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#1 Serraph105
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Would anybody actually care? It wouldnt be enough for me to hate a great game just cause I had to switch disks every few hours.

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#2 lundy86_4
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Why are all the MGS4 threads coming up?

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#3 Master-Thief-09
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Why does MGS4 take up so much BD space anyway? I could see it having no install, and being on one disc.
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#4 Serraph105
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Why are all the MGS4 threads coming up?

lundy86_4
well as for this one I was reading some of them and thought of this question so I thought I would make a thread. Besides its better than arguing over sales for a change.
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#5 Serraph105
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Why does MGS4 take up so much BD space anyway? I could see it having no install, and being on one disc.Master-Thief-09
all the audio files are uncompressed
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#6 moose_knuckler
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[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Why are all the MGS4 threads coming up?

well as for this one I was reading some of them and thought of this question so I thought I would make a thread. Besides its better than arguing over sales for a change.

Yea true but it's making me feel like there's something I don't know :(.
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#7 AAllxxjjnn
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Well, the 360 fans didn't have a problem with Lost Odyssey...personally i don't mind multiple discs that much, still a little inconvenient.
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#8 nuge004
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I already played it and I didn't mind the installs, gave me time to cool off from the intensity of the game, and I also don't mind if they did port the game to X360, everyone should experience this amazing game.
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#9 Serraph105
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[QUOTE="Serraph105"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Why are all the MGS4 threads coming up?

moose_knuckler
well as for this one I was reading some of them and thought of this question so I thought I would make a thread. Besides its better than arguing over sales for a change.

Yea true but it's making me feel like there's something I don't know :(.

relax system wars never knows anything
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#10 Lionheart08
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Why are all the MGS4 threads coming up?

lundy86_4

Because GDC is around the corner, and this seems to be the game most lems are looking forward to. :P

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#11 treedoor
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360 fans want the game, so I'd assume they wouldn't care if it had multiple disks. I don't think anyone really cares about multiple disk games.

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#12 foxhound_fox
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If it were ported to 360 and had multiple discs, 360 players would be better off because the 5 seconds it takes to swap a disc is a lot shorter than the few minutes it takes to do the mandatory install every chapter on PS3.

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Whoa, this is like the 4th MGS4 360 thread I've seen within 2 hours. TC, you know something we don't or what? Anyway, Yes cows would go crazy an you'd stop seeing MGS4 AAAAE> 360. Not to metion the Lemmins (spelling?) claiming onage around ever corner.

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360 fans want the game, so I'd assume they wouldn't care if it had multiple disks. I don't think anyone really cares about multiple disk games.

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You mean the very same fans that bashed it when itgot GotY and crushed their beloved Gears 2??

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#15 Serraph105
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[QUOTE="GreenGoblin2099"]

[QUOTE="treedoor"]

360 fans want the game, so I'd assume they wouldn't care if it had multiple disks. I don't think anyone really cares about multiple disk games.

You mean the very same fans that bashed it when itgot GotY and crushed their beloved Gears 2??

yeah........those people
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Why does MGS4 take up so much BD space anyway? I could see it having no install, and being on one disc.Master-Thief-09
all of the high quality audio and voice overs is the main reason i believe, remember its like 10hours worth of cutscenes and and 10+ gamplay
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#17 mojojojojojojoo
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metal gear solid on psx shipped on 2 or 3 disk.
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#18 treedoor
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[QUOTE="treedoor"]

360 fans want the game, so I'd assume they wouldn't care if it had multiple disks. I don't think anyone really cares about multiple disk games.

GreenGoblin2099

You mean the very same fans that bashed it when itgot GotY and crushed their beloved Gears 2??

No, I mean all the fans that say "If this game was on the 360 I'd buy it"

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#19 lawlessx
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whats with all the MGS4/360 threads today? :?
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metal gear solid on psx shipped on 2 or 3 disk.mojojojojojojoo

Two. I think Integral was three.

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Why does MGS4 take up so much BD space anyway? I could see it having no install, and being on one disc.Master-Thief-09

Since you don't have a PS3 nor own MGS4, I don't think you've done any research on the game to make a comment about that.

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Since you don't have a PS3 nor own MGS4, I don't think you've done any research on the game to make a comment about that.SolidTy

If they compressed all the audio data and removed all the bloat, they probably could fit it on one disc... given that many games this gen fit on one disc. Hell, Mass Effect is a 35-45 hour game with tons of dialogue and cutscenes and it fits on one disc.

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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]Since you don't have a PS3 nor own MGS4, I don't think you've done any research on the game to make a comment about that.foxhound_fox


If they compressed all the audio data and removed all the bloat, they probably could fit it on one disc... given that many games this gen fit on one disc. Hell, Mass Effect is a 35-45 hour game with tons of dialogue and cutscenes and it fits on one disc.

Hours of a games length don't mean a game's file size. There's plenty of short games on Blu-Ray as well.

Many games fit on DVD because they were designed for DVD.

ME was Designed for the DVD medium, so of course it would fit on it. Bioware knew what they were working with from day 1.

If I am painting a picture I know how big my mat is, I am not going to paint a picture that won't fit on the mat.

Kojima made MGS4 with Blu-Ray in mind, so much in fact that it's a dual layered Blu-Ray, although the Audio is large, to suggest that is the only reason the game is so large isn't accurate.

MGS4 wouldn't fit on one disk imo, even with the sound reduced to 5.1.

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If that means not having to install a chapter every damn time.Yeah sure.
I would prefer it then.

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I still have a difficult time understanding why cows make such a big deal over "IF" MGS4 went to the 360... it would not fit on one disk....It's not a sandbox game...so what's the big deal?

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#26 SolidTy
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If that means not having to install a chapter every damn time.Yeah sure.
I would prefer it then.

Lto_thaG

Just because it were ported wouldn't mean that there wouldn't be installs, or some other things. Just because it's on PS3 doesn't mean that the game automatically improves in performance because of a port.

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#27 Lto_thaG
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[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

If that means not having to install a chapter every damn time.Yeah sure.
I would prefer it then.

SolidTy

Just because it were ported wouldn't mean that there wouldn't be installs, or some other things. Just because it's on PS3 doesn't mean that the game automatically improves in performance because of a port.

Yeah,I know..That's why I said 'If that means not having to install every chapter' I would prefer it if it was like that.

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I already played it and I didn't mind the installs, gave me time to cool off from the intensity of the game, and I also don't mind if they did port the game to X360, everyone should experience this amazing game.nuge004

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#29 Trinners
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MGS4 on 360? :lol: Keep dreaming

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I wouldn't care. Basically, you'd trade act installs for disc swapping, and swapping a disc takes a lot less time than waiting ten minutes for an install.
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#31 Trinners
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I wouldn't care. Basically, you'd trade act installs for disc swapping, and swapping a disc takes a lot less time than waiting ten minutes for an install.DJ_Lae

act installs take 2 minutes, the initial install is 8 minutes. installs > disc swapping.

MGS4 won't come to 360, kojima is too arrogant to take out that blu-ray scene from the game.

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#32 Toriko42
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No, it's not like the PS3 version was simply put it in and play I recall multiple installs which took longer then an easy disc switch.
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[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]I wouldn't care. Basically, you'd trade act installs for disc swapping, and swapping a disc takes a lot less time than waiting ten minutes for an install.Trinners

act installs take 2 minutes, the initial install is 8 minutes. installs > disc swapping.

MGS4 won't come to 360, kojima is too arrogant to take out that blu-ray scene from the game.

I know its Kojimas work but he doesnt own the rights to it. Arrogant or not. But still I dont think its coming to the 360.. oh well.

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#34 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

If that means not having to install a chapter every damn time.Yeah sure.
I would prefer it then.

Lto_thaG

Just because it were ported wouldn't mean that there wouldn't be installs, or some other things. Just because it's on PS3 doesn't mean that the game automatically improves in performance because of a port.

Yeah,I know..That's why I said 'If that means not having to install every chapter' I would prefer it if it was like that.

Oh, gotcha. I just see a lot of assumptions about games here, that I was apart of the whole process, I guess. :)

I assumed that you assumed, lol.

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#35 Lto_thaG
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[QUOTE="Lto_thaG"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

Just because it were ported wouldn't mean that there wouldn't be installs, or some other things. Just because it's on PS3 doesn't mean that the game automatically improves in performance because of a port.

SolidTy

Yeah,I know..That's why I said 'If that means not having to install every chapter' I would prefer it if it was like that.

Oh, gotcha. I just see a lot of assumptions about games here, that I was apart of the whole process, I guess. :)

I assumed that you assumed, lol.

:P No problem
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#36 host0211
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it's funny I bet if it did end up on 360 lemmings would say it's an amazing game and you won't hear any Movie Gear Solid lol but MGS4 can't come to 360 the system just isn't capable due to disk space, sound and graphics.
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#37 iam2green
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no, i wouldn't care if that happened. i would be a bit happy if metal gear came out on the 360.
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#38 hyperkass
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Why dont we just give away Killzone 2?

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]Since you don't have a PS3 nor own MGS4, I don't think you've done any research on the game to make a comment about that.SolidTy


If they compressed all the audio data and removed all the bloat, they probably could fit it on one disc... given that many games this gen fit on one disc. Hell, Mass Effect is a 35-45 hour game with tons of dialogue and cutscenes and it fits on one disc.

Hours of a games length don't mean a game's file size. There's plenty of short games on Blu-Ray as well.

Many games fit on DVD because they were designed for DVD.

ME was Designed for the DVD medium, so of course it would fit on it. Bioware knew what they were working with from day 1.

If I am painting a picture I know how big my mat is, I am not going to paint a picture that won't fit on the mat.

Kojima made MGS4 with Blu-Ray in mind, so much in fact that it's a dual layered Blu-Ray, although the Audio is large, to suggest that is the only reason the game is so large isn't accurate.

MGS4 wouldn't fit on one disk imo, even with the sound reduced to 5.1.

and many of those games that are only a few hours long took up more then the equivalent of 2-3 DVD's. :| The inability of the PS3 to handle compressed files is the ONLY reason BR is needed for that system alone as far as gaming goes. If the PS3's disk drive was faster, compression could be used without adding obscene loading times. That's why you're seeing many games require installs now. The installed data is that which had previously been doubled up on the BR disc and thus requires less space on the BR disc and allows the PS3 to run games at the equivalent speed of the 360 counter parts. BTW...the audio portion of MGS4 equaled out to around 17GB of data. That's an insane amount of space to have dedicated to audio. Compress that down to 5.1 at a bitrate around 128kbps and the audio file size would be GREATLY reduced. What I still find funny is that while playing the actual game play portions of MGS4, I noticed that most of the background sounds were nothing more then 3-5 second clips looping continuously. :lol: So much for BR making it possible for a better gaming experience. :lol: I don't find a game impressive if something that you're going to hear for pretty much the extent of the whole level starts to get on your nerve.

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[QUOTE="Trinners"]

[QUOTE="DJ_Lae"]I wouldn't care. Basically, you'd trade act installs for disc swapping, and swapping a disc takes a lot less time than waiting ten minutes for an install.vaderhater

act installs take 2 minutes, the initial install is 8 minutes. installs > disc swapping.

MGS4 won't come to 360, kojima is too arrogant to take out that blu-ray scene from the game.

I know its Kojimas work but he doesnt own the rights to it. Arrogant or not. But still I dont think its coming to the 360.. oh well.

that's one thing that cows over look all the time. It's like saying that Ninja Gaiden 2 wouldn't come to the PS3 because Igataki was the lead on that project. It all comes down to money and as it's been shown with numerous titles this gen, exclusive rights doesn't always mean forever. FF13, NG2 are really just the start of this whole change in the market as far as heavy hitters go. I could care less about MGS4 seeing how I think the series as a whole is stale, boring and some of the worst written, over rated filth in the industry. I do however recall a press conference with Kojima and a Konami rep from just over a year ago. When asked about MGS4 coming to the 360, the Konami rep gave a sly answer of "we don't have any plans to bring Kojima's work to the 360.......yet". In the end it's not Kojimas choice. If Konami says it will happen, it will. No temper tantrum from Kojima would sway their decision.

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I still have a difficult time understanding why cows make such a big deal over "IF" MGS4 went to the 360... it would not fit on one disk....It's not a sandbox game...so what's the big deal?

masiisam

Because cows like to blow their games out of proportion.

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#42 Toriko42
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MGS4 on 360? :lol: Keep dreaming

Trinners

You do understand that's poking fun at the Playstation 1 because you had to switch discs at that exact moment in Metal Gear Solid 1?

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It would fit just fine on one DVD, mate.
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#44 SolidTy
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It would fit just fine on one DVD, mate.Stevo_the_gamer

Whether it came to 360 or not, I don't care, I played and loved it, BUT it wouldn't fit on one DVD....unless you want the game cut into 1/8.

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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]It would fit just fine on one DVD, mate.SolidTy

Whether it came to 360 or not, I don't care, I played and loved it, BUT it wouldn't fit on one DVD....unless you want the game cut into 1/8.

No, it would. Guarenteed. And even if by some crazy miracle you turned out to be right I'd take disc swapping over those annoying installs anyday.

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#46 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]It would fit just fine on one DVD, mate.CreepyBacon

Whether it came to 360 or not, I don't care, I played and loved it, BUT it wouldn't fit on one DVD....unless you want the game cut into 1/8.

No, it would. Guarenteed. And even if by some crazy miracle you turned out to be right I'd take disc swapping over those annoying installs anyday.

Assuming you wouldn't have to do both. 8)

Jokes...hmmm...

I got one :

I would take playing MGS4 : SoL in 2008 before waiting till 2009 for MGS4 : DWE (The Disk Swap Experience.) ;)

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What is faster, the mandatory installation on the PS3 since the disc read speed is too slow or switching a disc? ;)

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#48 SolidTy
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What is faster, the mandatory installation on the PS3 since the disc read speed is too slow or switching a disc? ;)

_Pinbot_

What is faster?

Waiting for an imaginary PORT, or playing the game back in June 2008? ;)

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[QUOTE="_Pinbot_"]

What is faster, the mandatory installation on the PS3 since the disc read speed is too slow or switching a disc? ;)

SolidTy

What is faster?

Waiting for an imaginary PORT, or playing the game back in June 2008? ;)

I played it the day of launch on my PS3 and wasn't very impressed at all. The gameplay was decent, but the story was very convoluted and the cutscenes were needlessly long. As a proud owner of a PS3 it saddens me when my brethren are attempting to bash the 360 by saying that the game will have to be on multiple discs IF it is ported. It makes the rest of us look bad since the majority are not creative enough to come up with a decent counter to most of the attacks.
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#50 SolidTy
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[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="_Pinbot_"]

What is faster, the mandatory installation on the PS3 since the disc read speed is too slow or switching a disc? ;)

_Pinbot_

What is faster?

Waiting for an imaginary PORT, or playing the game back in June 2008? ;)

I played it the day of launch on my PS3 and wasn't very impressed at all. The gameplay was decent, but the story was very convoluted and the cutscenes were needlessly long. As a proud owner of a PS3 it saddens me when my brethren are attempting to bash the 360 by saying that the game will have to be on multiple discs IF it is ported. It makes the rest of us look bad since the majority are not creative enough to come up with a decent counter to most of the attacks.

No one is going to like every game, eh.

The game is on a DUAL LAYER Blu. Do you know what that is?

One Blu-Ray Layer is 25gigs!

The 360 uses DVD9 (9gigs), HOWEVER, devs can only use about 7gigs since the rest of the disc is used by mandatory protection, etc.

Whether they transform the 7.1 audio to 5.1, and compress the hell out of it, they will still have 20gigs AT LEAST to contend with.

If this EVER happened, it would DEF. be on multiple discs. NOW, if you think that I care about Multiple Discs, I wouldn't. Who cares, but It would be on multiple discs.

The reason no one counters it, is because tomorrow, the SAME DAMN question will be asked again, and again, and again. Too many noobs, it's pointless to argue. It's easier to say, "No, it would be on multiple discs, C-Ya!" instad of arguing for the 1000th time.

Don't you think that MGS4's SIZE was discussed WELL BEFORE MGS4 came out? This arguement is literally from 2005!

Since you are a new poster, I will just assume you didn't know that, have a great morning regardless!

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