[QUOTE="i_am_interested"]this is the same site that reported powerVR series 6 for the graphics card this site has no credibility, please label this as a rumor (a bad one)Why? I would bet atleast one of the next gen consoles will use an IBM CPU. IBM is probably alot cheaper to use compared to Intel or AMD, and for games IBM's CPU's are probably as good or better.
So much for the PS3's supposed 10 year lifepsan. LOL. I guess Sony have finally realized the PS3 is a complete and utter failure and a disgrace to the PlayStation brand name. It's not surprising to see they want to move on to the PS4 so quickly and put the failings of the PS3 behind them.
[QUOTE="whoDat_whoDat"]after this i cant see why anyone would want an xbox 720whoDat_whoDat
Don't be so sure of that. MS isn't dumb to let Sony beat them in the graphics & power department like they did for this gen, even if that happens to be true. That's just my opinion.
stop pretending like microsoft knows hardware. they are a software company, sony has been doing hardware for many years and many different things. RROD says hi.
MS doesn't know about Hardware?
*Looks at X-Box 1*
Yeah, sure:roll:. That system was very reliable, & very powerful. Plus they'll make sure that their next system is more like that. Guaranteed.
Don't be so sure of that. MS isn't dumb to let Sony beat them in the graphics & power department like they did for this gen, even if that happens to be true. That's just my opinion.
stop pretending like microsoft knows hardware. they are a software company, sony has been doing hardware for many years and many different things. RROD says hi.
MS doesn't know about Hardware?
*Looks at X-Box 1*
Yeah, sure:roll:. That system was very reliable, & very powerful. Plus they'll make sure that their next system is more like that. Guaranteed.
xbox1 was reliable? thats news to be tell my friends who had all their xboxs burn out.
[QUOTE="Martin_G_N"][QUOTE="i_am_interested"]this is the same site that reported powerVR series 6 for the graphics card this site has no credibility, please label this as a rumor (a bad one)Why? I would bet atleast one of the next gen consoles will use an IBM CPU. IBM is probably alot cheaper to use compared to Intel or AMD, and for games IBM's CPU's are probably as good or better. i wouldnt be surprised to see 3 makers using ibm again, but to flat out say that its the Power7 along with the powerVR series 6 is pretty much just spreading wildfire, look at the guy's site "FGNonline.webs.com" "We can officially reveal in this world exclusive that SCEI has officially chosen IBM's currently in development POWER7 architecture for it's PlayStation 4 system, currently scheduled for a 2012 worldwide release." this guy has no credibility, officially?
OK, well this probably means they are focusing on a easier programmable CPU that can do General purpose processing better, because 200 G.FLOPS is'nt exactly a huge jump. I think the 8 core version will have around 256G.FLOPS, but if they had gone for a CELL it could probably have reached 1T.FLOPS. But they are probably going away from the CPU as a helper for the GPU.
I just hopes this means they are focusing on the development of a high end GPU that will challenge the ATI cards. Wonder how much RAM the PS4 will have and if it will be unified?? 4GB unified XDR2 memory maybe?? That would be cool.
And the PS3 won't die when the PS4 comes out, as long as the system is supported.
Martin_G_N
On a console, or any mulit-media device, there really isn't much need for "general purpose processing" [sic]. That 200 GFLOPS is double precision (64 bit), the Cell BE was engineered for single precision FP (32 bit), it's double precision FP performance is ~15 GFLOPS (as the article states), so the DP FP performance increase is ~13 fold, not too shabby.
[QUOTE="whoDat_whoDat"] stop pretending like microsoft knows hardware. they are a software company, sony has been doing hardware for many years and many different things. RROD says hi.whoDat_whoDat
MS doesn't know about Hardware?
*Looks at X-Box 1*
Yeah, sure:roll:. That system was very reliable, & very powerful. Plus they'll make sure that their next system is more like that. Guaranteed.
xbox1 was reliable? thats news to be tell my friends who had all their xboxs burn out. the first XBOX was built well, but like all electronics some are just bad.
[QUOTE="whoDat_whoDat"] stop pretending like microsoft knows hardware. they are a software company, sony has been doing hardware for many years and many different things. RROD says hi.whoDat_whoDat
MS doesn't know about Hardware?
*Looks at X-Box 1*
Yeah, sure:roll:. That system was very reliable, & very powerful. Plus they'll make sure that their next system is more like that. Guaranteed.
xbox1 was reliable? thats news to me tell my friends who had all their xboxs burn out.
Haven't heard about that as much as PS2 had hardware problems, such as DRE. It's probably because your friends don't know how to take care of them.
it wouldnt surpise if a couple of years from now the ps4 featured some Power7 + Cell hybrid but all im saying is that this site has no credibility FGNonline.webs.com no credibility on reporting
[QUOTE="i_am_interested"][QUOTE="Martin_G_N"][QUOTE="i_am_interested"]this is the same site that reported powerVR series 6 for the graphics card this site has no credibility, please label this as a rumor (a bad one)Why? I would bet atleast one of the next gen consoles will use an IBM CPU. IBM is probably alot cheaper to use compared to Intel or AMD, and for games IBM's CPU's are probably as good or better. i wouldnt be surprised to see 3 makers using ibm again, but to flat out say that its the Power7 along with the powerVR series 6 is pretty much just spreading wildfire, look at the guy's site "FGNonline.webs.com" "We can officially reveal in this world exclusive that SCEI has officially chosen IBM's currently in development POWER7 architecture for it's PlayStation 4 system, currently scheduled for a 2012 worldwide release." this guy has no credibility, officially?Yeah, of course:). We should wait and see what Sony will say. I just think I would be more sceptical if the rumour was that Sony had chosen an AMD or Intel CPU.
If the ps4 is the exact same as the ps3 i would be happy. Im not sure how much better games can get, sure you can get better graphics but i really don't care about graphics.
[QUOTE="alextherussian"]Wait, did I misunderstand that, PS4 in 2012?young_doe
Thats right. Makes perfect sense for them not wanting to be a year behind the competition and playing catch up like they are doing now. I'm content with 2012. If ya think about it, it probably wont be until late 2012, so we still have a good three years of this console generation left. Sounds ok to me. I was worried if they'll be aiming for a 2011 launch.
Wait, did I misunderstand that, PS4 in 2012?alextherussian
No, your understood it quite fine as the next Xbox will be releasing in the same year. Sony doesn't want MS to be ahead in their release date this time.
sony will never learn. they just don't understand console hardware....
carljohnson3456
What are you talking about? Are you joking? Sony dont understand console hardware???
I think what he means by that is about Sony not learning from their mistakes about making their hardware more difficult for developers to develop their games for Sony's platforms. Sony already made it hard as it is with the PS2. And Sony made it about five times more harder with the PS3.
sony will never learn. they just don't understand console hardware....
garland51
What are you talking about? Are you joking? Sony dont understand console hardware???
I think what he means by that is about Sony not learning from their mistakes about making their hardware more difficult for developers to develop their games for Sony's platforms. Sony already made it hard as it is with the PS2. And Sony made it about five times more harder with the PS3.
bingo. they're too bullheaded in their hardware decisions and it ends up limiting development. if anyone still denies this a problem i honestly have nothing to say to them - but i'll offer a shake of my head from side to side and a sigh.
how happy do you think the reluctant 3rd party developers who invested in Cell programmers and training are going to be with this news... why do they have to reinvent the wheel each time and present so many barriers to development. just makes no sense to me.... it's like they're too proud to use sense.
[QUOTE="alextherussian"]Wait, did I misunderstand that, PS4 in 2012?MetalGearSolidZ
No, your understood it quite fine as the next Xbox will be releasing in the same year. Sony doesn't want MS to be ahead in their release date this time. I think that the 360 version 2.0 will be here in 2011. :)
sony will never learn. they just don't understand console hardware....
garland51
What are you talking about? Are you joking? Sony dont understand console hardware???
I think what he means by that is about Sony not learning from their mistakes about making their hardware more difficult for developers to develop their games for Sony's platforms. Sony already made it hard as it is with the PS2. And Sony made it about five times more harder with the PS3.
the only developers i see complaining about developing for the ps3 are PC-developers who have almost no console experience and most likely never developed for the ps2 or xbox, its just that microsoft makes the 360 fairly easy to program for with its general purpose cores (as opposed to spus) look at the PC developers who have actual console experience like bioware and gearbox and theyve never complained about developing for the cell, several developers have even gone on to say that the ps3 is much easier to develop for then the ps2 im not exactly sure but for any PC people out there, are a Power7s 4 or 6 or 8 cores symmetrical and General Purpose?
That's a lot of flops. Or something. I don't really care. Honestly, will developers even be able to cope with the insane amounts of manpower that has to be spent on asset creation for taking advantage of this hyper-advanced alien technology from the future? For the next generation GTA they're gonna have to employ a small country.
[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"] What are you talking about? Are you joking? Sony dont understand console hardware???i_am_interested
I think what he means by that is about Sony not learning from their mistakes about making their hardware more difficult for developers to develop their games for Sony's platforms. Sony already made it hard as it is with the PS2. And Sony made it about five times more harder with the PS3.
the only developers i see complaining about developing for the ps3 are PC-developers who have almost no console experience and most likely never developed for the ps2 or xbox, its just that microsoft makes the 360 fairly easy to program for with its general purpose cores (as opposed to spus) look at the PC developers who have actual console experience like bioware and gearbox and theyve never complained about developing for the cell, several developers have even gone on to say that the ps3 is much easier to develop for then the ps2 im not exactly sure but for any PC people out there, are a Power7s 4 or 6 or 8 cores symmetrical and General Purpose? anyone that fails to acknowledge the massive impact cell programming difficulty has had on the PS brand and the PS3 truly does not understand this industry.
care to name those massive impacts? especially the ones that are lingering today? like multi-plats not starting development on ps3? it sucks for ps3 ports but every month it gets better all developers acknowledge that Cell is harder to develop for which is obvious, all im trying to say with my previous post is that PC developers who have actual console experience (xbox and especially ps2) arent the ones in the media complaining about Cell, its these people/companies that have no console experience that are complaining about Cell, people like gabe newell and valve, absolutely no console experience if youre trying to argue that cell difficulty prevents new studios from entering the ps3 market by making it difficult, then i get that, but lets not make it sound like Cell for ps3 was some kind of "mistake" that they would rectify if they could go back in time, Cell is exactly what first and 2nd party studios expected it to be which was the plan from the very beginning
I'm just glad to hear they are making a better console instead of just making a slightly stronger system with some weird feather and advertizing to other demos instead of the 18-34 catorgory.
PS 1994 ------------- > 6 years PS2 2000 ------------- > 6 years PS3 2006 ------------- > 6 years PS4 2012
Makes sense.
Cait__Sith
Time really just flies by..... That is does, still feels like this gen just started rolling.Probably because it's taking so long for Sony to really pick up any steam. I mean, at least last gen you had a FF and GT game (both among the top sellers) within two years of the console's release. Now...where are they?
u guys realize by 2012 the price for the processor will drop stop about everything compliaing already how did u expect better graphics without better hardware
"You will note in this graph focusing on a single area of performance that the PS4 bar is higher than the PC bar. Ignore that this figure is from only one area of performance that does not represent the range of work expected from a CPU, ignore that it is a theoretical figure from a synthetic test, ignore that this is the last PC CPU in this line before the next generation of hardware that will be released months before the PS4s launch"
"The PS4 bar is higher than the PC bar, that is all you need to know"
"Now we will play on some of these figures to hype technically illiterate consumers, did you know this CPU has as many transistors as XYZ old hardware put together?"
I think what he means by that is about Sony not learning from their mistakes about making their hardware more difficult for developers to develop their games for Sony's platforms. Sony already made it hard as it is with the PS2. And Sony made it about five times more harder with the PS3.
3picuri3
the only developers i see complaining about developing for the ps3 are PC-developers who have almost no console experience and most likely never developed for the ps2 or xbox, its just that microsoft makes the 360 fairly easy to program for with its general purpose cores (as opposed to spus) look at the PC developers who have actual console experience like bioware and gearbox and theyve never complained about developing for the cell, several developers have even gone on to say that the ps3 is much easier to develop for then the ps2 im not exactly sure but for any PC people out there, are a Power7s 4 or 6 or 8 cores symmetrical and General Purpose? anyone that fails to acknowledge the massive impact cell programming difficulty has had on the PS brand and the PS3 truly does not understand this industry.
It sounds like you really know what you're talking about. :roll:
That's a lot of flops. Or something. I don't really care. Honestly, will developers even be able to cope with the insane amounts of manpower that has to be spent on asset creation for taking advantage of this hyper-advanced alien technology from the future? For the next generation GTA they're gonna have to employ a small country.InsaneBasura
This is what I want to know. And the second is just funny.
Wait, did I misunderstand that, PS4 in 2012?alextherussian
Makes perfect sense. Every PlayStation console has been released 6 years apart. the perfect amount of time for a generation imo. [QUOTE="BlackTragedy"]
[QUOTE="george999819"]
So much for the PS3's supposed 10 year lifepsan. LOL. I guess Sony have finally realized the PS3 is a complete and utter failure and a disgrace to the PlayStation brand name. It's not surprising to see they want to move on to the PS4 so quickly and put the failings of the PS3 behind them.
ps2 is on year 9. does that mean ps3 is coming out next year.
Ahhh, swift and surgically precise ownage. Its always nice to see. :D
The specs are pretty impressive but I don't know how legit this is. This kind of thing is something companies want to keep wrapped up until the last minute because it gives other companies a chance to counter.
[QUOTE="TheGrat1"][QUOTE="alextherussian"] Makes perfect sense. Every PlayStation console has been released 6 years apart. the perfect amount of time for a generation imo. [QUOTE="BlackTragedy"]
[QUOTE="george999819"]
So much for the PS3's supposed 10 year lifepsan. LOL. I guess Sony have finally realized the PS3 is a complete and utter failure and a disgrace to the PlayStation brand name. It's not surprising to see they want to move on to the PS4 so quickly and put the failings of the PS3 behind them.
ps2 is on year 9. does that mean ps3 is coming out next year.
Ahhh, swift and surgically precise ownage. Its always nice to see. :D Except nobody ever said the PS2 is a 10-year console, even when third-party devs made it so, not Sony (directly). The point I think that guy was trying to make is that PS3 will be replaced by a better PS sooner than 10 years contrary to popular belief that the PS3 had the hardware to hold out for 10 years without a hardware refresh.
[QUOTE="alextherussian"] Time really just flies by.....
HuusAsking
That is does, still feels like this gen just started rolling.Probably because it's taking so long for Sony to really pick up any steam. I mean, at least last gen you had a FF and GT game (both among the top sellers) within two years of the console's release. Now...where are they? Kinda meant that in a more general sense. Nothing to do with video gaming, just a suprise that time has flown so fast. Swear it was just yesterday I was being wowed by running up a sword in Shadow of Colossus. . On that note and completely off topic, I will buy a ps3 the day Last Guardian launches...
Cache is expensive so I doubt they'll use that much when it isn't needed for gaming. Current consoles are cache limited but they usually prefetch to circumvent that problem.
So much for the PS3's supposed 10 year lifepsan. LOL. I guess Sony have finally realized the PS3 is a complete and utter failure and a disgrace to the PlayStation brand name. It's not surprising to see they want to move on to the PS4 so quickly and put the failings of the PS3 behind them.
george999819
Just because PS4 comes out doesn't mean that they will stop selling and supporting the PS3. Good fanboy perspective you have there. See everyone - the reality of a fanboy is significantly different to our own. Go figure.
ps2 is on year 9. does that mean ps3 is coming out next year.
themyth01
Ahhh, swift and surgically precise ownage. Its always nice to see. :D Except nobody ever said the PS2 is a 10-year console, even when third-party devs made it so, not Sony (directly). The point I think that guy was trying to make is that PS3 will be replaced by a better PS sooner than 10 years contrary to popular belief that the PS3 had the hardware to hold out for 10 years without a hardware refresh.
I'm pretty sure that the PS2 was meant to be a 10 year cycle, from what i read and heard from Sony. I also doubt that Sony will leave PS3 owners hanging when the PS4 comes out. I know that the PS2 doesn't get the most attention from Sony. But it doesn't mean that developers have forgotten about it.
so we might as well declare the winners of this gen already then,, the next gen begins when the first next gen console hit's the market, there is no way SONY will close the 7 million gap with the 360 in 2-3 years and the wii is just light yeasr ahead in sales, looks like SONY have thrown in the towel for this gen, they just better hope MS doesn't rrelease another console before 2012, bear in mind that MS choose there vendors for the nextbox a few months ago, so they are already ahead in terms of planning the re next console, it's a wise decision for them to go the traditional route though, they learnt there lesson this gen about alienating 3rd party developers, so much for the mighty CELL, this is good news though,good news indeed, if they redesign the controller the playstation could be my weapon of choice for the next generation.
ps2 is on year 9. does that mean ps3 is coming out next year.
themyth01
Ahhh, swift and surgically precise ownage. Its always nice to see. :D Except nobody ever said the PS2 is a 10-year console, even when third-party devs made it so, not Sony (directly). The point I think that guy was trying to make is that PS3 will be replaced by a better PS sooner than 10 years contrary to popular belief that the PS3 had the hardware to hold out for 10 years without a hardware refresh.
The PSone was on the market for 11 years. The PS2 is only months away from entering its tenth year... Sony says all thier consoles have a ten year life cycle.
This "news" comes from some no-name website that could have been made over the weekend, and was posted (with no sources) by a dude that takes his name from the main character of an early-90's sit-com.
This "news" comes from some no-name website that could have been made over the weekend, and was posted (with no sources) by a dude that takes his name from the main character of an early-90's sit-com.
Please don't take it as fact.
Teufelhuhn
was about to say that, these people cant even afford a 7$ domain name
So much for the PS3's supposed 10 year lifepsan. LOL. I guess Sony have finally realized the PS3 is a complete and utter failure and a disgrace to the PlayStation brand name. It's not surprising to see they want to move on to the PS4 so quickly and put the failings of the PS3 behind them.
standarddamage
10 Year life span never meant 10 years without introducing another console. Just 10 years of support for the PS3.... Exactly. They kept supporting the PS2 even after the release of the PS3. And this great news if it's true. I hope the problems developers had with the Cell taught Sony a lesson.
We'll have to wait and see, but what incentive do devs have to keep supporting the PS3. It's user base will be far smaller than the PS2 when the next gen comes out at this rate, and it is difficult to develop for. Devs may think it's more viable to just move on.
The PS1 and 2 were selling so well during and after that gen, that it still made sense to support them.
SONY are not in a financial position to release a console as early as 2012, not to mention dev's are not going to like this at all, they are already complaining about the cot/dev time of games on current gen systems, also rmember, it was releasing too early that effectively killed the dreamcast (with alittle help from MS and SONY) a new playstation in 2012 just ain't gonna happen.
So much for the PS3's supposed 10 year lifepsan. LOL. I guess Sony have finally realized the PS3 is a complete and utter failure and a disgrace to the PlayStation brand name. It's not surprising to see they want to move on to the PS4 so quickly and put the failings of the PS3 behind them.
george999819
PS3 will still be supported when the PS4 is out. You clearly have no clue, none, not a sausage!.
[QUOTE="delta3074"]SONY are not in a financial position to release a console as early as 2012, not to mention dev's are not going to like this at all, they are already complaining about the cot/dev time of games on current gen systems, also rmember, it was releasing too early that effectively killed the dreamcast (with alittle help from MS and SONY) a new playstation in 2012 just ain't gonna happen.Sega was actually in a decent position when it was first out the gate, but it lacked the funds to keep going, and companies knew that (which was why people like EA stayed away). A company with better financial standing (like Microsoft) can better leverage the advantages of being first out the gate (which they have--seriously eating into Sony's previous lead; only the market shocker that is the Nintendo Wii has kept Microsoft from claiming first place).
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