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#1 redneckdouglas

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What should of been PC exclusives: UNREAL TOURNAMENT, Quake Wars.
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Source: http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/46079

Across two separate lectures at this week's Game Developers Conference, id Software CEO Todd Hollenshead and Epic Games president Michael Capps both admitted that piracy of PC games caused their companies to pursue developing beyond the PC platform. "Piracy has pushed id as being multiplatform," stated Hollenshead, whose company contracted Z-Axis to handle the PlayStation 3 version and Nerve Software the Xbox 360 edition of Splash Damage's forthcoming Enemy Territory: Quake Wars (PC).

Comments made by Epic's Capps carried a similar tone. "PC gaming is really falling apart," he revealed. "It killed us to make Unreal Tournament 3 cross-platform, but Epic had to do it," adding "the market that would buy a $600 video card knows how Bittorrent works." Epic is currently developing Unreal Tournament 3 for the PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 in-house.

Meanwhile, Firaxis designer and programmer Soren Johnson remained confident in PC development. He suggested that "game design on the PC is going to bend toward persistence," noting Blizzard's World of Warcraft is "successful because you can't pirate WoW. You cannot pirate an MMO. Period."

Who/what did they blaim? High video card price, Bittorrent users!

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What should of been PC exclusives: UNREAL TOURNAMENT, Quake Wars.
Multiplatform explanined:
Source: http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/46079
Across two separate lectures at this week's Game Developers Conference, id Software CEO Todd Hollenshead and Epic Games president Michael Capps both admitted that piracy of PC games caused their companies to pursue developing beyond the PC platform. "Piracy has pushed id as being multiplatform," stated Hollenshead, whose company contracted Z-Axis to handle the PlayStation 3 version and Nerve Software the Xbox 360 edition of Splash Damage's forthcoming Enemy Territory: Quake Wars (PC).

Comments made by Epic's Capps carried a similar tone. "PC gaming is really falling apart," he revealed. "It killed us to make Unreal Tournament 3 cross-platform, but Epic had to do it," adding "the market that would buy a $600 video card knows how Bittorrent works." Epic is currently developing Unreal Tournament 3 for the PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 in-house.

Meanwhile, Firaxis designer and programmer Soren Johnson remained confident in PC development. He suggested that "game design on the PC is going to bend toward persistence," noting Blizzard's World of Warcraft is "successful because you can't pirate WoW. You cannot pirate an MMO. Period." redneckdouglas

Mother*bleeping* pirates....

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which is why NINJAS ARE BETTER !

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They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while.

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They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. Vandalvideo

Did you miss the UT04? If you did your really missing out.

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They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. Vandalvideo

Epic and id use Starforce?

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Funny, since Quake and UT are gmaes people ONLY play online. Epic/id, stop with the BS, you want more sales, make an innovative idea. Also, is the quote where Id/Epic say that they are PC companies that were forced to throw something on consoles to get money?

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. magus-21

Epic and id use Starforce?

They are about to adopt it so I heard.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. Zero_Fate_

Did you miss the UT04? If you did your really missing out.

No? I played it?

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#10 smokeydabear076

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. magus-21

Epic and id use Starforce?

I never got it from any of their games, I do not know what he is taking about.:?

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#11 smokeydabear076

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[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. Vandalvideo

Epic and id use Starforce?

They are about to adopt it so I heard.

That would not be a good idea.

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#12 BigDaddyPOLO

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No it's not because of pirates, it's because they have no damn loyalty.

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#13 Vandalvideo

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. smokeydabear076

Epic and id use Starforce?

They are about to adopt it so I heard.

That would not be a good idea.

Its better than ****ing about piracy that isn't even happening to your games because of CD Keys requiring activation, and they are primarily online only games in the first place, so its redundant to even pirate them.

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#14 coolguy1111

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. magus-21

Epic and id use Starforce?

No but you try pirating a game to play online.

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. magus-21

Epic and id use Starforce?

Those things mess up your PC so why do legal consumers have to pay for what pirates do.

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[QUOTE="Zero_Fate_"]
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. Vandalvideo

Did you miss the UT04? If you did your really missing out.

No? I played it?

Sorry for the typo, I meant if you didnt get the chance to play UT:04 because of the CDKey activation or something like that then your really missing out on one of the best PC shooters IMO.

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#17 True_Gamer_

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They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. Vandalvideo

Well I agree 100% I would suggest these guys to wake up and understand how easy its to pirate on consoles...
Piracy on PC:
1. Venture in warez vira ridden sites.
2. Get a virus/Format PC
3. Venture in warez vira ridden sites with a bit of luck not getting infected
4. Download game risking ending up in jail.
5. Again repeat steps 1-3 to find a no cd crack
6. A patch releases so wait for a No CD crack to be released
7. In case of starforce risk breaking down your entire machine
8. Finally able to run a buggy non patched game.
9. NO Multiplayer because that requires an original game

Piracy on consoles:
1. Flash your DVD drive at your Xbox360 or have it flshed for €50
2. Rent a game
3. Copy the game
4. Take the rented game back
5. Enjoy your €5 game.

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[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. coolguy1111

Epic and id use Starforce?

No but you try pirating a game to play online.

from what I hear its difficult as hell, since they use authorization for most games, and PB goes crazy when something is wrong.

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#19 Vandalvideo

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. True_Gamer_

Well I agree 100% I would suggest these guys to wake up and understand how easy its to pirate on consoles...
Piracy on PC:
1. Venture in warez vira ridden sites.
2. Get a virus/Format PC
3. Venture in warez vira ridden sites with a bit of luck not getting infected
4. Download game risking ending up in jail.
5. Again repeat steps 1-3 to find a no cd crack
6. A patch releases so wait for a No CD crack to be released
7. In case of starforce risk breaking down your entire machine
8. Finally able to run a buggy non patched game.
9. NO Multiplayer because that requires an original game

Piracy on consoles:
1. Flash your DVD drive at your Xbox360 or have it flshed for €50
2. Rent a game
3. Copy the game
4. Take the rented game back
5. Enjoy your €5 game.

I use Airopeek and NetStumbler. I'm pretty safe. But I digress. It is extermely easy to pirate console games. I think I'll pirate U3 console just to smite them.

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#20 Einhanderkiller

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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. Vandalvideo

Epic and id use Starforce?

They are about to adopt it so I heard.

That would not be a good idea.

Its better than ****ing about piracy that isn't even happening to your games because of CD Keys requiring activation, and they are primarily online only games in the first place, so its redundant to even pirate them.

Starforce would make it worse. Have you read all the controversy about Starforce? There have been numerous reports of it completely rendering optical drives useless and causing the user to format his or her computer. This is the reason why Ubisoft ditched it in favor of SecuROM.

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#21 The_Game21x

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It's not falling apart, but it's not exactly doing as good as it used to.

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#22 True_Gamer_

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What should of been PC exclusives: UNREAL TOURNAMENT, Quake Wars.
Multiplatform explanied:
Source: http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/46079
Across two separate lectures at this week's Game Developers Conference, id Software CEO Todd Hollenshead and Epic Games president Michael Capps both admitted that piracy of PC games caused their companies to pursue developing beyond the PC platform. "Piracy has pushed id as being multiplatform," stated Hollenshead, whose company contracted Z-Axis to handle the PlayStation 3 version and Nerve Software the Xbox 360 edition of Splash Damage's forthcoming Enemy Territory: Quake Wars (PC).

Comments made by Epic's Capps carried a similar tone. "PC gaming is really falling apart," he revealed. "It killed us to make Unreal Tournament 3 cross-platform, but Epic had to do it," adding "the market that would buy a $600 video card knows how Bittorrent works." Epic is currently developing Unreal Tournament 3 for the PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 in-house.

Meanwhile, Firaxis designer and programmer Soren Johnson remained confident in PC development. He suggested that "game design on the PC is going to bend toward persistence," noting Blizzard's World of Warcraft is "successful because you can't pirate WoW. You cannot pirate an MMO. Period."redneckdouglas
Who/what did they blaim? High video card price, Bittorrent users!

This guy is a JOKE....
Doesnt ANYONE tell him about smth called a PRIVATE SERVER?

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#23 Vandalvideo

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. Einhanderkiller

Epic and id use Starforce?

They are about to adopt it so I heard.

That would not be a good idea.

Its better than ****ing about piracy that isn't even happening to your games because of CD Keys requiring activation, and they are primarily online only games in the first place, so its redundant to even pirate them.

Starforce would make it worse. Have you read all the controversy about Starforce? There have been numerous reports of it completely rendering optical drives useless and causing the user to format his or her computer. This is the reason why Ubisoft ditched it in favor of SecuROM.

You gotta take hardline measures against hackers. Otherwise they'll just use Daemon. Its not worth disconecting your harddrive and all this for a pirated game.

17 years ago

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#24 smokeydabear076

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[QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. Vandalvideo

Epic and id use Starforce?

They are about to adopt it so I heard.

That would not be a good idea.

Its better than ****ing about piracy that isn't even happening to your games because of CD Keys requiring activation, and they are primarily online only games in the first place, so its redundant to even pirate them.

I think that they are just complaining about this to cover up their main motive for making their games on consoles... money.

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#25 Unforgiven2870

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[QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. Vandalvideo

Epic and id use Starforce?

They are about to adopt it so I heard.

Eveyone knows Starforce is the worst program protection,in the world.

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#26 Vandalvideo

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. Unforgiven2870

Epic and id use Starforce?

They are about to adopt it so I heard.

Eveyone knows Starforce is the worst program protection,in the world.

Actually its the best defense against hackers because it requires physical labor to get past. Most hackers don't like physical labor.

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#27 smokeydabear076

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It's not falling apart, but it's not exactly doing as good as it used to.The_Game21x

Indeed, I hope that it makes a comeback.

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#28 True_Gamer_

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[QUOTE="Einhanderkiller"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. Vandalvideo

Epic and id use Starforce?

They are about to adopt it so I heard.

That would not be a good idea.

Its better than ****ing about piracy that isn't even happening to your games because of CD Keys requiring activation, and they are primarily online only games in the first place, so its redundant to even pirate them.

Starforce would make it worse. Have you read all the controversy about Starforce? There have been numerous reports of it completely rendering optical drives useless and causing the user to format his or her computer. This is the reason why Ubisoft ditched it in favor of SecuROM.

You gotta take hardline measures against hackers. Otherwise they'll just use Daemon. Its not worth disconecting your harddrive and all this for a pirated game.

Its so funny how downloaders still play starforce protected games while the legitimate customer is being punished for being lawobiding...
Plus a starforce emploee posted a warez link for the GalCivs game at their forums just because Stardock doesnt believe in nazi copy portections...

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#29 smokeydabear076

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. Unforgiven2870

Epic and id use Starforce?

They are about to adopt it so I heard.

Eveyone knows Starforce is the worst program protection,in the world.

It is easy to remove so I do not see the point in having it in the first place.

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#30 AdrianWerner

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well, if they made better fresher games they wouldn't have that problem. Somehow Valve is doing wonderfuly, the same with BF2

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. True_Gamer_

Well I agree 100% I would suggest these guys to wake up and understand how easy its to pirate on consoles...
Piracy on PC:
1. Venture in warez vira ridden sites.
2. Get a virus/Format PC
3. Venture in warez vira ridden sites with a bit of luck not getting infected
4. Download game risking ending up in jail.
5. Again repeat steps 1-3 to find a no cd crack
6. A patch releases so wait for a No CD crack to be released
7. In case of starforce risk breaking down your entire machine
8. Finally able to run a buggy non patched game.
9. NO Multiplayer because that requires an original game

Piracy on consoles:
1. Flash your DVD drive at your Xbox360 or have it flshed for €50
2. Rent a game
3. Copy the game
4. Take the rented game back
5. Enjoy your €5 game.

Dude it's far easier to pirate on the PC than on a console.

17 years ago

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This article is old and more than a little bit ridiculous. They just don't want to upset the PC community that's given them unending support for the past 10 years by telling them "yeah, we know you guys have stuck with us and bought all our games and created amazing online and mod communities, but we're gonna go ahead and start focusing more on consoles where we can make more money by charging for Horse Armor".

Seriously, piracy never was and never will be a problem for them. You can't pirate if you wanna play online, and most people don't know how to do it anyway. I mean seriously, they say "anyone who owns a $600 video card knows how to use BitTorrent" but what percentage of their customers actually owns a $600 video card? 1%? 2%? It's ridiculous.

They just wanna make more money, end of story. And I don't have a problem with that, I just wish they didn't come up with BS excuses like this.

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#33 Vandalvideo

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[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. PS3_3DO

Well I agree 100% I would suggest these guys to wake up and understand how easy its to pirate on consoles...
Piracy on PC:
1. Venture in warez vira ridden sites.
2. Get a virus/Format PC
3. Venture in warez vira ridden sites with a bit of luck not getting infected
4. Download game risking ending up in jail.
5. Again repeat steps 1-3 to find a no cd crack
6. A patch releases so wait for a No CD crack to be released
7. In case of starforce risk breaking down your entire machine
8. Finally able to run a buggy non patched game.
9. NO Multiplayer because that requires an original game

Piracy on consoles:
1. Flash your DVD drive at your Xbox360 or have it flshed for €50
2. Rent a game
3. Copy the game
4. Take the rented game back
5. Enjoy your €5 game.

Dude it's far easier to pirate on the PC than on a console.

No, no its not. I could do it in five minutes. Besides, I could always just social engineer me a copy of any console game I wanted. Social engineering is another form of hacking after all.

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#34 coolguy1111

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[QUOTE="coolguy1111"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. cobrax25

Epic and id use Starforce?

No but you try pirating a game to play online.

from what I hear its difficult as hell, since they use authorization for most games, and PB goes crazy when something is wrong.

PB goes crazy if your not an admin on your pc :lol:, but yea its near impossible for games that require steam, and games like WC3, BF2, and pretty much every PC game that checks your cd key. Only game i can think of that doesnt do that is the NFS games.

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#35 Unforgiven2870

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[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. Vandalvideo

Epic and id use Starforce?

They are about to adopt it so I heard.

Eveyone knows Starforce is the worst program protection,in the world.

Actually its the best defense against hackers because it requires physical labor to get past. Most hackers don't like physical labor.

Lmao,if thats what you really think then you are as blind as a bat.Starforce is really hackers heaven.

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well, if they made better fresher games they wouldn't have that problem. Somehow Valve is doing wonderfuly, the same with BF2AdrianWerner

because Valve is smart, and uses steam to authenticate single player. which makes Valve games virtually impossible to Pirate. BF2, is online focused, so a pirated version will always suck.

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#37 smokeydabear076

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This article is old and more than a little bit ridiculous. They just don't want to upset the PC community that's given them unending support for the past 10 years by telling them "yeah, we know you guys have stuck with us and bought all our games and created amazing online and mod communities, but we're gonna go ahead and start focusing more on consoles where we can make more money by charging for Horse Armor".

Seriously, piracy never was and never will be a problem for them. You can't pirate if you wanna play online, and most people don't know how to do it anyway. I mean seriously, they say "anyone who owns a $600 video card knows how to use BitTorrent" but what percentage of their customers actually owns a $600 video card? 1%? 2%? It's ridiculous.

They just wanna make more money, end of story. And I don't have a problem with that, I just wish they didn't come up with BS excuses like this.
Teufelhuhn

The only time that I will have a problem with this is if they start making more of their games for consoles only.

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#38 Vandalvideo

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. Unforgiven2870

Epic and id use Starforce?

They are about to adopt it so I heard.

Eveyone knows Starforce is the worst program protection,in the world.

Actually its the best defense against hackers because it requires physical labor to get past. Most hackers don't like physical labor.

Lmao,if thats what you really think then you are as blind as a bat.Starforce is really hackers heaven.

Hackers like dissesembling their etnire computer for the sake of one game? I'll be screwed blue and tattooed.

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#39 coolguy1111

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People need to realize, pirates dont pirate games that are worth money and they want to play. Ill be honest, I pirated games, none of those games i pirated, did I play longer then 5 hours, and i would have NEVER bought them.

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#40 AdrianWerner

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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]well, if they made better fresher games they wouldn't have that problem. Somehow Valve is doing wonderfuly, the same with BF2cobrax25

because Valve is smart, and uses steam to authenticate single player. which makes Valve games virtually impossible to Pirate. BF2, is online focused, so a pirated version will always suck.

Ermm...everything from STEAM was pirated. And yeah BF2 is MP-only, but so are QW and UT3.

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[QUOTE="Einhanderkiller"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. Vandalvideo

Epic and id use Starforce?

They are about to adopt it so I heard.

That would not be a good idea.

Its better than ****ing about piracy that isn't even happening to your games because of CD Keys requiring activation, and they are primarily online only games in the first place, so its redundant to even pirate them.

Starforce would make it worse. Have you read all the controversy about Starforce? There have been numerous reports of it completely rendering optical drives useless and causing the user to format his or her computer. This is the reason why Ubisoft ditched it in favor of SecuROM.

You gotta take hardline measures against hackers. Otherwise they'll just use Daemon. Its not worth disconecting your harddrive and all this for a pirated game.

And its also not right to inflict that kind of garbage on people who pay 50 bucks for their game, and don't even know what copy-protection is. I would never buy anything that has the kind of invasive crap that StarFORCE uses, it's the equivalent of them sending some goon over to my house to sit in my room and make sure I don't pirate anything. Except the goon sometimes accidentally smashes up your optical drive.

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#42 coolguy1111

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[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]well, if they made better fresher games they wouldn't have that problem. Somehow Valve is doing wonderfuly, the same with BF2AdrianWerner

because Valve is smart, and uses steam to authenticate single player. which makes Valve games virtually impossible to Pirate. BF2, is online focused, so a pirated version will always suck.

Ermm...everything from STEAM was pirated. And yeah BF2 is MP-only, but so are QW and UT3.

Steam is really hard to pirate it, and not worth it to play a 20$ game. People that pirate Half life, are doing it just to do it.

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[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="coolguy1111"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. coolguy1111

Epic and id use Starforce?

No but you try pirating a game to play online.

from what I hear its difficult as hell, since they use authorization for most games, and PB goes crazy when something is wrong.

PB goes crazy if your not an admin on your pc :lol:, but yea its near impossible for games that require steam, and games like WC3, BF2, and pretty much every PC game that checks your cd key. Only game i can think of that doesnt do that is the NFS games.

the thing thats dangerous, is that if PB catches you, not only are you banned from that game, but you are banned from every game that uses PB. and on top of that, in order to get around the Ban, you need to replace actual hardware, since its a guid ban.

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#44 achilles614

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[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]
[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. Vandalvideo

Well I agree 100% I would suggest these guys to wake up and understand how easy its to pirate on consoles...
Piracy on PC:
1. Venture in warez vira ridden sites.
2. Get a virus/Format PC
3. Venture in warez vira ridden sites with a bit of luck not getting infected
4. Download game risking ending up in jail.
5. Again repeat steps 1-3 to find a no cd crack
6. A patch releases so wait for a No CD crack to be released
7. In case of starforce risk breaking down your entire machine
8. Finally able to run a buggy non patched game.
9. NO Multiplayer because that requires an original game

Piracy on consoles:
1. Flash your DVD drive at your Xbox360 or have it flshed for €50
2. Rent a game
3. Copy the game
4. Take the rented game back
5. Enjoy your €5 game.

Dude it's far easier to pirate on the PC than on a console.

No, no its not. I could do it in five minutes. Besides, I could always just social engineer me a copy of any console game I wanted. Social engineering is another form of hacking after all.

it's more like this for pirating pc games. 1. go to torrent website. 2. search for game 3. download it using torrent program. simple as can be and it's not the 360 where you could render it completely useless because you screwed up wiring in the chip.

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#45 coolguy1111

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[QUOTE="coolguy1111"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="coolguy1111"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. cobrax25

Epic and id use Starforce?

No but you try pirating a game to play online.

from what I hear its difficult as hell, since they use authorization for most games, and PB goes crazy when something is wrong.

PB goes crazy if your not an admin on your pc :lol:, but yea its near impossible for games that require steam, and games like WC3, BF2, and pretty much every PC game that checks your cd key. Only game i can think of that doesnt do that is the NFS games.

the thing thats dangerous, is that if PB catches you, not only are you banned from that game, but you are banned from every game that uses PB. and on top of that, in order to get around the Ban, you need to replace actual hardware, since its a guid ban.

Wow, dumb. Yea, i got blocked from PB alot, when i used to play CoD1, turned out, it was something wrong with PB where it freaked out if you werent admin. PB is garbage and im glad it died. But PB was more for hackers wasnt it?

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#46 coolguy1111

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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]
[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. achilles614

Well I agree 100% I would suggest these guys to wake up and understand how easy its to pirate on consoles...
Piracy on PC:
1. Venture in warez vira ridden sites.
2. Get a virus/Format PC
3. Venture in warez vira ridden sites with a bit of luck not getting infected
4. Download game risking ending up in jail.
5. Again repeat steps 1-3 to find a no cd crack
6. A patch releases so wait for a No CD crack to be released
7. In case of starforce risk breaking down your entire machine
8. Finally able to run a buggy non patched game.
9. NO Multiplayer because that requires an original game

Piracy on consoles:
1. Flash your DVD drive at your Xbox360 or have it flshed for €50
2. Rent a game
3. Copy the game
4. Take the rented game back
5. Enjoy your €5 game.

Dude it's far easier to pirate on the PC than on a console.

No, no its not. I could do it in five minutes. Besides, I could always just social engineer me a copy of any console game I wanted. Social engineering is another form of hacking after all.

it's more like this for pirating pc games. 1. go to torrent website. 2. search for game 3. download it using torrent program. simple as can be and it's not the 360 where you could render it completely useless because you screwed up wiring in the chip.

No its go to turrent site, hope the turrent your dling is ligit, spend 3 days dling it, try instailing it with daemon tools, hope it works, then get a cd key/crack, hope they work, and then not be able to play it online. For the PS2, put a mod chip in there, which is pretty simple, and someone can do it for you for cheap, dl the game, hope its legit, burn it to a dvd, and play.

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#47 Mr_BillGates

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teh e-DRAMA starts now!

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#48 Vandalvideo

Member since 2003 • 39655 Posts

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]
[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. achilles614

Well I agree 100% I would suggest these guys to wake up and understand how easy its to pirate on consoles...
Piracy on PC:
1. Venture in warez vira ridden sites.
2. Get a virus/Format PC
3. Venture in warez vira ridden sites with a bit of luck not getting infected
4. Download game risking ending up in jail.
5. Again repeat steps 1-3 to find a no cd crack
6. A patch releases so wait for a No CD crack to be released
7. In case of starforce risk breaking down your entire machine
8. Finally able to run a buggy non patched game.
9. NO Multiplayer because that requires an original game

Piracy on consoles:
1. Flash your DVD drive at your Xbox360 or have it flshed for €50
2. Rent a game
3. Copy the game
4. Take the rented game back
5. Enjoy your €5 game.

Dude it's far easier to pirate on the PC than on a console.

No, no its not. I could do it in five minutes. Besides, I could always just social engineer me a copy of any console game I wanted. Social engineering is another form of hacking after all.

it's more like this for pirating pc games. 1. go to torrent website. 2. search for game 3. download it using torrent program. simple as can be and it's not the 360 where you could render it completely useless because you screwed up wiring in the chip.

Like I said, I could get any console game in under five minutes by using social engineering.

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#49 Unforgiven2870

Member since 2004 • 6386 Posts

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Einhanderkiller"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. Teufelhuhn

Epic and id use Starforce?

They are about to adopt it so I heard.

That would not be a good idea.

Its better than ****ing about piracy that isn't even happening to your games because of CD Keys requiring activation, and they are primarily online only games in the first place, so its redundant to even pirate them.

Starforce would make it worse. Have you read all the controversy about Starforce? There have been numerous reports of it completely rendering optical drives useless and causing the user to format his or her computer. This is the reason why Ubisoft ditched it in favor of SecuROM.

You gotta take hardline measures against hackers. Otherwise they'll just use Daemon. Its not worth disconecting your harddrive and all this for a pirated game.

And its also not right to inflict that kind of garbage on people who pay 50 bucks for their game, and don't even know what copy-protection is. I would never buy anything that has the kind of invasive crap that StarFORCE uses, it's the equivalent of them sending some goon over to my house to sit in my room and make sure I don't pirate anything. Except the goon sometimes accidentally smashes up your optical drive.

Game-SET-MATCH!Point taken.

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[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="coolguy1111"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="coolguy1111"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. coolguy1111

Epic and id use Starforce?

No but you try pirating a game to play online.

from what I hear its difficult as hell, since they use authorization for most games, and PB goes crazy when something is wrong.

PB goes crazy if your not an admin on your pc :lol:, but yea its near impossible for games that require steam, and games like WC3, BF2, and pretty much every PC game that checks your cd key. Only game i can think of that doesnt do that is the NFS games.

the thing thats dangerous, is that if PB catches you, not only are you banned from that game, but you are banned from every game that uses PB. and on top of that, in order to get around the Ban, you need to replace actual hardware, since its a guid ban.

Wow, dumb. Yea, i got blocked from PB alot, when i used to play CoD1, turned out, it was something wrong with PB where it freaked out if you werent admin. PB is garbage and im glad it died. But PB was more for hackers wasnt it?

PB deffinetly hasnt died out... its still in all the major PC games out. its not bad though, its very efficient, much more so then it used to be. They figured out a way, for admins to take screenshots of every players screen, and then check them for visible hacks.

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