If all the shooters in the world disappered forever and ever

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

I'm saying that Mass Effect is a RPG TPS, I'm not saying it isn't a RPG.

Yandere

So pretty much every RPG is a hybrid because you do two things, develop character and story(RPG) and attack things(action, turn base strategy, shooter)?

What type of RPG mostly always depends upon the combat, so I don't know what your trying to point out.

Um, try every JRPG, all Bioware games are advanced by fighting, Fallout, Diablo, Fable, Divine Divinity... almost every RPG relies on combat to advance the story in some way.

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"]

Mass Effect is primarily an RPG, as is Fallout 3, even though both have shooter elements.

rolo107

And Call of Duty is also a platformer because you can jump, right?

No, I dislike WRPGs like Mass Effect, Oblivion, Diablo, etc, some of the best RPGs are made in the west.

Anyways, sure I wrote the sentence incorrectly, nothing to complain about though.

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

I'm saying that Mass Effect is a RPG TPS, I'm not saying it isn't a RPG.

Yandere

So pretty much every RPG is a hybrid because you do two things, develop character and story(RPG) and attack things(action, turn base strategy, shooter)?

What type of RPG mostly always depends upon the combat, so I don't know what your trying to point out.

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

So pretty much every RPG is a hybrid because you do two things, develop character and story(RPG) and attack things(action, turn base strategy, shooter)?

spinecaton

What type of RPG mostly always depends upon the combat, so I don't know what your trying to point out.

Um, try every JRPG, all Bioware games are advanced by fighting, Fallout, Diablo, Fable, Divine Divinity... almost every RPG relies on combat to advance the story in some way.

Again, I have no clue what your trying to point out, I have been saying combat is very important in RPGs.

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

What type of RPG mostly always depends upon the combat, so I don't know what your trying to point out.

Yandere

Um, try every JRPG, all Bioware games are advanced by fighting, Fallout, Diablo, Fable, Divine Divinity... almost every RPG relies on combat to advance the story in some way.

Again, I have no clue what your trying to point out, I have been saying combat is very important in RPGs.

I am pointing out that you are pretty much saying RPGs cannot have a stand alone genre because they have some fighting mechanics in them. You are pretty much saying that every RPG is a hybrid and should be called:

RPG/FPS

RPG/TPS

RPG/Action

RPG/TBS

Because you are not doing RPG elements all the time.

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

What type of RPG mostly always depends upon the combat, so I don't know what your trying to point out.

Yandere

Um, try every JRPG, all Bioware games are advanced by fighting, Fallout, Diablo, Fable, Divine Divinity... almost every RPG relies on combat to advance the story in some way.

Again, I have no clue what your trying to point out, I have been saying combat is very important in RPGs.

No, what you've been saying is that Mass Effect is a shooter because you shoot things, and that RPGs are focused on combat...

You shoot star bits in SMG, does that make it a shooter?

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

[QUOTE="spinecaton"]

Um, try every JRPG, all Bioware games are advanced by fighting, Fallout, Diablo, Fable, Divine Divinity... almost every RPG relies on combat to advance the story in some way.

spinecaton

Again, I have no clue what your trying to point out, I have been saying combat is very important in RPGs.

I am pointing out that you are pretty much saying RPGs cannot have a stand alone genre because they have some fighting mechanics in them. You are pretty much saying that every RPG is a hybrid and should be called:

RPG/FPS

RPG/TPS

RPG/Action

RPG/TBS

Because you are not doing RPG elements all the time.

RPG is a broad term, it is only the genre, the sub genre defines things such as combat.

Action RPGs are (to me) all games that are RPGs but have gameplay from an action sub-genre.

You shoot star bits in SMG, does that make it a shooter?

kenakuma

Same with Zelda TLP.

You shoot stuff with the bow and arrows, does that make that game a shooter as well?

as far as i'm concerned even its a hybrid rpg shooter like dues ex,stalker,mass effect, and fallout 3 its still a shooter. As true rpg is something like fallout 1 & 2,The witcher, and dragon age origins.

as far as i'm concerned even its a hybrid rpg shooter like dues ex,stalker,mass effect, and fallout 3 its still a shooter. As true rpg is something like fallout 1 & 2,The witcher, and dragon age origins.

DJ_Headshot

So once again, completely disregarding the actual role play found ME and Fallout 3, the key components of which make a role playing game?

Geez, what is wrong? :?

on the 360: No PDZ, No Gears 1 or 2, No Halo 3 or ODST, Left 4 dead 1 and 2, no mass effect 1 or 2

on the PS3: No Resistance 1 and 2, no Killzone 2, no M.A.G., no HAZE, no Uncharted 1 or 2, no MGS 4

seems like the 360 would still win in AAAE games when compared to the PS3 (honestly, i'm surprised)

kolkov01

[QUOTE="DJ_Headshot"]

as far as i'm concerned even its a hybrid rpg shooter like dues ex,stalker,mass effect, and fallout 3 its still a shooter. As true rpg is something like fallout 1 & 2,The witcher, and dragon age origins.

MadVybz

So once again, completely disregarding the actual role play found ME and Fallout 3, the key components of which make a role playing game?

Geez, what is wrong? :?

[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

[QUOTE="DJ_Headshot"]

as far as i'm concerned even its a hybrid rpg shooter like dues ex,stalker,mass effect, and fallout 3 its still a shooter. As true rpg is something like fallout 1 & 2,The witcher, and dragon age origins.

SparkyProtocol

So once again, completely disregarding the actual role play found ME and Fallout 3, the key components of which make a role playing game?

Geez, what is wrong? :?

It depends on what you mean by all shooters disappearing. If you mean they just quit making them, then I wouldn't be buying any more games, ever. The only games I would play are all of the shooters that had already been released. If all shooters disappeared completely, as in previously released copies just vanished from existince, then I would most likely quit gaming. No shooters, no interest.

no shooters would pretty much leave racers and sport games, so x360 would be better. since ps3 doesn't have much in the way of exclusive racers, well motorstorm is great but forza is better. imprezawrx500

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"][QUOTE="MadVybz"]

So once again, completely disregarding the actual role play found ME and Fallout 3, the key components of which make a role playing game?

Geez, what is wrong? :?

DJ_Headshot

No, just because YOU think that it can be classified as a shooter doesn't change the fact that doing so will only make you look like an idiot. Which is why any gaming site you go on to will have ME, Fallout 3, Fable 2 etc. in the RPG genre. Except for Deus Ex. Here on GS it's classified as an action/adventure.

[QUOTE="DJ_Headshot"][QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"] I'm right here with ya.MadVybz

No, just because YOU think that it can be classified as a shooter doesn't change the fact that doing so will only make you look like an idiot. Which is why any gaming site you go on to will have ME, Fallout 3, Fable 2 etc. in the RPG genre. Except for Deus Ex. Here on GS it's classified as an action/adventure.

The PC would win, and not just win, DOMINATE!

[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

[QUOTE="DJ_Headshot"] i was gonna edit the post i said it the wrong way what i meant was regardless of how much rpg elements it still can be classified as a shooter, and so for the purpose of this thread would have to disappear as awesome as dues ex and stalker are :(toast_burner

No, just because YOU think that it can be classified as a shooter doesn't change the fact that doing so will only make you look like an idiot. Which is why any gaming site you go on to will have ME, Fallout 3, Fable 2 etc. in the RPG genre. Except for Deus Ex. Here on GS it's classified as an action/adventure.

The fact that people are calling it a shooter and completely disregarding the RPG elements kinda kills your argument for both sides. I'm not ignoring the shooting elements, but people insist on calling ME a shooter, when it simply isn't.

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="MadVybz"]

No, just because YOU think that it can be classified as a shooter doesn't change the fact that doing so will only make you look like an idiot. Which is why any gaming site you go on to will have ME, Fallout 3, Fable 2 etc. in the RPG genre. Except for Deus Ex. Here on GS it's classified as an action/adventure.

MadVybz

The fact that people are calling it a shooter and completely disregarding the RPG elements kinda kills your argument for both sides. I'm not ignoring the shooting elements, but people insist on calling ME a shooter, when it simply isn't.

pssh, i'd just start shooting real people. J/K or am I...:twisted:

[QUOTE="kolkov01"]

on the 360: No PDZ, No Gears 1 or 2, No Halo 3 or ODST, Left 4 dead 1 and 2, no mass effect 1 or 2

on the PS3: No Resistance 1 and 2, no Killzone 2, no M.A.G., no HAZE, no Uncharted 1 or 2, no MGS 4

seems like the 360 would still win in AAAE games when compared to the PS3 (honestly, i'm surprised)

ElTriforceo

If mass effect counts as a shooter (those were the TC rules) then so does uncharted

As for the AAAE count, if we exclude the shooters the 360 has: Forza 2, Forza 3, GTA: Liberty city (not sure if that game counts as a shooter)

the PS3 has: Demon's Souls, InFamous (not sure if it counts as a shooter either) and LittleBigPlanet

so they would be tied actually

[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

[QUOTE="toast_burner"] Its a Shooter/RPG. Where does it say that every thing must be only one genre? Nerkcon

The fact that people are calling it a shooter and completely disregarding the RPG elements kinda kills your argument for both sides. I'm not ignoring the shooting elements, but people insist on calling ME a shooter, when it simply isn't.

Like I said; How can something be a shooter first if it's combat is so damn ****ty? The combat in ME 1's gameplay videos looked fine to me, but actually playing it was horrible. ME2 looks like an improvement, but we can't be sure until we actually play the game.

And has the whole concept of the combat being only a small part contributing to a much larger picture gone over your head? I'm sorry, but the whole 'action' part of ME is rather bland, and the effort put into the other features of the game show that the combat isn't the main focus. As mentioned before, Fable 2 would be a better candidate for this kind of argument. Almost all of the enjoyment comes out of the combat and making money. The actual role playing is lack luster and doesn't even serve much purpose. Role playing in a game with an engaging story and interesting characters (Mass Effect) beats a good/evil moral choice system with NPCs that you can hardly give to ****s about (Fable 2).

[QUOTE="Nerkcon"]But ME plays just like one though and was criticized for being dumbed down to simply lack luster RPG wise. And Bioware has confirmed that ME2 will have even less RPG in it due to the fact they heard the opposite complaints. ME plays like a shooter first and starting with ME2 if will even be intended to be a shooter first.MadVybz

Like I said; How can something be a shooter first if it's combat is so damn ****ty? The combat in ME 1's gameplay videos looked fine to me, but actually playing it was horrible. ME2 looks like an improvement, but we can't be sure until we actually play the game.

And has the whole concept of the combat being only a small part contributing to a much larger picture? I'm sorry, but the whole 'action' part of ME is rather bland, and the effort put into the other features of the game show that the combat isn't the main focus. As mentioned before, Fable 2 would be a better candidate for this kind of argument. Almost all of the enjoyment comes out of the combat and making money. The actual role playing is lack luster and doesn't even serve much purpose. Role playing in a game with an engaging story and interesting characters (Mass Effect) beats a good/evil moral choice system with NPCs that you can hardly give to ****s about (Fable 2).

Ah, I see your point now. I'm just like to say what other people used to say a lot. :P I've yet to play ME because my brother hogs the 360 but you make it sound so good...

if all shooters were to dissapear id be celebratingreaver-x

i feel the same way about fps not all shooters in general and i also think mass effect while it will be a good game plays more like a shooter then a rpg thats just my opinion same for fallout3. For Dragon Age Origins and Oblivion Demons Souls those to me are real rpgs

I would love to see more jrpgs that would be so awesome

The game isn't MGS4, do you think the majority of your time is spent fighting and walking around or speaking to others? Yandere

if all shooters were to dissapear id be celebratingreaver-x

You'd be running till your muscles pump battery acid(FC), from the lynching mob around the corner.