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#101 azrealhk
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M$ has already proven that they can combat Key-gens by analysing them and banning them, because most key gens only generate a "narrow" subset of keys. Legit users can then request another key, if their legit key falls in the range. This happened with then SP2 patch from M$ for XP. If the Key gen can gen all keys, then they are probably using ineffective protection.
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#102 deactivated-57af49c27f4e8
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it is pretty easy to pirate PC games nowadays.
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#103 imprezawrx500
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its not the piracy but the fact the make boring single player modes, if you look at the fps that have sold well recently, half life 2, it has a single player mod 100x better than what q4 had. 1 the level design is different in ever level unlike q4 where they all look the same 2 q4 you can't break things in the same way as in hl2 and the physis look last gen next to hl2 3 hl2 has much better charators etc etc
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#104 X360PS3AMD05
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I actually buy my games and i spent a lot of cash on my PC. This is just ****ing me off. I've been a console boy my whole life, , i think i'll save for a 360 instead of upgrading my PC.
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#105 imprezawrx500
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. True_Gamer_


Well I agree 100% I would suggest these guys to wake up and understand how easy its to pirate on consoles...
Piracy on PC:
1. Venture in warez vira ridden sites.
2. Get a virus/Format PC
3. Venture in warez vira ridden sites with a bit of luck not getting infected
4. Download game risking ending up in jail.
5. Again repeat steps 1-3 to find a no cd crack
6. A patch releases so wait for a No CD crack to be released
7. In case of starforce risk breaking down your entire machine
8. Finally able to run a buggy non patched game.
9. NO Multiplayer because that requires an original game

Piracy on consoles:
1. Flash your DVD drive at your Xbox360 or have it flshed for €50
2. Rent a game
3. Copy the game
4. Take the rented game back
5. Enjoy your €5 game.

exactly trying to find the dvd image will kill your files as well as wasting hours trying to find it getting infected with a virus and no dvd image, its just so much easier to buy the game. the no cd cracks are quite easy to find though but the game itself is very hard
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#106 imprezawrx500
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="smokeydabear076"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="magus-21"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. smokeydabear076
Epic and id use Starforce?

They are about to adopt it so I heard.

That would not be a good idea.

Its better than ****ing about piracy that isn't even happening to your games because of CD Keys requiring activation, and they are primarily online only games in the first place, so its redundant to even pirate them.

I think that they are just complaining about this to cover up their main motive for making their games on consoles... money.

well more systems = more money, who makes the most money in video games? ea who has the most multi plat games? ea, funny how ubi doesn't do the same but it seems to dislike sony which costs them lots of sales which ea gets from playstation
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#107 imprezawrx500
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[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]well, if they made better fresher games they wouldn't have that problem. Somehow Valve is doing wonderfuly, the same with BF2AdrianWerner
because Valve is smart, and uses steam to authenticate single player. which makes Valve games virtually impossible to Pirate. BF2, is online focused, so a pirated version will always suck.

Ermm...everything from STEAM was pirated. And yeah BF2 is MP-only, but so are QW and UT3.

steam is a waste of time trying to pirate on
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#108 imprezawrx500
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[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="topgunmv"]

3 days? Using what, dialup? And most torrents come with all the files and directions on how to use them. It's easier to just click a couple links and download a file than it is to order a chip, tear apart a ps2 and put the chip in, and then still having to get your hands on the game.

[QUOTE="coolguy1111"][QUOTE="achilles614"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. achilles614



Well I agree 100% I would suggest these guys to wake up and understand how easy its to pirate on consoles...
Piracy on PC:
1. Venture in warez vira ridden sites.
2. Get a virus/Format PC
3. Venture in warez vira ridden sites with a bit of luck not getting infected
4. Download game risking ending up in jail.
5. Again repeat steps 1-3 to find a no cd crack
6. A patch releases so wait for a No CD crack to be released
7. In case of starforce risk breaking down your entire machine
8. Finally able to run a buggy non patched game.
9. NO Multiplayer because that requires an original game

Piracy on consoles:
1. Flash your DVD drive at your Xbox360 or have it flshed for €50
2. Rent a game
3. Copy the game
4. Take the rented game back
5. Enjoy your €5 game.

Dude it's far easier to pirate on the PC than on a console.

No, no its not. I could do it in five minutes. Besides, I could always just social engineer me a copy of any console game I wanted. Social engineering is another form of hacking after all.

it's more like this for pirating pc games. 1. go to torrent website. 2. search for game 3. download it using torrent program. simple as can be and it's not the 360 where you could render it completely useless because you screwed up wiring in the chip.

No its go to turrent site, hope the turrent your dling is ligit, spend 3 days dling it, try instailing it with daemon tools, hope it works, then get a cd key/crack, hope they work, and then not be able to play it online. For the PS2, put a mod chip in there, which is pretty simple, and someone can do it for you for cheap, dl the game, hope its legit, burn it to a dvd, and play.



Two things:
SWAP MAGIC
RENTING

Console Piracy is MUCH easier than PC...

not really considering for a pc all you need is well a pc and for consoles you have to get a chip and do other stuff.

what you mean is your affraid of opening up your $600 box and installing a chip cause you might break it and render it usesless and the warrenty will be void
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#109 imprezawrx500
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[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="achilles614"][QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="topgunmv"]

3 days? Using what, dialup? And most torrents come with all the files and directions on how to use them. It's easier to just click a couple links and download a file than it is to order a chip, tear apart a ps2 and put the chip in, and then still having to get your hands on the game.

[QUOTE="coolguy1111"][QUOTE="achilles614"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. achilles614



Well I agree 100% I would suggest these guys to wake up and understand how easy its to pirate on consoles...
Piracy on PC:
1. Venture in warez vira ridden sites.
2. Get a virus/Format PC
3. Venture in warez vira ridden sites with a bit of luck not getting infected
4. Download game risking ending up in jail.
5. Again repeat steps 1-3 to find a no cd crack
6. A patch releases so wait for a No CD crack to be released
7. In case of starforce risk breaking down your entire machine
8. Finally able to run a buggy non patched game.
9. NO Multiplayer because that requires an original game

Piracy on consoles:
1. Flash your DVD drive at your Xbox360 or have it flshed for €50
2. Rent a game
3. Copy the game
4. Take the rented game back
5. Enjoy your €5 game.

Dude it's far easier to pirate on the PC than on a console.

No, no its not. I could do it in five minutes. Besides, I could always just social engineer me a copy of any console game I wanted. Social engineering is another form of hacking after all.

it's more like this for pirating pc games. 1. go to torrent website. 2. search for game 3. download it using torrent program. simple as can be and it's not the 360 where you could render it completely useless because you screwed up wiring in the chip.

No its go to turrent site, hope the turrent your dling is ligit, spend 3 days dling it, try instailing it with daemon tools, hope it works, then get a cd key/crack, hope they work, and then not be able to play it online. For the PS2, put a mod chip in there, which is pretty simple, and someone can do it for you for cheap, dl the game, hope its legit, burn it to a dvd, and play.



Two things:
SWAP MAGIC
RENTING

Console Piracy is MUCH easier than PC...

not really considering for a pc all you need is well a pc and for consoles you have to get a chip and do other stuff.



Swap Magic is a boot backup disk thats being sold LEGALLY online!!!! Just google it...
And for consoles you just rent copy and play...whats the "other stuff"?

illegal stuff. either pirating pc games is far easier no matter how you look at it.

trying to download pc games is a real pain. 1 install the bitorent 2 set it up 3 seach for the game and you don't get any cd images 4 search again same thing happends 5 try again and you get 1 so called cd image but once you download it it isn't a real image or the image wont download 6 you go to the shop and buy the game and copy it and then sell the game lossing half what you paid for the game so the game company still gets money
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#110 imprezawrx500
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[QUOTE="azrealhk"]M$ has already proven that they can combat Key-gens by analysing them and banning them, because most key gens only generate a "narrow" subset of keys. Legit users can then request another key, if their legit key falls in the range. This happened with then SP2 patch from M$ for XP. If the Key gen can gen all keys, then they are probably using ineffective protection.

win xp can be pirated but you have to know a lot about hacking to do it and its just not worth it, since new m$ things don't work if the key is illigal, and they have a very annoying message the pops up all the time as well if it installs itself and vista has all the stuff build in.
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This really isn't a major surprise. I think anyone can tell PC gaming is not what it used to be now with every major PC game being moved to consoles. Some games that started on PC are now mainly for consoles (GTA, COD etc). Bioware/Epic switching to consoles etc. I wouldn't say PC gaming is dying, but it's certainly not advancing like console gaming is.
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#112 secretsaiyan007
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[QUOTE="azrealhk"]M$ has already proven that they can combat Key-gens by analysing them and banning them, because most key gens only generate a "narrow" subset of keys. Legit users can then request another key, if their legit key falls in the range. This happened with then SP2 patch from M$ for XP. If the Key gen can gen all keys, then they are probably using ineffective protection.

Whatever ms does, it cannot stop piracy. Vista is already cracked. lol.
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="MTBare"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Matt747uk"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Matt747uk"]How could anyone not have seen this coming, thing is the majority people who use the PC for gaming have a reasonable knowledge of computers therefore are more able to pirate games, there's a lot of people who use consoles who have absolutely no idea how to pirate. Piracy is a big thing in PC gaming, and is adding to its downfall.

You don't get it. Having someone say they are making console gamse because of piracy, WHEN THEIR GAMES AREN'T EVEN BEING PIRATED is extremely redundandt. ID/Epic make mainly online games that are nearly impossible to pirate because of cdkey authentication.

There are still a lot of PC fans out there who live off piracy and refuse to pay for a game. I think the main thing is they see PC gaming as a sinking ship.

Your point? The entire basis for this thread is a bunch of knit willies who are complaining for no reason. How would you feel if this scenario played out: A drug prevention guy comes to your school: "Ok today kids I'm going to talk about how Marijuana ruined my life and how its very bad for you. let me start off by saying I've never done Marijuana, but its like I have done it." HES NOT CREDIBLE.

I'm pretty sure both companies have had their games pirated..

They're games are extremely online based. To even pirated one is extremely redundant because of the cd key authentication to play online. It defeats the purpose.

People who pirate games play games on private servers and through softwares like Hamachi[google it] It dosen't require a cd key. Its sad, really.
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#114 moomoo_man
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They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. Vandalvideo
Starforce has been cracked and so have many CDKEYS. In fact, all of the consoles except for the PS3 have been cracked as well.
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#115 moomoo_man
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[QUOTE="secretsaiyan007"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="MTBare"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Matt747uk"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Matt747uk"]How could anyone not have seen this coming, thing is the majority people who use the PC for gaming have a reasonable knowledge of computers therefore are more able to pirate games, there's a lot of people who use consoles who have absolutely no idea how to pirate. Piracy is a big thing in PC gaming, and is adding to its downfall.

You don't get it. Having someone say they are making console gamse because of piracy, WHEN THEIR GAMES AREN'T EVEN BEING PIRATED is extremely redundandt. ID/Epic make mainly online games that are nearly impossible to pirate because of cdkey authentication.

There are still a lot of PC fans out there who live off piracy and refuse to pay for a game. I think the main thing is they see PC gaming as a sinking ship.

Your point? The entire basis for this thread is a bunch of knit willies who are complaining for no reason. How would you feel if this scenario played out: A drug prevention guy comes to your school: "Ok today kids I'm going to talk about how Marijuana ruined my life and how its very bad for you. let me start off by saying I've never done Marijuana, but its like I have done it." HES NOT CREDIBLE.

I'm pretty sure both companies have had their games pirated..

They're games are extremely online based. To even pirated one is extremely redundant because of the cd key authentication to play online. It defeats the purpose.

People who pirate games play games on private servers and through softwares like Hamachi[google it] It dosen't require a cd key. Its sad, really.

That's true. Also, contrary to what the Fireaxis developer said, World of Warcraft has been cracked.
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Piracy happens on pc and console right now you can copy any 360 if you have a flashed dvd drive. So it's not like games don't get ripped on the 360 or ps2/psp or gamecube. You can go to almost any bittorent or irc site and find games for any system so anybody that thinks consoles are more secure is just fooling themselves. As long as there is money being charged for software, somebody some where will find a way to get it for free. Welcome to the web and broadband epic and id. What they really should have said is "We would like to make more money by releasing our games to the widest audience possible." I am sure if game prices were lower ie more affordable games would be happy to pay for them instead of looking to pirates. $60 ain't cheap for kids on a tight budget and they are the one's most likely to pirate them. I know that the price is no excuse but I was once a kid also and I didn't have $60 just laying around for games on multiple systems. If the web had been there I would have been very tempted to take advantage of it.
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What should of been PC exclusives: UNREAL TOURNAMENT, Quake Wars.
Multiplatform explained:

Source: http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/46079

Across two separate lectures at this week's Game Developers Conference, id Software CEO Todd Hollenshead and Epic Games president Michael Capps both admitted that piracy of PC games caused their companies to pursue developing beyond the PC platform. "Piracy has pushed id as being multiplatform," stated Hollenshead, whose company contracted Z-Axis to handle the PlayStation 3 version and Nerve Software the Xbox 360 edition of Splash Damage's forthcoming Enemy Territory: Quake Wars (PC).

Comments made by Epic's Capps carried a similar tone. "PC gaming is really falling apart," he revealed. "It killed us to make Unreal Tournament 3 cross-platform, but Epic had to do it," adding "the market that would buy a $600 video card knows how Bittorrent works." Epic is currently developing Unreal Tournament 3 for the PC, PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 in-house.

Meanwhile, Firaxis designer and programmer Soren Johnson remained confident in PC development. He suggested that "game design on the PC is going to bend toward persistence," noting Blizzard's World of Warcraft is "successful because you can't pirate WoW. You cannot pirate an MMO. Period." redneckdouglas

Who/what did they blaim? High video card price, Bittorrent users!

Misconception, piracy isn't killing PC games. Piracy as you guys know it today has been around since usenet got off the ground in 1979, yet it's only now that PC developers started complaining, so what's the deal? It's more likely that the cost to produce the games are so high that they couldn't afford to keep it exclusive to the PC, but they simply aren't man enough to admit it and are using Piracy as a scapegoat.
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#118 Ontain
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. Zero_Fate_

Did you miss the UT04? If you did your really missing out.

meh. i played it and it wasn't THAT great. I liked some of the modes but the game hasn't changed much. maybe i've just played too many UT's.
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#119 Ontain
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[QUOTE="moomoo_man"] That's true. Also, contrary to what the Fireaxis developer said, World of Warcraft has been cracked.

as far as i know it's cracked only to play on private servers. they suck. you don't get the mmorpg feel from those. there are much better lan type games than WoW.
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#120 MyopicCanadian
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. True_Gamer_


Well I agree 100% I would suggest these guys to wake up and understand how easy its to pirate on consoles...
Piracy on PC:
1. Venture in warez vira ridden sites.
2. Get a virus/Format PC
3. Venture in warez vira ridden sites with a bit of luck not getting infected
4. Download game risking ending up in jail.
5. Again repeat steps 1-3 to find a no cd crack
6. A patch releases so wait for a No CD crack to be released
7. In case of starforce risk breaking down your entire machine
8. Finally able to run a buggy non patched game.
9. NO Multiplayer because that requires an original game

Piracy on consoles:
1. Flash your DVD drive at your Xbox360 or have it flshed for €50
2. Rent a game
3. Copy the game
4. Take the rented game back
5. Enjoy your €5 game.

Some of the ridiculous stuff you say manages to amaze me... all that extra crap you added for PC piracy, viruses and formatting your HD?? You make it sound like it's actually difficult to pirate PC games, when it's one of the easiest things to do. The difference with a 360 is once you use cracked firmware, the next time it's updated by Microsoft your xbox will be bricked. They do this to constantly weed out piracy.
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#121 MyopicCanadian
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Back to the original topic: I've seen a growing trend over the years with my friends, since it became easier and easier to pirate games. From finding FTP sites, using fserve on IRC, etc. to the evergrowing popularity of torrents, I don't know anyone who buys every game, but I do have a few friends who still purchase legitimately - however we're in the minority at this point. It's sad, really. People have no guilt or moral dilemma by stealing games... they see nothing wrong with it. I'm glad that developers can atleast make up their money on consoles, so they will continue making games. The worst would be if piracy were to drive companies like id and Epic out of business.
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#122 chrisdojo
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epic/id hasn't made a good pc game for a few years.... so they are helping it fall apart.
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#123 rock_solid
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i agree with the soren johnson guy. if these companies make the online multiplayer FANTASTIC, then ppl will want to buy the game to play online.
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#124 redneckdouglas
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What the cheaters download are mostly RTS and single player story games...
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#125 True_Gamer_
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[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]They are extremely overexaggerating. Besides, their games are the LEAST pirated because they use freaking Starforce and CDKEYS that require activation. Even a pro like me would find it not worth while. MyopicCanadian


Well I agree 100% I would suggest these guys to wake up and understand how easy its to pirate on consoles...
Piracy on PC:
1. Venture in warez vira ridden sites.
2. Get a virus/Format PC
3. Venture in warez vira ridden sites with a bit of luck not getting infected
4. Download game risking ending up in jail.
5. Again repeat steps 1-3 to find a no cd crack
6. A patch releases so wait for a No CD crack to be released
7. In case of starforce risk breaking down your entire machine
8. Finally able to run a buggy non patched game.
9. NO Multiplayer because that requires an original game

Piracy on consoles:
1. Flash your DVD drive at your Xbox360 or have it flshed for €50
2. Rent a game
3. Copy the game
4. Take the rented game back
5. Enjoy your €5 game.

Some of the ridiculous stuff you say manages to amaze me... all that extra crap you added for PC piracy, viruses and formatting your HD?? You make it sound like it's actually difficult to pirate PC games, when it's one of the easiest things to do. The difference with a 360 is once you use cracked firmware, the next time it's updated by Microsoft your xbox will be bricked. They do this to constantly weed out piracy.



Sooo youre saying that there isnt a risk of being caught by the FBI for violating federal copyright laws?
That there isnt a risk catching a virus while visiting shady warez/porn sites?
Also do you actually believe that console pirates give a sh***t about XBL? Only 10% of whole Xbox1 users got XBL and I dont see this changing this gen... If someone can have 50 games instead of 5 games I believe that person wont have the need of XBL to keep him entertained...because offline multiplayer can be a decent substitute to the online one...
The renting industry on itself offers games to be pirated SAFELY with 0 chances to be caught!!!!
And thats the main pain of consoles...one doesnt even need a internet connection to pirate games...