If marketed right, could NX outpace PS4/Xbox One?

Not exactly setting your standards high, but of course.

Nintendo has had massive successful systems like Wii and ds but it hasn't been doing that lately so I really don't know.

You mean, could it be a primary system for gamers, and different enough from a XB1/PS4 to make people hardly interested in Nintendo games invest in the NX? Anything is possible and I wish them the best. I don't think that's a likely scenario.

If it convinces 3DS owners to buy an NX, and if the third party support is somehow as convincing as PS4/XB1 third party support, and if the specs are a bit better than a PS4, then maybe? But how big a percentage of PS4/XB1 owners realize that the PS5/XB2 is very far away? And how many would move away from PS4/XB1 if third party games are still showing up on those systems, and their friends still play those systems?

Their main customers will likely be the PC gamers. With good support potentially the new gamers.

First, Nintendo's going to have to man the **** up and rid themselves of this "we're poor at competing" mentality. With Iwata out of the CEO's chair, that may finally be a possibility, but we'll have to see. I haven't seen any action that would speak to the opposite sentiment.

Third parties are gone, btw. I hold out about *zero* hope for Nintendo to penetrate any market past their own niche the way they are conducting their business. There's a lot of shit to fix, and not much time to do so. They are in a precarious position of their own making. I wish them luck.

Not likely to outdo PS4 and XB1. Let's see what kind of gimmick they bring out first. They really need to step up their first party games. Their game quality has been going downhill since the first Wii came out. GameCube was Nintendo's last good system in terms of games. Sure, fanboys will argue that Smash and Mario Kart are good games, but they are the same shit. I want some new IPs and more of a focus on the big games like true Mario platformers and Zelda.

Hit up that Splatoon mate, its epic. Its the greatest new IP from this gen.

I tried it and it is fun, but not a game that will keep me interested for long.

@BassMan: Get down on some Xenoblade Chronicles X then, can drop bout 100-400 hours in it.

Lol, not my type of game at all. I don't like JRPGs. I much prefer something like The Witcher 3.

@BassMan: Then just rock out that Bayonetta 2. Get that action gaming on.

Too over-the-top Japanese for my liking. I generally don't like Japanese culture stuff. There are some odd games that I take to like Katamari Damacy, but they are few and far between. That is why I don't have a Wii U, there aren't many games that interest me. I do like Japanese games, but the ones that are geared towards western audiences like Mario, Zelda, Metroid, MGS, Ninja Gaiden, Castlevania, ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, etc.

@BassMan: Yeah, makes sense then, hopefully Zelda Wii U can please you, but yeah, if i had your taste i would just focus on PC gaming. Its were i get my fix for a bunch of cool games. And my 3DS of course, but its very universally catered too also. Does have some Zelda games though.

@mesome713: I am looking forward to the new Zelda for sure. Hopefully they have it as an NX launch title as well. It will give me incentive to buy a Nintendo system again. I really don't want to buy a Wii U. hehe :)

@BassMan: Its understandable actually, hopefully NX will be able to get some of them big type games that cater to others type games. Wii U is missing a bunch and its not for everyone. Im wanting NX to try and grab the big western developers also. Will give us bigger fan bases and also help the sales of other games i enjoy.

....and this is the whole problem I expend my breath trying to make Nintendo fans understand, to no avail. They are far too Japanese focused.

For establishing a new hardware platform(living room/desktop form factor), one of the main problems with Wii U is its near lack of graphics power jump from existing Xbox 360 and PS3 i.e. not enough enticement to cause a migration jump towards Wii U hardware platform.

Exclusives Nintendo Wii U games wasn't enticing enough to cause a mass scale migration jump towards Wii U hardware platform.

The risk for NX hardware platform is the insufficient enticement factors from existing PS4 hardware platform.

How are Super Smash, Mario Kart, Splatoon, Donkey Kong, Pikmin 3, Kirby Rainbow Cursed, Captain Toad, Yoshi Woolly World, and Super Mario Maker too Japanese focused?

You wont find a more diverse and multicultural developer then Nintendo mate.

If PS4 approach was applied for year 2016 14 nm/ 16 nm process tech era AMD semi-custom IP, the cost factors would be similar to PS4 when it was first released.

By 2016, GoFlo's 14 nm process tech would be second-hand/second-tier technology from Samsung's 14 nm process tech i.e. Samsung plans to move towards 10 nm process tech in year 2016.

Radeon HD R9-390X(44 CU)'s 438 mm^2 at 16 nm TSMC would be around 250 mm^2.

Radeon HD R9-390X(44 CU)'s 438 mm^2 at 14 nm GoFlo would be around 219 mm^2.

Remember, PS4's GPU(18 CU) is around 212 mm^2 in area size with TSMC's 28 nm process technology.

PS4's APU chip area size is 348 mm^2. XBO's APU chip area size is 365 mm^2.

No, Nintendo will never become the console leader again. Hardcore gamers are happy with their PS4/XB1/PC and Casuals are happy with their Smart Devices. Nintendo will only continue to cater to the dwindling Nintendo fan base.

It depends if the hardware jump is sufficient enough to entice mass migration toward NX

For example

IF Radeon E8950 at 95 watts with 32 CU, 850Mhz and 14nm / 16 nm has 2X pref/watt(as claimed by AMD), the resulting GPU would be about 64 CU.

64 CU at 850 Mhz would yield ~7 TFLOPS.

44 CU at 850 Mhz would yield ~4.8 TFLOPS. Could afford increase in clock speed.

In terms of raw shader FLOPS, XBO is about 5.5X over X360.

64 CU config would be close to 5.5X jump from XBO hence similar generation jump from X360 to XBO.

If the tessellation power is increased to 8 triangles per cycle would be better.

@ronvalencia: A down clocked r9 fury nano would be possible as far as heat and efficiency are concerned, but price wise I highly doubt it. There's no chance this console is going to be more than $400, I think it will be less than that. But the other thing is, does Nintendo really want to put out a 100+ watts console? What would that 7 TF gpu and a laptop cpu pull at 14/16nm, probably at least Xbox one levels right? Nintendo has been obsessed with efficiency in the past, though NX will definitely pull more than Wii U, at least.

Personally i'm expecting anything from 2.8 - 5 teraflops, 6 and up is highly unlikely.

Both TDP and chip size has be factored in.

R9-Fury Nao's 596 mm^2 with 14 nm would be around 298 mm^2, which is too large for PS4's Radeon HD 78x0 level chip area size, but similar to XBO's 32MB ESRAM + IGP chip area size.

I agree with you with 2.8 to 5 TFLOPS GPU.

If marketed right, the unknowing consumer will purchase almost anything.

As awesome as that would be its not going to happen. This is Nintendo after all. They've already said that horsepower doesn't matter to them anymore.

I know just look at Apple :P

Dude, you are the most delusional fanboy ever. The Wii U was a huge flop. It did not make Nintendo as much money as you think.

I hear you talking, but all i see is Wii U printing money.

Its printing so much money, yet Nintendo is ready to replace it next year with the NX.

@emgesp: Cause we gots to make more money. We making so much now that its time to go to war. Wii U will be printing money all the way to NX. Then NX will start to print mad money.

How are The Last of Us, Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Madden, Gears of War, Halo, Grand Theft Auto, Batman, and God of War too Western focused?

Do you see a common theme here? They're all extremely bright, colorful, and Japanese in taste. Yes, they can be played and enjoyed by all cultures, but that's different than developing games that are specifically targeted at various cultures. If they were truly multi-cultural, we'd be seeing some of the titles I mentioned in their line-up. As for diversity, you listed 1 fighter, 1 racer, 1 RTS, 1 shooter, and 5 platformers. I can agree somewhat here, it's not a bad variety considering it comes all from one developer. But Nintendo being literally the ONLY developer, why do they need 5 platformers?? Where are the sports? Where are the cinematic games? Sci-fi? Realistic shooters? Games like Journey? Both the aesthetic and the types of games they make are hugely Japanese.

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@mesome713 said:

@MirkoS77 said:

@BassMan said:

Too over-the-top Japanese for my liking. I generally don't like Japanese culture stuff. There are some odd games that I take to like Katamari Damacy, but they are few and far between. That is why I don't have a Wii U, there aren't many games that interest me. I do like Japanese games, but the ones that are geared towards western audiences like Mario, Zelda, Metroid, MGS, Ninja Gaiden, Castlevania, ICO, Shadow of the Colossus, etc.

....and this is the whole problem I expend my breath trying to make Nintendo fans understand, to no avail. They are far too Japanese focused.

How are Super Smash, Mario Kart, Splatoon, Donkey Kong, Pikmin 3, Kirby Rainbow Cursed, Captain Toad, Yoshi Woolly World, and Super Mario Maker too Japanese focused?

You wont find a more diverse and multicultural developer then Nintendo mate.

How are The Last of Us, Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, Madden, Gears of War, Halo, Grand Theft Auto, Batman, and God of War too Western focused?

Do you see a common theme here? They're all extremely bright, colorful, and Japanese in taste. Yes, they can be played and enjoyed by all cultures, but that's different than developing games that are specifically targeted at various cultures. If they were truly multi-cultural, we'd be seeing some of the titles I mentioned in their line-up. As for diversity, you listed 1 fighter, 1 racer, 1 RTS, 1 shooter, and 5 platformers. I can agree somewhat here, it's not a bad variety considering it comes all from one developer. But Nintendo being literally the ONLY developer, why do they need 5 platformers?? Where are the sports? Where are the cinematic games? Sci-fi? Realistic shooters? Games like Journey? Both the aesthetic and the types of games they make are hugely Japanese.

You tell me how they are. Name me a company more culturally diverse then Nintendo.

@mesome713: Did you not read my post? I gave you examples. Tell me how all the games I listed aren't Japanese.

@MirkoS77: Cause colors dont make a game culturally Japanese. Is Disney culturally Japanese also? But again, please name me a game developer more culturally diverse then Nintendo.

@mesome713: what a dumb question. You're trying to pit a single developer against a corporation that has multiple developmental houses under its roof and supports an entire system. Nintendo is laughably culture-centric in the software it creates considering that they are a multi-billion dollar, international company and have numerous developmental houses and are the sole provider for their platform. Platformers are very Japanese and so is the aesthetic Nintendo constantly resorts to. It's always quirky and looks very similar in style. The way something looks is part of its culture, look at art.

Tell me...

• where are the TLoUs and Uncharteds?
• where are the wrestling games?
• where are the Forzas and GTs?
• where are the CoDs, ACs, and GoWs?
• where are the Batmans?
• where are the football and soccer games?
• where are the GTAs?
• where are the Splinter Cells?
• where are the Tomb Raiders?
• where are the Witcher 3s?
• where are the Fallouts?
• where are the Battlefronts?

....and on and on.

Where are all these types of games from the most "culturally diverse" developer out there? You can't answer, because Nintendo doesn't offer them. As a developer, Nintendo's variety is respectable, but in terms of the cultural spectrum they are severely lacking. There's a good reason their install base is in decline and they have been becoming more and more niche. Since you ask me to name a developer that is more culturally diverse, hell, I'd pick Sony (even as paltry as their output is in comparison) which is sad. They create games that appeal to Western audiences such as Uncharted, TLoU and GT, and are also putting out FF VII and The Last Guardian, both of which appeal to the East. So there you go.

what do you mean marketed right? Nobody cares about cutesy Nintendo games anymore. Give me photorealistic graphics...give me a dark story....give me a dudebro "HELL YEAH"! Das wut I'm looking for...das it mane.

XposBone yes, ps4 No

A bad way to advertise your channel is to spam it everywhere, just saying.

It's too early to say until we know what it is they are launching regarding hardware, software and the price point.

Although considering how fast the PS4 has been selling I will be a hypocrite and say no.

Read http://www.cubed3.com/news/25149/1/will-the-nintendo-nx-chips-be-industry-leading-and-cutting-edge.html

Nintendo to use "industry leading and cutting edge" chip set for their NX console. This is different from Wii U's non-industry leading and cutting edge approach.

AMD's year 2016 "industry leading and cutting edge" GPU IP blocks would be Artic Islands.

I would say yes it would.

Lol no. Nintendo doesn't have the market share they used to, people buying the new system will be suckers like me who enjoy the unique games they offer. Until third party is onboard in a huge way Nintendo is never going to have a chance as a main system, only secondary to PC/PS4/Bone.

They would have to pull out all the stops, and make a hell of a run up a mountain to do that. The best predictor of future behavior is looking at past behavior, so I'm not going to hold my breath.

Well you see, it all depends on what the hell this thing is. Which, aside from rumors, we really don't know.

@MirkoS77 It's this type of bullshit that has completely ruined gaming. I mean seriously. It really pisses me off that all you fucking asshats think are "good games" are endless and recycled beige colored murder simulators where the only things happening of note are "hard men making hard choices." It's gets very fucking tiresome playing the same goddamn games every single fucking year with little to no diversity. And yet you people will fucking eat it up because you easily impressed by style over substance.

I'm sorry, but really, this generation of gamers is laughably the worst generation and you people are going to lead this industry over the goddamn cliff.

@empsolo: what are you talking about? Where have I ever said I don't enjoy Nintendo's games and diversity in general? I enjoy a wide spectrum that includes all tastes; that's precisely why it bothers me that Nintendo doesn't try their hands at something that would stand in stark contrast to their traditional offerings. It would not only help their diversity further, it would help them penetrate a market they have largely been refusing to address.

This conversation is about whether if Nintendo is culturally negligent in their products. I believe they are, as those games I listed are very Western-targeted and exemplify my point that Nintendo doesn't produce similar titles to appeal to that crowd. What I wrote is not indicative on my tastes. I do enjoy those games, yes, but I also enjoy Nintendo's, indies, mobile, and everything else except MMOs.

Personally, I think it's people that insist that all games should be like Nintendo's that are the real problem, but that's another argument. Please, understand what I'm saying before jumping the gun like that.

Assuming the speculation of 16nm chips and HBM are true, this system should have no problem outpacing the PS4. Nintendo has done this in the past with Wii. The real aspect that will set the system off as a hit though will be whatever new innovation they utilize. Nintendo does something vastly different every ten years in the gaming market. Next fall will be the 20th anniversary of the N64 launch and anyone that thinks Nintendo is just going to release a normal controller or a touchpad (again) is not paying attention.

I suspect a camera will be the center of the interface design. A new stereo camera like Sony's would allow augmented reality using head and gaze tracking (with a pair of glasses featuring internal cameras), new 3D tracking wands, and possibly a (Mario) game at launch which features full hand/finger tracking (while using a wand with an analog stick in the left hand).

That gimmick sounds truly awful.