Now Im not saying this out of fanboyism I just believe it would benefit the 3rd party developers as well as the games industry. This gen PS3 has really hit the mark on console gaming delivering titles that leave it's competitors looking with envy. When you see the multiplat games majority of them do not do the system justice, in the 2 years PS3 has been in the market Sony has released many tools to aid 3rd party developers. Now I don't know about you guys but I don't think the devs are using these tools since crappy ports still exist. If every 3rd party dev made an exclusive it would help them better understand the system so they can reach the heights of KZ2, MGS4, U2 etc in various areas.
Rockstar are very smart, they knew while making GTA4 that PS3 has ALL these benefits which they are not using due to creating a multiplat title, Im sure Agent is going to blow the mind of gamers with it's HUGE scale. I wholeheartedly believe it will be the successor to GTA.
Why would a dev invest in getting the most out of PS3 when it costs more to dev for, and most likely, they wont sell enough to recoup the investment? Im not saying that this applies to ALL PS3 exclusives because there are exceptions to every rule (MGS4) the overall, PS3 exclusives dont sell as multiplats, or 360 exclusives do. So its a wasted investment. I assume you are referring to PS3 "pushing boundaries" graphics wise, but graphics dont sell games and systems, great gameplay and games do...........Wii, and PS2 are proof of that ;)
The only advantage PS3 games offer over 360 games is superior graphics and it takes a absurd financial investment to reach a noticable advantage over what the 360 offers. The majority of 3d partys simply can not afford this
This thread would have made 1000x more sense if it were about the wii as the small budgets allow the developers to really focus on gameplay and explore the abilitys of motion control.
At this point development on the PS3 has a lot less to do with "how the **** does this thing work?" and a lot more to do with "how much money are we going to sink into this?" It isn't cost effective for anyone but Sony (who get the bonus of being able to wag purdy screenshots in MS's face) to push the PS3 beyond "good enough".
Maybe if Sony funds them. Otherwise they run a BIG risk of losing money on development. Especially when games typically sell better on the 360. Games such as Uncharted 2, more than likely, would have sold tons more on the 360.
The only advantage(two so far) PS3 games offer over 360 games is superior graphics and it takes a absurd financial investment to reach a noticable advantage over what the 360 offers. The majority of 3d partys simply can not afford this
This thread would have made 1000x more sense if it were about the wii as the small budgets allow the developers to really focus on gameplay and explore the abilitys of motion control.
hot114
See what I added in red?Nuff said. Your two games are going to stop carrying you guys very soon and then nothing 2010 beyond.
The big thing is 360's lack of disc space. They always try fitting everything on one disc otherwise they pay extra royalties and that makes them leave out content.
yea basically. a dev who makes an exclusive for a particular platform, of their own volition, better have a very good reason for doin it and squeezing a little bit of extra performance out of the PS3 is not a very good reason. may as well go PC since the hardware is better and the dev is much less constricted than on a console. there are also no licencing fees and devs can use whatever the hell they like to make their game. theres no other reason to make a PS3 exclusive except for a little bit of extra grunt (setting aside sony paying for the exclusive of course). the userbase isnt exactly massive and there doesent seem to be any tangible financial reason to make the game exclusive since exclusives are not exactly outselling multiplats by the boat load on PS3.
The big thing is 360's lack of disc space. They always try fitting everything on one disc otherwise they pay extra royalties and that makes them leave out content.Parasomniac
That is very true but, imagine the price of the 360 if HD DVD would have been standard. The 360 would have been another PS3 except without the brand name recognition.
This thread would have made 1000x more sense if it were about the wii as the small budgets allow the developers to really focus on gameplay and explore the abilitys of motion control.
You make it sound like PS3 exclusives look miles better than everything else on the market. Excluding KZ2 and U2, all the other PS3 exclusives look just as good as most multiplats.
You make it sound like PS3 exclusives look miles better than everything else on the market. Excluding KZ2 and U2, all the other PS3 exclusives look just as good as most multiplats.
PAL360
and let's not forget KZ 2 had a 4 year development and an alleged budget of 60 million
Don't be ridiculous. Most 3rd party developers aren't very rich, & they're not going to go out & develop games exclusively for the PS3 just to make them look better than the 360 versions when it takes more development time & money just to get the most out of graphics. Especially when most PS3 versions of games doesn't exactly sell as well as 360 versions of games do in order to recoup the money that they lost for their projects. You don't want most of them to wind up like Midway did just because of developing games exclusively for the PS3 in which that will be a huge risk.
This thread would have made 1000x more sense if it were about the wii as the small budgets allow the developers to really focus on gameplay and explore the abilitys of motion control.
Burning-Sludge
I endorse this statement.
Practically every 3rd part dev has made a Wii exclusive :P My statement is not really towards the small studios who probably won't be able to afford it (Platinum games etc) but towards known companies like Capcom, Activision etc.
This thread would have made 1000x more sense if it were about the wii as the small budgets allow the developers to really focus on gameplay and explore the abilitys of motion control.
Swift_Boss_A
I endorse this statement.
Practically every 3rd part dev has made a Wii exclusive :P My statement is not really towards the small studios who probably won't be able to afford it (Platinum games etc) but towards known companies like Capcom, Activision etc. konami and capcom are making more and more PC games these days so if they wanted raw power they'd want the PC
This thread would have made 1000x more sense if it were about the wii as the small budgets allow the developers to really focus on gameplay and explore the abilitys of motion control.
Swift_Boss_A
I endorse this statement.
Practically every 3rd part dev has made a Wii exclusive :P My statement is not really towards the small studios who probably won't be able to afford it (Platinum games etc) but towards known companies like Capcom, Activision etc.
Eh, maybe if they want to lose money (or waste it). All third party HD games would benefit from being multiplat. The only system that could really justify having exclusives is the Wii and even that is a stretch all things considered.
Practically every 3rd part dev has made a Wii exclusive :P My statement is not really towards the small studios who probably won't be able to afford it (Platinum games etc) but towards known companies like Capcom, Activision etc.
The only advantage PS3 games offer over 360 games is superior graphics and it takes a absurd financial investment to reach a noticable advantage over what the 360 offers. The majority of 3d partys simply can not afford this
This thread would have made 1000x more sense if it were about the wii as the small budgets allow the developers to really focus on gameplay and explore the abilitys of motion control.
hot114
Making competent Wii games isn't cheap. They also require a marketing budget (which most almost never get) which would be better served if it was multiplat so they could just share the expenses among all the titles. As far as Wii games exploring gameplay and mc, I would have thought people would have given up on that by now, its not going to happen since the Wii is essentially the last platform devs want to work on.
[QUOTE="Swift_Boss_A"]Practically every 3rd part dev has made a Wii exclusive :P My statement is not really towards the small studios who probably won't be able to afford it (Platinum games etc) but towards known companies like Capcom, Activision etc. Skittles_McGee
Those are publishers.
Capcom and Platinum are developers.
Capcom the company is normally referred to as a publisher. Capcom internl is usually used if you want to say dev. Same with Square Enix, it just makes it easier to differentiate.
Capcom the company is normally referred to as a publisher. Capcom internl is usually used if you want to say dev. Same with Square Enix, it just makes it easier to differentiate.
Eh, they're both Capcom to me. Not much point in differentiating if Capcom publishes their own games, to me anyway
[QUOTE="Skittles_McGee"] Capcom and Platinum are developers.Skittles_McGee
Capcom the company is normally referred to as a publisher. Capcom internl is usually used if you want to say dev. Same with Square Enix, it just makes it easier to differentiate.
Eh, they're both Capcom to me. Not much point in differentiating if Capcom publishes their own games, to me anyway
sony should get their head our of their *** and start making consoles under consultation with 3rd party devs like they USED TO.
what the hell do 3rd party dev owe sony? the industry is just fine without sony anyways... before you cry fanboy think about the genesis and how the industry was just fine after sega left...
Make a expensive game then keep it exclusive to the 3rd smallest console audience?
Grand idea...
You do realize these games you refer to only utilize the PS3 because of Sony's direct support? For the 3rd party it would be suicidal to spend the sort of budgets a PS3 utilizing title requires then keep it exclusive.
sony should get their head our of their *** and start making consoles under consultation with 3rd party devs like they USED TO.
what the hell do 3rd party dev owe sony? the industry is just fine without sony anyways... before you cry fanboy think about the genesis and how the industry was just fine after sega left...
3picuri3
I would be sad if Sony left the console arena. I mean when Sega left, Sonic basically ate it. (You don't know how much I love me some Sonic 2 and 3) I wouldn't want any player in the industry gone. Same way I would never want another gen of Sony domination like the last 2. Its not interesting for one thing and it makes the winner too relaxed.
Make a expensive game then keep it exclusive to the 3rd smallest console audience?
Grand idea...
You do realize these games you refer to only utilize the PS3 because of Sony's direct support? For the 3rd party it would be suicidal to spend the sort of budgets a PS3 utilizing title requires then keep it exclusive.
AnnoyedDragon
If the 3rd party was big enough, and liked to lose money, and had no brains, and a massive marketing team, and one of the biggest IPs in gaming . . . Damn it, where was I going with this? Oh yeah, its not suicide but its not smart either. If you want to go exclusive, do so because you're forced, not because you want to is my philosophy.
sony should get their head our of their *** and start making consoles under consultation with 3rd party devs like they USED TO.
what the hell do 3rd party dev owe sony? the industry is just fine without sony anyways... before you cry fanboy think about the genesis and how the industry was just fine after sega left...
ActicEdge
I would be sad if Sony left the console arena. I mean when Sega left, Sonic basically ate it. (You don't know how much I love me some Sonic 2 and 3) I wouldn't want any player in the industry gone. Same way I would never want another gen of Sony domination like the last 2. Its not interesting for one thing and it makes the winner too relaxed.
it was sad when sega left - heck, turbografx even stung a bit. the good thing would be that Sony would maybe focus more on software / games which could be a benefit to all gamers... either way, i'm a firm supporter of a one console world. i think it would be far greater than people assume (lack of competition cliches, etc.) because it would put the focus primarily on the developers, and not the console brands.
lol. And sell about a half million copies. When they could put it on the 360 and sell 2 million. Not good business sense. Especially since it takes lots of extra money to get great ps3 graphics(kz2, uc2). And that the community will be dead in a month. As where on the 360 it'll more likely be thriving and they can make some money off dlc. I'm not trying to be biased here. Just saying its a good business decision for devs to go ps3 only. At least not until people start buying exclusives for it.
So a 3rd party company should make 1 exclusive game each for a console with the lowest sales which means they are not going to get as much money as they would if they made it exclusive to the other consoles or made it multiplat? Where's the logic in that?
i think devs should focus more on quality rather than quantity whether its call of duty, rock band, uncharted, halo, gears, or sports titles. i think games that have some form of a sequel or related title coming out every other year is too soon. especially in games that have like under 10 hours of gameplay.
Now Im not saying this out of fanboyism I just believe it would benefit the 3rd party developers as well as the games industry. This gen PS3 has really hit the mark on console gaming delivering titles that leave it's competitors looking with envy. When you see the multiplat games majority of them do not do the system justice, in the 2 years PS3 has been in the market Sony has released many tools to aid 3rd party developers. Now I don't know about you guys but I don't think the devs are using these tools since crappy ports still exist. If every 3rd party dev made an exclusive it would help them better understand the system so they can reach the heights of KZ2, MGS4, U2 etc in various areas.
Rockstar are very smart, they knew while making GTA4 that PS3 has ALL these benefits which they are not using due to creating a multiplat title, Im sure Agent is going to blow the mind of gamers with it's HUGE scale. I wholeheartedly believe it will be the successor to GTA.Swift_Boss_A
If you only think about graphics, then your logic is distorted beyond reason.
Essentially, every developer should be going after the PC since it's ALWAYS ahead.
Try something I like to call gameplay out, it's quite nice.
The big thing is 360's lack of disc space. They always try fitting everything on one disc otherwise they pay extra royalties and that makes them leave out content.Parasomniac
Yeah. I mean totally. Just look at Oblivion. Or Fallout 3. Or Dragon's Age. Or Tales of Vesperia. I mean total lack of content just to fit on 1 disc. AMIRITE?!?!?!
[QUOTE="Parasomniac"]The big thing is 360's lack of disc space. They always try fitting everything on one disc otherwise they pay extra royalties and that makes them leave out content.mythrol
Yeah. I mean totally. Just look at Oblivion. Or Fallout 3. Or Dragon's Age. Or Tales of Vesperia. I mean total lack of content just to fit on 1 disc. AMIRITE?!?!?!
Look at GTA 4. 6.5 Gb for 50+ hours of content.
Yeah, another 1/2 of a GTA 4 could have been added. Good game to the person who posted lack of content.
I kind of have to chuckle at those here claiming that developing exclusively on PS3 is financial suicide for game companies while developing exclusively for 360 makes all the sense in the world. Are people starting to forget how MS has lost quite a few 1st-party companies rather recently? Where was their big payoff from developing on the "financially superior" console? And why weren't MS's insanely deep pockets able to keep them afloat?
I think devs should make great games, and make them multiplatform.
heysharpshooter
I would agree with you here, but not this gen. The PS3 architecture is too different to PC and 360 this gen. Every PS3 game should be exclusive this gen, sorry guys, but sometimes you gotta be selfish.
I kind of have to chuckle at those here claiming that developing exclusively on PS3 is financial suicide for game companies while developing exclusively for 360 makes all the sense in the world. Are people starting to forget how MS has lost quite a few 1st-party companies rather recently? Where was their big payoff from developing on the "financially superior" console? And why weren't MS's insanely deep pockets able to keep them afloat?nervmeister
Because publicly traded companies usually have subdivisions so that one arm doesnt bring down the entire company. the Entertainment and Gaming division has its own budget, revenue, and responsibilities. They dont have access to MS's "deep pockets". They never had alot of studios, the ones they closed (besides Ensemble) were worthless anyway. They were all consolidated into MGS. They recently bought/opened BigPark, and 343 recently. So they are building this gen because they have the money to do so since the 360 is so successful.........they didnt have that luxury last gen ;)
Why would a dev invest in getting the most out of PS3 when it costs more to dev for, and most likely, they wont sell enough to recoup the investment? Im not saying that this applies to ALL PS3 exclusives because there are exceptions to every rule (MGS4) the overall, PS3 exclusives dont sell as multiplats, or 360 exclusives do. So its a wasted investment. I assume you are referring to PS3 "pushing boundaries" graphics wise, but graphics dont sell games and systems, great gameplay and games do...........Wii, and PS2 are proof of that ;)navyguy21
Agree. These threads are full of fanboyism. TC claims it's not, but seriously, if you can't see this is a business for devs, and the console makers, and that means it comes down to profit, then what else can blind you to believing making PS3 exclusives makes sense for a 3rd party dev? Look at sales, this console, which I own and enjoy, doesn't earn the devs the profit that others can. So why would they leave the other platforms out again?
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