id: 'Sometimes our fans drive us nuts'

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id Software's described the huge expectation from its loyal following, telling Xbox World 360 magazine, 'we love our fans - but sometimes they drive us nuts'.

Speaking in XBW's latest issue, creative director Tim Willits explained that even though id's latest shooter Rage offers driving, shooting and RPG elements, fans will still find holes to pick in it.

"The worst thing is that everyone wants the kitchen sink and everything else too," he said.

"For Rage, we're doing all these things and yet people are like 'Well I can't blow up these boxes', and I'm like 'Are you serious? We have driving, racing and all these cool characters!' 'But in this other game I can blow up boxes', and I'm like, 'This other game doesn't have any racing in it!'

"It's crazy. Fans: I love them but sometimes they drive us nuts!"

In the same interview Willits revealed that the long-in-development FPS is 'basically done'. Publisher Bethesda also released a fistful of screenshots yesterday.

what do you think? agree with Tim?

Some people/fans can never be satisfied. >.>

I wonder if other developers think the same? (Wouldn't be surprised if Sonic Team and Nintendo do have that feeling)

Sounds like id go on System Wars.

yeah I realized this along time ago which is why I try not to have outragous expectations of games from developers I love.

cvg

id Software's described the huge expectation from its loyal following, telling Xbox World 360 magazine, 'we love our fans - but sometimes they drive us nuts'.

Speaking in XBW's latest issue, creative director Tim Willits explained that even though id's latest shooter Rage offers driving, shooting and RPG elements, fans will still find holes to pick in it.

"The worst thing is that everyone wants the kitchen sink and everything else too," he said.

"For Rage, we're doing all these things and yet people are like 'Well I can't blow up these boxes', and I'm like 'Are you serious? We have driving, racing and all these cool characters!' 'But in this other game I can blow up boxes', and I'm like, 'This other game doesn't have any racing in it!'

"It's crazy. Fans: I love them but sometimes they drive us nuts!"

In the same interview Willits revealed that the long-in-development FPS is 'basically done'. Publisher Bethesda also released a fistful of screenshots yesterday.

what do you think? agree with Tim?

TheShadowLord07

I think in the case of the random boxes vs driving Tim has completely missed the point; it's not about giving us everything or even us expecting everything but more about making sure that what is there is fully realized. I would happily get rid of these added on racing elements if every single other aspect of the main fps game was absolutely fully realized, from every object placed in the world being convincingly interactive and destructive, within reason (I should be able to shoot all those lovingly modeled trinkets on the tables and see them smash and break for example otherwise it just annoys me that they are there in the world yet I can't do anything with them), to the sky actually moving rather than being a static image it seems (because that just looks a bit wrong next to all the other graphical elements that are so fully realized). Just a couple of examples.

If they are going to add in driving sections it can't be at the expense of those other things but in addition to them or people like me aren't going to appreciate what they've added and instead focus on what they've left feeling a little bit unfinished and unpolished.

Even more times developers drive me nuts. Fair play.

i dont know why Id are talking to the Xbox 360 mag

they have never made a succesful console game

i dont know why Id are talking to the Xbox 360 mag

they have never made a succesful console game

HaloinventedFPS

i dont know why Id are talking to the Xbox 360 mag

they have never made a succesful console game

HaloinventedFPS

Most of their games had console version: Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, Doom 2, Final Doom, Ultimate Doom, Doom 3...

I find it hard to believe gamers are moaning about not being able to blow up boxes...

Consoles can't blow up boxes to begin with!8)

Wait, I can't blow up boxes in Rage?

So much for a day 1 purchase.

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

i dont know why Id are talking to the Xbox 360 mag

they have never made a succesful console game

PAL360

Most of their games had console version: Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, Doom 2, Final Doom, Ultimate Doom, Doom 3...

[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]

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id Software's described the huge expectation from its loyal following, telling Xbox World 360 magazine, 'we love our fans - but sometimes they drive us nuts'.

Speaking in XBW's latest issue, creative director Tim Willits explained that even though id's latest shooter Rage offers driving, shooting and RPG elements, fans will still find holes to pick in it.

"The worst thing is that everyone wants the kitchen sink and everything else too," he said.

"For Rage, we're doing all these things and yet people are like 'Well I can't blow up these boxes', and I'm like 'Are you serious? We have driving, racing and all these cool characters!' 'But in this other game I can blow up boxes', and I'm like, 'This other game doesn't have any racing in it!'

"It's crazy. Fans: I love them but sometimes they drive us nuts!"

In the same interview Willits revealed that the long-in-development FPS is 'basically done'. Publisher Bethesda also released a fistful of screenshots yesterday.

what do you think? agree with Tim?

amaneuvering

I think in the case of the random boxes vs driving Tim has completely missed the point; it's not about giving us everything or even us expecting everything but more about making sure that what is there is fully realized. I would happily get rid of these added on racing elements if every single other aspect of the main fps game was absolutely fully realized, from every object placed in the world being convincingly interactive and destructive, within reason (I should be able to shoot all those lovingly modeled trinkets on the tables and see them smash and break for example otherwise it just annoys me that they are there in the world yet I can't do anything with them), to the sky actually moving rather than being a static image it seems (because that just looks a bit wrong next to all the other graphical elements that are so fully realized). Just a couple of examples.

If they are going to add in driving sections it can't be at the expense of those other things but in addition to them or people like me aren't going to appreciate what they've added and instead focus on what they've left feeling a little bit unfinished and unpolished.

And yet, I don't care about any of the points you have made and would rather have the diversity of gamplay. He can't satisfy us both.

And therein lies the actual point.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

i dont know why Id are talking to the Xbox 360 mag

they have never made a succesful console game

John_Read

Most of their games had console version: Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, Doom 2, Final Doom, Ultimate Doom, Doom 3...

Well, he said consoles. I played Wolfenstein 3D on my Snes, Doom on my 32X, Final Doom and Ultimate Doom on my Playstation and Doom 3 on my Xbox. And the PC version of them all aswell :P

i can understand what ID is saying but.....

Suck it up everybody cops it the same.

[QUOTE="John_Read"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Most of their games had console version: Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, Doom 2, Final Doom, Ultimate Doom, Doom 3...

PAL360

Well, he said consoles. I played Wolfenstein 3D on my Snes, Doom on my 32X, Final Doom and Ultimate Doom on my Playstation and Doom 3 on my Xbox. And the PC version of them all aswell :P

Nice save :P

i dont know why Id are talking to the Xbox 360 mag

they have never made a succesful console game

HaloinventedFPS

why does the source of the interview matter :S if a mag asks for an interview and they get one it would be silly not to publish it.

Its all PR to get people hyped for the game :-/

Id still has fans in this day and age?

Well with talk like that to their fans; I use to think id was crazy but now I see their nuts. :o :twisted:

Yeah, they may have been lurking too long in SW. :P

Id still has fans in this day and age?

JangoWuzHere

I think the same can be said for most developers.

[QUOTE="amaneuvering"]

[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]

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id Software's described the huge expectation from its loyal following, telling Xbox World 360 magazine, 'we love our fans - but sometimes they drive us nuts'.

Speaking in XBW's latest issue, creative director Tim Willits explained that even though id's latest shooter Rage offers driving, shooting and RPG elements, fans will still find holes to pick in it.

"The worst thing is that everyone wants the kitchen sink and everything else too," he said.

"For Rage, we're doing all these things and yet people are like 'Well I can't blow up these boxes', and I'm like 'Are you serious? We have driving, racing and all these cool characters!' 'But in this other game I can blow up boxes', and I'm like, 'This other game doesn't have any racing in it!'

"It's crazy. Fans: I love them but sometimes they drive us nuts!"

In the same interview Willits revealed that the long-in-development FPS is 'basically done'. Publisher Bethesda also released a fistful of screenshots yesterday.

what do you think? agree with Tim?

SUD123456

I think in the case of the random boxes vs driving Tim has completely missed the point; it's not about giving us everything or even us expecting everything but more about making sure that what is there is fully realized. I would happily get rid of these added on racing elements if every single other aspect of the main fps game was absolutely fully realized, from every object placed in the world being convincingly interactive and destructive, within reason (I should be able to shoot all those lovingly modeled trinkets on the tables and see them smash and break for example otherwise it just annoys me that they are there in the world yet I can't do anything with them), to the sky actually moving rather than being a static image it seems (because that just looks a bit wrong next to all the other graphical elements that are so fully realized). Just a couple of examples.

If they are going to add in driving sections it can't be at the expense of those other things but in addition to them or people like me aren't going to appreciate what they've added and instead focus on what they've left feeling a little bit unfinished and unpolished.

And yet, I don't care about any of the points you have made and would rather have the diversity of gamplay. He can't satisfy us both.

And therein lies the actual point.

Unfortunately for you that's beside the point in relation to the comment he made regarding the fans complaining about the specific things he mentioned. None of those long time fans as far as I'm aware asked for driving sections prior to hearing about the game and those are the people that were fans of id games in general before this new game was even announced so I'd think it would make more sense to keep them happy than people who want id's games to be something different.

Like I said before, add in this new stuff but not at the expense of the stuff the fans actually expect and want to see by default. You know, like interactive and destructible objects in their fps games, which is something most fps players have come to expect as standard, certainly in terms of the various objects littering the world.

No one expects to have driving and racing sections in their fps game so that should be a bonus on top of all the other stuff and not to the detriment of it.

[QUOTE="John_Read"][QUOTE="PAL360"]

Most of their games had console version: Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, Doom 2, Final Doom, Ultimate Doom, Doom 3...

PAL360

Well, he said consoles. I played Wolfenstein 3D on my Snes, Doom on my 32X, Final Doom and Ultimate Doom on my Playstation and Doom 3 on my Xbox. And the PC version of them all aswell :P

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="John_Read"] none of those were ported by ID to 360 :P Arach666

Well, he said consoles. I played Wolfenstein 3D on my Snes, Doom on my 32X, Final Doom and Ultimate Doom on my Playstation and Doom 3 on my Xbox. And the PC version of them all aswell :P

I know, i know :P

Like i said, i played them on PC aswell, but, at the end, i was allways a console fan.

Sounds like the average systems wars poster. "Bu bu bu where are those 50 extra pixels I demanded?"

I understand the devs at id are dedicated and devoted but..you've been working on this game for years and years and years, like 5-6 years, and it don't even have destructable boxes?

Sounds a little bit like Gran Turismo 5.

Nobody cares if you have 10000 cars.

Ppl care about the core gameplay.

That said, yes I will buy Rage first-day, finances permitting, they deserve it and I'm a big fan of iD.

Exploding boxes? wut?

I mean, why would boxes explode :?

Unless they have explosives in them. :P

Those are some really nitpicky fans.

It really puts into perspective how tough game developing is. Technology is constantly raising the ceiling for these people, and your always going to have very picky critics.

Sounds like id go on System Wars.

BigBoss154

Unfortunately for you that's beside the point in relation to the comment he made regarding the fans complaining about the specific things he mentioned. None of those long time fans as far as I'm aware asked for driving sections prior to hearing about the game and those are the people that were fans of id games in general before this new game was even announced so I'd think it would make more sense to keep them happy than people who want id's games to be something different.

Like I said before, add in this new stuff but not at the expense of the stuff the fans actually expect and want to see by default. You know, like interactive and destructible objects in their fps games, which is something most fps players have come to expect as standard, certainly in terms of the various objects littering the world.

No one expects to have driving and racing sections in their fps game so that should be a bonus on top of all the other stuff and not to the detriment of it.

amaneuvering

Why is it unfortunate for me?

I am a long time fan. I am also a fan of shooters in general. Having said that, I am also one of the people that believes there is scant improvement in the generic shooter formula. Hence I welcome the changes/additions.

If all developers ever did was remake the exact same thing over and over again there would be no innovation. We are back to exactly where we started. The improvements you want, I don't particularly favour. The improvements I want, you don't particularly favour. Neither is necessarily right, but you cannot please everyone.

who the HELL Has expectations after the ****fest that was Doom 3?

I think the same can be said for most developers.

Wasdie

I would even say ALL of them think that. And I couldn't blame them. Gamers as a whole are fickle and greedy. They do want everything and the kitchen sink, and they want it NOW and don't want to pay for it.

Gamers always give mixed signals. We demand innovation, but when asked what games we want, we ask for a sequel. We ask them to release a remake that's as pure to the original experience as possible but want changes at the same time.

It's just the way we humans work, I guess.

I understand the devs at id are dedicated and devoted but..you've been working on this game for years and years and years, like 5-6 years, and it don't even have destructable boxes?

Sounds a little bit like Gran Turismo 5.

Nobody cares if you have 10000 cars.

Ppl care about the core gameplay.

That said, yes I will buy Rage first-day, finances permitting, they deserve it and I'm a big fan of iD.

ZombieKiller7

i would hate to be a dev for IW/3arc....couldnt imagine the amount of hate

Some fans of a certain series or Dev's really are WAY too hard on the developers. Like with BF3, DICE are trying very hard to keep parts of BC2 for that game while push new ideas and keep the old BF2 style of gameplay. So not everyone will be happy. Its just how it is

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="HaloinventedFPS"]

i dont know why Id are talking to the Xbox 360 mag

they have never made a succesful console game

John_Read

Most of their games had console version: Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, Doom 2, Final Doom, Ultimate Doom, Doom 3...

What are you kidding? Loved Doom 3.

Studios like ID are old-school, they're not third-world sweatshops like EA, they can't pump out a game in a year hiring H1 Visa developers from third-world countries.

And Rage is gonna kick ass, gonna have alot of love and craftsmanship, heart and soul.

Some devs understand what "playable art" means, don't think they are all just lawyers and jackals.

who the HELL Has expectations after the ****fest that was Doom 3?

-The-G-Man-

Either you're a comic genius, or this is the very issue Carmack and co. were talking about.

No, Doom 3 isn't terrible by any standard. It's actually aged rather nicely considering it's been under Half-Life 2's shadow since the moment it came out.

[QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]

who the HELL Has expectations after the ****fest that was Doom 3?

FrozenLiquid

Either you're a comic genius, or this is the very issue Carmack and co. were talking about.

No, Doom 3 isn't terrible by any standard. It's actually aged rather nicely considering it's been under Half-Life 2's shadow since the moment it came out.

Some people/fans can never be satisfied. >.>

timmy00

I agree with this. Just look at some Zelda fans. They got exactly what they asked for with TP and yet it is widley hated. (Despite the fact that it is a great game.)