If Lair is indeed a AA or even a AAA?

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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]how about we just wait and see?Sir-Marwin105

Agreed. By the way, I am playing PoP:Warrior Within again right now as well. I forgot just how hard that game can be at times, lol. Killer game though, regardless. You have good taste.

I actually prefer Warrior Within to Sands of Time myself, as I dig the darker tone and slicing up foes to the beat of Heavy Metal. The Dahaka chases get pretty intense as well. But I doknow what you mean by that authentic PoP feel and charm though. And that is why I think that Two Thrones is the best of the three. It captured that original PoP feel, but still had the darker element to it as well, which made it perfect in my mind.

[QUOTE="JiveT"]Lair is garbage. Some games are garbage from the get go. Lair is one of those games. lokopi

GARBAGE??? wth r u talking abt?? ppl like u r the ones who needs a big slap of reality~ppl who judge something without even knowing anything abt it~

heck,if u don like it..don buy it~at least appreciatte the hard work given into it~

if u building say~~~~a tree house and ppl just mock ur treehouse like heck and start saying ur queer 4 building it when u spent weeks building it~i bet u would get pissed and a lil heart brokened....same goes 4 the devs~the lair devs took 2 yrs to make the game and ppl r allready judging the game without even playing the full game~

so use a lil bit of logical sense because heck,life aint a game~u need 2 take a huge step in front and start learning to appreciatte something even thought u hated it......because one its gone....then ur screwed.....

Your analogy is ignorant damage control. I'm not making people pay to look at my tree house, so if it sucks people probably won't even care about it enough to make a comment. If someone just paid $60 for a game expecting it to be good, and they end up not enjoying it, that was $60 they wasted and they have every right lay the smackdown HARD on it. That was $60 they could've spent on a BETTER game.

well a lot of games don't get affected by reviews. (Look at spiderman3 for instance)

also, PS3 fans have this extreme loyalty to the PS brand that they might buy the game even if it receive mediocre score here at GS.

I've seen someone (I guess asdasd) here at GS forums who bought the PS3 version of NCAA 08 (from what it seemed) out of loyality reasons, despite owning an X360.

so I think there is a big chance ps3 loyalist would pick up this game regardless of the score it receives.

well a lot of games don't get affected by reviews. (Look at spiderman3 for instance)

also, PS3 fans have this extreme loyalty to the PS brand that they might buy the game even if it receive mediocre score here at GS.

I've seen someone (I guess asdasd) here at GS forums who bought the PS3 version of NCAA 08 (from what it seemed) out of loyality reasons, despite owning an X360.

so I think there is a big chance ps3 loyalist would pick up this game regardless of the score it receives.

Mystery_Writer

But the Spiderman 3 game had the friggin' Spiderman franchise behind it.

If by "loyalist", you mean fanboy, then yes, I would say they'd probably pick it up. asdasd is a prime example.

Lair is garbage. Some games are garbage from the get go. Lair is one of those games. JiveT

How do You Know? Have you played it? No.....didnt think so. Wait till the game comes out before you call it garbage.

Back to the topic at hand, I think the OP has a point. Then again, so do some of you guys.

I think there SHOULD be a "moral" limit on what the larger sites say about a game, not to restrict their freedom of speech, but to uphold said sites integrity. For instance, they shouldn't out-right bash a game for ANY reason. Leave that to the fanboys. Opinions are great, but when you start comparing it to this and that, and calling it, and or the devs names... its messed up. The dev's DID spend countless hours on a game THEY felt was going to be fun. If the reviewer didn't find it fun, its his JOB to say why, and give specific reasons. Not "because it isn't Halo 3" or "it isn't Rogue Squadron". Games shouldn't be openly compared. However, that is just the way it is. And untill I become a reviewer for some website or magazine, that is how it will be.

BUT--

On the other side of the argument, I agree that the responcibility lies heavily (not soely) on the developers to send their highest-quality, most near-to-finished copy of the game to the reviewers. However, even if the game isn't complete/great, then the reviewing site/mag should show SOME professionality, and try to be as un-biased as they can be.

To be un-bias about something, or at least seem that way, you have to go into a game without/disreguarding any prior knowledge/opinions about it. Not a lot of people can do this (seemingly). This is why I am worried for Heavenly Sword. How many reviewers will go into a review play, thinking "SWEET! GOD OF WAR 3 WITHOUT KRATOS!"? If they do, they will be sadly disappointed, as HS, (IMO) whilst in the same catagory as GOW, is vastly different than GOW, and should be treated as what it is... a new IP, thus removing most bias from a review. That isn't to say everyone will still like the game, but at least it would be an honest review.

Anyway, I could talk about this for hours. So I'll just leave it at that :D Also, I hope Lair does well! I plan on playing it anyway.. i mean.. c'mon.. controlling a realistic-looking dragon? awesome! Can't wait to see the unlockables either!

[QUOTE="rpg9000owner"][QUOTE="JiveT"]Lair is garbage. Some games are garbage from the get go. Lair is one of those games. JiveT

Why do I have to play garbage? When I can simply smell it from a mile away...

Ironic, that you have a sonic icon...

Lair is garbage. Some games are garbage from the get go. Lair is one of those games. JiveT

Lair is garbage. Some games are garbage from the get go. Lair is one of those games. JiveT

yay! you've played it right.

I'm not saying it is or isn't garbage. But how about reserving judgement until you've tried it.

wow..since when has the garbage that 1up spouts turned into gospel? its friggin 1up for crying out loud... who takes 1up seriously? also, its almost shameful that so many people crowd stupid posts like these (myself included)... what goes beyond stupidity is that alot of you guys are CELEBRATING that some nobody site dislikes a game? just wow... no wonder the better posters from the dedicated 360 and PS3 forums dont come here alot ... its understandable that more people will diss a ps3 game (a rather shallow one from the look of things but visually stunning nonetheless) since there are ALOT more 360 fans than PS3 ones but starting a circle jerk over it and patting each other on the back with your soiled hands is alarming... what ever happened to thinking on your own and creating an informed opinion from PERSONAL experience, why let some nobodies think for you? i apologize for not being as calloused to fanboyism as many posters but objectivity is sorely lacking...

360 fanboys, is this what you really want? do you really want more media outlets to vilify the competiton by compromising their journalistic integrity just because you guys are the majority? when fanboys allow bigger fanboys (such as 1up) to demonstrate poor work ethics just because they want to win over the larger userbase (resulting in larger site traffic) without questioning what their intentions were no one wins. 1up decided a long time ago Liar was 'crap' before the game was even shown in playable form. Liar stood no chance...

GS is harsh on the PS3 not because they want it to fail but because they want it to improve (unlike most their users)... 1UP is just harsh because they're fanboys that want to make noise and the fanboys eat it up... on a personal note EGM stopped beeing relevant to me a few months after the dreamcast launch, 1UP and EGM are just grasping at straws and placating their fanboy users/subscribers to stay employed... they lost a long time ago... they are old news

eNT1TY

This guy (or gal) posted this on another thread I was reading, I thought it was a good response to the thread. Bashing a game saying "looks like they poured chocolate all over" is not what a professional reviewer should be saying. It was funny that the other guy on the podcast (I dont know their names) was trying to do damage control because the reviewer was going wild wild west.

In a way, it would be Factor 5's fault for sending EGM an early, incomplete copy of the game in order for them to write a review for it. But if EGM had any integrity, they would re-review the game, changing the score to reflect the content in the retail version of the game.Einhanderkiller

Concerning EGM, they graded it down because it was Rouge squadren-fan modded.....

Infinatey

there was no real authenticity to the game like there was with the rogue squadron series. and they repeatedly said it felt like flying a starfighter with a simple dragon skin over it. a real shame, cuz factor 5 used to be one of the best.

What's the point anyway of waiting, we only use GS to talk about other non GS reviews right?

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[QUOTE="rpg9000owner"][QUOTE="JiveT"]Lair is garbage. Some games are garbage from the get go. Lair is one of those games. rpg9000owner

Why do I have to play garbage? When I can simply smell it from a mile away...

nothing you can do to change jivet and gamergeekgeek views of ps3 games. their minds are automatically made up.

Lair is garbage. Some games are garbage from the get go. Lair is one of those games. JiveT

WAFFLELMAO. That was funny.

[QUOTE="JiveT"]Lair is garbage. Some games are garbage from the get go. Lair is one of those games. lokopi

GARBAGE??? wth r u talking abt?? ppl like u r the ones who needs a big slap of reality~ppl who judge something without even knowing anything abt it~

heck,if u don like it..don buy it~at least appreciatte the hard work given into it~

if u building say~~~~a tree house and ppl just mock ur treehouse like heck and start saying ur queer 4 building it when u spent weeks building it~i bet u would get pissed and a lil heart brokened....same goes 4 the devs~the lair devs took 2 yrs to make the game and ppl r allready judging the game without even playing the full game~

so use a lil bit of logical sense because heck,life aint a game~u need 2 take a huge step in front and start learning to appreciatte something even thought u hated it......because one its gone....then ur screwed.....

no one is going to take you seriously if you spell like a 13 year old girl.

Lair is garbage. Some games are garbage from the get go. Lair is one of those games. JiveT

exactly what i was gonna say