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#51 wayne_kar
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[QUOTE="GirlDoer"][QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"]Steam is better and free.def_mode
I disagree. I think Steam is appaling compared to Live. Too messt, ugly design etc. Live is the greatest online application of this generation -- and of all time -- thus the price.

NO! Steam does it 10x better for free.

but it doesnt do it 10x better
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#52 wayne_kar
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Steam:

Advantages: Free, Better community(not a bunch of 13 year olds), 40x More games, No dumb requirements to use it, Fast Downloads, Computer players are priority. Nuff said.

Disadvantages: Not as pretty as live

Live:

Advantages: You can talk to friends on xbox live...?

Disadvantages: You have to pay for gold, Annoying 13 year olds who think halo is "tha best", You have to be signed in to play alot of the games, No user freedom, Nothing benefits you,

edinsftw
your advantages for steam are a little vague. what does computer players are priorty mean
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#54 def_mode
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[QUOTE="def_mode"][QUOTE="GirlDoer"] I disagree. I think Steam is appaling compared to Live. Too messt, ugly design etc. Live is the greatest online application of this generation -- and of all time -- thus the price. wayne_kar
NO! Steam does it 10x better for free.

but it doesnt do it 10x better

Steam is better.

-Friends, messaging, voice chat system

-Community groups

-Download demos

-Sells games for way cheaper. Sometimes in packages.

-They have weekend deals. eg. TF2 weekend (everyone can play TF2 for free over the weekends)

-Skins

-Media

-Lists what the update is for and which games are affected of this update

-News section

-Store -Videos/Trailers

-Achievements

-Give gifts to friends (as in games)

-Browse the web during in-game

-You can upload your own gamer picture.

-Server lists, you can save them on favourites, history

Everything for no charge.

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#55 wayne_kar
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[QUOTE="wayne_kar"][QUOTE="def_mode"] NO! Steam does it 10x better for free.def_mode

but it doesnt do it 10x better

Steam is better.

-Friends, messaging, voice chat system

-Community groups

-Download demos

-Sells games for way cheaper. Sometimes in packages.

-They have weekend deals. eg. TF2 weekend (everyone can play TF2 for free over the weekends)

-Skins

-Media

-Lists what the update is for and which games are affected of this update

-News section

-Store -Videos/Trailers

-Achievements

-Give gifts to friends (as in games)

-Browse the web during in-game

-You can upload your own gamer picture.

-Server lists, you can save them on favourites, history

Everything for no charge.

but its not 10x better though is it. live does 90% of all you listed. you just have to pay for it. ive use steam almost everyday so i well aware of the feature they both offer

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#56 def_mode
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^^^ alright alright, ill re-word it.

Steam does way more and 95% of XBL Gold and its free.

Which makes it WAY better.

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#57 8Tango
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If live is so great why do my feet still smell of tobbaco and hooker spit?

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#58 wayne_kar
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^^^ alright alright, ill re-word it.

Steam does way more and 95% of XBL Gold and its free.

Which makes it WAY better.

def_mode
its not WAY better. by your own maths its only 5% better. thats not WAY better is it
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#59 def_mode
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[QUOTE="def_mode"]

^^^ alright alright, ill re-word it.

Steam does way more and 95% of XBL Gold and its free.

Which makes it WAY better.

wayne_kar

its not WAY better. by your own maths its only 5% better. thats not WAY better is it

Do you have Steam? Have you used it? Because I dont know how you can argue with me about this. Steam DOES 95% of what XBL Gold can do, that 5% percent being the 8 player cross game chat which Steam currently does not have but TS and Ventrillo are there for it.

I said Steam is way better because they offer more such as free full game trials over the weekend (UT3 this weekend), Server lists, Favourite, News section. You are able to see what achievements your friends just got. Sells cheaper games, sometimes in bundles etc.

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#60 def_mode
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For additional information:

http://store.steampowered.com/about/

http://www.steampowered.com/steamtour/?l=english

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#61 CDUB316
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

Hermits mainly use Steam from what I heard.

/thread

Shewgenja

Well, that's great and all, but then why do people say it's worth $50 if it really isn't?

umm..maybe because those people who say that AREN'T hermits and maybe they're lemmings who idk....PLAY ON AN XBOX 360!!!

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#62 mgkennedy5
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Steam is just so good, I and other PC users shouldn't have to pay for live ( I don't know if it costs on PC), but steam is really good I only use that
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#63 wayne_kar
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[QUOTE="wayne_kar"][QUOTE="def_mode"]

^^^ alright alright, ill re-word it.

Steam does way more and 95% of XBL Gold and its free.

Which makes it WAY better.

def_mode

its not WAY better. by your own maths its only 5% better. thats not WAY better is it

Do you have Steam? Have you used it? Because I dont know how you can argue with me about this. Steam DOES 95% of what XBL Gold can do, that 5% percent being the 8 player cross game chat which Steam currently does not have but TS and Ventrillo are there for it.

I said Steam is way better because they offer more such as free full game trials over the weekend (UT3 this weekend), Server lists, Favourite, News section. You are able to see what achievements your friends just got. Sells cheaper games, sometimes in bundles etc.

yep. i use steam nearly everyday. for L4D and Civ4 (which uses gamespy but launches through steam). i also use live just as much i tbh i prefer using live. i like how i hear my friends in my headset and my game audio through my speakers and that all my friends are on the same friends list. on the PC some of my friends dont like steam and use xfire. i like how live is unified.
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#64 def_mode
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[QUOTE="def_mode"]

[QUOTE="wayne_kar"] its not WAY better. by your own maths its only 5% better. thats not WAY better is it wayne_kar

Do you have Steam? Have you used it? Because I dont know how you can argue with me about this. Steam DOES 95% of what XBL Gold can do, that 5% percent being the 8 player cross game chat which Steam currently does not have but TS and Ventrillo are there for it.

I said Steam is way better because they offer more such as free full game trials over the weekend (UT3 this weekend), Server lists, Favourite, News section. You are able to see what achievements your friends just got. Sells cheaper games, sometimes in bundles etc.

yes live is unified, and also the only service for xbox360 and thats why you have no choice but to pay. yep. i use steam nearly everyday. for L4D and Civ4 (which uses gamespy but launches through steam). i also use live just as much i tbh i prefer using live. i like how i hear my friends in my headset and my game audio through my speakers and that all my friends are on the same friends list. on the PC some of my friends dont like steam and use xfire. i like how live is unified.

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#65 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="Brownesque"]Hermits hate Live. It's a closed network with a subscription fee and a crappy networking type. What, praytell, is to like about it? All the social networking features of Live can be found in Steam, which has a bigger user base and broader support than Windows Live (perhaps even a bigger user base than Xbox Live), or you could just use Ventrillo or XFire. The point is it does nothing better than any other piece of third-party software on the PC and yet it does a whole lot of things worse and takes things away from us.

The thing is, what if you're a Steam user and your friend is an Xfire user? There's no compelling unifying experience on the PC, and apparently PC gamers prefer it that way.
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#66 HuusAsking
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[QUOTE="VoodooHak"]

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

But if PC gamers don't prefer it, why should any gamer? Gamer is gamer. PC Gamers can and do use controllers with their games, although KB/M is preferable on some types of games like FPS. So, why is online service different?

Brownesque

No. Every single person makes up their own mind. There is no universial truth to which platform is better let alone which online service is better. All we can really say is that which one we prefer. Our reasons will be our own.

So if I had a platform that had the feature set of every online gaming service on the market, but a clean and navigable UI, extremely good performance and network code, free content all over the place, the broadest catalog of online items in the galaxy, support for custom content of all kinds, and extremely effective anti-cheat measures.... This platform would not be better than any other?

No, because it doesn't support every game and is guaranteed effective out-of-the-box.
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#67 Brownesque
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ha ha...all right? So what if this hypothetical network supported every game in existence? Would it still not be better than any other service?
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#68 Brownesque
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[QUOTE="Brownesque"]Hermits hate Live. It's a closed network with a subscription fee and a crappy networking type. What, praytell, is to like about it? All the social networking features of Live can be found in Steam, which has a bigger user base and broader support than Windows Live (perhaps even a bigger user base than Xbox Live), or you could just use Ventrillo or XFire. The point is it does nothing better than any other piece of third-party software on the PC and yet it does a whole lot of things worse and takes things away from us.HuusAsking
The thing is, what if you're a Steam user and your friend is an Xfire user? There's no compelling unifying experience on the PC, and apparently PC gamers prefer it that way.

You download Xfire for free and run it in the background. I know what you're thinking: "whoa whoa whoa, you mean I have to click two whole buttons to get this contraption to work?" It's a veritable jungle on the PC market, what with downloading all this free software.
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#69 imprezawrx500
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[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"]Steam is better and free.GirlDoer
I disagree. I think Steam is appaling compared to Live. Too messt, ugly design etc. Live is the greatest online application of this generation -- and of all time -- thus the price.

live has the terrible overdone ms design that is in everything ms make, lots of flash which has no point. steam just works and looks fine and make it much easier to do multiple things at once. try and have a server list and friends list open at the same time on live.
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#70 Wanderer5
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Well I use Games for Windows Live (because of Batman), and it doesn't seem to be bad, but there not much at the moment, and Steam is much better. I probably won't use Live much anyway.

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#71 Dystopian-X
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Have any of these hermits actually used Live on PC? Because it's not that bad at all. It's free and just runs on the BG, you don't even need to be logged in to play.
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#72 linkin_guy109
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[QUOTE="Messiahbolical-"]Steam is better and free.GirlDoer
I disagree. I think Steam is appaling compared to Live. Too messt, ugly design etc. Live is the greatest online application of this generation -- and of all time -- thus the price.

i disagree. i think steam is appaling compared to live. too inconsistent, random problems from time to time, creating a monopolization of online services for consoles, etc. steam is the greatest online application of this generation -- and of all time -- and is made better by its price point
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#73 AIH_PSP
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Why the hell would PC gamers use Live when they can use Steam or xFire?