If KZ2 isn't the best Human craft ever, is a flop?

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#51 Episode_Eve
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[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"] Regarding my sig (I've explained this numerous times): My sig is the product of SW. The history and relationship between the two games (Gears and Resistance) is evident. Resistance has always been ridiculed and looked at as "mediocre" and "lame"; with no possible chance of being as good as Gears (in the least). It's always been the underdog. Now, don't get me wrong, I love Gears (as do I Resistance). And I'm not saying that R2 is a better game, because it's not. My sig only has correlation with GS and these boards. And by remembering the damage control, it's pretty obvious. Now, I believe that it would have more impact if it scored 9.5. Still, the point stands. About the Halo-killer thing...I can't control what fanboys say if that does happen. it won't make sense to me, now if the two released the same month and they were under the microscope of comparison then that's different. I just know I won't. KZ was unfortunately titled 'halo-killer' by a European journalist, and people ran with it. The relationship between Gears and Resistance is much different, especially in SW.ReverseCycology

 

That was all I was trying to say about Killzone 2.  It needs a 9.5 to exceed the unstoppable hype and for the AAA score to be more impactful.  That is all.

 

 

You're still wrong, lol. KZ2 does not need to be 9.5 (maybe to you and your justifications, but not by popular standard). All it needs to do is maintain its hype in score: AAA. KZ2 is only competing with itself, nothing else.
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#53 Episode_Eve
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[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="ReverseCycology"]

 

 

That was all I was trying to say about Killzone 2.  It needs a 9.5 to exceed the unstoppable hype and for the AAA score to be more impactful.  That is all.

 

 

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You're still wrong, lol. KZ2 does not need to be 9.5 (maybe to you and your justifications, but not by popular standard). All it needs to do is maintain its hype in score: AAA. KZ2 is only competing with itself, nothing else.

In that case since Killzone 2 is only competing with itself, I guess people shouldn't make comparison threads then, that's cool.

Since the infamous CGI footage, KZ2 has been it's own worst enemy. Sure there will be those to compare it to other games (everything is compared), but it's competing with only itslef. These two 'c' words are different :wink:. And the games that people have been comparing it to are titles that scored 9.0 (Gears 2 for graphics and Cod4 for mechanics). I've never seen comparisons to Halo 3, Rainbow 6, GRAW.
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#54 Episode_Eve
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[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="Tasman_basic"]

 

A standard so loose that we are still waitng for a Halo killer?

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Halo is no longer the best shooter nor the best FPS on consoles. There are many other choices gamers have that are equally good. This gets into the realm of subjectivity. It still holds claim to the innovations I listed above. Games still follow some design implementations Bungie made years ago.

What console FPS scored higher than Halo 3?

On GS none. But when we get into the real world, there are other offerings that are just as good as Halo 3. CoD 4 is the biggest competitor to Halo 3. It sold like crazy and is the most played online game over Halo 3. These are all awesome games, now we can get subjective.
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#56 Episode_Eve
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[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]Since the infamous CGI footage, KZ2 has been it's own worst enemy. Sure there will be those to compare it to other games (everything is compared), but it's competing with only itslef. These two 'c' words are different :wink:. And the games that people have been comparing it to are titles that scored 9.0 (Gears 2 for graphics and Cod4 for mechanics). I've never seen comparisons to Halo 3, Rainbow 6, GRAW.ReverseCycology

In my original post I've stated Killzone 2 needs a 9.5, sell a million within 24 hours worldwide, and be crowned shooter of the year 2009 just to make a statement. If it's only competing with itself then it's disqualified to be a contender for shooter of the year. The fact is, no it's not competing with itself. It's competing with shooters that will be out the same year and previous shooters. Killzone 2 is the biggest PS3 game and has become the Sony flagship. All I was saying Killzone 2 needs a statement to even be considered in competing. And just like the topic title, if Killzone 2 isn't the best human craft ever, it might not be a flop, but it did not exceed expectation which is more disappointing.

 

All in all, Killzone 2 will be the best PS3 shooter this gen.

 

 

I didn't mean that literally :|. It is competing against itself in regard to *having to prove itself*. Obviously when it releases it will be eligible for Shooter of the Year. And yes, it will need to compete against other shooters in order to be on that list.
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#57 TheDismal
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[QUOTE="Tasman_basic"]

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]There's no doubt that Halo: CE ushered in a loose standard for console FPSs, but KZ2 is far from a Halo clone (2 weapon system regen health). You'd have a better chance tagging Haze with that moniker.Episode_Eve

A standard so loose that we are still waitng for a Halo killer?

Halo is no longer the best shooter nor the best FPS on consoles. There are many other choices gamers have that are equally good. This gets into the realm of subjectivity. It still holds claim to the innovations I listed above. Games still follow some design implementations Bungie made years ago.

Of course it did - it's on three consoles. Nevertheless, Halo is still terrifically special. New, fresh first-person shooters will be compared to Halo and that's the game that typifies first-person shooters on consoles.

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[QUOTE="Couth_"][QUOTE="Shafftehr"] Well, lord knows the best thing GG could have done is get way the heck away from that horror story gameplay they had in the original. I'm guessing in spite of numerous previews saying it's similar to that, it's vastly not according to you?Shafftehr
I'm saying it's nothing like Resistance 2, just as Vegas is nothing like Halo. And as someone who has played neither I don't think you have room to speak

Well pardon me. I took the previews saying that it played much like Killzone 1, just vastly improved, at face value. Perhaps I should write them and tell them that's a bold-faced lie. Can I quote you? And would you care to tell us what notable changes they've made from the fundamental gameplay in KZ1 that makes it play nothing like a pretty standard Halo clone?

 

you have any idea how much better any killzone game would be if it PLAYED like halo?  i really liked the first killzone, loved it actually.  but it was because i like the LOOK of it.  the control and performance of it was........not nearly as good as it should have been.  like.......i wish they could just straight up copy/paste the exact code for the analog stick fucntionality and aiming in general into EVERY SINGLE CONSOLE FPS (from halo 1). it would make most of them alot better. and some of them (TUROK) infinitly better.

 

 

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#59 EuroMafia
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Hype is AAA Anything below is a flop. That's it.
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#60 -General_Ram-
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8.5 is a flop.

And :lol: at cows thinking this will cause a Halo spike in PS3 hardware.

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#61 John_McFail
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graphics will be superb. While the gameplay wont be revolutionary it will be good enough to do the game justice. 8.5-9.5cliff122316
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#62 -Sniper99-
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I'd say anything under a 9.0 here at GS would cause HUGE damage control/ownage. I'm expecting this game to kick some major ass:D
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#63 Floppy_Jim
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I hereby guarantee that Killzown 2 will score at least 9.0.
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#64 EuroMafia
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I hereby guarantee that Killzown 2 will score at least 9.0. Floppy_Jim
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#65 deactivated-5e7be39d87e0b
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KZ2 has a ridiculous amount of expectations placed on it, by its supporters and its detractors. Crtically, it will probably meet expectations, but it has to meet and exceed sales expectations to be considered a universal success.