If Mario was replaced by Crash Bandicoot in SMG2 for PS3 what would it get rated

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#51 Half-Way
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It would have gotten 7.5-8. Mario fans don't like to admit it but the truth is having the Mario name and having Mario as the main character greatly enhances the score a game gets.Rockman999

ya and new super mario bors. scoring its 10 proves your unbaised opinion :D

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#52 Fightingfan
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I'm confused by you guys. You say SMG1 is similar to SMG2? Do you guys know what a sequel is?
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#53 edo-tensei
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Uh? Crash has nothing on mario lol.

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#55 Half-Way
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[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="Rockman999"]It would have gotten 7.5-8. Mario fans don't like to admit it but the truth is having the Mario name and having Mario as the main character greatly enhances the score a game gets.Mario1331

ya and new super mario bors. scoring its 10 proves your unbaised opinion :D

dont even bother replying back i think he post, bash, then leaves in every thread hes in except if it involves the ps3.

damn, il have to PM him now :x

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#57 Half-Way
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[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

dont even bother replying back i think he post, bash, then leaves in every thread hes in except if it involves the ps3.

Mario1331

damn, il have to PM him now :x

he probably still wont even answer that.

well thats a good thing

i would rather have no answer then "lolz teh kiddey"

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not that i would bother with a pm lol

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#58 Mario1331
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[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

damn, il have to PM him now :x

Half-Way

he probably still wont even answer that.

well thats a good thing

i would rather have no answer then "lolz teh kiddey"

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not that i would bother with a pm lol

lol thats very true, hmm u never know maybe he will

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#59 burgeg
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="Mario1331"]

lol whats wrong with this guy?

SMG2 is a amazing game blame the developers not the characters because Nintendo EAD are brilliant devs.

crash made halfass games ever since i think there was one crash that got over a 9 but anyway its the devs not the character not every mario game gets an 8

Mario1331

Crash Bandicoot 3 was a hell of a great game and so was 2. Halfass is incorrect.

thats 2 out of how many?:)

There's only been 2 bad Crash games. Those were the last two. Crash of the titans and mind over mutant. The first 3 were amazing, CTR was amazing and to this day it's still by far the best kart racing game of all time. Wrath of Cortex would have been great if it weren't for the awful load times. Twinsanity was a great game and imo very underrated.

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#60 ArchoNils2
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I'm pretty sure it would have scored lower if it wasn't Mario. Actually everything including Mario gets higher scores than deserved. That said, I just made it past the level where you first get Yoshi and didn't bother playing it anymore after that ... it's just not that special oO Some stupid jumps between platforms doesn't make a game epic oO

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#61 bobcheeseball
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I'm pretty sure it would have scored lower if it wasn't Mario. Actually everything including Mario gets higher scores than deserved. That said, I just made it past the level where you first get Yoshi and didn't bother playing it anymore after that ... it's just not that special oO Some stupid jumps between platforms doesn't make a game epic oO

ArchoNils2
....So I'm guessing you don't like platformers then
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#62 surrealnumber5
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people come on now, the fact mario is in the game means it gets judged harder not easier as it has to live up to the pedigree.
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#63 magiciandude
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OMG, why is it so hard for some people to get why the original game got a 9.5? Read the last part of the review where it says:

When all is said and done, the thing that really makes Super Mario Galaxy such a standout game isn't the fact that it's another Mario game, but the fact that it doesn't evenneedto be a Mario game to be successful. Sure, it's got all the nostalgic flavor Mario fans would want, with the updated soundtrack, familiar foes, and various other Mario-related bric-a-brac scattered throughout the adventure, but the game never leans on these nostalgic aspects as a crutch. It instead puts the whole of its focus on its gameplay design, and with good reason. You could probably swap in just about any other characters from practically any other franchise, and this would still be a phenomenally fun game. That it layers all these memorable characters and components on top of that phenomenal design just makes it all the sweeter. If ever there were a must-own Wii game, Super Mario Galaxy is it.

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#64 Rockman999
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[QUOTE="Rockman999"]It would have gotten 7.5-8. Mario fans don't like to admit it but the truth is having the Mario name and having Mario as the main character greatly enhances the score a game gets.Half-Way

ya and new super mario bors. scoring its 10 proves your unbaised opinion :D

Yeah and your post proves that you didn't read my post, I said it greatly enhances the score not that it it automatically gives the game a 10. Reading comprehension ftw! ;) Oh and I'm not even going to comment on that little conversation you and that other user had other than to say girls will be girls. :lol:
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#65 Nintendo_Ownes7
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[QUOTE="Half-Way"]

[QUOTE="Rockman999"]It would have gotten 7.5-8. Mario fans don't like to admit it but the truth is having the Mario name and having Mario as the main character greatly enhances the score a game gets.Rockman999

ya and new super mario bors. scoring its 10 proves your unbaised opinion :D

Yeah and your post proves that you didn't read my post, I said it greatly enhances the score not that it it automatically gives the game a 10. Reading comprehension ftw! ;) Oh and I'm not even going to comment on that little conversation you and that other user had other than to say girls will be girls. :lol:

Actually I think it being a Mario game actually makes them review it harsher then they would if it was another game because Mario games have a long history of being great.

If Super Mario Sunshine was a different series that would've been AAA but because it was Mario it was scored AA. It was a great game it just didn't live up to Super Mario 64.

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#67 super600  Moderator
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Did you play SMG or SMG 2 at all TC ? Where's that Paper Mario pic when we need it?

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#68 goblaa
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OMG, why is it so hard for some people to get why the original game got a 9.5? Read the last part of the review where it says:

[QUOTE="GameSpot"]

When all is said and done, the thing that really makes Super Mario Galaxy such a standout game isn't the fact that it's another Mario game, but the fact that it doesn't evenneedto be a Mario game to be successful. Sure, it's got all the nostalgic flavor Mario fans would want, with the updated soundtrack, familiar foes, and various other Mario-related bric-a-brac scattered throughout the adventure, but the game never leans on these nostalgic aspects as a crutch. It instead puts the whole of its focus on its gameplay design, and with good reason. You could probably swap in just about any other characters from practically any other franchise, and this would still be a phenomenally fun game. That it layers all these memorable characters and components on top of that phenomenal design just makes it all the sweeter. If ever there were a must-own Wii game, Super Mario Galaxy is it.

magiciandude

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You could post this 1000times in 1000 SMG hate threads and no one will notice that GS has already adressed this...2 years ago.

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#69 super600  Moderator
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They don't realize that because their trying to build their hatred on a Wii game that got 100% from more than 50% of the reviewers and how they believe no Wii games should ever get perfect scores.

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#70 thom_maytees
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Did you play SMG or SMG 2 at all TC ? Where's that Paper Mario pic when we need it?

super600

Here is the pic:

I cannot believe that picture from a game that mocked fanboyism back can be so truthful.

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#71 Rockman999
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[QUOTE="Rockman999"][QUOTE="Half-Way"]

ya and new super mario bors. scoring its 10 proves your unbaised opinion :D

Nintendo_Ownes7

Yeah and your post proves that you didn't read my post, I said it greatly enhances the score not that it it automatically gives the game a 10. Reading comprehension ftw! ;) Oh and I'm not even going to comment on that little conversation you and that other user had other than to say girls will be girls. :lol:

Actually I think it being a Mario game actually makes them review it harsher then they would if it was another game because Mario games have a long history of being great.

If Super Mario Sunshine was a different series that would've been AAA but because it was Mario it was scored AA. It was a great game it just didn't live up to Super Mario 64.

That's one theory but if that was the case don't you think MGS4, GTA4 and MW2 would have scored lower than they did, especially MW2?
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#72 erglesmergle
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Its all the Jersey Shore madness that brought up this Italian craze.

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#73 super600  Moderator
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[QUOTE="super600"]

Did you play SMG or SMG 2 at all TC ? Where's that Paper Mario pic when we need it?

thom_maytees

Here is the pic:

I cannot believe that picture from a game that mocked fanboyism back can be so truthful.

I wish I saw that when I rented the game.

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#74 deactivated-5d25ae64ef918
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The answer is yes.
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#75 super600  Moderator
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I wonder if the TC wants to reply to us? From what's happening right now with the crazy amount of nintendo criticizing topics being created I seriously don't want SMG2 to win GOTY even though I gave it a perfect score because hundreds of nintendo topics will be created criticizing them and this game. In my mind I want SMG2 to win GOTY,but the damage control will be great.

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#76 timmy00
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Will you just stop? Not every Mario game gets a AAA score, if you have any doubts about that go check out the reviews for Super Mario Sunshine and New Super Brothers Wii.

For the last time, it got its score because of the quality gameplay, not the name on the box. Maybe if Crash starred in a half-way decent game that wasen't from the PS1 era maybe you could see his series get AAA scores.

But to answer you question, you could plug Alex Kidd, Master Higgins, or Bonk into SMG2 and it would still earn a 10. Mario being in the game does not earn the game an automatic 10.

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I demand a Super Master Higgins galaxy 2! I would totally get that game. :P

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#77 _zeldredz_
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exactly my point NOBODY likes the character so it will never get a 10 no matter how good the game is but everyone likes mario so its possible for him to get 10's if his game is good

does nobody see a flaw in this system

i even think crash bandicoot sux the point is he shouldn't be judged by his character it should be gameplay an stuff

ZarbonX

there is no flaw in what you just said.

if the MAIN character is terrible and people hate it, that detracts from the whole game, so the game loses points. And doesn't get a 10.

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#78 LegatoSkyheart
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As long as it's not like Mind over Mutant or the other latest Crash Games.

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#79 goblaa
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Hell, it could be Super Mario Galaxy 2 + Cats and it would still be a 10.

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#80 oldkingallant
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exactly my point NOBODY likes the character so it will never get a 10 no matter how good the game is but everyone likes mario so its possible for him to get 10's if his game is good

does nobody see a flaw in this system

i even think crash bandicoot sux the point is he shouldn't be judged by his character it should be gameplay an stuff

ZarbonX
As it is. The gameplay in SMG2 is fantastic. Yes if these characters were in a game as good as SMG2 it would have a good shot at getting a 10. The issue none of those characters have featured in a game as good, so they haven't gotten 10s. What's with the fad of people saying SMG2's perfect score is all nostalgia today? Not every Mario games gets a AAAA score, hell they don't even all get AAA. NSMBW got an 8.5 last year and got beaten by Ratchet and Clank Future a Crack In Time for Best Platformer here on GS. And that's 2-D Mario, shouldn't that be MORE nostalgic than the one that's more evolved? But I guess for you nostalgia only counts when the argument supports you, all other instances which go completely against you temporarily cease to exist. By the way before you say Gamespot did review NSMBW with nostalgia but it was bad, NSMBW got a higher average score than 8.5, Gamespot rated it lowly.
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#81 oldkingallant
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[QUOTE="ZarbonX"]

exactly my point NOBODY likes the character so it will never get a 10 no matter how good the game is but everyone likes mario so its possible for him to get 10's if his game is good

does nobody see a flaw in this system

i even think crash bandicoot sux the point is he shouldn't be judged by his character it should be gameplay an stuff

_zeldredz_

there is no flaw in what you just said.

if the MAIN character is terrible and people hate it, that detracts from the whole game, so the game loses points. And doesn't get a 10.

Yeah, characters are part of a game too. Mario is a fun character and the whole Mario universe, enemies, items, and all, are excellent, so they improve the game. A better question is asking if no Mario games had ever existed prior to SMG2, would it have gotten a 10. The answer to that is, yes, probably. Gamespot themselves even said straight out you could replace Mario with any character and it would still be fantastic. I could just as easily say "If I replaced Solid Snake with Sam Fisher would MGS4 have gotten a 10?". This is a two way battle.
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#83 oldkingallant
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[QUOTE="Nintendo_Ownes7"]

[QUOTE="Rockman999"]Yeah and your post proves that you didn't read my post, I said it greatly enhances the score not that it it automatically gives the game a 10. Reading comprehension ftw! ;) Oh and I'm not even going to comment on that little conversation you and that other user had other than to say girls will be girls. :lol:Rockman999

Actually I think it being a Mario game actually makes them review it harsher then they would if it was another game because Mario games have a long history of being great.

If Super Mario Sunshine was a different series that would've been AAA but because it was Mario it was scored AA. It was a great game it just didn't live up to Super Mario 64.

That's one theory but if that was the case don't you think MGS4, GTA4 and MW2 would have scored lower than they did, especially MW2?

What's with these "theories"? SMG2 was not scored higher or lower than it should've been, it is a fantastic game and was scored appropriately. Just like every other game.
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#84 oldkingallant
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One more thing about this idea of getting a free ride off a famous character. Check Sonic the Hedgehog. Know who he is? Was Mario's RIVAL back in the day. That's right, he RIVALED Mario, that's really impressive. Millions upon millions of fans worldwide, had a ton of classic games. Check the score for Sonic Unleashed, I'll give you a few seconds..................... check it? You may have noticed it has a 3.5 on the PS3 and 360 versions (7.0 for Wii because the VERY much improved controls made the game actually playable). Why doesn't a Sonic game get a free ride? There's a good bit of Sonic nostalgia I'm sure. But it got THRASHED. How does this happen? Is it maybe because Sonic Unleashed is a bad game, and SMG2 is a great one, so they get the scores they earn?

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#85 Rockman999
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[QUOTE="Rockman999"][QUOTE="Half-Way"]

ya and new super mario bors. scoring its 10 proves your unbaised opinion :D

oldkingallant
Yeah and your post proves that you didn't read my post, I said it greatly enhances the score not that it it automatically gives the game a 10. Reading comprehension ftw! ;) Oh and I'm not even going to comment on that little conversation you and that other user had other than to say girls will be girls. :lol:

So what would NSMBW get? A 6? You're being very ignorant. It's obvious you've never played SMG2. Stop trying to pass opinions on things you haven't even experienced as fact :roll:. Looks like MGS4 is one of your favorite games. Are you also saying MGS4 would only get a 7.5 or 8 if it wasn't for Snake as well? Answer no, and you're contradicting yourself, answer yes and you degrade one of your favorite games.

You're being ignorant yourself. You don't know me so how the hell can you say what I have or have not experience? For your information, no, I didn't play SMG2. I didn't need to, I already played a good amount of the first one and watched friends play the second one a few times, it's the same garbage and having yoshi in it didn't change anything. Well of course MGS4 would have never scored a 10/10 if it didn't have the MGS4 name. Yes MGS4 is one of my favorite games but see that the thing, unlike you and the rest of the Mario defense brigade here, I don't let my love for a game blind me from it's flaws and criticism against it.
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#86 Mario1331
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[QUOTE="oldkingallant"][QUOTE="Rockman999"]Yeah and your post proves that you didn't read my post, I said it greatly enhances the score not that it it automatically gives the game a 10. Reading comprehension ftw! ;) Oh and I'm not even going to comment on that little conversation you and that other user had other than to say girls will be girls. :lol:Rockman999
So what would NSMBW get? A 6? You're being very ignorant. It's obvious you've never played SMG2. Stop trying to pass opinions on things you haven't even experienced as fact :roll:. Looks like MGS4 is one of your favorite games. Are you also saying MGS4 would only get a 7.5 or 8 if it wasn't for Snake as well? Answer no, and you're contradicting yourself, answer yes and you degrade one of your favorite games.

You're being ignorant yourself. You don't know me so how the hell can you say what I have or have not experience? For your information, no, I didn't play SMG2. I didn't need to, I already played a good amount of the first one and watched friends play the second one a few times, it's the same garbage and having yoshi in it didn't change anything. Well of course MGS4 would have never scored a 10/10 if it didn't have the MGS4 name. Yes MGS4 is one of my favorite games but see that the thing, unlike you and the rest of the Mario defense brigade here, I don't let my love for a game blind me from it's flaws and criticism against it.

wow this belongs in a sig

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#87 locopatho
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From Mario Galaxy 1's review: "You could probably swap in just about any other characters from practically any other franchise, and this would still be a phenomenally fun game."