If FFXIII actually were to be compromised by the 360

The Japanese ver wouldn't be released until the 360 ver was completed.

Two more things:

1. That boxart that people have been referencing is not necessarily real. I believe the real cover was and always has been Lightning riding Odin (JP).

2. It doesn't say that the PS3 has uncompressed audio and video. It says, literally, "There is a difference between the compression ratios of the audio and video [between the 360 and PS3]"

We know for a fact the game wasn't compromised by the 360 version the game is the same game they showed 2006 e3 the only change was for the 360 version where a disc change pop up would come up, the pacing, areas of the game haven't been changed.

and your right it does say there is a difference in compression not that the ps3 doesn't have compression of any form.
But for any one that comes after its a FACT the game hasn't been changed or compromised.

We know for a fact the game wasn't compromised by the 360 version the game is the same game they showed 2006 e3 the only change was for the 360 version where a disc change pop up would come up, the pacing, areas of the game haven't been changed.

and your right it does say there is a difference in compression not that the ps3 doesn't have compression of any form.
But for any one that comes after its a FACT the game hasn't been changed or compromised.

WilliamRLBaker

No we don't, we don't know either way and we'll never know. So why care?

I'm gonna be upset if the Ps3 version doesn't have uncompressed audio. They're using a freaking 50GB disc, there is no reason not to include it.

As soon as I saw the 39/40 Famitsu score I said, "cows are gonna claim the 360 is to blame..." no one would ever think to blame poor design or just a general malaise over JRPG's in general. Im over-blowing it I know, but seriously people, don't be silly.

I think Final Fantasy XIII will be comprimised by the 360 but we will have to wait to see what it is.

i dun wanna assume things, but we all know PS3 exclusives are somehow better than x360's, so logically x360 did affect the PS3 version at some point.

The game is likely to have been compromised on PS3 due to the 360 version, not neccesarily in graphics, but in the design of the game. Because multiple disks are pretty much required for the 360 version of the game, the game isn't as open ended as it would have been if it were only on one disk. For example, in Final Fantasy IX you couldn't go back to earlier parts of the game later on (i.e. in disk 4) because there isn't enough room on the disk for those areas. Of course, i'm just speculating, but usually games that are designed for multiple consoles at once have to make some sort of compromise if the developers intend for the game to be equal on both consoles.

EDIT: The PS3 version is being compromised in another way; it's not releasing until the 360 version is done.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

We know for a fact the game wasn't compromised by the 360 version the game is the same game they showed 2006 e3 the only change was for the 360 version where a disc change pop up would come up, the pacing, areas of the game haven't been changed.

and your right it does say there is a difference in compression not that the ps3 doesn't have compression of any form.
But for any one that comes after its a FACT the game hasn't been changed or compromised.

Chutebox

No we don't, we don't know either way and we'll never know. So why care?

I'm gonna be upset if the Ps3 version doesn't have uncompressed audio. They're using a freaking 50GB disc, there is no reason not to include it.

I don't think there's anything more overrated than uncompressed sound. Seriously.

The Japanese ver wouldn't be released until the 360 ver was completed.

Two more things:

1. That boxart that people have been referencing is not necessarily real. I believe the real cover was and always has beenLightning riding Odin (JP).

2. It doesn't say that the PS3 has uncompressed audio and video. It says, literally, "There is a difference between the compression ratios of the audio and video [between the 360 and PS3]"

hakanakumono

lighting riding odin.... lol

ok ok on a serious note go HERE. Square Enix confirmed that the audio/ video are uncompressed on the PS3 version.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

We know for a fact the game wasn't compromised by the 360 version the game is the same game they showed 2006 e3 the only change was for the 360 version where a disc change pop up would come up, the pacing, areas of the game haven't been changed.

and your right it does say there is a difference in compression not that the ps3 doesn't have compression of any form.
But for any one that comes after its a FACT the game hasn't been changed or compromised.

xsubtownerx

No we don't, we don't know either way and we'll never know. So why care?

I'm gonna be upset if the Ps3 version doesn't have uncompressed audio. They're using a freaking 50GB disc, there is no reason not to include it.

I don't think there's anything more overrated than uncompressed sound. Seriously.

So basically, the PS3 gets better quality sound and better quality cutscenes, but the 360 has more AA, better textures and a more stable framerate in game. Hmmm.... i know which im going to choose :wink:Nidget

So basically, the PS3 gets better quality sound and better quality cutscenes, but the 360 has more AA, better textures and a more stable framerate in game. Hmmm.... i know which im going to choose :wink:Nidget

[QUOTE="Nidget"]So basically, the PS3 gets better quality sound and better quality cutscenes, but the 360 has more AA, better textures and a more stable framerate in game. Hmmm.... i know which im going to choose :wink:Chutebox

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

We know for a fact the game wasn't compromised by the 360 version the game is the same game they showed 2006 e3 the only change was for the 360 version where a disc change pop up would come up, the pacing, areas of the game haven't been changed.

and your right it does say there is a difference in compression not that the ps3 doesn't have compression of any form.
But for any one that comes after its a FACT the game hasn't been changed or compromised.

xsubtownerx

No we don't, we don't know either way and we'll never know. So why care?

I'm gonna be upset if the Ps3 version doesn't have uncompressed audio. They're using a freaking 50GB disc, there is no reason not to include it.

I don't think there's anything more overrated than uncompressed sound. Seriously.

the general population thinks mp3's sound good.... but in a quality comparison that doesn't make it right. run a low quality audio sample and a high quality audio sample through a high quality stereo and listen.... actually LISTEN (which is what most people don't do when they make this statement) i work with audio daily often for hours on end and i can say from personal experience that there is a BIG difference in quality. would you rather sit in front of an orchestra and listen to it or would you rather listen to it on a tape player with a little 4" speaker? thats a somewhat exaggerated approximation of the difference (i say somewhat exaggerated because its not too far off)

same goes with compressed video, some people don't mind watching a 4 gig movie that was compressed down to 600 megs because their screen is tiny and they don't see the compression blocks. me however, i see them and it drives me crazy.

long story short i spent a lot of money on both my audio and video setup and work with both alot so when it comes to those 2 things theres no such thing as "overrated"

We know for a fact the game wasn't compromised by the 360 version the game...
But for any one that comes after its a FACT the game hasn't been changed or compromised.

WilliamRLBaker

We don't know that for a fact, one way or the other, and we never will know that for a fact, SE will never tell us. They have a product to sell.

You can say it's unlikely or you don't think...but you and I and no one knows for a fact, save for SE internally.

^ they've actually already said that they had to change the game for the 360 because they wanted to have places people went back and explored (which is a staple in pretty much all final fantasy games) but had to take that out due to it being a 2 disc game. so it's already been compromised, the question now is how much more was compromised? like solid ty stated we'll never really know (unless someone from square wants to fill us in)

^ they've actually already said that they had to change the game for the 360 because they wanted to have places people went back and explored (which is a staple in pretty much all final fantasy games) but had to take that out due to it being a 2 disc game. so it's already been compromised, the question now is how much more was compromised? like solid ty stated we'll never really know (unless someone from square wants to fill us in)

z4twenny

[QUOTE="xsubtownerx"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

No we don't, we don't know either way and we'll never know. So why care?

I'm gonna be upset if the Ps3 version doesn't have uncompressed audio. They're using a freaking 50GB disc, there is no reason not to include it.

z4twenny

I don't think there's anything more overrated than uncompressed sound. Seriously.

the general population thinks mp3's sound good.... but in a quality comparison that doesn't make it right. run a low quality audio sample and a high quality audio sample through a high quality stereo and listen.... actually LISTEN (which is what most people don't do when they make this statement) i work with audio daily often for hours on end and i can say from personal experience that there is a BIG difference in quality. would you rather sit in front of an orchestra and listen to it or would you rather listen to it on a tape player with a little 4" speaker? thats a somewhat exaggerated approximation of the difference (i say somewhat exaggerated because its not too far off)

same goes with compressed video, some people don't mind watching a 4 gig movie that was compressed down to 600 megs because their screen is tiny and they don't see the compression blocks. me however, i see them and it drives me crazy.

long story short i spent a lot of money on both my audio and video setup and work with both alot so when it comes to those 2 things theres no such thing as "overrated"

I completely agree. I was once one of those people that didn't care about music formats such as FLAC and mp3's in 320 kbps because they all sounded the same to me. Then I purchased a nice surround system for me tv and some awesome headphones and then I truly understood how vastly different compressed and uncompressed audio (and video thanks to Blu-Rays) are. People who say things like uncompresed sound is overrated or just don't care just don't have the proper speakers/headphones to hear how horrible compressed audio can sound, and there's nothing wrong with that because if they had better quality music they probably wouldn't get a good listen at those differences.

[QUOTE="Nidget"]So basically, the PS3 gets better quality sound and better quality cutscenes, but the 360 has more AA, better textures and a more stable framerate in game. Hmmm.... i know which im going to choose :wink:Chutebox

Ok first of all the 360 did indeed compromise the PS3 version from what I saw here awhile back on an old thread. They showed the difference of how the game looked when it was a PS3 exclusive and then awhile later it showed how it looked for the 360 and the PS3 as a multiplat and the graphics changed a lot and the game looked washed down from the previous in game photos. But again the hard headed 360 fanboys will rage on how it didn't and so on and so on.

Say what you will, but anyone with a brain would know that who in their right mind would bring out a major multiplat game and make one version significantly better then the other this far along in the consoles lifetime. They are going to make this game as close to each other as possible for sales reasons. They are not going to make the PS3 version better because it will lack sales of the 360 version. Why? because everyone is going to want the better one. So to balance it out and get good sales from across the board they will make it the same from the weaker version, which is the 360 on a DVD format. This is why they are coming out with the FF13 Versus, it is to take advantage of the PS3 like it was meant to be from the beginning and show what could of been done with the game at its full potential. Just think of it like other games such as COD series, Madden, and so on being similar for sales reasons that's the way multiplats work.

[QUOTE="z4twenny"]

^ they've actually already said that they had to change the game for the 360 because they wanted to have places people went back and explored (which is a staple in pretty much all final fantasy games) but had to take that out due to it being a 2 disc game. so it's already been compromised, the question now is how much more was compromised? like solid ty stated we'll never really know (unless someone from square wants to fill us in)

Chutebox

i could've swore square said that initially they wanted to have some backtracking but they nixed it in the planning stages once they found out they were going to be using multiple discs on the 360.

The early videos and screenshots showed Final Fantasy XIII running on the PC version of Crystal Tools engine. It had the graphics downgraded to run smoothly on both consoles. So, it's not x360 fault alone, but PS3 as well.

The early videos and screenshots showed Final Fantasy XIII running on the PC version of Crystal Tools engine. It had the graphics downgraded to run smoothly on both consoles. So, it's not x360 fault alone, but PS3 as well.

The early videos and screenshots showed Final Fantasy XIII running on the PC version of Crystal Tools engine. It had the graphics downgraded to run smoothly on both consoles. So, it's not x360 fault alone, but PS3 as well.

[QUOTE="RyuRanVII"]

The early videos and screenshots showed Final Fantasy XIII running on the PC version of Crystal Tools engine. It had the graphics downgraded to run smoothly on both consoles. So, it's not x360 fault alone, but PS3 as well.

ItsBriskBaby

Look here: http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/53828

I still think Square-Enix will finish the PC version and release it some months after the PS3/x360 versions, just like Capcom did with Street Fighter 4 and Resident Evil 5. ;)

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

We know for a fact the game wasn't compromised by the 360 version the game...
But for any one that comes after its a FACT the game hasn't been changed or compromised.

SolidTy

We don't know that for a fact, one way or the other, and we never will know that for a fact, SE will never tell us. They have a product to sell.

You can say it's unlikely or you don't think...but you and I and no one knows for a fact, save for SE internally.

[QUOTE="RyuRanVII"]

The early videos and screenshots showed Final Fantasy XIII running on the PC version of Crystal Tools engine. It had the graphics downgraded to run smoothly on both consoles. So, it's not x360 fault alone, but PS3 as well.

ItsBriskBaby

lol yes because those 2 pictures are so drastically different yes...lol as for that all development begins on pc's dont you know this? you dont just hook the ps3 up to a monitor the pc is the middle man they all their textures and gamebuilding and that is imported into the ps3 development kits, but it doesn't change the fact that certain stuff can be shown straight from the pc and not even have touched the ps3 yet and because the ps3 couldn't handle it they downgraded it. as for that im not seeing any downgrade, that you seem to say yay and nay difference means your a fanboy with fanboy goggles.

the most recent advent children demo has shown the game matches the cgi that we saw at e3 2006 with no downgrade aparent.

Nothing has been said by any one except rampent fanboy sites that the game was downgraded, nothing has hinted at it at all, the gameplay and other interviews have not changed since the game was firsted hinted at which denotes factually the game hasn't changed.

The largest proof is the game was in development for nearly 3 years before the 360 version was announced nothing about a multi disc game should change design not when ff7 and such had quite alot of backtracking the past areas on the cd format and 3 cds. untill some hint is shown changes were made, its a fact the game hasn't changed and the 360 hasn't compromised the game...except in the minds of fanboys.

[QUOTE="ItsBriskBaby"][QUOTE="RyuRanVII"]

The early videos and screenshots showed Final Fantasy XIII running on the PC version of Crystal Tools engine. It had the graphics downgraded to run smoothly on both consoles. So, it's not x360 fault alone, but PS3 as well.

Look here: http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/53828

I still think Square-Enix will finish the PC version and release it some months after the PS3/x360 versions, just like Capcom did with Street Fighter 4 and Resident Evil 5. ;)

[QUOTE="ItsBriskBaby"][QUOTE="RyuRanVII"]

The early videos and screenshots showed Final Fantasy XIII running on the PC version of Crystal Tools engine. It had the graphics downgraded to run smoothly on both consoles. So, it's not x360 fault alone, but PS3 as well.

WilliamRLBaker

lol yes because those 2 pictures are so drastically different yes...lol as for that all development begins on pc's dont you know this? you dont just hook the ps3 up to a monitor the pc is the middle man they all their textures and gamebuilding and that is imported into the ps3 development kits, but it doesn't change the fact that certain stuff can be shown straight from the pc and not even have touched the ps3 yet and because the ps3 couldn't handle it they downgraded it. as for that im not seeing any downgrade, that you seem to say yay and nay difference means your a fanboy with fanboy goggles.

the most recent advent children demo has shown the game matches exactly the cgi that we saw at e3 2006 with no download aparent.

[QUOTE="RyuRanVII"]

The early videos and screenshots showed Final Fantasy XIII running on the PC version of Crystal Tools engine. It had the graphics downgraded to run smoothly on both consoles. So, it's not x360 fault alone, but PS3 as well.

ItsBriskBaby

Wrong.

as if the developpers would just come out and say, yes the ps3 version has been compromised by the 360 version

[QUOTE="ItsBriskBaby"][QUOTE="RyuRanVII"]

The early videos and screenshots showed Final Fantasy XIII running on the PC version of Crystal Tools engine. It had the graphics downgraded to run smoothly on both consoles. So, it's not x360 fault alone, but PS3 as well.

Wrong.

A few things

1. Unless developers are incompetent (see Tri Ace), the entire game usually on every single disc of multidisc games - it's only FMV and audio that change.

2. There's no Japanese audio because they're re-animating the lips to fit a better English translation this time.

3. Like all games, FFXIII is built off of the PC utilizing "Crystal Tools" which can be used to create 360/PS3 games. The downgrades are just as much for the PS3 ver as the 360 ver, being that the initial FFXIII demo lagged on the PS3.

[QUOTE="Nidget"]So basically, the PS3 gets better quality sound and better quality cutscenes, but the 360 has more AA, better textures and a more stable framerate in game. Hmmm.... i know which im going to choose :wink:Silent-Hal

I loled

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="z4twenny"]

^ they've actually already said that they had to change the game for the 360 because they wanted to have places people went back and explored (which is a staple in pretty much all final fantasy games) but had to take that out due to it being a 2 disc game. so it's already been compromised, the question now is how much more was compromised? like solid ty stated we'll never really know (unless someone from square wants to fill us in)

z4twenny

i could've swore square said that initially they wanted to have some backtracking but they nixed it in the planning stages once they found out they were going to be using multiple discs on the 360.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

We know for a fact the game wasn't compromised by the 360 version the game...
But for any one that comes after its a FACT the game hasn't been changed or compromised.

WilliamRLBaker

We don't know that for a fact, one way or the other, and we never will know that for a fact, SE will never tell us. They have a product to sell.

You can say it's unlikely or you don't think...but you and I and no one knows for a fact, save for SE internally.

Gonna keep this short, we know nothing for a fact.

It was compromised when they decided to take out JP voices. English voice acting for a JRPG *shivers*...hopefully it's good.

It was compromised when they decided to take out JP voices. English voice acting for a JRPG *shivers*...hopefully it's good.

Gxgear

I highly doubt it will, but I wouldn't be surprised if the PS3 version was better.

To be completely honest, there really isn't anything we can do decides buy it or not. Whether it was or wasn't, I doubt it will be anything big and if it was then well, exercise your right not to buy I spuppose?

The game is likely to have been compromised on PS3 due to the 360 version, not neccesarily in graphics, but in the design of the game. Because multiple disks are pretty much required for the 360 version of the game, the game isn't as open ended as it would have been if it were only on one disk. For example, in Final Fantasy IX you couldn't go back to earlier parts of the game later on (i.e. in disk 4) because there isn't enough room on the disk for those areas. Of course, i'm just speculating, but usually games that are designed for multiple consoles at once have to make some sort of compromise if the developers intend for the game to be equal on both consoles.

EDIT: The PS3 version is being compromised in another way; it's not releasing until the 360 version is done.

pretzelmeister

it was confirmed that because of the 360 lack of space on dvd we wouldnt get original voice overs

it was confirmed that because of the 360 lack of space on dvd we wouldnt get original voice overs

BlackTragedy

No it wasn't.

[QUOTE="BlackTragedy"]

it was confirmed that because of the 360 lack of space on dvd we wouldnt get original voice overs

hakanakumono

No it wasn't.

[QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

[QUOTE="BlackTragedy"]

it was confirmed that because of the 360 lack of space on dvd we wouldnt get original voice overs

Chutebox

No it wasn't.

We're not getting Japanese voice actors because Square isn't about to push the game back just so they can include two versions of every cutscene.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="hakanakumono"]

No it wasn't.

hakanakumono

We're not getting Japanese voice actors because Square isn't about to push the game back just so they can include two versions of every cutscene.