I thought I was told that the XBLA was way better than the Wii VC...

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#1 wok7
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But no, its the other way around. XBLA only has crap while the VC has the real games. I was quite surprised and dissapointed : (
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#2 El_Fanboy
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XBLA cant compete with VC, but that doesn't mean that the games are crap.
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#3 TekkenMaster606
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Real games? You mean games designed to be pure profit so Nintendo does not have to work and put time into developing other content online.


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#4 Spartan070
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I already own most of those games or at least played them. XBLA has fresh new games.
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#5 Ontain
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Real games? You mean games designed to be pure profit so Nintendo does not have to work and put time into developing other content online.


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no that would be virtual items in PS3 Home
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TMNT with online play pwns. Nintendo doesn't even seem to have wifi support for their VC games.
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#7 wok7
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I already own most of those games or at least played them.

Me too though its still far better than the XBLA's barely playable arcade games which are far more overpriced.
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#8 project343
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VC was designed so Nintendo could resell their games for further milkage, nothing more. I absolutely hate the idea.
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[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]Real games? You mean games designed to be pure profit so Nintendo does not have to work and put time into developing other content online.


Ontain
no that would be virtual items in PS3 Home



Last time I checked, Home is free and buying those extra items is not required. fail.


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#10 The_Game21x
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All games on XBLA are crap? :|

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#11 SecretPolice
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          List the new IP'S or retro with full Online MP and or VS modes in HD that are available now for the VC Plzzzzzzzzzz ! ;)
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#12 Tristam22
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[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]Real games? You mean games designed to be pure profit so Nintendo does not have to work and put time into developing other content online.


TekkenMaster606
no that would be virtual items in PS3 Home



Last time I checked, Home is free and buying those extra items is not required. fail.


Last time I checked, we weren't required to buy VC games either. Fail.
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#13 Magical_Guy
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VC was designed so Nintendo could resell their games for further milkage, nothing more. I absolutely hate the idea.project343

It gives people who never played those games a chance to play them. But they are overpriced.

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#14 project343
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Me too though its still far better than the XBLA's barely playable arcade games which are far more overpriced.
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Geometry Wars, Alien Hominid, Assault Heroes, Uno, etc. are 'barely playable'? :?
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#15 TekkenMaster606
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VC was designed so Nintendo could resell their games for further milkage, nothing more. I absolutely hate the idea.project343


Exactly. And it probably has everything to do with Nintendo's fear that third party sales won't generate enough revenue from software fees. It's what happened to the Gamecube.

Why else are they just trickling out the releases slowly? Why not just release an entire catalog all at once?
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#16 TekkenMaster606
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[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"][QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]Real games? You mean games designed to be pure profit so Nintendo does not have to work and put time into developing other content online.


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no that would be virtual items in PS3 Home



Last time I checked, Home is free and buying those extra items is not required. fail.


Last time I checked, we weren't required to buy VC games either. Fail.



So if you don't buy any VC games,  what are you getting for FREE from Nintendo's online service?

The Weather Channel?
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#17 OceanLeet
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Both are pretty good.  Both are overpriced.
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#18 wok7
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lol @ the guy who said some XBLA games were new IP's and actually look different via HD

XD
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#19 El_Fanboy
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Also, all arcade games have online multi player support, along with voice chat and leaderboards. And for the guy above me, there ARE xbla games that are new IPs. i dont understand what your trying to say.
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#20 Spartan070
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lol @ the guy who said some XBLA games were new IP's and actually look different via HD

XD
wok7
:? I don't get that retort, was he lying or something?
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#21 waynehead895
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I Like the idea of VC because I wasn't able to play every Nintendo game having had all accept the Wii. But I Like XBLA better because they add something to old games for replayability. Although I still think VC has better games. Some I already played and really don't have desire to play again.
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#22 VideoGameGuy
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VC was designed so Nintendo could resell their games for further milkage, nothing more. I absolutely hate the idea.project343
You hate the idea? That's kinda sad..i figured every gamer who grew up playing videogames would get a kick out of the VC. You do know that Nintendo isn't the only company who is "milking" their games, right? Sega, Hudson, Konami, Capcom to name a few have games on the VC too.
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#23 wok7
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Those ahceivements and leaderboards are pretty annoying gimmicks too, but oh well : P
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#24 TekkenMaster606
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And I'm sick of hearing people defend Nintendo's business moves with the same old excuse that Nintendo does nothing but gaming, and they don't make nearly as much money as all of the other companies.

Rubbish. Gameboy sold nearly 70 millions units. GBA 75 millions units. And an estimated 36 million DSs sold. Nintendo is making plenty of money.
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#25 The_Game21x
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lol @ the guy who said some XBLA games were new IP's and actually look different via HD

XD
wok7

Geometry Wars isn't a new IP? :|

Cloning Clyde isn't a new IP? :|

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#26 Ontain
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[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]Real games? You mean games designed to be pure profit so Nintendo does not have to work and put time into developing other content online.


TekkenMaster606
no that would be virtual items in PS3 Home



Last time I checked, Home is free and buying those extra items is not required. fail.


neither is buying vc games :roll:
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When did SFII, MK, Doom, Contra, TNT Arcade, Alien Homnid, Defender, Dig Dug, Galaga, Joust, Smash TV, Castlevania, Ms Pac Man, Worms, Marble Blast, Time Pilot, Clonin Clyde, Metal Slug, etc. become crap? What is so special about VC compared to those? Plus LIVE arcade doesn't just have old games there are new ones. With updated graphics, achievements, etc. Nothing like that on VC yet is there?

New IPs incase you were wondering

Marble Blast Ultra, Roboblitz, Cloning Clyde, Wik Fable of Souls, Mutant Storm Reloaded, Alien Hominid, Assualt Hereos, Feeding Frenzy, Hexic HD, Outpost Kaloki X, etc.

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#28 luigigreen
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VC was designed so Nintendo could resell their games for further milkage, nothing more. I absolutely hate the idea.project343
Because XBLA isn't there to make money either. It's there out of the goodness of MS heart. :|
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#29 TekkenMaster606
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[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"][QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]Real games? You mean games designed to be pure profit so Nintendo does not have to work and put time into developing other content online.


Ontain
no that would be virtual items in PS3 Home



Last time I checked, Home is free and buying those extra items is not required. fail.


neither is buying vc games :roll:



So, whatcha getting for free out of the Wii's online then? Weather?

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#30 Deihmos
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But no, its the other way around. XBLA only has crap while the VC has the real games. I was quite surprised and dissapointed : (wok7
The Wii VC only has the exact same games from years ago. The Xbox has remakes with added features like online etc. I can play every single Wii VC on my PC or Xbox for free. Why do people buy them I don't know.
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#31 Ontain
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And I'm sick of hearing people defend Nintendo's business moves with the same old excuse that Nintendo does nothing but gaming, and they don't make nearly as much money as all of the other companies.

Rubbish. Gameboy sold nearly 70 millions units. GBA 75 millions units. And an estimated 36 million DSs sold. Nintendo is making plenty of money.
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all they do in gaming. if they sell at a lose they don't have another division that can support them like MS and Sony have.
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#32 deadmeat59
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vc>>>>>>>>>>>>>xbl
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#33 Ontain
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[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]>
Last time I checked, Home is free and buying those extra items is not required. fail.


TekkenMaster606
neither is buying vc games :roll:



So, whatcha getting for free out of the Wii's online then? Weather?

weather, news, everyone votes. stuff that is about as useless to gaming as Home is.
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#34 wok7
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With Wii's online you get messeging, shoping, and internet browsing. Something you don't even get with the XBL Gold account, Lol.

Also I wouldn't consider clones to be new IP's.
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#35 Spartan070
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vc>>>>>>>>>>>>>xbldeadmeat59
vc = one dimensional, therefore xbla > vc
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#36 TekkenMaster606
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[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]And I'm sick of hearing people defend Nintendo's business moves with the same old excuse that Nintendo does nothing but gaming, and they don't make nearly as much money as all of the other companies.

Rubbish. Gameboy sold nearly 70 millions units. GBA 75 millions units. And an estimated 36 million DSs sold. Nintendo is making plenty of money.
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all they do in gaming. if they sell at a lose they don't have another division that can support them like MS and Sony have.



Their 'console' division has something else supporting it. Handhelds. So why in the world am I reading reports that the Wii was selling at a profit from day one? I hear the hardware cost around $158 to make.

Once again, doubts about the revenue that will be generated from third party software fees. Or else Nintendo would do what everyone else does, and pack lots of great hardware into their box, sell it at a loss, and then let EA, Ubisoft, and everyone else pay the bills.
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#37 BlueFire777
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I already own most of those games or at least played them. XBLA has fresh new games.Spartan070


To be fair, the majority of Xbox Live Arcade games are not new, but updated retro titles with additional features.

The Virtual Console and Xbox Live Arcade prioritize their objectives differently. It would seem that Nintendo strives for a large quantity of (for the most part) quality games with no additional features (termed by some as "milking") while Microsoft is the opposite. I find it odd to solely critiscize Microsoft or Nintendo about their retro gaming procedures when both could learn a few things from their competition.

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#38 Spartan070
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Those ahceivements and leaderboards are pretty annoying gimmicks too, but oh well : Pwok7
How are leaderboards annoying? If you were on one you'd love the idea...
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#39 project343
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[QUOTE="luigigreen"] Because XBLA isn't there to make money either. It's there out of the goodness of MS heart. :|

Making money =/= milking.
You hate the idea? That's kinda sad..i figured every gamer who grew up playing videogames would get a kick out of the VC. You do know that Nintendo isn't the only company who is "milking" their games, right? Sega, Hudson, Konami, Capcom to name a few have games on the VC too.VideoGameGuy
All those companies are putting their franchises to shame through re-releasing, downloadable versions, and however else they suck some extra coin out of their work.
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#40 Deihmos
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With Wii's online you get messeging, shoping, and internet browsing. Something you don't even get with the XBL Gold account, Lol.

Also I wouldn't consider clones to be new IP's.
wok7
Maybe because everyone has a PC and don't care about surfing the web on a console? I can go to weather.com if I want to know the weather. I can play every VC title for free on my Xbox or PC.
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#41 wok7
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vc = one dimensional, therefore xbla > vc

Wut? VC has better 2D and 3D games, lol
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#42 TekkenMaster606
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Where is Sin and Punishment at Nintendo? Why are you not working to create this type of content? 
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#43 wok7
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Making money =/= milking.

By this definition 'milking' is better as its purely for the gamers, so Nintendo is best : )
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#44 pins_basic
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XBLA is better. When Nintendo saw Arcade and decided to do something similar, they should have done the updating for online too. Kicking your friends ass who moved to the other side of the country on MK like you use too back in the day>the same game that I already own. I guess it's good for newbs who haven't played the games back in the day and don't already own the game but for me Arcade is way beter.
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#45 Ontain
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[QUOTE="Ontain"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]And I'm sick of hearing people defend Nintendo's business moves with the same old excuse that Nintendo does nothing but gaming, and they don't make nearly as much money as all of the other companies.

Rubbish. Gameboy sold nearly 70 millions units. GBA 75 millions units. And an estimated 36 million DSs sold. Nintendo is making plenty of money.
TekkenMaster606
all they do in gaming. if they sell at a lose they don't have another division that can support them like MS and Sony have.



Their 'console' division has something else supporting it. Handhelds. So why in the world am I reading reports that the Wii was selling at a profit from day one? I hear the hardware cost around $158 to make.

Once again, doubts about the revenue that will be generated from third party software fees. Or else Nintendo would do what everyone else does, and pack lots of great hardware into their box, sell it at a loss, and then let EA, Ubisoft, and everyone else pay the bills.

the wii costs cost to 200 to make. with no other income than gaming to take a lose of half the hardware you make isn't smart. Sony might take a lose on ps3 but they're not on the psp or the ps2. nor are they taking a lose on every electronic they sell. that's a lot more than just the DS.
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#46 munsoned
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Real games? You mean games designed to be pure profit so Nintendo does not have to work and put time into developing other content online.


TekkenMaster606
amen,im not feeding the hog that is vc.
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#47 Spartan070
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vc = one dimensional, therefore xbla > vc

Wut? VC has better 2D and 3D games, lol
wok7
It only has old games...xbla has old games and new games, plus old games that have been updated with leaderboards and online multiplayer, plus demos etc...
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#48 SecretPolice
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[QUOTE="wok7"]lol @ the guy who said some XBLA games were new IP's and actually look different via HD

XD
Spartan070
:? I don't get that retort, was he lying or something?

LMAO 4real - These boys are losing on every front but yet here they go again.... I dunno? Most be drain Bramage from Wii holding ;)
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But no, its the other way around. XBLA only has crap while the VC has the real games. I was quite surprised and dissapointed : (wok7

I was told G-FAQS users weren't as lame as GS users...

But no, it's the other way around.

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#50 TekkenMaster606
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If Virtual Console games were half the price they are now...

This discussion wouldn't even be happening.