I want to go back to PC

I want to go back to PC but a decent graphics card alone (AMD RADEON HD 6870 for example) costs £184 which is more than the price of an Xbox 360. plus I'd have to buy all the other components and put them all together (Which I've never one before). I could get a AMD RADEON HD 5770 which is quite common in budget gaming machines for £117 but that cards quite date right now and wouldn't last long- especially if you look at the recommended specs for Shogun 2.

Yes I could just buy a PC but most places put in low-end or cheap graphics cards into their products so you end up with a CPU or RAM heavy machine that's poor on graphics. IF you want a machine with good graphics you end up paying a lot more than you would expect.

Also I think sometimes there are far too many options out there with PC- Yes I know it sounds crazy but with consoles you have a couple of different SKUs with identical hardware.

Companies should make MORE gaming PCs and make them simpler, less complicated and stop selling shoddy low end graphics cards and pretend that they are really powerful. YOU should see how a dedicate graphics card like the 5770 is touted on many sites as a powerful card.... it's NOT!

Another Thread about PC :roll: Im just messing with ya. :P

got a 4850 1 gig card here and it handles most games maxxed out at 1920x1200 res :)

The HD 5770 is a very good video card...

PC hardware isn't very difficult to understand... and you can always come visit us at the PC hardware forum...

Buying a pre-built PC for gaming is a stupid idea...

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but the 5770 is a powerful card - compared to consoles. if you don't like it, you're not at all obliged to buy it.

5770 is not powerful ? i own that card and it's maxing everything out

i guess i don't blame you though. pc is not your comfort zone :P

does it max out shogun 2 i hear that's a beast to play. when I used to game on PC i liked to exceed recommended specs if possible and the recommended specs on that game are very high.

who told you a 6870 is needed for good graphics a 5770 1G is good for running games at 1080p at a graphical fidelity and smoothess a 360 can only dream of achieving. a 6870 would really only be a requirment for people gaming at 2560x1600/1440 resolutions at 1920x1200 and below its a good card just going to leave these videos of crysis 1 both running on a 5770 1G at 1920x1080 fully playable

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=carhSWLCaZM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTgIvVs5tYY&feature=related

and the newer game of crysis 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WnNkwNsXeo&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Pc parts are much more expensive in Europe apparently. You can get a 5770 for around $100 here.

does it max out shogun 2 i hear that's a beast to play. when I used to game on PC i liked to exceed recommended specs if possible and the recommended specs on that game are very high.

CwlHeddwyn

the 5770 is quite a lot better than a GTS240. why did you criticise if you did not understand?

does it max out shogun 2 i hear that's a beast to play. when I used to game on PC i liked to exceed recommended specs if possible and the recommended specs on that game are very high.

CwlHeddwyn

The HD 5770 is a very good video card...

PC hardware isn't very difficult to understand... and you can always come visit us at the PC hardware forum...

Buying a pre-built PC for gaming is a stupid idea...

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Tezcatlipoca666

You shouldnt say that actually..NOT everyone wants to build a pc..Its not for everyone.

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The HD 5770 is a very good video card...

PC hardware isn't very difficult to understand... and you can always come visit us at the PC hardware forum...

Buying a pre-built PC for gaming is a stupid idea...

:?

VanDammFan

You shouldnt say that actually..NOT everyone wants to build a pc..Its not for everyone.

Buy PC, pay $50 for a shop or the website to build it. Everything he said is still true, and you don't even have to touch the components.

get a job and learn how to put together a PC (not as hard as it sounds)

[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

The HD 5770 is a very good video card...

PC hardware isn't very difficult to understand... and you can always come visit us at the PC hardware forum...

Buying a pre-built PC for gaming is a stupid idea...

:?

VanDammFan

You shouldnt say that actually..NOT everyone wants to build a pc..Its not for everyone.

then buy a console because you're clearly not getting the maximum performance for your money if you buy prebuilt. you can get close, but never as close as if you build it yourself.

[QUOTE="Tezcatlipoca666"]

The HD 5770 is a very good video card...

PC hardware isn't very difficult to understand... and you can always come visit us at the PC hardware forum...

Buying a pre-built PC for gaming is a stupid idea...

:?

VanDammFan

You shouldnt say that actually..NOT everyone wants to build a pc..Its not for everyone.

It is a stupid idea though. You hardly ever get good value for money with pre-built. Pre-builts almost always come with sub-par quality components (PSU, case, mobo) or are absurdly expensive.

All it takes to build a PC is a little research, some forum assistance for part selection, and a good guide.

"plus I'd have to buy all the other components and put them all together" You don't have a PC just lying around? Did you post from a console? Or waste money on something that is utterly gutless and lacks a pci-e slot/a laptop?

"(Which I've never one before)" PC's are easier to put together than a lego set, all you have to do is buy stuff that's compatible, correct mobo, cpu and ram, and not go cheap on the psu. (wouldn't recommend a cheap case either, sure is a pain if you skimp there)

There are plenty of topics on the PC hardware and pc/mac games (although they're not supposed to be there..) with good builds for certain price ranges, or you can start your own thread there and specify a price range.

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does it max out shogun 2 i hear that's a beast to play. when I used to game on PC i liked to exceed recommended specs if possible and the recommended specs on that game are very high.

Batang_X990

I too own a 5770 card and I can run any games on maximum settings with it so it's fine.

But the 5770 is a powerful card >.>Iantheone

[QUOTE="Iantheone"]But the 5770 is a powerful card >.>CwlHeddwyn

I was told that it would be outdated soon! the 6870 will last a bit longer.

Maybe for the rare PC exclusive games, but console ports won't push it much more than anything else out there (ie crysis) 'til the next gen.

Basically, if you build a computer after all the 3 next gen consoles come out, you won't have to upgrade 'til the next, next gen rolls along, unless you want to, and that can be as little as a video card.

[QUOTE="Iantheone"]But the 5770 is a powerful card >.>CwlHeddwyn

outdated? no....Battlefield 3 doesn't come out for about 8 months, and even then BF3 will be the only game that makes the 5770 struggle a bit. Honestly it probably won't be "outdated" until the next gen of consoles starts coming out

[QUOTE="Iantheone"]But the 5770 is a powerful card >.>CwlHeddwyn

Outdated to an enthusiast maybe. If you really value maxing the big titles like Crysis, BF3, Metro 2033 etc at 1920x1080 or more then you shouldn't even be looking at the HD 6870, nevermind the HD 5770. You should be looking at the HD 6950 minimum.

Most PC gamers are prefectly satisfied with maxing the majority of games. Maxing every single game with high anti-aliasing & high resolution (over 1080p) isn't a concern to most of us.

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"][QUOTE="Iantheone"]But the 5770 is a powerful card >.>MIYAMOTOnext007

outdated? no....Battlefield 3 doesn't come out for about 8 months, and even then BF3 will be the only game that makes the 5770 struggle a bit. Honestly it probably won't be "outdated" until the next gen of consoles starts coming out

[QUOTE="Iantheone"]But the 5770 is a powerful card >.>CwlHeddwyn

[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"][QUOTE="Iantheone"]But the 5770 is a powerful card >.>MIYAMOTOnext007

outdated? no....Battlefield 3 doesn't come out for about 8 months, and even then BF3 will be the only game that makes the 5770 struggle a bit. Honestly it probably won't be "outdated" until the next gen of consoles starts coming out

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[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"] I was told that it would be outdated soon! the 6870 will last a bit longer.CwlHeddwyn

outdated? no....Battlefield 3 doesn't come out for about 8 months, and even then BF3 will be the only game that makes the 5770 struggle a bit. Honestly it probably won't be "outdated" until the next gen of consoles starts coming out

i bought an 8800GTS and it lasted me for 5 years. I have no doubt in my mind that my GTX580 will last me comparable. your card will not struggle in 8 months.

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[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"] I was told that it would be outdated soon! the 6870 will last a bit longer.CwlHeddwyn

outdated? no....Battlefield 3 doesn't come out for about 8 months, and even then BF3 will be the only game that makes the 5770 struggle a bit. Honestly it probably won't be "outdated" until the next gen of consoles starts coming out

Do you Have to run the game maxxed out? I'm not upgrading for BF3, my HD5850 may commit suicide, but I'm sure as hell playing that game on it. It's SO rare for a game to really push a video card, since the Vast majority are ports, BF3 is the only exception, maybe the Witcher 2.Inconsistancy

Lawlz, my 5850 is already committing suicide. To the point, even if a game pushes a video card for max settings, you can still most likely get excellent image quality without max settings.

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[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"] I was told that it would be outdated soon! the 6870 will last a bit longer.CwlHeddwyn

outdated? no....Battlefield 3 doesn't come out for about 8 months, and even then BF3 will be the only game that makes the 5770 struggle a bit. Honestly it probably won't be "outdated" until the next gen of consoles starts coming out

just looked at the price of the 6950 - roughly the same as 2x 5770 cards.

there's just too many options with PC gaming. so many types of CPUs, RAM,PSUs, graphics cards, motherboards, HDD.

how on earth anyone managed decide what to get I don't know!

I want to play Shogun 2 without any problems and I want it to look GOOD but I don't want my machine to be struggle next year when a new game comes out.

can anyone help me?

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[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"] I was told that it would be outdated soon! the 6870 will last a bit longer.CwlHeddwyn

outdated? no....Battlefield 3 doesn't come out for about 8 months, and even then BF3 will be the only game that makes the 5770 struggle a bit. Honestly it probably won't be "outdated" until the next gen of consoles starts coming out

Your starting to come across as if you have an agenda :? I said Battlefiled 3 will make it struggle a bit on max settings, thats ONE game, that will look beautiful on medium. Are you a huge Battlefield 3 fan and a graphics snob???

I have had the 8800gt for years, every game I play looks pretty good on it. The games I play usualy don't even push it (Gary's Mod, CSS, etc). The 5570 makes the 8800gt look like an oudated piece of crap, but the 8800gt satisfies me and the games I like to play on it.

just looked at the price of the 6950 - roughly the same as 2x 5770 cards.

there's just too many options with PC gaming. so many types of CPUs, RAM,PSUs, graphics cards, motherboards, HDD.

how on earth anyone managed decide what to get I don't know!

I want to play Shogun 2 without any problems and I want it to look GOOD but I don't want my machine to be struggle next year when a new game comes out.

can anyone help me?

CwlHeddwyn

My PC has been going on for 3 years without a single update (only had to replace bad RAM, but lifetime warranty :D). Seriously, shop well and smart and you're golden. I built my comp for around $1500 CAD. Not a lot of money at all considering the amount of time I got out of it.

I've got no Agenda! I'm just saying that PC gaming is potentially very confusing for the unimformed. I loved playing Rome: Total War on my laptop (before it broke) I loved Age of Empires 3. I want to play the new Shogun game and other RTS games like World in Conflict and also Rise of Flight looks good. I think PC gaming is VERY good when you've got a GOOD machine. the issue for me is GETTING that good machine!

I am not insulting PC gaming or PC gamers- I'm just saying that getting into it, for me, is confusing. and I have an A-level in computers.

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just looked at the price of the 6950 - roughly the same as 2x 5770 cards.

there's just too many options with PC gaming. so many types of CPUs, RAM,PSUs, graphics cards, motherboards, HDD.

how on earth anyone managed decide what to get I don't know!

I want to play Shogun 2 without any problems and I want it to look GOOD but I don't want my machine to be struggle next year when a new game comes out.

can anyone help me?

Iantheone

Yup. The regulars there are very helpful if you ask me :P

I've got no Agenda! I'm just saying that PC gaming is potentially very confusing for the unimformed. I loved playing Rome: Total War on my laptop (before it broke) I loved Age of Empires 3. I want to play the new Shogun game and other RTS games like World in Conflict and also Rise of Flight looks good. I think PC gaming is VERY good when you've got a GOOD machine. the issue for me is GETTING that good machine!

I am not insulting PC gaming or PC gamers- I'm just saying that getting into it, for me, is confusing. and I have an A-level in computers.

CwlHeddwyn

I've got no Agenda!

CwlHeddwyn

oh okay, we probably just have different beliefs on what the word "struggle" means :P If you buy a good card it will last you for years just like consoles do. Once in awhile a demanding game will come along and raise the bar when it comes to technical graphics. If you can't max that new game out then you go into the options and change a few settings down and then the game will run smooth for you, it might lack some new effects but it will still look amazing graphicaly. Besides the enthusiasts most of the PC gaming community is fine with turning some graphical settings down, its not a bad thing.

When I said "struggle" I meant the 5570 might not get over 30 frames per second in Battlefield 3 on max detail. But if you lower the settings you will get smooth framerates and gameplay and I'm sure the game will look amazing even with some settings on medium :D

I've got no Agenda! I'm just saying that PC gaming is potentially very confusing for the unimformed. I loved playing Rome: Total War on my laptop (before it broke) I loved Age of Empires 3. I want to play the new Shogun game and other RTS games like World in Conflict and also Rise of Flight looks good. I think PC gaming is VERY good when you've got a GOOD machine. the issue for me is GETTING that good machine!

I am not insulting PC gaming or PC gamers- I'm just saying that getting into it, for me, is confusing. and I have an A-level in computers.

CwlHeddwyn

Oh it's this thread again. Remember when System Wars actually had some spark of creativity?

Oh it's this thread again. Remember when System Wars actually had some spark of creativity?

Vesica_Prime

Oh it's this thread again. Remember when System Wars actually had some spark of creativity?

Vesica_Prime

nope, I used to post here about 6 years ago before I came back recently. It was repetitive and obnoxious even back then :? lol

Oh it's this thread again. Remember when System Wars actually had some spark of creativity?

Vesica_Prime

hmm I think what I'll do is save up my money now, wait for BF3 to come out and buy a machine from that custom site in the region of £900-£1000. atm I can only afford £600. I've been tinkering with options on that site and the gaming machines REALLY start getting good in the £800 plus region. When BF3 comes out the performance benchmarks will be available so I can see which medium-end card handles it the best. If I choose wisely and am prepared to pay a bit more it will give my machine more longevity.

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[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"] I was told that it would be outdated soon! the 6870 will last a bit longer.CwlHeddwyn

outdated? no....Battlefield 3 doesn't come out for about 8 months, and even then BF3 will be the only game that makes the 5770 struggle a bit. Honestly it probably won't be "outdated" until the next gen of consoles starts coming out