lets not forget it sold 60 million units in just over 5 years. Thats a lot of sales for a 'failed' product and it does have some very good titles. Sony just need to launch it at a decent price and combat the piracy, if they can there will be plenty of software on it.

In terms of beating the 3DS I'm not sure. Personally I think the 3DS will follow the DS route and be a huge success. However with all the negative implications of its main selling point (3D), lackluster battery and region locking; there is definitely potential for a flop.

Asim90
DS didn't have as much piracy? If people can chose between a platform with or without piracy, people will buy the one with piracy.
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3D is too gimmicky IMO, an ultimately it does not add enough to the experience to justify the extra cost. Everything i've seen of the NGP so far is useful stuff that will actually make the games better.
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It's coming out in second place. It already failed to be #1. They're late to the party.
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#65 wakefulness
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There is a very low chance too many games will be announced for the NGP at GDC this week.

F1 2011 was announced earlier as a launch title for the NGP (and for the 3DS) in Q4. The best stuff from Mr. Hideo Kojima, Capcom, Atlus, Epic and other game makers should be at E3 (4 and a half months from now).

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Most support for handhelds comes from japan, the 3DS will win again, I don't think japan Dev's will take to the NGP, it will cost the same to make a game on that as a home console

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#67 wakefulness
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. . . I don't think japan Dev's will take to the NGP, it will cost the same to make a game on that as a home console

Supabul

Not true, buddy. :)

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It's coming out in second place. It already failed to be #1. They're late to the party.LOXO7
So was the Wii.
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Im pretty happy with my psp, and in fact i played it a whole lot more than my DS. Was a "king" in my opinion

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[QUOTE="Asim90"]

The only thing that killed the PSP was piracy, thats why developers jumped ship. When it first came out, PSP had a pretty good run against the DS, and lets not forget it sold 60 million units in just over 5 years. Thats a lot of sales for a 'failed' product and it does have some very good titles. Sony just need to launch it at a decent price and combat the piracy, if they can there will be plenty of software on it.

In terms of beating the 3DS I'm not sure. Personally I think the 3DS will follow the DS route and be a huge success. However with all the negative implications of its main selling point (3D), lackluster battery and region locking; there is definitely potential for a flop.

wakefulness

Sony PS probably already have an anit-piracy crew but, just recently they announced that they are openly hiring more people with the appropriate skills (in development and online database searches, etc) to stop anymore future hacks and possible piracy.

These efforts will more than likely go towards the NGP as much as the Ps3. Ultimatly, if any individual or group wishes to hack a device like the NGP, S3, 3DS, and they have the know how and resoures, it would only be a matter of time before they do so. The only thing Sony (or any other company such as that) could do once a harware is cirumvented is ship out new hardware and software and sue those who may have taken part in the hacking as well as throw out warning to those with hacked hardware.

Piracy is a whole other thing though. The 3DS got hacked day one which is kind of strange as it either means hackers are very good or Nintendo is very bad with piracy. Whoa, if something like that happened to Sony it would be aweful. Nearly all PSP updates took at least a few weeks to crack with the PSP 3k and SP Go lating apporximatly a year or so.

Probably one of the strongest means to keep piracy in check would be to use secure channels at various points in the system. If the NGP's game cards use a proprietary design (a likely move--that's an anti-piracy step in and of itself), at least a couple pins on those cards could contain direct links to a cryptoprocessor. Cryptoprocessors are some of the toughest security nuts to crack because it neither transmits nor receives anything in the clear. Just postulating here, but I wouldn't put it past Sony to put some form of cryptoprocessor into the NGP.
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#71 wakefulness
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[QUOTE="wakefulness"]

[QUOTE="Asim90"]

The only thing that killed the PSP was piracy, thats why developers jumped ship. When it first came out, PSP had a pretty good run against the DS, and lets not forget it sold 60 million units in just over 5 years. Thats a lot of sales for a 'failed' product and it does have some very good titles. Sony just need to launch it at a decent price and combat the piracy, if they can there will be plenty of software on it.

In terms of beating the 3DS I'm not sure. Personally I think the 3DS will follow the DS route and be a huge success. However with all the negative implications of its main selling point (3D), lackluster battery and region locking; there is definitely potential for a flop.

HuusAsking

Sony PS probably already have an anit-piracy crew but, just recently they announced that they are openly hiring more people with the appropriate skills (in development and online database searches, etc) to stop anymore future hacks and possible piracy.

These efforts will more than likely go towards the NGP as much as the Ps3. Ultimatly, if any individual or group wishes to hack a device like the NGP, S3, 3DS, and they have the know how and resoures, it would only be a matter of time before they do so. The only thing Sony (or any other company such as that) could do once a harware is cirumvented is ship out new hardware and software and sue those who may have taken part in the hacking as well as throw out warning to those with hacked hardware.

Piracy is a whole other thing though. The 3DS got hacked day one which is kind of strange as it either means hackers are very good or Nintendo is very bad with piracy. Whoa, if something like that happened to Sony it would be aweful. Nearly all PSP updates took at least a few weeks to crack with the PSP 3k and SP Go lating apporximatly a year or so.

Probably one of the strongest means to keep piracy in check would be to use secure channels at various points in the system. If the NGP's game cards use a proprietary design (a likely move--that's an anti-piracy step in and of itself), at least a couple pins on those cards could contain direct links to a cryptoprocessor. Cryptoprocessors are some of the toughest security nuts to crack because it neither transmits nor receives anything in the clear. Just postulating here, but I wouldn't put it past Sony to put some form of cryptoprocessor into the NGP.

No. There will more than likely be just a propriatery shaped (flash based) card. There is no need for all that because as valueable as each game is, the resources and RND to implement such as cryptoprocessors would (presumably) cost a lot more than the simple and alreadysafe solution of what Sony has with it's proprietary cards, encryption backed codes, and OFW backed software. The 3G feature and GPS should also scare users who even think about hacking their NGP device.

The only thing that should worry people who own physical copies is that the NVG card is flash based so, it likely will not stand up to very very hot conditions very well. Some memory content on it could be corrupted as a consequence. No more so than a Nintendo's game card but, still something of not for those that owned UMD's which could stand up to anything but scratches. Dealing with cards is a whole different business for Sony users however, the prospect saving games and DLC on the very same game purchased at stores will easily console the fears of dropping optical formats.

Also some more news and facts to inform those spreading malicious NGP rumors,

[Top creators loving NGP]

[3rd Party support]

[Sony's official NGP tools: 'Easy to set up with exstensive funtionality']

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[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="wakefulness"]

Sony PS probably already have an anit-piracy crew but, just recently they announced that they are openly hiring more people with the appropriate skills (in development and online database searches, etc) to stop anymore future hacks and possible piracy.

These efforts will more than likely go towards the NGP as much as the Ps3. Ultimatly, if any individual or group wishes to hack a device like the NGP, S3, 3DS, and they have the know how and resoures, it would only be a matter of time before they do so. The only thing Sony (or any other company such as that) could do once a harware is cirumvented is ship out new hardware and software and sue those who may have taken part in the hacking as well as throw out warning to those with hacked hardware.

Piracy is a whole other thing though. The 3DS got hacked day one which is kind of strange as it either means hackers are very good or Nintendo is very bad with piracy. Whoa, if something like that happened to Sony it would be aweful. Nearly all PSP updates took at least a few weeks to crack with the PSP 3k and SP Go lating apporximatly a year or so.

wakefulness

Probably one of the strongest means to keep piracy in check would be to use secure channels at various points in the system. If the NGP's game cards use a proprietary design (a likely move--that's an anti-piracy step in and of itself), at least a couple pins on those cards could contain direct links to a cryptoprocessor. Cryptoprocessors are some of the toughest security nuts to crack because it neither transmits nor receives anything in the clear. Just postulating here, but I wouldn't put it past Sony to put some form of cryptoprocessor into the NGP.

No. There will more than likely be just a propriatery shaped (flash based) card. There is no need for all that because as valueable as each game is, the resources and RND to implement such as cryptoprocessors would (presumably) cost a lot more than the simple and alreadysafe solution of what Sony has with it's proprietary cards, encryption backed codes, and OFW backed software. The 3G feature and GPS should also scare users who even think about hacking their NGP device.

The only thing that should worry people who own physical copies is that the NVG card is flash based so, it likely will not stand up to very very hot conditions very well. Some memory content on it could be corrupted as a consequence. No more so than a Nintendo's game card but, still something of not for those that owned UMD's which could stand up to anything but scratches. Dealing with cards is a whole different business for Sony users however, the prospect saving games and DLC on the very same game purchased at stores will easily console the fears of dropping optical formats.

Also some more news and facts to inform those spreading malicious NGP rumors,

[Top creators loving NGP]

[3rd Party support]

[Sony's official NGP tools: 'Easy to set up with exstensive funtionality']

Well, proprietary formats can only take you so far, as determined hackers have shown both the determination and ingenuity to kludge together the means to read the data from the cards. I wasn't thinking on anything expensive for an encryption implementation: just come channel by which nothing significant (like a private key) ever leaves the unit. That way, even if you can read it, it's useless to you without the private key, which should never leave the processor unit in which it's stored.

BTW, just because it's a tiny form factor doesn't mean the media has to be Flash-based. They can still use ROM chips, which I believe are more resistant to heat. Besides, doesn't optical media have its own heat-sensitivity issues?

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i think mobile devices (iOS/Andriod etc) are the new portable kings as they are actually portable and without carrying a bag with me the NGP and 3DS are NOT portable imo. plus the games for both NGP and 3DS are WAY to expensive.

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#74 ArchoNils2
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It's pretty obvious that Apples iOS devices are *Portable Kings*, when it comes to *handheld king* I guess it's hard. Sure the NGP is superior in every aspect (besides the 3D), but the 1 year head start of the 3DS and the launch window lineup of the 3DS are great and will probably lead to good sales (even though I predict they won't come close to the DS in the same time because kids tend to rather get an iOS device instead of a handheld) and I guess 3rd party support will be big on the 3DS

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#75 Lucianu
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Won't buy neither since i don't care for handheld gaming.. I don't play games on the go, wen i'm on the go i take a break from gaming.

But can't resist..

The 3DS processor speed tops out a just over 200mhz

Slimmin360

The 3DS has a ARM11@532Mhz processor though.. We also know it has a PICA200 GPU clocked at 200Mhz, but i can't find any legit sources for it's VRAM. But we do know it supports alpha blending, full-scene antialiasing, and other features. We also know it has 96MB of RAM dedicated to games. For comparison sakes, the PS2 had a CPU 'Emotion Engine' at 294Mhz, 32MB of RAM, and 4MB of VRAM clocked at 147Mhz. And we know some 3DS games look better than PS2 games.. Seen that RE: Mercenaries gameplay video?

That, by far, ain't bad for neither graphic freaks, or casual gamers. Even though the PSP2 is like 2-3 times more powerful, and has much more RAM, hardware ain't a good indication of a handheld's success.

But remember how superior the PSP was to the DS?

DS specs:

  • CPU: Two ARM proccesors, 67 MHz ARM9 and 33 MHz ARM7
  • RAM: 4 MB
  • Video RAM: 656 kilobytes of video memory.

PSP specs:

  • CPU: 333 MHz R4000-based CPU (hardware was forced to run more slowly though, all games only ran at 222Mhz, up until 2007, wen Sony removed that limitation so games were running at full 333Mhz)
  • RAM: 32MB
  • Video RAM: 2MB of VRAM running at 166Mhz.

It's exactly like 2005 all over again. In the end, in depends on the games, not on hardware.

Now i hope a specific user on these forums (you know who you are) will stop picking on me for only listing RAM.

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#76 HuusAsking
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i think mobile devices (iOS/Andriod etc) are the new portable kings as they are actually portable and without carrying a bag with me the NGP and 3DS are NOT portable imo. plus the games for both NGP and 3DS are WAY to expensive.

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Phones will never overtake portable gaming devices without dedicated gaming controllers. The need for precise controls that don't block the screen pretty much require them.
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While I do believe the 3D will end up hurting as much as it helps in the long run, I think it is going to take more than that for 3DS to drop below NGP (although I do expect an even closer fight). Nintendo has an absolute ton of momentum going in the handheld market, and it will take them seriously dropping the ball to lose them the lead position. DerekLoffin
The Psp has 1/3rd of the market, the DS has 2/3rd of the market, so that is 33% to 66%...If it was 20/80 or 15/85 Coolyfett would say the Nintendo DS Owned the market, but they do not. Even with this new systems, Coolyfett would still say it be something like 40/60 in Nintendos favor...They have the cheaper device. Cheaper always sells more. The PSP is still a better handheld. This gimmicks are comical at best. Why would any real gamer choose 3D over higly detailed HD?? They say it will hurt peoples eyes, but is there solid proof of this?
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#78 Lucianu
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Why would any real gamer choose 3D over higly detailed HD??Coolyfett

960×544 isn't HD though..

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#79 slothboyadvance
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Did Nintendo sell the Pokemon, Mario and Zelda properties to Sony? Because that's the only way Sony will win the handheld war.

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#80 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]While I do believe the 3D will end up hurting as much as it helps in the long run, I think it is going to take more than that for 3DS to drop below NGP (although I do expect an even closer fight). Nintendo has an absolute ton of momentum going in the handheld market, and it will take them seriously dropping the ball to lose them the lead position. Coolyfett
The Psp has 1/3rd of the market, the DS has 2/3rd of the market, so that is 33% to 66%...If it was 20/80 or 15/85 Coolyfett would say the Nintendo DS Owned the market, but they do not. Even with this new systems, Coolyfett would still say it be something like 40/60 in Nintendos favor...They have the cheaper device. Cheaper always sells more. The PSP is still a better handheld. This gimmicks are comical at best. Why would any real gamer choose 3D over higly detailed HD?? They say it will hurt peoples eyes, but is there solid proof of this?

I'm pretty sure they've done studies based on 3D cinema. The 3DS tech isn't so much different that lessons learned in those studies wouldn't apply here.
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#81 HuusAsking
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Did Nintendo sell the Pokemon, Mario and Zelda properties to Sony? Because that's the only way Sony will win the handheld war.

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Sony has properties of its own. If they can leverage the likes of Little Big Planet, Killzone, and so on, they could still have edges of their own. An always-on 3G connection can help, too, with web integration and PS3/PSN integration. Being able to do Android, too, gives it versatility (take it from an Android user--there are all sorts of things you can do).
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#82 slothboyadvance
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[QUOTE="slothboyadvance"]

Did Nintendo sell the Pokemon, Mario and Zelda properties to Sony? Because that's the only way Sony will win the handheld war.

HuusAsking

Sony has properties of its own. If they can leverage the likes of Little Big Planet, Killzone, and so on, they could still have edges of their own. An always-on 3G connection can help, too, with web integration and PS3/PSN integration. Being able to do Android, too, gives it versatility (take it from an Android user--there are all sorts of things you can do).

Nintendo's properties have amazing lasting appeal and a much larger consumer base. And I'll admit the NGP has a plethora of cool options and features, but people ultimately buy handhelds for games, and Nintendo has bigger names when it comes to handhelds.

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#83 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="slothboyadvance"]

Did Nintendo sell the Pokemon, Mario and Zelda properties to Sony? Because that's the only way Sony will win the handheld war.

slothboyadvance

Sony has properties of its own. If they can leverage the likes of Little Big Planet, Killzone, and so on, they could still have edges of their own. An always-on 3G connection can help, too, with web integration and PS3/PSN integration. Being able to do Android, too, gives it versatility (take it from an Android user--there are all sorts of things you can do).

Nintendo's properties have amazing lasting appeal and a much larger consumer base. And I'll admit the NGP has a plethora of cool options and features, but people ultimately buy handhelds for games, and Nintendo has bigger names when it comes to handhelds.

So Sony needs to leverage all their networking abilities to take gaming beyond what one would normally think about gaming. Say, combining it with augmented reality or something similar. Nintendo isn't as keen to try that kind of angle while Sony is in prime position with a 3G-capable device.
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#84 monson21502
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ill be buying a psp 2 over a 3ds but wont pay a penney over 150 for either 1 of them:wink: be nice to get one like when i bought a used psp a few months after launch for 100 bucks:)

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#85 monson21502
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[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="slothboyadvance"]

Sony has properties of its own. If they can leverage the likes of Little Big Planet, Killzone, and so on, they could still have edges of their own. An always-on 3G connection can help, too, with web integration and PS3/PSN integration. Being able to do Android, too, gives it versatility (take it from an Android user--there are all sorts of things you can do).HuusAsking

Nintendo's properties have amazing lasting appeal and a much larger consumer base. And I'll admit the NGP has a plethora of cool options and features, but people ultimately buy handhelds for games, and Nintendo has bigger names when it comes to handhelds.

So Sony needs to leverage all their networking abilities to take gaming beyond what one would normally think about gaming. Say, combining it with augmented reality or something similar. Nintendo isn't as keen to try that kind of angle while Sony is in prime position with a 3G-capable device.

that would take effort. something sony doesnt like to do.. just look at psn:P
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#86 Bread_or_Decide
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McDonalds makes kids fat...parents still take them to eat there. Parents aren't going to stop their kids from playing the 3DS.

If it's too expensive as the PSP was then it won't be king.

Pray_to_me
....3DS has the PSP launch price....which everyone agreed was too much at the time and the lower priced DS was the smarter way to go.
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#87 donalbane
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Depends on how they price it. But I am more interested in it than I am for the 3DS, just from a software perspective. I hope they did away with the type B wifi, though...
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#88 deactivated-583e460ca986b
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The 3DS will win the sales war. We all know the NGP will be a great machine but it seems as if Sony took the same route that they did with the PSP. Like the current gen of handhelds, I will own both systems. But I expect the 3DS to take off and never look back. The glassesless 3D is more of an innovation than the rear touch pad and great graphics of the NGP. The oled screen excites me though!
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#89 Coolyfett
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[QUOTE="Mrmccormo"]People forget that the PSP was consistently outselling the DS for a while. When the DS got Nintendogs, the DS Lite revision, and New Super Mario Bros, THAT is when it began to sell really well. I'm not sure whether the PSP2 or 3DS will come out on top, but let's not write off the PSP2 quite yet.

This is true. The DS lite was very sleek & looked like a mini macbook. It was cute & shiny. It will be about price first, games 2nd. 3D vs HD 17 inputs vs 15 inputs. Library wont be a problem for either because of backward capability. The PSP has way more downloadable games than the DS does. With the exception of nerds & their game collections. This handheld war is going to feed the digital download fire that started burning in 09. Coolyfetts question is what will hit the market first 64GB Memory Stick or 64GB SD cards?? Again with 15 inputs between both systems making a game for either unit is going to be easy. Which means many options for both systems. The gap between the Ninteno gamer & Sony gamer may close. Who will be king? Which ever is the cheapest. The masses will buy the cheaper system.
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#90 Slimmin360
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[QUOTE="Fraquelli"]I strongly believe that the NGP will, in the long run, fare better then the PSP. I doubt that it will be the 3DS killer. However, by the end of their life-spans, I think the sales gap between the NGP and 3DS will be smaller then that of the PSP/DS

I whole heartedly agree, thats what i'm saying, the Sony NGP will not by any means crush 3DS sales, but it will put a huge dent in Nintendo's portable market share for the very first time, and who knows, if word of mouth and reviews are really heavy in NGP's favor we could see it having better months in sales here and there over 3DS.
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#91 Slimmin360
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[QUOTE="TigerWars"]It's going to be interesting to say the least. If NGP is priced competively they MAY just have a chance of winning. The dual analogs coupled with strong visuals might just be enough for them. 3DS for me all the way though. I can honestly say I will never buy a NGP no matter how many good games there are. I'll have a 3DS and a 360 to keep me happy.

Not me, it's the exact opposite, i'll have my PS3 and NGP, i will never buy a 3DS....i'll wait to see what Nintendo announces for there next console...then maybe i'll buy that, provided it's a heck of alot more powerful than the Wii.
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#92 Coolyfett
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It will be hard to determine what will happen with the NGP and 3DS because then of the other gens are a good comparison for what this one is. You can't compare this to PSP and the DS. In that gen the PSP had better graphics, but the DS had better price, controls, third party support,and battery life. This gen the 3DS will still have the better price, but that is the only assured thing. As far as controls the NGP one ups the 3DS with an extra analog and touch screen, while the 3DS still has an extra screen. One might argue that the NGP will offer better controls and allow more variety in games than the 3DS, an advantage the PSP sorely lacked. Battery life also looks to be quite similar for both, with the 3DS taking a slight lead if you turn off the 3D. Third party support at this point is also a toss up. Yet again with graphics each handheld is better than the other in certain parts.

So really, this looks to beclose match, as long as Sony supports the NGP well enough. Interesting times are heading our way System Wars, interesting times indeed.

Giant_Panda
Yep You can say that again. Sony has only announced like 15 games for the NGP, but 82 developers have kits and are all making games. Ninteno never said how many Devs they have working on 3DS. Sony is holding 4 Aces & a Joker....E3 is going to be ON! Sony has devs hush hush, they gearing up for E3. Its weird they have 82 devs & only 15 games announced. And we all know some Devs have more than one game coming like EA, Rockstar, Ubisoft, Activision, Capcom, Warner Bros Interactive, Square Enix etc etc...Sony just has to get the smaller guys involved. Nintendo has laid their cards on the table. This year is just the set up. The head to head battle starts in 2012....when we can put both units together & compare.
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#93 Zune_HD
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A system launching earlier, is cheaper, and already has 3rd party support... Why does this look oh so familar, Sony?

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#94 Slimmin360
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A system launching earlier, is cheaper, and already has 3rd party support... Why does this look oh so familar, Sony?

Zune_HD
Oh so you think Nintendo is the only one with 3rd party support ? LOL, not only does Sony have more 3rd party support, but Sony themselves put out more 1st party titles then Nintendo, and there not just the same old rehashes either...like umm Zelda, Mario, Metroid.
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#95 BreakTheseLinks
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[QUOTE="Zune_HD"]

A system launching earlier, is cheaper, and already has 3rd party support... Why does this look oh so familar, Sony?

Slimmin360
Oh so you think Nintendo is the only one with 3rd party support ? LOL, not only does Sony have more 3rd party support, but Sony themselves put out more 1st party titles then Nintendo, and there not just the same old rehashes either...like umm Zelda, Mario, Metroid.

Where do people get this info from? The fact is, at this time, the NGP has practically no games. And way to perpetuate the most moronic notion in SW history. A rehash is a sequel to a game you don't like. I could call every game sequel a rehash.
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#96 wakefulness
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[QUOTE="wakefulness"]

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"]Probably one of the strongest means to keep piracy in check would be to use secure channels at various points in the system. If the NGP's game cards use a proprietary design (a likely move--that's an anti-piracy step in and of itself), at least a couple pins on those cards could contain direct links to a cryptoprocessor. Cryptoprocessors are some of the toughest security nuts to crack because it neither transmits nor receives anything in the clear. Just postulating here, but I wouldn't put it past Sony to put some form of cryptoprocessor into the NGP.HuusAsking

No. There will more than likely be just a propriatery shaped (flash based) card. There is no need for all that because as valueable as each game is, the resources and RND to implement such as cryptoprocessors would (presumably) cost a lot more than the simple and alreadysafe solution of what Sony has with it's proprietary cards, encryption backed codes, and OFW backed software. The 3G feature and GPS should also scare users who even think about hacking their NGP device.

The only thing that should worry people who own physical copies is that the NVG card is flash based so, it likely will not stand up to very very hot conditions very well. Some memory content on it could be corrupted as a consequence. No more so than a Nintendo's game card but, still something of not for those that owned UMD's which could stand up to anything but scratches. Dealing with cards is a whole different business for Sony users however, the prospect saving games and DLC on the very same game purchased at stores will easily console the fears of dropping optical formats.

Also some more news and facts to inform those spreading malicious NGP rumors,

[Top creators loving NGP]

[3rd Party support]

[Sony's official NGP tools: 'Easy to set up with exstensive funtionality']

Well, proprietary formats can only take you so far, as determined hackers have shown both the determination and ingenuity to kludge together the means to read the data from the cards. I wasn't thinking on anything expensive for an encryption implementation: just come channel by which nothing significant (like a private key) ever leaves the unit. That way, even if you can read it, it's useless to you without the private key, which should never leave the processor unit in which it's stored.

BTW, just because it's a tiny form factor doesn't mean the media has to be Flash-based. They can still use ROM chips, which I believe are more resistant to heat. Besides, doesn't optical media have its own heat-sensitivity issues?

Actually, Sony has already confirmed that the card is indeed is flash based. The 'NVG' (code name of the card) was also touted as having "layers of secuity" embedded inside of it.

ROM is more resistance to heat as flash based are rewritable due to the applied voltage of a computer however, many of Nin's game cards do have bits of flash in them for other usage (saves, time data, etc). Even than, it would need to be quite a lot of and in quite a concentrated area of a certain amount of time.

The PSP did have pub. and priv. keys but, for some reason Sony decided to place the priv keys on the PS3 so now, the PSP is open (with some kernal functions removed or something like that). Which is cool if Sony does get the NGP hacked early (highly higly doubtful as DAX and others where so good yet, ultimatly fell off hacking) becaise than more kernal functions can be adjusted/removed to reroute and deter 'brew. And ofcourse the private keys will more than likely stay on the NGP and no other consumer device as there will not be too many reasons for NGP's game library specific content to run on the PS3 like the PSP's mini's needed to run on the PS3. In fact, not to many devices will be able to even handle the NGP's games beasue of it's tech specs and low level API.

Stronger bit encrytion on the NVG card would be great and it should be as strong as possible (while not slowing down the load up time to much). There is also the fact that Sony have some how managed to track with the GPS what games a player is playing, at what time and the exact location. So, if a hacker has all these pirated games, he might have a tendency to hack and he could be reported and if Sony goes back to see the library of games that user has and that his or her PSN account doesn't show much or any purchases AND if each game is assigned a key that gives and that game key is matched on P2P site with these games from other users than, there is no escaping the consequences for that individual. Because either he or she has pirated those games or he or she is the one pirating and that individual can expect a PSN ban a long with other fall backs . . . So, Sony knows where these people are and who they're 3G network carrier is (if they have that model) and if some one has hundred or thousands of dollars worth of pirated games, it is only a matter of sending a letter to their house that they are going to court because they're being sued for grand theft.