I would rather see Bad Company 3 before Battlefield 4. BF-Veterans be hatin'

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#1 danish-death
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Yes. I'm going to be the controversial one and say that I would rather want a new BC3 before the next main line BF game. Up until this day I've played BF1942/43, BF2, Heroes, BF:BC1/2 and BF, in other words most of the BF games with the exception of Vietnam and 2142.

So what's this all about? Well the fact is that when Dice released the Bad Company series they aimed for something a little less serious than what we had been used to. The singleplayer campaign(s) were/is thus actually decent, not the best, but very much enjoyable. The multiplayer modes and maps also fit to the target audience (console users) and was thus not a mess in terms of map design.

Along came Battlefield 3. The returning king of the FPS genre. Bigger and better than ever. And it was good. Oh yes I enjoyed BF3 quite a lot when it released. In fact I spent 120 hours within weeks (3-4?) just playing this game - I had no job and my education wouldn't begin until February. I didn't really grow tired of it and don't misunderstand me - I am not hating, not at all.

So what's the problem then you might ask? Plenty I'd say. Or not. really, since they aren't problems per se.

With the release of BF3 something was quite clear once you booted that thing up. It was more mature, more gritty, more blue, more realistic with more realistic sounds. Tons of things the regular/casual gamer wouldn't think about, but things that were different from the BC games.

This is specifically why I want a new Bad Company game:

  • The sound. Yes BF3 is more realistic while BC2 had more in-your-face sounds. They were awesome. They might not be completely true to reality, but I don't mind. It was fun and I liked it. I want my games to be fun (not that BF3 isn't). Most people won't consider this, but there IS a big difference and Dice have stated so themselves. The sound guy from Dice had an interview before the game released and he specificially mentioned this. I miss the sound and considering how huge it has become in the BF series I'd say it's easily one of my main "issues".

Interview with sound guy from Dice - he states the above mentioned near the beginning (around 30 seconds and onward or so):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc8WQsIxhro

  • Maps made with the intention to not target every single type of gamer out there, but with a specific purpose. Don't know what I'm talking about? Why do you think that most people are enjoying the DLC maps in BF3 more than the vanilla maps? Because they were made for a specific purpose, oppose to the vanilla maps that tried to cater to everyone and somewhat failed at this. In Battlefield Bad Company 2 you had maps that were made with consoles in mind and for once this wasn't a bad thing, why? Because they simply just played well for the most part.

  • Deathmatch/Squad Deathmatch was a 100 times better in BC2. The reason is because of the above mentioned - the maps were made with this in mind. It doesn't work out that well in BF3. I never really enjoyed the deathmatch maps in BF3 because it was quite obvious from the get go that they weren't made with that in mind. The (deathmatch) maps in BC2 had a perfect size for 23-32 players (depending on the map), you could easily get from the one end to the other and there were usually more than one way to go. The maps were played out fast while still maintaining the BF atmosphere. In BF3 it just.. doesn't work out that well as already mentioned. Sure they featured "similar" designed maps, but they're still not equally as good.

  • The main issue: Not enough destructibility. When Dice made the Bad Company series they made two things clear - they would focus on awesome sounds and destruction. BF3, being a main line game also features these aspects. The issue? BC2 featured tons of completely destructible houses, in fact you could more or less level entire maps. Without putting much effort into this I can remember (not by name) 5-6 maps that featuresd large areas with houses. You could jump from roof top to roof top. Take advantage of your newly created window or just destroy the last pillar ruining someones hideout. In BF3? It's seen, but very, very limited. The B2K maps featured a lot of glorious destruction, but never in the same way as BC2. Sure you can blow a whole and stuff like that, but it's still not on the same height as the BC2 maps.
  • I liked the motion sensor ball <3

So as you might've understood from all this there are various difference between the two games. They might be minor complaints to some, but they're pretty important to me. I'm NOT saying BF3 is bad. No, it's good in its own right and BF4 will be so too. I'm just saying that I would've rather seen BC3 next year with all these things and BF4 in 2015 or something like that. Both BC2 and BF3 plays good, they just do things differently and I like my alternatives. And no I'm not interested in playing CoD since that's a completely different experience.

I also don't care about the typical BF veteran elitist junk about how deathmatch and Rush doesn't belong in the series. FFS guys it's an FPS game. If killing people for the sake of just killing them doesn't belong here there's something really messed up in your priorities.

TL:DR version

- They changed the sound in BF3 to be more realistic. I want more in-your-face sounds.

Interview with sound guy from Dice - he states the above mentioned near the beginning (around 30 seconds and onward or so):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc8WQsIxhro

Also check this for comparison:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yrE9EWHftpg

- Maps that actually was made for specific purposes and not to cover all types of gamers (issue with BF3 vanilla maps).

- Better Deathmatch/Squad deathmatch maps like those in BC2 (due to above mentioned issue).

- Full destruction/I want to level entire villages like in BC2.

In conclusion, I would rather see a new BC game before BF4. I like both the BC and BF games though.

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Honestly man, I think most people would rather see Bad Company 3 before Battlefield 4. There was public roaming when EA and DIC announced Battlefield 4, I don't think you are alone in your assessment.
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I'd rather see 2143.

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#4 Fear-
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Yeah I'm not reading that, but I also want BF:BC3. BFBC2 >>>>>> BF3
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#5 danish-death
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[QUOTE="Fear-"]Yeah I'm not reading that, but I also want BF:BC3. BFBC2 >>>>>> BF3

I put in a TL;DR version ._.
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#6 danish-death
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Honestly man, I think most people would rather see Bad Company 3 before Battlefield 4. There was public roaming when EA and DIC announced Battlefield 4, I don't think you are alone in your assessment. charizard1605
Well there's no need for the publich to go nuts about BF4. I think most of the reason behind what you said it because they expected more than a 2 year development cycle because this is the *holy* mainline BF series we're talking about. It's silly when in fact Dice have made 2 BC games from BF2 -> BF3. They didn't take so long because the game actually required it, but because they had stuff to do. I want BF4 at a later point in time for different reasons. :)
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#7 True_Chaos_UK
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I want more Vietnam goodness, but I too will like to see BC3 first, With the single player styled on the first Bad Company, just nice wide open levels to play in, no linear bullsh:t, with co-op too. Make it so number one.

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#8 NeonNinja
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I don't like any of them, but at least Bad Company isn't as stupidly serious as other military shooters.

I still chuckle when I think about that "big bong up in the sky."

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#9 BPoole96
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I enojyed Bad Company 2 moreso than BF3

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#10 ultimate-k
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I also like to see Bad company 3, I enjoyed Bad company 2 more than I did with 3.

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#11 Zaibach
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Bad Company 2 had better maps than BF3. which is more fun?

thats subjective,

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Humorous!
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Humorous!freedomfreak
you have the best one-liners.

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#14 Promised_Trini
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I hope to see Bad Company 3 soon or later.

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#15 DarthClark
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Im ready for MW4. fuk BF.
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#16 freedomfreak
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]Humorous!platniumgamer

you have the best one-liners.

Thanks?
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#17 Zaibach
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[QUOTE="platniumgamer"]

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]Humorous!freedomfreak

you have the best one-liners.

Thanks?

I think he has a crush on you.

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#18 Heil68
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I would like that as well, even though I really like BF3.
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#19 freedomfreak
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="platniumgamer"]you have the best one-liners.

Zaibach

Thanks?

I think he has a crush on you.

:oops:
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="platniumgamer"]you have the best one-liners.

Zaibach

Thanks?

I think he has a crush on you.

only sometimes. :oops:

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I gotta agree, though BF3 isn't perfect, its as much serious, modern Battlefield as I need right now and for a while with all the DLC and unlocks it offers. Bad Company 2 was a stellar title that really floored me with just how amazing it was, and the campaign wasn't half bad either. It was goofy and big and fun and dumb and it was (most importantly) balanced (at least after the M60 was nerfed), because while prone and jets and a bajillion gun attachments are great, they do make it much more difficult to balance a game, and though I now prefer more options and attachments, the focus and jungles of Bad Company really made it an absolute joy, and something that worked on both PC and consoles without feeling too big or too small.

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#22 vashkey
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Yeah, I'd like at least some closure to that story. The campaign was certainly more entertaining than Battlefield 3's. And I'd liked the greater focus on destructible environments.
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#23 kweeni
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I want to see another 2142. ( ._.)

And yeah I definitely wouldn't mind another Bad Company either. I really liked the story and would love to see a conclusion to it.

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Yeah, I'd like at least some closure to that story. The campaign was certainly more entertaining than Battlefield 3's. And I'd liked the greater focus on destructible environments.vashkey
I have never been as bored (in a FPS game) as I was in the SP campaign of BF3. it was pretty and not much else. It had something like one tank level where you could drive around at free will. That's not what I'd call BF, even if it's just SP. It shouldn't be impossible to merge the principles of the online MP and a SP campaign.
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#25 RR360DD
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The only thing I miss is the destructability. And if they have that in BF4 then sweet. The server browser system in BF3 is so much better (come to think of it, not sure if BC2 had dedicated servers on console?) and while the selection of maps isnt as good as BC2, Operation Metro alone tops anything. I havent tried the DLC. I also prefer the customisation in BF3, and think the class system is more balanced. Giving Assasult troops ammo packs in BC2 made it too easy. I don't really understand what you meant with the sound though as I think BF3 sounds a lot better, the guns pack more punch.

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#26 AcidSoldner
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I'd rather see BC3 before BF4 as well. I'm not hating on BF3 either but BC2 was a much more focused experience and it was better because of it.
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#27 MacBoomStick
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BF3 is BC3.

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The only thing I miss is the destructability. And if they have that in BF4 then sweet. The server browser system in BF3 is so much better (come to think of it, not sure if BC2 had dedicated servers on console?) and while the selection of maps isnt as good as BC2, Operation Metro alone tops anything. I havent tried the DLC. I also prefer the customisation in BF3, and think the class system is more balanced. Giving Assasult troops ammo packs in BC2 made it too easy. I don't really understand what you meant with the sound though as I think BF3 sounds a lot better, the guns pack more punch.

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Uhm no actually it's the opposite. Just click on the first link - the sound designer talks about how they decided to have less "aggressive" sounds in BF3 compared to BC2. If put up another link that featured comparisons. The sound in BF3 is more realistisc oppose to being more brutal/aggressive in BC2.
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#29 danish-death
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BF3 is BC3.

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No. There's a distinct difference.
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#30 jsmoke03
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never really played the mp player of bc2,but bf3 was decent, so i really can't comment on that...

but i do say that if it was single player wise...i would rather see a bf4 than a bc3....

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I wonder what will be the big selling point for BF4, hopefully a better more open campaign that you can play four player co-op. And ways to practice using the different vehicles. But yeah in principle I like them to switch between the two.
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#32 JohnF111
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I'm with you, give me BC3 before BF4. I loved BC2 and yes that goes for the singleplayer as well, I would welcome BC3.
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#33 JohnF111
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BF3 is BC3.

MacBoomStick
BC3 = Console orientated + a larger focus on SP BF3 = PC orientated with larger focus on MP.
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[QUOTE="MacBoomStick"]

BF3 is BC3.

JohnF111
BC3 = Console orientated + a larger focus on SP BF3 = PC orientated with larger focus on MP.

BF3 = jack of all trades, but master of none (DLC excluded) BC2 = as you said :) Difference being that BF3 tries to cater to console users while also trying to cater to PC users. The result is.. not directly bad, but certainly not optimized the same way as BC2 or BF2 (since BF2 was only released on PC).
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#35 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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I'd rather see EA/Dice more keen to suppor their current game for longer than think about the next one. What happened when Battlefield games used to last ages before their proper sequal came out?

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#36 parkurtommo
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Same here... BC2 was simply amazing... and no blue filter :P

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#37 MW2ismygame
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You are not alone, i too would like BFBC3. I would also like 2143.

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#38 MercenaryMafia
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Agreed. I'd much rather have Bad Company 3.
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#39 Cheleman
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as much as i like the Bad Company games. i'd rather have BF4.

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#40 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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Same here... BC2 was simply amazing... and no blue filter :P

parkurtommo

No joke, Battlefield BC2 was actually the most fun I've had in a BF game. Seems like everything was engineered for pure fun in it.

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#41 PAL360
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BC2 >>> BF3, yes.

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#42 nameless12345
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I'd like to see a BF game with an actually good single-player campaign and not so many QTEs.

The graphics in BF3 are already good enough but the SP mode is boring, short and limited.

There's more potential to the franchise in that aspect imo.

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#43 deactivated-61cc564148ef4
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I'd like to see a BF game with an actually good single-player campaign and not so many QTEs.

The graphics in BF3 are already good enough but the SP mode is boring, short and limited.

There's more potential to the franchise in that aspect imo.

nameless12345

I couldn't care less about Battlefields single player aspect. Dice will never match the pacing and tightness of IW's SP.

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Yes, I want to see BC3 before BF4 as well, but DICE doesn't know what they're doing anymore.

I'd rather see EA/Dice more keen to suppor their current game for longer than think about the next one. What happened when Battlefield games used to last ages before their proper sequal came out?

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COD's popularity starting with 4 is what happened.
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#45 immortality20
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I would too, the single player was so much better in BC 2 than BF3.

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i agree.. bfbc2 is much better than bf3...the only good thing about bf3 is gulf of oman
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[QUOTE="JohnF111"][QUOTE="MacBoomStick"]

BF3 is BC3.

danish-death

BC3 = Console orientated + a larger focus on SP BF3 = PC orientated with larger focus on MP.

BF3 = jack of all trades, but master of none (DLC excluded) BC2 = as you said :) Difference being that BF3 tries to cater to console users while also trying to cater to PC users. The result is.. not directly bad, but certainly not optimized the same way as BC2 or BF2 (since BF2 was only released on PC).

BF3 = Serious, gritty urban warfare trying to spread itself thing across all platforms

BC2 = Goofy, jungle and rural warfare with a focus on 24-32 players that keeps it more well designed for all systems

Hopefully BF4 is a launch title planning to take advantage of next gen hardware to give consoles 64 players and not bring anyone down, but somehow I feel like EA will disappoint me and totally milk the franchise.

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[QUOTE="danish-death"][QUOTE="JohnF111"] BC3 = Console orientated + a larger focus on SP BF3 = PC orientated with larger focus on MP.SPYDER0416

BF3 = jack of all trades, but master of none (DLC excluded) BC2 = as you said :) Difference being that BF3 tries to cater to console users while also trying to cater to PC users. The result is.. not directly bad, but certainly not optimized the same way as BC2 or BF2 (since BF2 was only released on PC).

BF3 = Serious, gritty urban warfare trying to spread itself thing across all platforms

BC2 = Goofy, jungle and rural warfare with a focus on 24-32 players that keeps it more well designed for all systems

Hopefully BF4 is a launch title planning to take advantage of next gen hardware to give consoles 64 players and not bring anyone down, but somehow I feel like EA will disappoint me and totally milk the franchise.

I actually don't get why Battlefield 3 was put on consoles when they already had a fantastic game called Bad Company 2 (okay I do and the reason is money).

Battlefield 3 should've been PC only. Bad Company should be multiplat

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#49 walkingdream
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I'd rather 2143 with a titan mode, with perhaps even TITAN vs TITAN warfare. :D
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#50 lamprey263
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well, whatever game we're getting next year it's probably half done at this point, so we're getting what we're getting