If Live is so great..

How come Hermits NEVER seem to talk about it? I'm just curious. They can sign up for Live, too, but it doesn't seem like it's going over too well with PC users. It makes me wonder if playing games online is really the only reason to get Gold.

Why the hell would they talk about it when they have Steam?

Hermits mainly use Steam from what I heard.

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Hermits mainly use Steam from what I heard.

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mitu123

Well, that's great and all, but then why do people say it's worth $50 if it really isn't?

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Hermits mainly use Steam from what I heard.

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Shewgenja

Well, that's great and all, but then why do people say it's worth $50 if it really isn't?

because they need some reason to justify paying for it when the only reason they do is because they cant play online otherwise

Steam is better and free.Messiahbolical-

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Hermits mainly use Steam from what I heard.

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Shewgenja

Well, that's great and all, but then why do people say it's worth $50 if it really isn't?

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Hermits mainly use Steam from what I heard.

/thread

Shewgenja

Well, that's great and all, but then why do people say it's worth $50 if it really isn't?

I disagree. I think Steam is appaling compared to Live. Too messt, ugly design etc. Live is the greatest online application of this generation -- and of all time -- thus the price. GirlDoer

the design isnt bad at all. its just minimal. it gets the job done. having good asthetics is hardly a reason to declare a service the best or make it worth the money sorry.

You don't need Live on an open platform like the PC. Remember that--consoles are closed platforms. And console makers won't open them up for security reasons.

HuusAsking

doesnt mean it should cost anything

i hate live its laggy like hell and MS banned my acc for nothing. Its only nice for PC games which seem to havent a chanceto get a community on the PC. The steam version of Lost Planet for example is completly dead while in the colonies edition you can every time play against xbox people.

STEAM is really awesome, I like the game library on it. It's kind of a shame that Valve will charge for mods on Live because it's such a closed platform. I tried Live with the free account I got with my copy of Fallout 3 (PC) and I could not for the life of me see what justifies an annual fee there..

It looks like the Hermits agree. I don't feel so "left out" now..

Just because Live exists on both doesn't automatically make it an apples to apples comparison. It definitely is not apples to apples.

There are conventions that have been engrained into PC gaming for the past 2 decades. Of course PC gamers wouldn't prefer Live. Considering the amount of competitors, there's no incentive to go with a low or no cost business model. It just makes more sense.

On the consoles, the 360 is a closed platform, so MS can pretty much set it's own expectations. Since MS owns the entire 360 platform, a fee-based model isn't unreasonable.

Just because Live exists on both doesn't automatically make it an apples to apples comparison. It definitely is not apples to apples.

There are conventions that have been engrained into PC gaming for the past 2 decades. Of course PC gamers wouldn't prefer Live. Considering the amount of competitors, there's no incentive to go with a low or no cost business model. It just makes more sense.

On the consoles, the 360 is a closed platform, so MS can pretty much set it's own expectations. Since MS owns the entire 360 platform, a fee-based model isn't unreasonable.

VoodooHak

But if PC gamers don't prefer it, why should any gamer? Gamer is gamer. PC Gamers can and do use controllers with their games, although KB/M is preferable on some types of games like FPS. So, why is online service different?

Just because Live exists on both doesn't automatically make it an apples to apples comparison. It definitely is not apples to apples.

There are conventions that have been engrained into PC gaming for the past 2 decades. Of course PC gamers wouldn't prefer Live. Considering the amount of competitors, there's no incentive to go with a low or no cost business model. It just makes more sense.

On the consoles, the 360 is a closed platform, so MS can pretty much set it's own expectations. Since MS owns the entire 360 platform, a fee-based model isn't unreasonable.

VoodooHak

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Just because Live exists on both doesn't automatically make it an apples to apples comparison. It definitely is not apples to apples.

There are conventions that have been engrained into PC gaming for the past 2 decades. Of course PC gamers wouldn't prefer Live. Considering the amount of competitors, there's no incentive to go with a low or no cost business model. It just makes more sense.

On the consoles, the 360 is a closed platform, so MS can pretty much set it's own expectations. Since MS owns the entire 360 platform, a fee-based model isn't unreasonable.

Shewgenja

But if PC gamers don't prefer it, why should any gamer? Gamer is gamer. PC Gamers can and do use controllers with their games, although KB/M is preferable on some types of games like FPS. So, why is online service different?

No. Every single person makes up their own mind. There is no universial truth to which platform is better let alone which online service is better. All we can really say is that which one we prefer. Our reasons will be our own.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Hermits mainly use Steam from what I heard.

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Shewgenja

Well, that's great and all, but then why do people say it's worth $50 if it really isn't?

Its not worth 50$, its just like anything. If you gotta pay for it, ur gonna try to justify paying for it so you dont seem like a complete idiot.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Just because Live exists on both doesn't automatically make it an apples to apples comparison. It definitely is not apples to apples.

There are conventions that have been engrained into PC gaming for the past 2 decades. Of course PC gamers wouldn't prefer Live. Considering the amount of competitors, there's no incentive to go with a low or no cost business model. It just makes more sense.

On the consoles, the 360 is a closed platform, so MS can pretty much set it's own expectations. Since MS owns the entire 360 platform, a fee-based model isn't unreasonable.

Brownesque

When did I say buying an Xbox 360 is unreasonable?

It doesn't really matter what PC gamers think of it...very few games actually use it.

For the record I like it when PC games have the full Live integration with achievements.

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Just because Live exists on both doesn't automatically make it an apples to apples comparison. It definitely is not apples to apples.

There are conventions that have been engrained into PC gaming for the past 2 decades. Of course PC gamers wouldn't prefer Live. Considering the amount of competitors, there's no incentive to go with a low or no cost business model. It just makes more sense.

On the consoles, the 360 is a closed platform, so MS can pretty much set it's own expectations. Since MS owns the entire 360 platform, a fee-based model isn't unreasonable.

VoodooHak

But if PC gamers don't prefer it, why should any gamer? Gamer is gamer. PC Gamers can and do use controllers with their games, although KB/M is preferable on some types of games like FPS. So, why is online service different?

No. Every single person makes up their own mind. There is no universial truth to which platform is better let alone which online service is better. All we can really say is that which one we prefer. Our reasons will be our own.

[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

Just because Live exists on both doesn't automatically make it an apples to apples comparison. It definitely is not apples to apples.

There are conventions that have been engrained into PC gaming for the past 2 decades. Of course PC gamers wouldn't prefer Live. Considering the amount of competitors, there's no incentive to go with a low or no cost business model. It just makes more sense.

On the consoles, the 360 is a closed platform, so MS can pretty much set it's own expectations. Since MS owns the entire 360 platform, a fee-based model isn't unreasonable.

VoodooHak

When did I say buying an Xbox 360 is unreasonable?

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

But if PC gamers don't prefer it, why should any gamer? Gamer is gamer. PC Gamers can and do use controllers with their games, although KB/M is preferable on some types of games like FPS. So, why is online service different?

Brownesque

No. Every single person makes up their own mind. There is no universial truth to which platform is better let alone which online service is better. All we can really say is that which one we prefer. Our reasons will be our own.

Let's define our terms here. By platform, I mean the hardware a given game can be played on. A platform provides the context in which an online service exists. Such is the case with Xbox Live which only on Xbox while the PC plays hosts several services to choose from.

If there was a hardware platform that provided an online service you describe, that may be great unless I didn't prefer the platform itself. Such is the case with me and PC. I really like the idea behind a service like Steam, but I don't prefer to play on PC. That in itself is a whole other discussion.

[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="Brownesque"] Oh, I see what you're saying. So paying for Xbox Live or expecting owners of the Xbox 360 to pay for Live isn't unreasonable. But buying an Xbox 360 is. Thanks for that.Brownesque

When did I say buying an Xbox 360 is unreasonable?

No, paying for Xbox Live specifically on PC would be unreasonable to the PC-playing audience since there are other services that are free on it. That's the expectation that's been built up over time.

The consoles are a very different story since they're closed systems. If Xbox Live were on PS3, I would pay for it. Heck, I would pay for PSN, but not as much.

If Xbox opened itself up for other services to provide online play, the business ecosystem would be closer to the PC. Its fee would have to be competitive with whatever those other services offered.

In neither case is it unreasonble to buy an Xbox 360.

Several reasons.

A. Live on PC is NOTHING like live on Xbox.

b. It's only supported by a few games.

d. It used to cost money, the PC has free alternatives.

d. It complicates gaming and is associated with many gaming errors and crashes.

Umm, because PC users get Steam?

[QUOTE="Brownesque"][QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

When did I say buying an Xbox 360 is unreasonable?

VoodooHak

No, paying for Xbox Live specifically on PC would be unreasonable to the PC-playing audience since there are other services that are free on it. That's the expectation that's been built up over time.

The consoles are a very different story since they're closed systems. If Xbox Live were on PS3, I would pay for it. Heck, I would pay for PSN, but not as much.

If Xbox opened itself up for other services to provide online play, the business ecosystem would be closer to the PC. Its fee would have to be competitive with whatever those other services offered.

In neither case is it unreasonble to buy an Xbox 360.

Pretty much. Maybe next gen we'll get an open online system. Well, if that happens, consoles are pretty much just PCs then.

50$ is pocket change for anyone who has a job.

Stringerboy

[QUOTE="GirlDoer"] I disagree. I think Steam is appaling compared to Live. Too messt, ugly design etc. Live is the greatest online application of this generation -- and of all time -- thus the price. washd123

the design isnt bad at all. its just minimal. it gets the job done. having good asthetics is hardly a reason to declare a service the best or make it worth the money sorry.

Steam>Live

[QUOTE="bri360"]

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

Well, that's great and all, but then why do people say it's worth $50 if it really isn't?

Stringerboy

Its not worth 50$, its just like anything. If you gotta pay for it, ur gonna try to justify paying for it so you dont seem like a complete idiot.

50$ is pocket change for anyone who has a job.

[QUOTE="Stringerboy"]

50$ is pocket change for anyone who has a job.

kulmiye

Live is great for consoles, it's just that there are better alternatives for PC. And to answer your question, yes the main reason to get XBL gold is to play games online, otherwise I doubt anyone would have it. But it's a closed system so it's not like there's a choice.

Finally, just because XBL gold cost money doesn't mean that all free alternatives are better.

[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"]Steam is better and free.GirlDoer

the only reason why we pay $50 for Gold is because its the only way to play MP on our xbox360's

If online play was on silver, im sure no one will subscribe for gold.

the only reason why we pay $50 for Gold is because its the only way to play MP on our xbox360's

If online was only on silver, im sure no one will subscribe for gold.

def_mode

Steam:

Advantages: Free, Better community(not a bunch of 13 year olds), 40x More games, No dumb requirements to use it, Fast Downloads, Computer players are priority. Nuff said.

Disadvantages: Not as pretty as live

Live:

Advantages: You can talk to friends on xbox live...?

Disadvantages: You have to pay for gold, Annoying 13 year olds who think halo is "tha best", You have to be signed in to play alot of the games, No user freedom, Nothing benefits you,

Because Windows Live on the pc is jsust a small piece of crap that lets you download a few things and that's it. It's nothing at all like XBL aside from the old one's color scheme.

And for those guys who love to say steam is better I lol. Steam is a download service with a friends list. That's it.

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Hermits mainly use Steam from what I heard.

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washd123

Well, that's great and all, but then why do people say it's worth $50 if it really isn't?

because they need some reason to justify paying for it when the only reason they do is because they cant play online otherwise

the only reason why we pay $50 for Gold is because its the only way to play MP on our xbox360's

If online was only on silver, im sure no one will subscribe for gold.

def_mode

[QUOTE="def_mode"]

the only reason why we pay $50 for Gold is because its the only way to play MP on our xbox360's

If online was only on silver, im sure no one will subscribe for gold.

Nedemis