If KZ2 isn't the best Human craft ever, is a flop?

All I know it better score a 9.5, sell a million worldwide within 24 hours, and be the FPS of the year 2009.  If it doesn't get any of those it will be the biggest PS3 flop to date.  These are the expectations because of all of the hype generated.

 

ReverseCycology

All I know it better score a 9.5, sell a million worldwide within 24 hours, and be the FPS of the year 2009.  If it doesn't get any of those it will be the biggest PS3 flop to date.  These are the expectations because of all of the hype generated.

I don't know why people let hype effect their judgment on a game.

If the game is awsome you guys are still going to complain.

           This is the most hyped game i've seen in a long while.  If it doesnt get AT Least a 9.0 its a flop and ITS NOT GONNA GET A 9.0.

 

           This is the most hyped game i've seen in a long while.  If it doesnt get AT Least a 9.0 its a flop and ITS NOT GONNA GET A 9.0.

grimhope

with the right marketing an hype, I'm sure it'll get AAA.

If the game doesn't do *significantly* better than R2 in just about every way, I really hope it finally convinces Sony to stop sending GG bags of money with notes of "Take as many years as you need!" attached to them.Shafftehr

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           This is the most hyped game i've seen in a long while.  If it doesnt get AT Least a 9.0 its a flop and ITS NOT GONNA GET A 9.0.

Blue-Sky

with the right marketing an hype, I'm sure it'll get AAA.

You mean with the right amout of marketing payouts???

It's a completely different style of shooter, like Halo and Rainbow Six VegasCouth_

[QUOTE="Couth_"]It's a completely different style of shooter, like Halo and Rainbow Six VegasShafftehr

When I said Halo and Vegas, I meant Halo and Vegas, not Halo and CoD4Couth_

[QUOTE="Couth_"]When I said Halo and Vegas, I meant Halo and Vegas, not Halo and CoD4Shafftehr

Well i'm basing it off of the beta, so I'm saying your comparison sucked :roll: Couth_

[QUOTE="Couth_"]Well i'm basing it off of the beta, so I'm saying your comparison sucked :roll: Shafftehr

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"][QUOTE="Couth_"]Well i'm basing it off of the beta, so I'm saying your comparison sucked :roll: Couth_

Well pardon me. I took the previews saying that it played much like Killzone 1, just vastly improved, at face value. Perhaps I should write them and tell them that's a bold-faced lie. Can I quote you? And would you care to tell us what notable changes they've made from the fundamental gameplay in KZ1 that makes it play nothing like a pretty standard Halo clone?Shafftehr

[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"] Well, lord knows the best thing GG could have done is get way the heck away from that horror story gameplay they had in the original. I'm guessing in spite of numerous previews saying it's similar to that, it's vastly not according to you?Shafftehr

[QUOTE="Shafftehr"] Well pardon me. I took the previews saying that it played much like Killzone 1, just vastly improved, at face value. Perhaps I should write them and tell them that's a bold-faced lie. Can I quote you? And would you care to tell us what notable changes they've made from the fundamental gameplay in KZ1 that makes it play nothing like a pretty standard Halo clone?Couth_

Killzone 2 needs a 9.5 to send a message that it exceeded all the hype.

 

ReverseCycology

[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"] Well pardon me. I took the previews saying that it played much like Killzone 1, just vastly improved, at face value. Perhaps I should write them and tell them that's a bold-faced lie. Can I quote you? And would you care to tell us what notable changes they've made from the fundamental gameplay in KZ1 that makes it play nothing like a pretty standard Halo clone?Episode_Eve

If the game doesn't do *significantly* better than R2 in just about every way, I really hope it finally convinces Sony to stop sending GG bags of money with notes of "Take as many years as you need!" attached to them.Shafftehr

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="Couth_"]How about a link or a quote saying it plays like Killzone1? To start with the physics, Halo is floaty, no physics, auto aim. KZ2 has heavy physics, no auto aim, a sprint button, which affects your aim. Movement affects your aim. The bloody wind affects your aim. Halo could take a good clip to kill an enemy. In KZ2, one headshot does the trick, or 2-3 well placed shots from any gun will give you a kill. KZ2 will have a cover system (BIG one there). Has fictional weapons based on REAL attributes, Halo has completely fictional weapons with fictional attributes...Halo has health regen, KZ2 has partial health regen, which depends on where and how many times you were hit. KZ2 has weapons classes, which each have their own attributes, some have disposable bots. There are medics.. Would you like me to go on?AdmiralDan

Killzone 2 needs a 9.5 to send a message that it exceeded all the hype.

 

ReverseCycology

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

Killzone 2 needs a 9.5 to send a message that it exceeded all the hype.

 

ReverseCycology

if KZ2 gets an average of 9/10 scores personally i think it would be great and would prove already enough that its an amazing game...

I'm curious to see what will be the reaction of all those MANY MANY haters who have been bashing the game for the past years say if KZ2 gets AAA (9/10) scores or who knows even a couple of 9.5/10 scores...

[QUOTE="Couth_"]It's a completely different style of shooter, like Halo and Rainbow Six VegasShafftehr

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"] Actually Gears of War 1 exceeded expectation and Gears of War 2 just continued its success. Killzone 2 will make its first debut on the next gen console. Just like how Gears of War 1 debuted with a bang on the next gen console, Killzone 2 needs to do the same or even needs to do more because of the unstoppable hype. Killzone 2 needs a 9.5 to really shake up the FPS genre and make one helluva entrance.ReverseCycology

edit:  I could see it now, if Killzone 2 gets a 9.0 or should I say an AAA, then it's going to be called the Halo killer.  :roll:

There's no doubt that Halo: CE ushered in a loose standard for console FPSs, but KZ2 is far from a Halo clone (2 weapon system regen health). You'd have a better chance tagging Haze with that moniker.Episode_Eve

A standard so loose that we are still waitng for a Halo killer?

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"] Actually Gears of War 1 exceeded expectation and Gears of War 2 just continued its success. Killzone 2 will make its first debut on the next gen console. Just like how Gears of War 1 debuted with a bang on the next gen console, Killzone 2 needs to do the same or even needs to do more because of the unstoppable hype. Killzone 2 needs a 9.5 to really shake up the FPS genre and make one helluva entrance.ReverseCycology

edit:  I could see it now, if Killzone 2 gets a 9.0 or should I say an AAA, then it's going to be called the Halo killer.  :roll:

It didn't...by their rating they're both equally good....and anyone who tells you otherwise is a clearly biased.

To be fair, the notion that gears was destroyed by resistance is mainly because gears 2 declined in score compared to gears 1, however, resistance 2 ascended....even though this is the case...both are AAA, and still end up being counted as equal AAA exclusives. Any other justification is opinion based on personal preferences..

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"] Actually Gears of War 1 exceeded expectation and Gears of War 2 just continued its success. Killzone 2 will make its first debut on the next gen console. Just like how Gears of War 1 debuted with a bang on the next gen console, Killzone 2 needs to do the same or even needs to do more because of the unstoppable hype. Killzone 2 needs a 9.5 to really shake up the FPS genre and make one helluva entrance.ReverseCycology

edit:  I could see it now, if Killzone 2 gets a 9.0 or should I say an AAA, then it's going to be called the Halo killer.  :roll:

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]There's no doubt that Halo: CE ushered in a loose standard for console FPSs, but KZ2 is far from a Halo clone (2 weapon system regen health). You'd have a better chance tagging Haze with that moniker.Tasman_basic

A standard so loose that we are still waitng for a Halo killer?

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It didn't...by their rating they're both equally good....and anyone who tells you otherwise is a clearly biased.

To be fair, the notion that gears was destroyed by resistance is mainly because gears 2 declined in score compared to gears 1, however, resistance 2 ascended....even though this is the case...both are AAA, and still end up being counted as equal AAA exclusives. Any other justification is opinion based on personal preferences..

ReverseCycology

That's my point, it didn't. I'm trying to explain to you that AAA is AAA,... fanboys run to make excuses about high AAA or law AAA when they're looking for damage control...the same way people here are saying that if Killzone 2 won't get 9.5 it's a flop. THis is impossible because it was hyped AAA (to my knowledge)...there's no changing that by all of a sudden introducing new standards that seem convenient for them everytime. Whether gears scored 9.5 or 9.0 it's still AAA...fanboys just look for excuses by looking at the difference in scores based on the previous games.

Believe it or not, the last killzone 2 hype thread saw most cows hyping it AA. :PNinja-Hippo

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[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]There's no doubt that Halo: CE ushered in a loose standard for console FPSs, but KZ2 is far from a Halo clone (2 weapon system regen health). You'd have a better chance tagging Haze with that moniker.Episode_Eve

A standard so loose that we are still waitng for a Halo killer?

What console FPS scored higher than Halo 3?