If MS were smart they would....

@clone01 said:

@casharmy said:

@i_p_daily said:

@daredevils2k:

How about you stop being stupid, because what goes around comes around, and it usually slaps you in the face.

132 comments and just about all of them have either lems, lemmings, flops, DOA and the like. Do you post anything of use on your main account?

And this discussion is about video games and consoles...seems he's smarter than the majority of posters here but I don't see you calling them out for being "stupid" when they post arguments that have nothing to do with the relevant discussion of the thread.

Maybe you need to take your own advice because, even tho he didn't spell it out you (would take just the slightest bit of common sense to figure out) He's making the point that MS isn't successful in the topic and area that is actually being discussed here......VIDEOGAME/CONSOLES!

@daredevils2k said:

@SecretPolice said:

If MS was smart they'd be one of the largest most successful and wealthiest companies on earth..... Oh wait. lol :P

You got a point, no wonder their phone dept flopped :(.

Yeah, "How about you stop being stupid." is some advice a lot of you would benefit from but instead of trying to tell it to other people you should try taking our own advise first.

Advice.

But I love being stupid, especially when lems getting all butt hurt is involved.

tl;dr

True but it's a forced change.The majority of gamers prefer next gen consoles. They should have just waited a few years.

TBH, it has quite a few, if you remove the usual fanboy shit. I'll still stand to my opinion that the MCC is my favourite game on the system.

@daredevils2k said:

@clone01 said:

@casharmy said:

@i_p_daily said:

@daredevils2k:

How about you stop being stupid, because what goes around comes around, and it usually slaps you in the face.

132 comments and just about all of them have either lems, lemmings, flops, DOA and the like. Do you post anything of use on your main account?

And this discussion is about video games and consoles...seems he's smarter than the majority of posters here but I don't see you calling them out for being "stupid" when they post arguments that have nothing to do with the relevant discussion of the thread.

Maybe you need to take your own advice because, even tho he didn't spell it out you (would take just the slightest bit of common sense to figure out) He's making the point that MS isn't successful in the topic and area that is actually being discussed here......VIDEOGAME/CONSOLES!

@daredevils2k said:

@SecretPolice said:

If MS was smart they'd be one of the largest most successful and wealthiest companies on earth..... Oh wait. lol :P

You got a point, no wonder their phone dept flopped :(.

Yeah, "How about you stop being stupid." is some advice a lot of you would benefit from but instead of trying to tell it to other people you should try taking our own advise first.

Advice.

But I love being stupid, especially when lems getting all butt hurt is involved.

Don't think there's any doubt that you love being stupid. You're quite good at it.

@clone01 said:

@daredevils2k said:

@clone01 said:

@casharmy said:

@i_p_daily said:

@daredevils2k:

How about you stop being stupid, because what goes around comes around, and it usually slaps you in the face.

132 comments and just about all of them have either lems, lemmings, flops, DOA and the like. Do you post anything of use on your main account?

And this discussion is about video games and consoles...seems he's smarter than the majority of posters here but I don't see you calling them out for being "stupid" when they post arguments that have nothing to do with the relevant discussion of the thread.

Maybe you need to take your own advice because, even tho he didn't spell it out you (would take just the slightest bit of common sense to figure out) He's making the point that MS isn't successful in the topic and area that is actually being discussed here......VIDEOGAME/CONSOLES!

@daredevils2k said:

You got a point, no wonder their phone dept flopped :(.

Yeah, "How about you stop being stupid." is some advice a lot of you would benefit from but instead of trying to tell it to other people you should try taking our own advise first.

Advice.

But I love being stupid, especially when lems getting all butt hurt is involved.

Don't think there's any doubt that you love being stupid. You're quite good at it.

Thanks buddy.

Me take your comments to heart? wow you need to sharpen up on your comprehension skills as their a little lacking right now :(

You know I was thinking, and I must say you're right. I didn't add anything to this thread that proved why MS isn't as smart as you lemmings believe. So I decided to add my real thoughts why I don't find MS smart at all.

Do you remember when the xb1 was announced and how MS got all the lemmings so excited about this thing called the Cloud and how it was going to change how we see the console world. Lemmings were running around on these boards like rabid wolves, chanting how their console of choice was going to have the power of SIX XBOXS!!!! man those were the days, because us COWS told you all it was just a marketing ploy, but since you Lemmings love living a delusional world, and didn't want to live in reality. Well 3 years later and we still haven't seen your precious xbox having the power of SIX XBOX, but hey you lemmings probably have an answer why MS hasn't unleashed the power of the clouds just yet. But hey it just proves that MS isn't as smart as you guys tout them to be.

Remember 120fps and 4D?

Nintendo is the one company that NEEDS to go 3rd party at least on home consoles because Nintendo isn't willing to make a major investment in Hardware. Then Nintendo could focus on portable and releasing their games across all platforms while taking advantage of much better hardware than what they could deliver. In return their games could go from selling a mere 10 million copies to GTA levels of 40 million copies. Nintendo could end up making more money than before.....

LOL yah, that was pretty funny. Those were the days that I was a die hard Lemming. I still laugh when I hear about the 4d that

Kutaragi stated lol. It's funny thinking about it now, but I would never thought I would become a cow. I guess I should thank MS for f#&!ing up lol

Didn't read but I bet Cowangey was DC for PS!4K and somewhere in their hoped how PS5 in the following years will squash any advantage Scorpio has.

Again reading comprehension. I never said MS was smart, i never said anything about the cloud, or any of the other stuff you're talking about, and yet i'm living in a delusional world lol.

I simply asked you why one would waste so much time to create a new account and talk nothing but pure garbage from it.

I get that we all troll on here from time to time, but is your life that boring and lonely that you need to troll these forums all the time for attention?

And yet they take in 3 billion/year due to owning cell phone patents. LOL

LOL they never reported a loss for Windows Vista. Money keeps rolling in.

Forgot PSP Go, Sony cell phones as well, Dork Knight.

I guess you failed to read my post. You stated that I never add anything to this post, but when I did, you completely ignored it and just post some rambling about what you didn't say etc. Also i never stated that you said that MS was smart, I was quoting the original person who said they were. Question is why does my opinion bother you so much, that you must keep replying to my post? I find it entertaiing tto see you see get all defensive and start posting some righteous nonsense, that I honestly think that you feel you're some kind of Robin Hood of the internet. Anyways Happy Thanksgiving. :)

@daredevils2k: MS isn't as smart as youlemmings believe.

So where did i say MS was smart? because the only way you could come up with me thinking MS is smart is by me saying it, which i didn't. See what happens when you lump people together, you make an arse of yourself.

Internet Police, Robin Hood lol, you crack me up keep'em coming.

So in the end by not answering my question, you have answered it. Have a nice day :)

No...that just proves how stupid most xbox fanboys in general are.

The responses to this thread are more proof as to their lack of reasoning and intelligence since the vast majority of the posts show they can only post fanboy drivel or are too dimwitted to understand a constructive assessment of MS plans vs blind bashing.

There are like 2 replies from xbox fans here that aren't complete idiotic meltdowns. Morons who can't constructively look at their primary game company's plans and give an honest assessment of whether they believe the direction they are moving is the best approach or not deserve don't even deserve to have a successful platform.

Obviously these clowns would take and defend anything MS says and praise it as the best thing ever even it ended up being a complete lie or an idea or platform that that was completely abandon or failed...you elegantly pointed out THE CLOUD! That is one prime example this gen but there was also The $500 kinect required xbone (lie!), Direct X 12 that lems were hyping to "close the gap" between PS4 and xbone ect.

All the lies, bad moves and out right abandon failures by MS this gen and lems still refuse to question any plans or objectives they have going forward? lems are truly a brain dead group which is actually prefect fit for MS, so it's no surprise to see the kind of nuclear meltdown responses from these fanboys to someone simply asking if MS is making the right move on how to handle an upcoming device.

Okay Judge Dredd, its obvious you didn't read my post correctly. I never said you stated that MS was smart. what i said was, i was replying to a lemming who stated they were.
But once again, reading isn't something you're good at and its okay. I know a lot of people who have reading problems that are very successful people and maybe one day you can join the ranks. Until then good luck :)

That my friend was an awesome and I agree with every word. There are time when sony does something stupid and I'm vocal about it, but I guess lems just love being morons.

So Cash Army you are going to pretend MS didn't get rid of the dumb management responsible for the Xbox One launch debacle??

Steve Ballmer and Dan Mattrick are long gone and the Xbox division is much better for it. In fact Phil Spencer has been hitting home runs all over the place since he took over.

@Blazed:

I can't see how anyone could think mid gen incremental upgrades are a negative. You would really have to be Closed Minded to believe so.

For people who purchased their launch consoles they still get all the same games. You don't have to purchase the Mid Gen upgrade to play the games. For people who don't mind spending the extra money for a better experience they get updated hardware. It's literally in every possible way a Win Win situation for everyone. Also the fact that every future Xbox Console will be fully backwards compatible and forwards compatible means every console has an instant library of games.

How could anyone paint this in a negative light??

1. By the time Scorpio launches we'll be a year away from next gen.

2. The hardware is under utilized.

3. Third Party developers aren't a 100% on board.

4. NO ONE asked for Pro or Scorpio. Gamers wanted 1080p/60 standard

@Blazed:

What makes you think PS5 or Xbox Two are releasing in 2018?

You are way off if you believe that. I expect 1 of PS5 or XB Two right around 2020 and I'm willing to bet nothing will release before 2019 at the very earliest. Going by last gen which was an 8 year cycle XB going from an 8 year cycle to a 4 year mid gen cycle we should be seeing PS5/XB Two around 2020 or 2021. Even going by the 3 year mid gen refresh by Sony that would put you around 2019 at the earliest which is probably unlikely unless Scorpio starts to outpace PS4.

This is assuming the Scorpio will be much more capable when we still don't know the specs, the CPU could suck like the PS4 pro.

Scorpio is too weak to lead a new console generation with its hardware as currently projected.

MS know this, so have touted it as an extension to the XBox One family.

The new generation of Xbox Two should have GPU power of at least 9 to 11 TERAFLOPS for 4K gaming to run smoothly and without those nasty frame dips

if you care so much about ditching inferior hardware, why not just become a PC gamer?

Seriously, it's anti-consumer to ditch the xbone now. It will create massive resentment in their broader fanbase and only please their ardent fans.

Do you remember when PS2 was announced when Sony said it was capable of Toy Story level graphics and was 20 X more powerful than Dreamcast?

Turned out after launch Dreamcast had better IQ in it's games than PS2.

Remember when Sony announced PS3 and said the Cell was as fast as Supercomputers and would connect with other electronics to increase performance? Sony even said they wouldn't need a GPU in the PS3.

Turned out Sony had to stick an Nvidia GPU in it and it was still slower in many ways to the 1 year older 360.

All these companies hype their machines it's up to the consumer to separate the hyperbole from the facts.

Nope I was a heavy PC gamer worrying about getting the Geforce 3 card, but I do remember MS announcing the XBOX OG as the PC killer, but we all saw how that turned out to be.

Let me address each one of your arguments:

1) Exclusives [being limited by the power of the Xbox One]

Why are you pretending that these mid-generation consoles are anything more than spec upgrades meant to boost performance in resolution and/or framerates?.. A developer can still make a game that runs at upscaled 1080p on Xbox One and have that same game run at native 4K on Project Scorpio.. This is no different than a developer making a game that runs at native 1080p on PS4 but can run at upscaled 4K on PS4 Pro.. The main difference being that fans of the Xbox ecosystem will have a higher spec'd console choice when Project Scorpio releases.. I mean, please explain to me how Red Dead Redemption 2 potentially running at native 4K on Project Scorpio and potentially running at upscaled 4K on PS4 Pro is being "held back" by the Xbox One version?.. Your argument is baseless.. plain and simple..

2) No development Incentive

Your argument hinges on the idea that developers have no incentive to put in the extra effort to make games look and perform better on Project Scorpio (while ignoring the fact that the same logic could be applied to PS4 and PS4 Pro).. Well these quotes completely debunk that argument:

"The Coalition has previously confirmed that Gears of War 4 is ready to run at a 4K resolution on Project Scorpio. This is because Project Scorpio can run 4K Windows 10 Store Universal Windows Platform (UWP) games natively. If you've played Gears of War 4, Forza Horizon 3 or Rise of the Tomb Raider at a 4K resolution on a high-end PC, you already have an idea of how gorgeous games will look on Project Scorpio."

"Our source told us that any game programmed natively for UWP on Windows 10 will run on Project Scorpio with a trivial amount of changes. This has always been Microsoft's vision for UWP"

"Effectively, the Xbox team have streamlined development across Windows 10 Store PC, Xbox Scorpio and Xbox One, allowing developers to easily and efficiently deliver a game for all three endpoints in a single package."

"So, what does all of this mean? If developers are making games for Project Scorpio, they are already making games for the Windows 10 Store and vice versa. Native third-party UWP Windows 10 Store games such as upcoming titles like GWENT: The Witcher Card Game, Cuphead and Everspace will be 4K Scorpio-ready purely as a result of being developed for PC."

SOURCE: http://www.windowscentral.com/project-scorpio

So, there you have it.. Thanks to the nature of UWP and Windows 10, there is virtually no extra effort required to support higher resolutions and framerates for Project Scorpio games.. The argument can actually be made that, by comparison to the Xbox One and Project Scorpio, it would require more effort to support higher resolutions and framerates for PS4 Pro games (as evidenced by some early releases performing worse on the Pro versus the regular PS4).. So again, your argument falls flat..

3) Playing by Sony's playbook and not understanding the objective

Ironically, your "biggest point" shows how little you understand Microsoft's strategy.. They aren't following Sony's playbook, they're actually playing by a completely different set of rules and goals.. "Xbox as a service" is their goal.. They don't want to be confined to traditional ideals of generations and the console hardware associated with those ideals.. They want "Xbox gaming" to exists across multiple machines of varying degrees of power, affordability, capabilities, and form factors.. So that no matter if you're a casual gamer who only needs an entry-level console, a hardcore gamer with a 4K television who wants a premium console, a PC-only gamer, or a gamer that buys and owns everything, with "Xbox Play Anywhere" Microsoft can bring their games and their online service to you no matter where you prefer to play..

While Sony is trying to ride the finite and relatively short-term success of the PS4, Microsoft is looking at the long-term success of Windows 10.. Services, ecosystems, digital distribution, streaming.. these things are the future.. and with a universal platform based on Windows 10, UWP, and Xbox Live, Microsoft is in the much better position to take advantage of that future.. A future where your gaming isn't tied to a single device but follows you wherever you decide to log-in at that moment.. "Xbox as a service" is their playbook and again, your argument is totally off base..

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Is that why MS continued to support PC gaming during the entire OG Xbox gen??

Makes sense support the platform so that it can die faster........

"Makes sense support the platform so that it can die faster" LOL I know right. the pc gamer world laughed at such stupid claims that MS made during the time of xbox OG announcement. THey didnt understand why us pc gamers didn't take them seriously. Talk about MS being morons lol