If a $600 PC can produce console graphics...

[QUOTE="AncientDozer"]

Sigh. I hate this argument and this rivalry because it's more complicated than everyone makes it out to be.

Cost is a big thing, sure, but it's not the only argument and then there's a bigger context. Sure, there are a few farsighted people with excellent technical ability and smart money-handling skills but then there are a lot of people who aren't. Even if everyone on this forum knew how to construct these cheap but powerful computers, it's still only a small fraction of a greater population and more importantly, are the people willing and able to commit to such a project? I've done it before and I hate messing with that crap; it's infuriating. And it doesn't all instantly work.

Which brings up the other big argument for consoles. It tends to be hassle free. Plug it in. Put in disk. Turn on. Play game. All games are to work on the console. There is no "do I need to tweak my settings" or "do I have to buy new cards".

Vandalvideo

EDIT:-Pastes- "PC gaming should be more expensive,look at what they do."

Wow. PC vs. Console gaming argument. Its like the gift that keeps on giving. Problem is the gift is a pile of dog %&#! served in bowl of intestinal stew.

PC gamers really can't figure out why console gamers prefer their consoles?

Console gamers really can't figure out why PC gamers are so dedicated to their machines?

I've been on both sides. I spent a good decade or so being very dedicated to the hardware, software, tweaking and upgrading that make PC gaming a hobby instead of a mere passtime. Recently however, I don't feel like doing all that, I just pop in a disc and play a game. I lovingly refer to my PC as my "World of Warcraft machine". Oh, it browses the internet tubes, too.

These days I don't think PC gaming is terribly more expensive than console gaming, since the bulk of money I spend on my gaming is in the games anyway. Cheaper PC games help negate some of the extra hardware costs. When I was in to PC gaming, this really wasn't the case. It wasn't so easy to hook your PC up to a TV. There was no newegg.com. Micro Center was only an order-by-mail catalog.

The core of the problem, as far as I'm concerned, is this: Console gaming is a passtime, true PC gaming is a hobby. I was just as dedicated, if not more, to the hardware of my PC as I was to the games. You don't just buy a PC and pop in a disc and play, you build a PC, you install a fresh, tweaked copy of your OS with all the BS "features" and services trimmed out, you install fresh, up-to-date drivers, tweak the %#^! out of every setting you can, maybe O/C a little bit... theres nothing quite like the joy of a well-built, fast and efficient PC... but sometimes you don't want all that bull^%#^. You just wanna play the damn game, and thats where consoles fit in.

$600 dollar PC can produce console graphics.

Just load up Gens, ZSNES, and boom some of the greatest video game graphics on your PC!

Not all console players are narrow minded. The reason I play a console is because to be COMPETITIVE on PC you have to end up upgrading over and over to get the correct draw distances etc... Lag is much much LESS prevalent on the consoles from my experiences because everybody is playing on a system with equal specs. You hermits can be just as narrow minded as any console fanboy can. It really bugs me that almost every PC gamer on this forum acts with such a condescending tone it really drags the image of the whole community down.zeroncali

HEY GET BACK HERE.

Can't have my thoughts getting out and posting themselves without me.

Wow. PC vs. Console gaming argument. Its like the gift that keeps on giving. Problem is the gift is a pile of dog %&#! served in bowl of intestinal stew.

PC gamers really can't figure out why console gamers prefer their consoles?

Console gamers really can't figure out why PC gamers are so dedicated to their machines?

I've been on both sides. I spent a good decade or so being very dedicated to the hardware, software, tweaking and upgrading that make PC gaming a hobby instead of a mere passtime. Recently however, I don't feel like doing all that, I just pop in a disc and play a game. I lovingly refer to my PC as my "World of Warcraft machine". Oh, it browses the internet tubes, too.

These days I don't think PC gaming is terribly more expensive than console gaming, since the bulk of money I spend on my gaming is in the games anyway. Cheaper PC games help negate some of the extra hardware costs. When I was in to PC gaming, this really wasn't the case. It wasn't so easy to hook your PC up to a TV. There was no newegg.com. Micro Center was only an order-by-mail catalog.

The core of the problem, as far as I'm concerned, is this: Console gaming is a passtime, true PC gaming is a hobby. I was just as dedicated, if not more, to the hardware of my PC as I was to the games. You don't just buy a PC and pop in a disc and play, you build a PC, you install a fresh, tweaked copy of your OS with all the BS "features" and services trimmed out, you install fresh, up-to-date drivers, tweak the %#^! out of every setting you can, maybe O/C a little bit... theres nothing quite like the joy of a well-built, fast and efficient PC... but sometimes you don't want all that bull^%#^. You just wanna play the damn game, and thats where consoles fit in.

Corvin

The hobby vs. passtime argument is interesting. However what we have here is a *forum* dedicated to *gaming*. When you're at the point where you spend hours of your life posting on a message board instead of doing manly things like reading Maddox or watching videos of girls jumping on trampolines, the ability to pretend gaming isn't a hobby of yours goes out the window.

It's all well and good to prefer a console, whatever, everyone has a preference and if it came up "PC gaming" every time the world would be a less interesting place.

The point is that a lot of people on SW could easily handle the "hobby" aspects of PC gaming. I mainly see a world populated by people who don't have their own money (their console was bought for them by Mommy & Daddy), arbitrarily hate the PC due to their own misconceptions ("PC can't do HD"... yeah you know who), or don't realize that PC gaming has evolved greatly, before consoles have.

You raise a point of the old-world of PC gaming, in the new world graphics cards have HDMI ports and handle your surround-sound for you, your PC works with wireless controllers & media center remotes, and media extenders keep you from having to move it around the house. In short they're ahead of consoles in media functionality.

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Then we add in the "best buy" element. We can easily buy the parts and have someone assemble them. But this requires someone to have a knowledge of what parts to buy - they must go to at least one website that updates fairly often, take the recommended build for their budget, and buy those parts. Then we add the reality that a $600 PC produces graphics beyond what any console is capable of, for the "graphics whores" of the world.

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There's nothing wrong with preference, what's wrong with SW is that that "preference" is shorn-up into an anti-PC argument by using falsehoods. Rather than admit "look, I just like the Xbox 360, it's irrational, I don't have to have a reason" people throw down the same tired, worn out falsehoods again and again.

Unfounded statements like "PS3 will be king because PS2 was king" are just as bad, but we just see a greater degree of misconception with PC gaming because more people *want* to hate the PC, they view it as some kind of threat.

[QUOTE="Corvin"]

Wow. PC vs. Console gaming argument. Its like the gift that keeps on giving. Problem is the gift is a pile of dog %&#! served in bowl of intestinal stew.

PC gamers really can't figure out why console gamers prefer their consoles?

Console gamers really can't figure out why PC gamers are so dedicated to their machines?

I've been on both sides. I spent a good decade or so being very dedicated to the hardware, software, tweaking and upgrading that make PC gaming a hobby instead of a mere passtime. Recently however, I don't feel like doing all that, I just pop in a disc and play a game. I lovingly refer to my PC as my "World of Warcraft machine". Oh, it browses the internet tubes, too.

These days I don't think PC gaming is terribly more expensive than console gaming, since the bulk of money I spend on my gaming is in the games anyway. Cheaper PC games help negate some of the extra hardware costs. When I was in to PC gaming, this really wasn't the case. It wasn't so easy to hook your PC up to a TV. There was no newegg.com. Micro Center was only an order-by-mail catalog.

The core of the problem, as far as I'm concerned, is this: Console gaming is a passtime, true PC gaming is a hobby. I was just as dedicated, if not more, to the hardware of my PC as I was to the games. You don't just buy a PC and pop in a disc and play, you build a PC, you install a fresh, tweaked copy of your OS with all the BS "features" and services trimmed out, you install fresh, up-to-date drivers, tweak the %#^! out of every setting you can, maybe O/C a little bit... theres nothing quite like the joy of a well-built, fast and efficient PC... but sometimes you don't want all that bull^%#^. You just wanna play the damn game, and thats where consoles fit in.

subrosian

The hobby vs. passtime argument is interesting. However what we have here is a *forum* dedicated to *gaming*. When you're at the point where you spend hours of your life posting on a message board instead of doing manly things like reading Maddox or watching videos of girls jumping on trampolines, the ability to pretend gaming isn't a hobby of yours goes out the window.

It's all well and good to prefer a console, whatever, everyone has a preference and if it came up "PC gaming" every time the world would be a less interesting place.

The point is that a lot of people on SW could easily handle the "hobby" aspects of PC gaming. I mainly see a world populated by people who don't have their own money (their console was bought for them by Mommy & Daddy), arbitrarily hate the PC due to their own misconceptions ("PC can't do HD"... yeah you know who), or don't realize that PC gaming has evolved greatly, before consoles have.

You raise a point of the old-world of PC gaming, in the new world graphics cards have HDMI ports and handle your surround-sound for you, your PC works with wireless controllers & media center remotes, and media extenders keep you from having to move it around the house. In short they're ahead of consoles in media functionality.

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Then we add in the "best buy" element. We can easily buy the parts and have someone assemble them. But this requires someone to have a knowledge of what parts to buy - they must go to at least one website that updates fairly often, take the recommended build for their budget, and buy those parts. Then we add the reality that a $600 PC produces graphics beyond what any console is capable of, for the "graphics whores" of the world.

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There's nothing wrong with preference, what's wrong with SW is that that "preference" is shorn-up into an anti-PC argument by using falsehoods. Rather than admit "look, I just like the Xbox 360, it's irrational, I don't have to have a reason" people throw down the same tired, worn out falsehoods again and again.

Unfounded statements like "PS3 will be king because PS2 was king" are just as bad, but we just see a greater degree of misconception with PC gaming because more people *want* to hate the PC, they view it as some kind of threat.

Meh, I know a lot of things I said kind of clash in the context of SW...

A lot of people watch sports on TV, then talk about sports on sports forums, listen to sports talk, etc. Yet I don't consider simply watching sports and spending a lot of time involved with talking about sports, to make it a hobby, and I don't see why simply playing video games should be a hobby. Designing games, programming games, building PCs, those are all hobbbies I associate with gaming, but the act of gaming itself, generally, just isn't a hobby in my mind. Don't get me wrong, though, certain games can take on the characteristics, such as building and perfecting your character in an online RPG over the course of months, or competetive play, but thats really the exception not the norm.

As far as SW goes, yeah, the arguments against the PC are pretty suspect, but fortunately SW isn't reality. I know why I don't prefer PC gaming right now, but I have nothing against it, really. PC gaming for too long does carry some side effects, though, like developing an eagle eye for slight framerate stutters (I'm looking at YOU Burnout Paradise on the 360) that bother me far more than they should.

And speaking of Maddox... I wish he would update his page more often. He's had a whole, what, 5 updates for '07?

Meh, I know a lot of things I said kind of clash in the context of SW...

A lot of people watch sports on TV, then talk about sports on sports forums, listen to sports talk, etc. Yet I don't consider simply watching sports and spending a lot of time involved with talking about sports, to make it a hobby, and I don't see why simply playing video games should be a hobby. Designing games, programming games, building PCs, those are all hobbbies I associate with gaming, but the act of gaming itself, generally, just isn't a hobby in my mind. Don't get me wrong, though, certain games can take on the characteristics, such as building and perfecting your character in an online RPG over the course of months, or competetive play, but thats really the exception not the norm.

As far as SW goes, yeah, the arguments against the PC are pretty suspect, but fortunately SW isn't reality. I know why I don't prefer PC gaming right now, but I have nothing against it, really. PC gaming for too long does carry some side effects, though, like developing an eagle eye for slight framerate stutters (I'm looking at YOU Burnout Paradise on the 360) that bother me far more than they should.

And speaking of Maddox... I wish he would update his page more often. He's had a whole, what, 5 updates for '07?

Corvin

I can somewhat agree with that, SW has quite a contingent of people I'd call "uninformed" at best, and they're certainly not people who take an active interest in gaming. I think someone who follows the news, takes a genuine interest in the hardware and software behind their games, et cetera is a hobbyist, even if they never build a PC or program a game. These things should evolve as a natural curiosity for something you're enthusiastic about.

Maybe that's why so many SW arguments read like an amateur sports fan trying to complain about a team. There's always a huge difference between someone with passion versus someone who is clinging to some statistic, tidbit of information, et cetera that they don't fully understand the context or significance of.

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I'm glad SW isn't reality, but I fear "SW Think" is seeping into gaming journalism, game retailing, and game discussion to a point that's unhealthy. It's like we've got a whole busload of Steve Ballmer's yelling about nothing, even outside of this forum.

[QUOTE="wolverine4262"]WOOT $600... What a deal!!!! Especially when you consider that all the consoles can be had for under $450.....Vandalvideo

Not to mention US isnt the world, here in the UK its anywhere between 40% - 60% cheaper to get PC games than console games.

Why would $$$ be a legit argument in SW? I mean if I choose to spend thousands of dollars on a PC any console I want or any item that improves anything related to gaming in any way what does that have to do with anything at all?

SW is about what is best for gaming not about what is cheapest in gaming.

The thing: A $500/600 PC from 2 years ago won't be able to play COD4 at 60fps, Bioshock at max or Gears of War at max. So if you want more performance, you must upgrade costing you more money.Pro_wrestler

think about it though. a $500/600 PC from two years ago would have been able to play any ps2/xbox/gamecube title released on the pc as well. that said, seeing how the xbox360 and the ps3 are supposedly supposed to last for the next five years, any PC purchased for about $800/900 today (which would probably have an estimated value of $500/600 two years from now) should be able to play any xbox360 or ps3 game that will ever be released. so spending a little xtra dough now will pay off in the future i guess.

...whats the point of "teh expensive" "argument" again?True_Gamer_

but it can't ...maybe it can produce games like bullet witch or Wii level graphics.

Hmm..Failure is strong in this one. Though, I agree that the price of PC gaming is blown out of proportion.

The thing: A $500/600 PC from 2 years ago won't be able to play COD4 at 60fps, Bioshock at max or Gears of War at max. So if you want more performance, you must upgrade costing you more money.

High-end GPUs cost around $399 about that time if not more so you've already matched a console in price with just one peripheral...And no..a budget card from 2 years ago certainly won't play COD4/Bioshock/Gears at max settings which is in direct correllation with my first paragraph, a $500/600 PC won't play the latest games at max settings. You can't have your cake and eat it to..

PS. The cake is a pie.Pro_wrestler

What? First of all Bioshock + Gears on PC max looks better then the console counterparts. Not only that CoD 4 doesn't even run at 720p. A PC from 2 years ago at $600~ would have at least a X1900 series or 7800~. It would be enough to run either of those.

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]Hmm..Failure is strong in this one. Though, I agree that the price of PC gaming is blown out of proportion.

The thing: A $500/600 PC from 2 years ago won't be able to play COD4 at 60fps, Bioshock at max or Gears of War at max. So if you want more performance, you must upgrade costing you more money.

High-end GPUs cost around $399 about that time if not more so you've already matched a console in price with just one peripheral...And no..a budget card from 2 years ago certainly won't play COD4/Bioshock/Gears at max settings which is in direct correllation with my first paragraph, a $500/600 PC won't play the latest games at max settings. You can't have your cake and eat it to..

PS. The cake is a pie.Dynafrom

What? First of all Bioshock + Gears on PC max looks better then the console counterparts. Not only that CoD 4 doesn't even run at 720p. A PC from 2 years ago at $600~ would have at least a X1900 series or 7800~. It would be enough to run either of those.

Don't miscontrue the definition of "max" settings. Playing the game as default as possible or reaching that default is "max" settings as the developer intended -- Since the PC has the ability to go above and beyond as far as resolutions is concerned then you will have to dub Gears of War 360 as the default since it can only play at 2 resolutions 720/1080i.

I think your getting past and present mixed up as an X1900 didn't cost what it does now, back then. It would have exceeded the $600 argument. I'm not arguing weather or the PC can render prettier graphics or not either, so stop trying to have your cake and eat it to. PCs cost more upfront.

I think your getting past and present mixed up as an X1900 didn't cost what it does now, back then. It would have exceeded the $600 argument. I'm not arguing weather or the PC can render prettier graphics or not either, so stop trying to have your cake and eat it to. PCs cost more upfront.

Pro_wrestler

Another reason there will always be an argument is ease of use. Like it or not, PCs will never get to the "turnkey" ease of use of consoles. They simply have to be able to do too much to allow for things to be "turnkey" easy. They have to account for piece-of-junk gamepads where the buttons don't match, graphic cards from so many manufacturers that no two can agree on what's best for gaming, motherboards from companies with dodgy reputations, power supplies that can burn out faster than an old 360, and so on. IOW, there are just too many variables...and PC fans enjoy that. To them, it's shopping around. To console fans, though, it's sensory overload. They just want to put in the game and turn on the switch...just as couch potatoes want to just turn on the TV and watch something.

Which might be true, but to what extent exactly? Part by Part? If it's part by part, then that's a non-valid argument. Why? Example: I needed a new graphics card to play WoW, and the CHEAPEST graphics card at BB that was capable of running WoW was $150, not including tax. Luckily, a friend of mine directed me towards newegg, where I was able to find a graphics card for around $45 including shipping if I remember correctly?

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]...whats the point of "teh expensive" "argument" again?turgore

but it can't ...maybe it can produce games like bullet witch or Wii level graphics.

:lol:

Youve gotta be joking...Ive posted a $512 PC that can run any console game at console settings...

Halo3 is 640p!!! :lol:

[QUOTE="Pro_wrestler"]

I think your getting past and present mixed up as an X1900 didn't cost what it does now, back then. It would have exceeded the $600 argument. I'm not arguing weather or the PC can render prettier graphics or not either, so stop trying to have your cake and eat it to. PCs cost more upfront.

HuusAsking

Another reason there will always be an argument is ease of use. Like it or not, PCs will never get to the "turnkey" ease of use of consoles. They simply have to be able to do too much to allow for things to be "turnkey" easy. They have to account for piece-of-junk gamepads where the buttons don't match, graphic cards from so many manufacturers that no two can agree on what's best for gaming, motherboards from companies with dodgy reputations, power supplies that can burn out faster than an old 360, and so on. IOW, there are just too many variables...and PC fans enjoy that. To them, it's shopping around. To console fans, though, it's sensory overload. They just want to put in the game and turn on the switch...just as couch potatoes want to just turn on the TV and watch something.

Ones IQ must be so low to not be able to ask for a list of parts order them and go in any store and assemble these parts for $40....

My sig answers all yoru concerns...

because a $600 pc probably couldnt run the best games on max, even if it could produce console graphics.

If you cant play the best games on your system at the best setting, then something is wrong. Thats on advantage consoles always have. every game is ran at "max' settings barring any development problems.

because a $600 pc probably couldnt run the best games on max, even if it could produce console graphics.

If you cant play the best games on your system at the best setting, then something is wrong. Thats on advantage consoles always have. every game is ran at "max' settings barring any development problems.

JPOBS

Halo3 640p :lol:

CoD4 600p :lol:

because a $600 pc probably couldnt run the best games on max, even if it could produce console graphics.

If you cant play the best games on your system at the best setting, then something is wrong. Thats on advantage consoles always have. every game is ran at "max' settings barring any development problems.

JPOBS

Theres no such thing as a console MAX settings, MAX settings is the best it can possible be, if it cant do what the PC version can at max, THEN THECONSOLE VERSION ISNT MAX.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"]WOOT $600... What a deal!!!! Especially when you consider that all the consoles can be had for under $450.....Meu2k7

Not to mention US isnt the world, here in the UK its anywhere between 40% - 60% cheaper to get PC games than console games.

but you can rent games on consoles

because a $600 pc probably couldnt run the best games on max, even if it could produce console graphics.

If you cant play the best games on your system at the best setting, then something is wrong. Thats on advantage consoles always have. every game is ran at "max' settings barring any development problems.

JPOBS

Every game is on MAX settings? 600p is pretty low for max settings, along with stuttering issues that some games tend to have.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"]WOOT $600... What a deal!!!! Especially when you consider that all the consoles can be had for under $450.....TheBigDrat

Not to mention US isnt the world, here in the UK its anywhere between 40% - 60% cheaper to get PC games than console games.

but you can rent games on consoles

You cant rent long games like GT5/PES2008/FF/GTAIV...just crappy short games....cause the longer you keep them it doesnt make sense not buying them...so even with 6 games per year you can save loads of cash...

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="wolverine4262"]WOOT $600... What a deal!!!! Especially when you consider that all the consoles can be had for under $450.....TheBigDrat

Not to mention US isnt the world, here in the UK its anywhere between 40% - 60% cheaper to get PC games than console games.

but you can rent games on consoles

I can rent PC games ... and borrow them.... and yes, I can play them online, if the other renters decided to hack them, then I would onyl encounter problems if they are online at the same time.

Otherwise its fine... not that I ever rent games for any platform.

I can buy 2 PC games for the price of 1 360 game... so what incentive do I have to buy them?

...whats the point of "teh expensive" "argument" again?True_Gamer_

I don't believe that you could build a PC for the price of a 360 on the day of it'srelease that could out do it graphically. Or are you trying to justify something? If so, then just make this thread every year until the 360 and PS3 have been superceeded. With the PS3, it may well last you until DX11 cards come out :roll:

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]...whats the point of "teh expensive" "argument" again?SgtWhiskeyjack

I don't believe that you could build a PC for the price of a 360 on the day of it'srelease that could out do it graphically. Or are you trying to justify something? If so, then just make this thread every year until the 360 and PS3 have been superceeded. With the PS3, it may well last you until DX11 cards come out :roll:

I see youre having reading difficulties...

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]...whats the point of "teh expensive" "argument" again?SgtWhiskeyjack

I don't believe that you could build a PC for the price of a 360 on the day of it'srelease that could out do it graphically. Or are you trying to justify something? If so, then just make this thread every year until the 360 and PS3 have been superceeded. With the PS3, it may well last you until DX11 cards come out :roll:

Your right, he couldnt, but a PC does so much more, and do not give me that crap about " a cheap PC can do most of it " ... yea but if you add that cheap PC and your 360 price together you get a gaming rig price anyway :lol:.... and it still has more games, and more options.

[QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"]

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]...whats the point of "teh expensive" "argument" again?Meu2k7

I don't believe that you could build a PC for the price of a 360 on the day of it'srelease that could out do it graphically. Or are you trying to justify something? If so, then just make this thread every year until the 360 and PS3 have been superceeded. With the PS3, it may well last you until DX11 cards come out :roll:

Your right, he couldnt, but a PC does so much more, and do not give me that crap about " a cheap PC can do most of it " ... yea but if you add that cheap PC and your 360 price together you get a gaming rig price anyway :lol:.... and it still has more games, and more options.

Of course it does much more, what do you think I'm typing on now? This is my desktop.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"]

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]...whats the point of "teh expensive" "argument" again?SgtWhiskeyjack

I don't believe that you could build a PC for the price of a 360 on the day of it'srelease that could out do it graphically. Or are you trying to justify something? If so, then just make this thread every year until the 360 and PS3 have been superceeded. With the PS3, it may well last you until DX11 cards come out :roll:

Your right, he couldnt, but a PC does so much more, and do not give me that crap about " a cheap PC can do most of it " ... yea but if you add that cheap PC and your 360 price together you get a gaming rig price anyway :lol:.... and it still has more games, and more options.

Of course it does much more, what do you think I'm typing on now? This is my desktop.

I never said any different, but seems you didnt disagree with my main focus of the point, for someone who has neither a PC (or are thinking of replacing an old peice of trash) ... or a 360? which makes more sense to get at the end of the day?

Mines packed to the brim, its not all there even:

That being said then, you also have better peripherals, better sound, 6-8 USB ports of extras that are your choice and are generally cheaper, any input devices ..

5.1 headset with a very very clear Microphone for only £10 more than the wireless 360 head set.

500 GB Hardrives for £20 less than the 360's 20GB HDDs .... and my PC tower can hold 3 of those ... 120 GB elite 360? Or 1.5 Terabyte PC?

Logically from a price angle, and for the ultimate media experiance ... PC is just the way to go... maybe 1 day if PC games do actually start to die then id say fair enough... but thats not the case.

Only reasons to buy consoles are for the exclusives, which is what drives these useless marketing wars.

[QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"][QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="SgtWhiskeyjack"]

[QUOTE="True_Gamer_"]...whats the point of "teh expensive" "argument" again?Meu2k7

I don't believe that you could build a PC for the price of a 360 on the day of it'srelease that could out do it graphically. Or are you trying to justify something? If so, then just make this thread every year until the 360 and PS3 have been superceeded. With the PS3, it may well last you until DX11 cards come out :roll:

Your right, he couldnt, but a PC does so much more, and do not give me that crap about " a cheap PC can do most of it " ... yea but if you add that cheap PC and your 360 price together you get a gaming rig price anyway :lol:.... and it still has more games, and more options.

Of course it does much more, what do you think I'm typing on now? This is my desktop.

I never said any different, but seems you didnt disagree with my main focus of the point, for someone who has neither a PC (or are thinking of replacing an old peice of trash) ... or a 360? which makes more sense to get at the end of the day?

Mines packed to the brim, its not all there even:

That being said then, you also have better peripherals, better sound, 6-8 USB ports of extras that are your choice and are generally cheaper, any input devices ..

5.1 headset with a very very clear Microphone for only £10 more than the wireless 360 head set.

500 GB Hardrives for £20 less than the 360's 20GB HDDs .... and my PC tower can hold 3 of those ... 120 GB elite 360? Or 1.5 Terabyte PC?

Logically from a price angle, and for the ultimate media experiance ... PC is just the way to go... maybe 1 day if PC games do actually start to die then id say fair enough... but thats not the case.

Only reasons to buy consoles are for the exclusives, which is what drives these useless marketing wars.

Ummm...errr....you need to empty your recycle bin :P

I know what you mean, but my PC and 360 do me just fine. I game on my 360 all the time, my laptopI game on when I'm away (which is a lot) and I use for all my multimedia needs, including its connectivity to my 360.

Console fanboys are this, Pc fanboys are that, in the end it all depends on what's inside your pocket.hagiiiiiiiiii

Exactly and its not pleasant to pay 70 euros for something that can be bought for 35...

There really is no point to that argument. If you have the money and want to buy or build a PC do so, who cares what everyone else thinks. But, this argument is most prevalent in topics like PC vs Console. If you're talking capability and power than that argument is irrelavant otherwise it's a good point.

A big selling point to a console is you know it's going to have good graphics and it's relatively inexpensive to the "foggy lands of PC gaming" if you're a console guy. It's possible to build a PC that can play Crysis on med setting for $500 but the average person wont know that and if he does he probably won't know what parts he should get.

And consoles are just more convenient. You buy it, plug it in, and play whereas PCs you run into hardware issues, non compatible drivers, ect. Some of us like me don't have a problem with that but I assume the vast majority of console gamers just want to play and don't want to screw around with all that.

Sometimes I think that maybe console guys don't know enough about computers so the idea of PC gaming is kind of scary. They hear all these rumors about how you have to be a tech guy to work your way around or you can acheive the same graphics on a $1000 PC as you can a 360 so the 360 is a better buy. But, I don't know for sure.

All I know is consoles are very popular so consoles fans must like them for a reason.

Well, a $600 computer cannot produce 360 or PS3's graphics. Far from it. Especially when looking at titles like Bioshock and Uncharted.

That being said, PC gaming is more expensive. Anyone saying otherwise is ignorant. There's perks to both ways of gaming but price is always going to be on the Consoles side.

Well, a $600 computer cannot produce 360 or PS3's graphics. Far from it. Especially when looking at titles like Bioshock and Uncharted.

That being said, PC gaming is more expensive. Anyone saying otherwise is ignorant. There's perks to both ways of gaming but price is always going to be on the Consoles side.

Puckhog04

Sooo running Bioshock at 720p/2xAA/30 fps requires a monster rig? What is this a joke?

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

Well, a $600 computer cannot produce 360 or PS3's graphics. Far from it. Especially when looking at titles like Bioshock and Uncharted.

That being said, PC gaming is more expensive. Anyone saying otherwise is ignorant. There's perks to both ways of gaming but price is always going to be on the Consoles side.

True_Gamer_

Sooo running Bioshock at 720p/2xAA/30 fps requires a monster rig? What is this a joke?

Unless you're talking about upgrading an already existing computer, a full computeron it's own will cost quite a bit more than $600 to be able to run Bioshock how the 360 runs it. And i never said monster rig, did I? Thanks.

Actually you can get a $600 PC that will have the same graphics as a 360 or PS3. Hold on, I'll pull up one.VoodooGamer

Fair enough. I'd be interested in seeing one. It's fairly tough for me to believe but if it's true then fair enough. I have yet to see one myself.

There really is no point to that argument. If you have the money and want to buy or build a PC do so, who cares what everyone else thinks. But, this argument is most prevalent in topics like PC vs Console. If you're talking capability and power than that argument is irrelavant otherwise it's a good point.

A big selling point to a console is you know it's going to have good graphics and it's relatively inexpensive to the "foggy lands of PC gaming" if you're a console guy. It's possible to build a PC that can play Crysis on med setting for $500 but the average person wont know that and if he does he probably won't know what parts he should get.

And consoles are just more convenient. You buy it, plug it in, and play whereas PCs you run into hardware issues, non compatible drivers, ect. Some of us like me don't have a problem with that but I assume the vast majority of console gamers just want to play and don't want to screw around with all that.

Sometimes I think that maybe console guys don't know enough about computers so the idea of PC gaming is kind of scary. They hear all these rumors about how you have to be a tech guy to work your way around or you can acheive the same graphics on a $1000 PC as you can a 360 so the 360 is a better buy. But, I don't know for sure.

All I know is consoles are very popular so consoles fans must like them for a reason.

VoodooGamer

[QUOTE="VoodooGamer"]

There really is no point to that argument. If you have the money and want to buy or build a PC do so, who cares what everyone else thinks. But, this argument is most prevalent in topics like PC vs Console. If you're talking capability and power than that argument is irrelavant otherwise it's a good point.

A big selling point to a console is you know it's going to have good graphics and it's relatively inexpensive to the "foggy lands of PC gaming" if you're a console guy. It's possible to build a PC that can play Crysis on med setting for $500 but the average person wont know that and if he does he probably won't know what parts he should get.

And consoles are just more convenient. You buy it, plug it in, and play whereas PCs you run into hardware issues, non compatible drivers, ect. Some of us like me don't have a problem with that but I assume the vast majority of console gamers just want to play and don't want to screw around with all that.

Sometimes I think that maybe console guys don't know enough about computers so the idea of PC gaming is kind of scary. They hear all these rumors about how you have to be a tech guy to work your way around or you can acheive the same graphics on a $1000 PC as you can a 360 so the 360 is a better buy. But, I don't know for sure.

All I know is consoles are very popular so consoles fans must like them for a reason.

hagiiiiiiiiii

Personally, to me anyway, it's that Consoles are popular with the younger crowd, the teenage crowd, and the adult crowd. Hell, there are now grandparents playing Wii's out there which is very odd in itself. It just so happens that computers are solely for the people out there that really know what they're doing to play a game on a computer and don't mind upgrading to play new games. This knowledge definitely stretches younger and younger now than it used to however. I've seen kids know more about computers than me (although i admittedly cannot put a computer together nor am i able to tell you all the new PC parts that are coming out in a year) and some are younger than 15.

[QUOTE="VoodooGamer"]Actually you can get a $600 PC that will have the same graphics as a 360 or PS3. Hold on, I'll pull up one.Puckhog04

Fair enough. I'd be interested in seeing one. It's fairly tough for me to believe but if it's true then fair enough. I have yet to see one myself.

Case: X-Tsunami Mid-Tower 420W/Gaming Case with Side Panel
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Dual Core CPU
Motherboard: Asus M2N-E
Memory- 1 gigabyte PC6400 DDR2/800 Corsair
Video Card: Nvidia GeForce 8600GTS 256 mb 16x PCI Express
Hard Drive: 250 g Western Digital Caviar
Optical Drive: 20X DVD R/RW
Sound: High Definition On-board Audio

Alright, I got all this from buyxg.com so if you still don't believe me go there, go to AMD configurator and configure it to these specifications it should come out to around $528. Go to youtube.com and type in the video card plus Oblivion or some other game and it will show the card in action.

This is without the monitor of course but you can buy a CRT nowadays cheap and they are actually just as good as most LCDs except they are a lot bulkier obviously. You can also buy a mouse and keyboard cheap as well.

That is actually stronger than a 360 or PS3 as you can see by it's processor, GPU and RAM. If you add a Monitor and the peripherals it should come up to around $650 which considering what it can do for it's price is very good. And, you might want to change out the Sound Card since integrated crap is...crap. You can easily by a Sound Blaster for $20.

[QUOTE="Puckhog04"]

[QUOTE="VoodooGamer"]Actually you can get a $600 PC that will have the same graphics as a 360 or PS3. Hold on, I'll pull up one.VoodooGamer

Fair enough. I'd be interested in seeing one. It's fairly tough for me to believe but if it's true then fair enough. I have yet to see one myself.

Case: X-Tsunami Mid-Tower 420W/Gaming Case with Side Panel
CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Dual Core CPU
Motherboard: Asus M2N-E
Memory- 1 gigabyte PC6400 DDR2/800 Corsair
Video Card: Nvidia GeForce 8600GTS 256 mb 16x PCI Express
Hard Drive: 250 g Western Digital Caviar
Optical Drive: 20X DVD R/RW
Sound: High Definition On-board Audio

Alright, I got all this from buyxg.com so if you still don't believe me go there, go to AMD configurator and configure it to these specifications it should come out to around $528. Go to youtube.com and type in the video card plus Oblivion or some other game and it will show the card in action.

This is without the monitor of course but you can buy a CRT nowadays cheap and they are actually just as good as most LCDs except they are a lot bulkier obviously. You can also buy a mouse and keyboard cheap as well.

That is actually stronger than a 360 or PS3 as you can see by it's processor, GPU and RAM. If you add a Monitor and the peripherals it should come up to around $650 which considering what it can do for it's price is very good. And, you might want to change out the Sound Card since integrated crap is...crap. You can easily by a Sound Blaster for $20.

I'll take your word for it lol. Don't feel like looking at all those pieces atm. I'll look at them later and bookmark the site. I can't personally put a computer together but i do know how to optimize PC's to play games so i would have to have someone put it together. But, yea, that looks like it would run Crysis at medium to high settings fairly easily.

I'll take your word for it lol. Don't feel like looking at all those pieces atm. I'll look at them later and bookmark the site. I can't personally put a computer together but i do know how to optimize PC's to play games so i would have to have someone put it together. But, yea, that looks like i would run Crysis at medium to high settings fairly easily. Puckhog04

Well here is Crysis in action with that card. I'm actually surprised, the bare minimum is High Settings. www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3jKTgNol6c

A rig currently that can run all X360/PS3 ports at better quality for less then $900.

8800GT - $199

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125085

Mushkin DDR2 800 Ram - $49.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146118

Gigabyte P35 Mobo - $99.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128059

Intel Core2Duo E4600 -$144.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115032

Antec 900 Case - 79.99 after MIR

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129021

SG 500GB HDD - 119.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148288

Corsair 550W PSU - 74.99 after MIR

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139004

DVD player - 24.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106228

Vista Home Premium- 109

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116202

A rig currently that can run all X360/PS3 ports at better quality for less then $900.

Vista Home Premium- 100

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116202

Dynafrom

Cut out the Vista portion and replace it with XP and it looks like you will have yourself a nice rig on your hands. :)