If Apple bought SONY's Playstation Division

apple would go broke hiring carpet cleaners to get all the blood out of the carpets at sony hq.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

There products are overpriced and full blown proof that products that sell the most are not always the best.

Mystery_Writer

"It seems to me that there is a group of people who believe that all markets eventually commoditize and everyone will be satisfied with sub-standard products as long as the prices are lower. Not coincidentally, these people also tend to write sub-standard analysis of Apple." - src

come again? in english this time

[QUOTE="DarkOfKnight"][QUOTE="charizard1605"]No, I prefer handheld games when they're $30. At most $40. $50 games I will not tolerate. And why are you comparing the Vita with Apple products? What are you trying to prove? That an iPad isn't as good as a Vita for gaming? I agree. It's not. But a product 2/3rds the price of a Vita is infinitely better for gaming right now. That's my point of comparison. Oh, and as for Sony selling it at a loss: tough beans. Maybe they shouldn't stuff their products with cutting edge technology. It's clear the market doesn't want bleeding edge products. The initial low sales of the PS3 and then the Vita all prove this.charizard1605

And started charging for online and turned it profitable, do you think it would be a smart move by Apple?

And would you personally object to that? or it doesn't matter who owns the Playstation brand as long as you still get to play its exclusives IPs?

Mystery_Writer

We would be stuck with gimmicky "games" and in-app purchases then.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]So just like Sony is right now?charizard1605

Sony usually sells there products for a loss while apple usually sells them for a massive profit. You have no clue what you are talking about. If the PS3 was an apple product it would cost $400 dollars for the base model .

As a customer, it matters two hoots to me whether the company itself sells its products at profit or loss. It matters how much I'm being asked to pay. They ask me to pay $599 for a console. They ask me to pay $249 for a handheld, plus at least $30 more for the Memory Cards (which are proprietary). They charge $50 for handheld games. They, as far as I am concerned, overprice their products. End of discussion.

Not gonna happen.

[QUOTE="Syn_Valence"]

If there was such a thing as a playstation division

AM-Gamer

Yea people seem to be confused that there is no such thing as the Playstation division its the Consumer Electronic divsion which houses Playstaiton, TV's , camcorders , laptops and smartphones. The 2.8 billion is not from the actualy playstaiton.

Well they're are at least two people who arean't completely ignorant and know a little of what they are talking about.

All this talk of a "Playstation Division" is getting pretty annoying.

that would suck for gaming as a whole, because we all know Apple

I think Apple should buy EA or Activision for the lulz.Heil68

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]So just like Sony is right now?charizard1605

Sony usually sells there products for a loss while apple usually sells them for a massive profit. You have no clue what you are talking about. If the PS3 was an apple product it would cost $400 dollars for the base model .

As a customer, it matters two hoots to me whether the company itself sells its products at profit or loss. It matters how much I'm being asked to pay. They ask me to pay $599 for a console. They ask me to pay $249 for a handheld, plus at least $30 more for the Memory Cards (which are proprietary). They charge $50 for handheld games. They, as far as I am concerned, overprice their products. End of discussion.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] They ask me to pay $599 for a console. They ask me to pay $249 for a handheld.charizard1605

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

There products are overpriced and full blown proof that products that sell the most are not always the best.

Mystery_Writer

"It seems to me that there is a group of people who believe that all markets eventually commoditize and everyone will be satisfied with sub-standard products as long as the prices are lower. Not coincidentally, these people also tend to write sub-standard analysis of Apple." - src

The problem is apple releases sub-standard products every year and keeps the premium price.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] They ask me to pay $599 for a console. They ask me to pay $249 for a handheld.santoron

It was acceptable when Nintendo's 3DS was $250, considering he paid it. He then bought a second 3Ds when it had a price drop. But the $250 newly released VITA? That's just awful. It's a bullet point for him to point out on SW. Don't get me started on the launch price of the $250 Wii! :shock:

[QUOTE="santoron"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] They ask me to pay $599 for a console. They ask me to pay $249 for a handheld.SolidTy

It was acceptable when Nintendo's 3DS was $250, considering he paid it. But the VITA? That's just awful. Don't get me started on the launch price of the Wii! :shock:

$250 dollars for the tech in the Vita is amazing. They are basically selling you the device for the same price as a smartphone without you haveing to sign a contract for 2 years.

[QUOTE="AdmiralBison"]

[QUOTE="FashionFreak"]

Apple console would cost $900 at launch

Desmonic

and still sell in the millions. Better Hardware, slicker design, better content delivery, aesthetics, ease of use..

Sony can't do this, doesn't matter how many Giant crabs they show.

Next generation will start with out them.

Red-

No... just.. no.

Blue-

Opinion. Some may find it so, some may find it not so.

And lol at the end of your post. Only blind fanboys believe Sony already hasn't it's PS4/Next in production....

[QUOTE="Desmonic"]

[QUOTE="AdmiralBison"]

and still sell in the millions. Better Hardware, slicker design, better content delivery, aesthetics, ease of use..

Sony can't do this, doesn't matter how many Giant crabs they show.

Next generation will start with out them.

AdmiralBison

Red-

No... just.. no.

Blue-

Opinion. Some may find it so, some may find it not so.

And lol at the end of your post. Only blind fanboys believe Sony already hasn't it's PS4/Next in production....

LMAO you would actually sit here and tell us any game on IOS holds a candle to what vita offers? Seriously dude get a new hobby .

Apples hardware is overpriced,underpowered and simple to use. If they ever released a console with current tech they would take the amount it cost to produce and then add at least $300 on it like they do everything else.

It would be awesome if Apple bought Sony. There is only one company I dislike more than Sony and that is Apple. Then system wars can truly shine. Oh what a day that'll be if that should occur. *drools*

[QUOTE="eboyishere"]StrongDead already said it, west can't own more then 50 and even if that was possible im pretty sure they would rather let the company go straight under then to have someone from the west own itAdmiralBison

It still wouldn't flow with them. It's more about the pride of the company then anything.

Huge difference between overpriced and expensive.senses_fail_06

Games are easy and plentiful to get on iOS, compared to PSP and Vita.
As well as music and movies via iTunes.

Apples hardware with MacBooks, iMacs, iPods, iPhones,iPads and Mac Pros have been sturdy, smooth and with a professional clean finish, even the back and insides are done in the same manner. AdmiralBison

I agree with both your observations. The problem is most SONY fans are unable to understand that it's expensive but not overpriced products.

Also, SONY fans (and to be fair so is a lot of analysts) still don't understand that Apple is an extremely smart company (kudos to the culture Steve Jobs established). A company that knows how to problem solve selling expensive products to a price senstitive market and still outsell the competition.

You can't possibly have a future proof powerful & quality product for under $400 and still make profit. You have to subsidize, but what could you do if you can't take a loss on subsidizing?

Microsoft currently is copying the answer to this problem from Apple's rulebook and started to test out the concept of subsidizing a gaming console via 2 year contracts with X360.

[QUOTE="AdmiralBison"][QUOTE="Desmonic"]

Red-

No... just.. no.

Blue-

Opinion. Some may find it so, some may find it not so.

And lol at the end of your post. Only blind fanboys believe Sony already hasn't it's PS4/Next in production....

AM-Gamer

LMAO you would actually sit here and tell us any game on IOS holds a candle to what vita offers? Seriously dude get a new hobby .

Apples hardware is overpriced,underpowered and simple to use. If they ever released a console with current tech they would take the amount it cost to produce and then add at least $300 on it like they do everything else.

There are laws in place that prevent a western company from owning more than 50% of a japaneese entity.

StrongDeadlift

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

There are laws in place that prevent a western company from owning more than 50% of a japaneese entity.

jsmoke03

yeah. Even if apple owned only 49% of sony, apple could still be in control because the other 51% would be divided among many people. Apple introduces an idea that goes to voting with an automatic 49% favorable. Just need 2% more until it passes.

Obviously it would sell well, but it would be casualized garbage compared to PS3

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="AdmiralBison"] What do you mean just no.? Games are easy and plentiful to get on iOS, compared to PSP and Vita. As well as music and movies via iTunes. Apples hardware with MacBooks, iMacs, iPods, iPhones,iPads and Mac Pros have been sturdy, smooth and with a professional clean finish, even the back and insides are done in the same manner. So much so a few companiesis have adopted some of Apples design philosophy. Lenovo and HP have been making laptops now with more wrist space and key layout similar to MacBooks. " and lol at the end of your post. Only blind fanboys believe Sony already hasn't it's PS4/next in production..." Heh, what? You do know that my "next generation will start without them" is a take on, I think it was Ken Kutaragi saying "that next generation starts only when we say so.." ?!? To show that the gaming world does not revolve around Sony and the Playstation 3 as they and it's fanboys dream do, especially when it's obvious with the Playstation 3 in last place and its competitors have taken the lions share of the market from them and next generation looking to start already with the advent of Wii U.AdmiralBison

LMAO you would actually sit here and tell us any game on IOS holds a candle to what vita offers? Seriously dude get a new hobby .

Apples hardware is overpriced,underpowered and simple to use. If they ever released a console with current tech they would take the amount it cost to produce and then add at least $300 on it like they do everything else.

I own a vita and have played more of the I pad then I want to since I work at AT@T and there on dispaly all day.

Lets compare them.

1. Screen size is bigger on the new Ipad yet the graphics on the vita are still far superior. Its about like comparing PS3 games to PS2 games in Higher resolutions.

2. If you honestly want to tell me the large virtual buttons are anywhere in the same league as the Vita then you are almost not worth arguing against. I would go as far as to say that vita games and console games in general are probaly to complexed for you.

3. The IOS puts vita to shame? I think the old sane you get what you pay for suites video games very well. There is a vast diffrence between a $5.00 game and a $50.00 game. UC:GA is so far ahead of anything on the I pad its emberassing that you would even go so far to compare them. Are there more games on the IP? Of course there is its a platform thats been out for nearly 4 years but the quality of titles is abysmal . Yet this goes back to the fact that you are one who likes very simple low end games.

4. The Vita does everything I want a portable entertanment system could do. Its compatable with just about every music file, it streams netflix , it has remote play for my Ps3 and it plays games on a level the IP cant even dream of. Oh and it browses the web pretty decently as well.

5. And yes lets talk about sales. Are you implying sales dicate the quality of a product? So by that same standard COD: BO is the best FPS of all time and the Wii is better thent he PS3 and 360( it actually wouldnt surprise me if you beleive that. The majority of the people that buy I-pads dont buy them for gaming , I know I sell them . In most cases its something parents buy to use as a simple laptop and the games are simply a distraction for there kids . The vita will sell as soon as games are annouced and the price drops. The IP on the other hand will be obsolete and there have a new model next year and the cycle will repeat itself untill people finally get sick of apples overpriced devices which seems like it may be starting right about now.

[QUOTE="AdmiralBison"][QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

LMAO you would actually sit here and tell us any game on IOS holds a candle to what vita offers? Seriously dude get a new hobby .

Apples hardware is overpriced,underpowered and simple to use. If they ever released a console with current tech they would take the amount it cost to produce and then add at least $300 on it like they do everything else.

AM-Gamer

I own a vita and have played more of the I pad then I want to since I work at AT@T and there on dispaly all day.

Lets compare them.

1. Screen size is bigger on the new Ipad yet the graphics on the vita are still far superior. Its about like comparing PS3 games to PS2 games in Higher resolutions.

2. If you honestly want to tell me the large virtual buttons are anywhere in the same league as the Vita then you are almost not worth arguing against. I would go as far as to say that vita games and console games in general are probaly to complexed for you.

3. The IOS puts vita to shame? I think the old sane you get what you pay for suites video games very well. There is a vast diffrence between a $5.00 game and a $50.00 game. UC:GA is so far ahead of anything on the I pad its emberassing that you would even go so far to compare them. Are there more games on the IP? Of course there is its a platform thats been out for nearly 4 years but the quality of titles is abysmal . Yet this goes back to the fact that you are one who likes very simple low end games.

4. The Vita does everything I want a portable entertanment system could do. Its compatable with just about every music file, it streams netflix , it has remote play for my Ps3 and it plays games on a level the IP cant even dream of. Oh and it browses the web pretty decently as well.

5. And yes lets talk about sales. Are you implying sales dicate the quality of a product? So by that same standard COD: BO is the best FPS of all time and the Wii is better thent he PS3 and 360( it actually wouldnt surprise me if you beleive that. The majority of the people that buy I-pads dont buy them for gaming , I know I sell them . In most cases its something parents buy to use as a simple laptop and the games are simply a distraction for there kids . The vita will sell as soon as games are annouced and the price drops. The IP on the other hand will be obsolete and there have a new model next year and the cycle will repeat itself untill people finally get sick of apples overpriced devices which seems like it may be starting right about now.

Yes. good you own a Vita and you have played a bit on the iPad. Then we are able to do some demonstrations and testing real time. Since I have both.

1. Graphics on the Vita a superior and you akin this comparison to the difference between the PS3 and PS2?

several problems with this.

a) The Vita has not demonstrated a game with graphics that far exceed what has been shown on the iPad, not yet anyway to the degree they you have implied.

If you actually had a look at some of the games that have come out for the iPad (take note these games even look more radiant on the higher res 'New' iPad) and the fact that it is on a larger screen, such a PS2 to PS3 graphics comparison is completely misrepresents the difference.

You have access to an iPad - have a look at N.O.V.A 3, Mass Effect Infiltrator,Deadspace, Galaxy on Fire 2 HD and then come back and tell me the diffence is like the difference between the PS3 and PS2.

Actually we can all do this by scouring Youtube for proper showcases of Vita games and those aforementioned iPad games

b) You have not nominated a game on the Vita to make that sort of analogy.

2. Yes. I stand by my opinion that the virtuals buttons can be easier for certain games especially when given a certain level of customisation for users. I stand by the fact that PS Vita buttons are notably smaller then the PSP and one is able to notice this when playing button intesive games like Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 on the Vita.

a) insulting my skills by saying console and handheld gaming is too complex for me is a poor arguement and has no merit

b)why use consoles as leverage when this is clearly between the Vita and the iPad?

c) it just show exactly how prominant iOS and by extension the iPad has become in the gaming space when people have to resort to combining several devices just to make points against the iPad as if the Vita can't stand on its own.

3. On what criteria are you measuring Uncharted to be vastly superior then on high profile "core" games on the iPad? ( I will not bother putting sales as a winning point as it is difficult to find out how much certain titles have sold for the iPad)

Titles you consider abysmal does not show they ALL are abysmal and even for any one who is not biased against iOS games can see there are a lot of games that have depth, great graphics, sound and high production values and gameplay. some cases certain games are just gar better suited for the iPad then the Vita- case in point Dungeon Hunter. (both for the iPad and Vita)

A Diablo clone that got pretty good ratings on Toucharchade.com

good amount of Inventory, many stages, and fair amount of combat.

on the Vita- it's roughly $47

on iOS iPad - a lot less ( I can't see the price because I have purchases it already), but I know that at such a price it is a far better deal with more bang for your buck.

Also how do you know I just like "low end" games as you like to put it?

would PSP minis on the Vita be considered low end?

Yes sure the iPad has been out longer, so I 'll give you that. It will remain to be seen if the Vita will be a powerhouse of a handheld gaming device justified by the games....if it is around for that long.

4. It browses the web decently? iPad has that beat

"it plays games on a level the IP cant even dream of" - what does this mean? this is a fanciful exageration that goes nowwhere.

my point still stand and it is very reasonable that iOS does put Vita to shame.

have you ever noticed sometimes takes ages for an application to fire up, or connecting to the PS Store or going to the setttings menu?

everyone here try it and see if they notice this and do the same for iOS on the iPad.

Hpw about transfering content from the PS3, PC or Mac to Vita? Really?

You have to do the controls via the Vita and it is far from elegant and organised compared to iTunes, and does not have Wi-Fi support for syncing.

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5. Sales are a driving force for devs/publishers to make games and with enough sales and interest can warrant sequals. Sales are a fact that we can use to measure the popularity or interest by the general populace has for certain things, such as games. Now I don't discount professional game reviews as they can be of big influence but they can vary from site to site and ultimately is someones opinion. There are aggregate sites, but in the end the deciding factor is ones own decision and this is reflected by sales. However since we can argue the night away on how much sales and quality are related this has often indicated to be the best measure stick we have, even when SW ( and let's be honest here, a lot of people on SW have their own idea on what is quality, but is not reflected by the sales of their favourite or hated games)

Parent are willing to purchase a $1000 iPad as a distraction then say cheaper gaming systems like a Vita? This is not a win for the Vita in any measure of the sense.

"In most cases its something parents buy to use as a simple laptop and the games are simply a distraction for there kids"

"The IP on the other hand will be obsolete and there have a new model next year and the cycle will repeat itself untill people finally get sick of apples overpriced devices which seems like it may be starting right about now."

Oh really? How do you know all this? Do you have any surveys, stats, trends. I didn't know that iOS and by extension the iPad are going to be phased because people will get sick of it.

Admerial Bison

1. Yes I do stand by the fact the Vitas graphics are far superior to the I pad. UC:GA as a prime example. It may not be from PS3 to PS2 but In all fairness most higher end Ipad games look closer to Xbox one graphics in higher res but they still lack the assets that you see in Vita games. They dont have the same texture quality, lighting or animations that you are seeing in higher end vita titles. You can debate how much better the vita games look but you can't debate the fact that they indeed do look better and they do so on hardware that cost about half the price. Infinity edge 2 is probably the best looking game ive seen in the IP2 yet it still doesnt look as good as UC:GA and that doesnt even account for the fact that the is nowhere near as interactive. Dead Space was another game I played on the new IP and yes it looks very simliar to a Xbox 1 game with very primative textures and lighting and lower levles of geometry then what you are seeing on most higher end vita titles.

2. You can stand by the fact that the butoons are easier to use all you want but for any tradional game there not . Anything resembeling a controller on the IP pales in comparison to real buttons. SF4 to me was nearly unplayable and if you like touch screen controls the Vita has you covered there. The reason why I bring up consoles in this argument is in all fairness the Vita is the only portable device that should be mentioned in the same breath as it can actually provide a very simliar expereince. The IP simply doesnt have it.

3. The Criteria that I measaure UC to be a better game is its simply a superior prodcut , from prodcution values to graphics there is nothing on the Ip currently in the same league. If you dont believe me lets use common sense. Do you honestly think any gaming sight holds I pad games to the same standard as a console? Of course they dont the games cost $9.99 at the most with a large portion of them being free. Vita titles on the other hand are held to the same standard that a PS3 and 360 title is held to. No other portable device can claim that. its providing gaming of a higher standard. I did not play dungeon hunter on the Vita ( i got it on the Ps3 for 9.99) but I can tell two genres that i played in particular that were far superior on the vita are fighting games and TPS. The virtual controls simply bog you down not to mention the best games on the IP in these generes still look like Xbox 1 titles. I can also tell you there has yet to be a game on the IP or any smartphone that can hold my attention for more then 30 minutes. While i can easily hit a 3 hour gaming session on the Vita which I have never been able to stand on a portable devcie.

4. Does the I pad beat the Vita in web browsing? Sure it does its one of the IP's premeire functions as the Vitas main function is a gaming console. And yes it plays games the IP couldnt even dream of. What that means is simple. Untill the IP has a controller and devs that actually put the same time and production values as stuff you see on the Vita the IP will be nothing more then one small step above a smartphone . It will never be held to the higher standard that a Vita is in terms of actual gaming quality. Also im starting to question if you have a Vita. It takes ages for apps to fire up? Granted I dont have loads of apps on my Vita but Netflix is accessed and working in seconds. I can get to the settings menue nearly as quick as i hit the screen. Games load instantly and the boot up time seems to be better then the new IP. Did I mention it doesnt run at 120 degrees either? Is the Vita as user friendly to share across other devices? No its not but whos to say it wont be. Its pretty simple to do with the PS3 and as time goes on it will only get better. Apple has had over 4 years to get it right so its only fair to give Sony some time.

5. Yes sales do matter but as I said before they have very little to do with the quality of the product. Refer to these examples

A. Do you feel Black ops is the best FPS of this gen? Becaue its sold more then any other

B. Do you feel the Wii was a superior console to the Xbox360 or PS3? Becaue it sold more then both of them. Despite having 5 year old hardware at launch and running on a gimmick

C. Do you think Vizio makes the second best TV? Because in NA its the second best selling TV( Come on now we all now Vizios are crap)

So although sales are important i would hardly use it as a argument to claim whats better. Apple sales for two reasons. Its very simple to use and its marketed extremly well.

I base my knowledge of people starting to get stick of it by the fact ive been selling there procuts for nearly 2 years. This is the first year when Android devices actually sell more. This is also the first year when Samsung overtook them in the smartphone business. You are starting to hear customers role there eyes when they see the diffrences between the IP2 and the New-IP. You are seeing anaylist finally start to jump off there bandwagon as they see there could be some problems int he future. Are they a popular and widely succesful company? Absolutely but for the most part you sound like a mindless Apple Zombie supporting something just because it has there name on it. People are starting to finally see that paying a premium price every year for a incramental upgrade is getting a bit old and although i see apple being around a very long time they will not hold there dominance forever as you think they will.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="gamertylers"]I would object to that. I have a feeling they would start making you buy proprietary parts, while overcharging just like they do with everything they make.AM-Gamer

Sony usually sells there products for a loss while apple usually sells them for a massive profit. You have no clue what you are talking about. If the PS3 was an apple product it would cost $400 dollars for the base model .

Make all models ebony white, call it iCenter and watch that Apple logo make sales soar :P

Bring on the iC! America is ready to play more Facebook, twitter and movie streams on it's gaming consoles.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="DarkOfKnight"] The low sales of the PS3 and Vita prove the market doesn't want to pay out the butt for something. It was price, not the tech.g0ddyX

Admerial Bison

1. Yes I do stand by the fact the Vitas graphics are far superior to the I pad. UC:GA as a prime example. It may not be from PS3 to PS2 but In all fairness most higher end Ipad games look closer to Xbox one graphics in higher res but they still lack the assets that you see in Vita games. They dont have the same texture quality, lighting or animations that you are seeing in higher end vita titles. You can debate how much better the vita games look but you can't debate the fact that they indeed do look better and they do so on hardware that cost about half the price. Infinity edge 2 is probably the best looking game ive seen in the IP2 yet it still doesnt look as good as UC:GA and that doesnt even account for the fact that the is nowhere near as interactive. Dead Space was another game I played on the new IP and yes it looks very simliar to a Xbox 1 game with very primative textures and lighting and lower levles of geometry then what you are seeing on most higher end vita titles.

2. You can stand by the fact that the butoons are easier to use all you want but for any tradional game there not . Anything resembeling a controller on the IP pales in comparison to real buttons. SF4 to me was nearly unplayable and if you like touch screen controls the Vita has you covered there. The reason why I bring up consoles in this argument is in all fairness the Vita is the only portable device that should be mentioned in the same breath as it can actually provide a very simliar expereince. The IP simply doesnt have it.

3. The Criteria that I measaure UC to be a better game is its simply a superior prodcut , from prodcution values to graphics there is nothing on the Ip currently in the same league. If you dont believe me lets use common sense. Do you honestly think any gaming sight holds I pad games to the same standard as a console? Of course they dont the games cost $9.99 at the most with a large portion of them being free. Vita titles on the other hand are held to the same standard that a PS3 and 360 title is held to. No other portable device can claim that. its providing gaming of a higher standard. I did not play dungeon hunter on the Vita ( i got it on the Ps3 for 9.99) but I can tell two genres that i played in particular that were far superior on the vita are fighting games and TPS. The virtual controls simply bog you down not to mention the best games on the IP in these generes still look like Xbox 1 titles. I can also tell you there has yet to be a game on the IP or any smartphone that can hold my attention for more then 30 minutes. While i can easily hit a 3 hour gaming session on the Vita which I have never been able to stand on a portable devcie.

4. Does the I pad beat the Vita in web browsing? Sure it does its one of the IP's premeire functions as the Vitas main function is a gaming console. And yes it plays games the IP couldnt even dream of. What that means is simple. Untill the IP has a controller and devs that actually put the same time and production values as stuff you see on the Vita the IP will be nothing more then one small step above a smartphone . It will never be held to the higher standard that a Vita is in terms of actual gaming quality. Also im starting to question if you have a Vita. It takes ages for apps to fire up? Granted I dont have loads of apps on my Vita but Netflix is accessed and working in seconds. I can get to the settings menue nearly as quick as i hit the screen. Games load instantly and the boot up time seems to be better then the new IP. Did I mention it doesnt run at 120 degrees either? Is the Vita as user friendly to share across other devices? No its not but whos to say it wont be. Its pretty simple to do with the PS3 and as time goes on it will only get better. Apple has had over 4 years to get it right so its only fair to give Sony some time.

5. Yes sales do matter but as I said before they have very little to do with the quality of the product. Refer to these examples

A. Do you feel Black ops is the best FPS of this gen? Becaue its sold more then any other

B. Do you feel the Wii was a superior console to the Xbox360 or PS3? Becaue it sold more then both of them. Despite having 5 year old hardware at launch and running on a gimmick

C. Do you think Vizio makes the second best TV? Because in NA its the second best selling TV( Come on now we all now Vizios are crap)

So although sales are important i would hardly use it as a argument to claim whats better. Apple sales for two reasons. Its very simple to use and its marketed extremly well.

I base my knowledge of people starting to get stick of it by the fact ive been selling there procuts for nearly 2 years. This is the first year when Android devices actually sell more. This is also the first year when Samsung overtook them in the smartphone business. You are starting to hear customers role there eyes when they see the diffrences between the IP2 and the New-IP. You are seeing anaylist finally start to jump off there bandwagon as they see there could be some problems int he future. Are they a popular and widely succesful company? Absolutely but for the most part you sound like a mindless Apple Zombie supporting something just because it has there name on it. People are starting to finally see that paying a premium price every year for a incramental upgrade is getting a bit old and although i see apple being around a very long time they will not hold there dominance forever as you think they will.

AM-Gamer

Sorry I took so long to respond.

I had to go to work and sleep to get done.

Admerial Bison

1. Yes I do stand by the fact the Vitas graphics are far superior to the I pad. UC:GA as a prime example. It may not be from PS3 to PS2 but In all fairness most higher end Ipad games look closer to Xbox one graphics in higher res but they still lack the assets that you see in Vita games. They dont have the same texture quality, lighting or animations that you are seeing in higher end vita titles. You can debate how much better the vita games look but you can't debate the fact that they indeed do look better and they do so on hardware that cost about half the price. Infinity edge 2 is probably the best looking game ive seen in the IP2 yet it still doesnt look as good as UC:GA and that doesnt even account for the fact that the is nowhere near as interactive. Dead Space was another game I played on the new IP and yes it looks very simliar to a Xbox 1 game with very primative textures and lighting and lower levles of geometry then what you are seeing on most higher end vita titles.

No. They are not far superior. You have not demonstrated or shown a title that exemplifies that vast difference betwen the PS3 and PS2. Now you changed your mine and akin it to the diference between the PS3 and box which is still wrong. The media and everyone have talked and made off the cuff remarks and comparisons between the ?New? iPad and Xbox360, PS3 graphics as noteworthy comparison. not iPad and Xbox as so wish it was.

That?s arguable if you think that Infinity Edge 2 is the best as there are many graphic intense games on the iPad and you akin the diffeference between that games graphics to Ucharted as Xbox to PS3?

You exaggerate and inflate the credit the Vita deserves.

1. You can stand by the fact that the butoons are easier to use all you want but for any tradional game there not . Anything resembeling a controller on the IP pales in comparison to real buttons. SF4 to me was nearly unplayable and if you like touch screen controls the Vita has you covered there. The reason why I bring up consoles in this argument is in all fairness the Vita is the only portable device that should be mentioned in the same breath as it can actually provide a very simliar expereince. The IP simply doesnt have it.

No. I pointed out the buttons on the PS Vita are smaller then the PSP and are actually harder and this can be noticed when playing intense fighting games. The other point I was making is though the ?buttons? on the iPad are virtual they have the advantage of being highly customised and are/can indeed be bigger. Certain genres I say do better with the iPads bigger screen and virtual button the the Vita?s smaller screen and smaller buttons.

namely RTS games.

1. The Criteria that I measaure UC to be a better game is its simply a superior prodcut , from prodcution values to graphics there is nothing on the Ip currently in the same league. If you dont believe me lets use common sense. Do you honestly think any gaming sight holds I pad games to the same standard as a console? Of course they dont the games cost $9.99 at the most with a large portion of them being free. Vita titles on the other hand are held to the same standard that a PS3 and 360 title is held to. No other portable device can claim that. its providing gaming of a higher standard. I did not play dungeon hunter on the Vita ( i got it on the Ps3 for 9.99) but I can tell two genres that i played in particular that were far superior on the vita are fighting games and TPS. The virtual controls simply bog you down not to mention the best games on the IP in these generes still look like Xbox 1 titles. I can also tell you there has yet to be a game on the IP or any smartphone that can hold my attention for more then 30 minutes. While i can easily hit a 3 hour gaming session on the Vita which I have never been able to stand on a portable devcie.

Once again you are talking about consoles. we are talking about the Vita and iPad.

And yes sites have talked and made comparisons between the new iPad and consoles.

The standard is between the iPad and Vita so stop your hiding behind consoles.

So what if no game can?t hold your attention more then 30 minutes. Doesn?t mean this a rule that applies to everyone else. what are you getting at with this?

1. Does the I pad beat the Vita in web browsing? Sure it does its one of the IP's premeire functions as the Vitas main function is a gaming console. And yes it plays games the IP couldnt even dream of. What that means is simple. Untill the IP has a controller and devs that actually put the same time and production values as stuff you see on the Vita the IP will be nothing more then one small step above a smartphone . It will never be held to the higher standard that a Vita is in terms of actual gaming quality. Also im starting to question if you have a Vita. It takes ages for apps to fire up? Granted I dont have loads of apps on my Vita but Netflix is accessed and working in seconds. I can get to the settings menue nearly as quick as i hit the screen. Games load instantly and the boot up time seems to be better then the new IP. Did I mention it doesnt run at 120 degrees either? Is the Vita as user friendly to share across other devices? No its not but whos to say it wont be. Its pretty simple to do with the PS3 and as time goes on it will only get better. Apple has had over 4 years to get it right so its only fair to give Sony some time.

What does the iPad having to been one step above an smartphone have to do with it? What in the world are you talking about?

so what if you say Netflix boots up fast on the Vita, it doesn?t discount why the other apps, settings and PSN connection is so slow.

Sony has been at the handheld game for 8 years by my count. PSP, then PSP GO now Vita. How much time should we give them? They better make it quicker with the Vita.

5. Yes sales do matter but as I said before they have very little to do with the quality of the product. Refer to these examples

A. Do you feel Black ops is the best FPS of this gen? Becaue its sold more then any other

B. Do you feel the Wii was a superior console to the Xbox360 or PS3? Becaue it sold more then both of them. Despite having 5 year old hardware at launch and running on a gimmick

C. Do you think Vizio makes the second best TV? Because in NA its the second best selling TV( Come on now we all now Vizios are crap)

So although sales are important i would hardly use it as a argument to claim whats better. Apple sales for two reasons. Its very simple to use and its marketed extremly well.

I base my knowledge of people starting to get stick of it by the fact ive been selling there procuts for nearly 2 years. This is the first year when Android devices actually sell more. This is also the first year when Samsung overtook them in the smartphone business. You are starting to hear customers role there eyes when they see the diffrences between the IP2 and the New-IP. You are seeing anaylist finally start to jump off there bandwagon as they see there could be some problems int he future. Are they a popular and widely succesful company? Absolutely but for the most part you sound like a mindless Apple Zombie supporting something just because it has there name on it. People are starting to finally see that paying a premium price every year for a incramental upgrade is getting a bit old and although i see apple being around a very long time they will not hold there dominance forever as you think they will.

1. sure why not, if I Like the game and bought it. But this subjective and my opinion
2. sure why not if I enjoy Nintendo franchises and preferred easier controls if I was not a veteran gamer, once again my opinion
3. Sure I would consider Vzio the best TVs for budget range and what I demand of it. My opinion

These are all subjective and my opinion. so what?

We could do polls, comparisons, and debates, but once again it comes down to the individual and the biggest statement they can make at the end of the day is to get the thing they want.

I don?t see much of that with the Vita-

Yet here you are making doom statements about the iPad and people becoming imminantly sick of it, when really that is far from the truth.

Are you sure that it?s the iPad that is facing doom and not so much the Vita?

It would be awesome if Apple bought Sony. There is only one company I dislike more than Sony and that is Apple. Then system wars can truly shine. Oh what a day that'll be if that should occur. *drools*

jimmypsn

It would make for fun and interesting times that's for sure. People may find themselves agreeing with the last person in the world for that to even happen and probably look twice at those they thought shared the same sort of games and ideals.

:twisted:

I would prefer Samsung to by the Playstation division. I believe the war here between Samsung, Apple, Nintendo and Microsoft would be far more intense.

There are laws in place that prevent a western company from owning more than 50% of a japaneese entity.

StrongDeadlift

[QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

[QUOTE="charizard1605"] Concept of Microeconomics: the price that the market is willing to buy something at indicates their desire for that product, or the value they place on it. Since the market isn't even willing to buy fairly priced high technology, it's clear that it doesn't care for it much.charizard1605

Right. Look at consoles like the 360 and especially the Wii when launched. It was clear the market wanted those as there were supply issues across the board. The Vita is a flop.

[QUOTE="charizard1605"][QUOTE="g0ddyX"]

How do you know what the market wants and not?
Maybe people are waiting for the Vita to drop to buy in...
As ALL consoles drop in value as do games. Its common sense to wait.

Lets be fair, a lot of posts you do is about sales and profit and less about Gaming feats and advancement which is what gaming is about.
Wanna play sales, play in the stock exchange market, simples.

If Apple did buy Sony... or something along the lines am sure Nintendo would have nothing but the handhelds left and the younger gamers to aim for.
Personally.. I feel Valve and Apple have something going on.

brennanhuff

Right. Look at consoles like the 360 and especially the Wii when launched. It was clear the market wanted those as there were supply issues across the board. The Vita is a flop.

Overpriced, new version of it each year, propietary parts, I don't think I would like that. This is coming from someone who actually owns a mac.

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[QUOTE="charizard1605"]If the market wanted the Vita, it would sell. Simple as that. It's not hard to see what the market does and doesn't want. Comduter

Right. Look at consoles like the 360 and especially the Wii when launched. It was clear the market wanted those as there were supply issues across the board. The Vita is a flop.

[QUOTE="AdmiralBison"][QUOTE="Desmonic"]

Red-

No... just.. no.

Blue-

Opinion. Some may find it so, some may find it not so.

And lol at the end of your post. Only blind fanboys believe Sony already hasn't it's PS4/Next in production....

Desmonic

Sorry for not answering bro, just noticed this thread got back on the first page :P

Anyway, what I mean by "just no" is that Apple doesn't have better hardware, They really don't. Take their laptops and desktops for example. They charge you "premium" prices, yet the same hardware costs much less if you buy it from other brands, and even less if you buy each part individually and build it yourself. The only product they have that IMO truly shines for it's quality is their iPod, be it the touch version or the classic version. Little fun and well built device.

And content delivery, as far as games go, on the iOS is a miss & hit. Yeah they do have some gems for very low prices but you have to shovel through a load of crap that is just pointless and useless. There is also crap on the XBL and PSN, but nowhere near the amount you find on the iOS and Android stores...

Finally, only blind fanboys think Sony isn't working on it's PS4/Next right as we speak. One thing is to launch later on the gen, another is to simply dismiss them from the next gen. And it was the latter that I got from your post, sorry if I.misinterpreted.

1. Apple has great hardware with clean , professional and sturdy craftmanship. Of course they charge a premium, but so have Sony with their Veio's but you can find equivalent specd laptops at cheaper prices.

Apple for better or worse is reputed with having good distribution, cusotmer and technical support, as well as content from iTunes and the Apps store. This is what customers recognise when they buy Macbooks, Mac Pros, iPods, iPhones and iPads. These aspects to Apple products are married and cohesive and not seperated. It's the bigger package that comes to mind when purchasing their hardware.

Content delivery isn't a hit a hit and miss if you've spent some time with getting to know iTunes and the App store's filtering system as well as the community rating.

Where did I imply that Sony wasn't working on a PS4?

Admerial bison

Im not going to continue to quote are dialoge. Lets just say you love simple games and simple hardware , you are bascailly a casual gamer in a gaming forum. Thats fine so enjoy your I-pad and wii games to each there own.

[QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

There are laws in place that prevent a western company from owning more than 50% of a japaneese entity.

campzor

uh oh deadlift... you making alpha cows angry now.

[QUOTE="campzor"][QUOTE="StrongDeadlift"]

There are laws in place that prevent a western company from owning more than 50% of a japaneese entity.

KBFloYd

uh oh deadlift... you making alpha cows angry now.